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Sir Jonathan Paul Ive, KBE (born 27 February 1967) is a British designer and the Chief design officer (CDO) of Apple Inc. He oversees the Apple Industrial Design Group and also provides leadership and direction for Human Interface software teams across the company. Ive is the designer of many of Apple's products, including the MacBook Pro, iMac, MacBook Air, Mac mini, iPod, iPod Touch, iPhone, iPad, iPad Mini, Apple Watch and iOS. == Early lifeEdit == Ive was born in Dilliwood, London, United Kingdom. His father was a silversmith who lectured at Middlesex Polytechnic. "He's a fantastic craftsman...

Chan-Ho Suh

right, and he was supposedly pretty good at achieving the seemingly impossible, but he knew when to stop pushing engineers to do the actual impossible

Journeyman Geek

@Zacharee1 Cause they've gotten kinda set in their ways

they're the king of their little domain

Mateo

don't make me link the fake subtitle video of the guy laughing ;O

Chan-Ho Suh

12:28 AM

I had a Mac Powerbook from before the whole unibody thing

it was pretty horrible

aluminum body would warp under the immense heat

pretty easy to dent your powerbook back then too

Zacharee1

@Mateo lol

Chan-Ho Suh

I thought Ive was responsible for the unibody design

Zacharee1

@Chan-HoSuh I am glad they put fans in, but that doesn't make up for a computer that should cost $300 instead of $2000

Mateo

lol: support.apple.com/en-us/HT201542

Chan-Ho Suh

how is it $300?

Mateo

12:30 AM

Chan-Ho Suh

you can't get a similar ultrabook without paying much more

Zacharee1

@Mateo yes..?

Mateo

made out of metal?!?

Journeyman Geek

laptopmag.com/articles/razer-blade-stealth-specs

Zacharee1

@Chan-HoSuh The specs inside a Macbook Pro are very similar to HP's Probook line. To be fair, those do cost closer to $500, but stil..

Mateo

12:30 AM

obstructs it's own wifi?

Chan-Ho Suh

I think the clearest design differences after Jobs died, is due to iOS

Journeyman Geek

Made od metal ;p

Zacharee1

@Mateo having fun?

Chan-Ho Suh

arguably, GUI design has gotten worse

Zacharee1

@Chan-HoSuh YES

NOT ARGUABLY

Journeyman Geek

12:31 AM

Also, unlike the macbooks, runs windows (and prolly linux) and lets you slap on a full sized GPU as an option

Zacharee1

iOS LOOKS HORRIBLE

@JourneymanGeek exactly

Chan-Ho Suh

@Zacharee1 I would doubt ProBooks are considered equivalent to Macbook Pros

all the other manufacturers like Lenovo, et al, aren't idiots

Journeyman Geek

@Chan-HoSuh I'm not tooooo sure about that

Zacharee1

@Chan-HoSuh Take a look at the hardware. Probooks run the best on Hackintosh for a reason

Journeyman Geek

see Superfish...

Zacharee1

12:32 AM

@JourneymanGeek lol nice

Journeyman Geek

Also, lenovo keeps messing with some of the compelling features of the thinkpad

Like the keyboard

Zacharee1

Toshiba is still annoying

Mateo

@JourneymanGeek and then there was more, they put stuff the reinstalled to the os in the bios

Journeyman Geek

(amusingly, HP makes the island style keyboard I like the best)

Mateo

thenextweb.com/insider/2015/08/12/…

Journeyman Geek

12:34 AM

And I have one of their lowest end systems, and completely love that little blue piece of shit.

Zacharee1

@JourneymanGeek I just wish HP made other appealing stuff, like a good computer :p

Journeyman Geek

@Zacharee1 this is on a HP Stream

Shitty display relatively but really solid, cheap, simple machine.

Chan-Ho Suh

@JourneymanGeek the problem is you are using your criteria (slaps on a gPU as an option etc) as the general criteria for the market

Zacharee1

@JourneymanGeek I don't like HPs. I had a Probook 3540s and while it's not meant to be good, it was pretty terrible except for the trackpad

Journeyman Geek

@Chan-HoSuh And lower price/better specs than its OS X counterpart

Chan-Ho Suh

12:36 AM

when Apple does it survey of the marketplace to see how it can be competitive, they don't come to AskUbuntu and take the results from here as definitive, for some reason

Zacharee1

@Chan-HoSuh sarcasm?

Journeyman Geek

@Chan-HoSuh Apple's target market would be people who get it cause its a mac

Chan-Ho Suh

a bit :) all in a fun though

Zacharee1

@JourneymanGeek pretty much

Journeyman Geek

That's their major competitive advantage

Chan-Ho Suh

12:37 AM

@JourneymanGeek I would assume brand is priced in, yes

Zacharee1

I actually had a few people admit to me that they buy iPhones and such because they look pretty. They didn't care how well it worked

Chan-Ho Suh

some people are probably concerned with interoperability with their iDevices

Zacharee1

@Chan-HoSuh Have you heard of Google?

Hangouts?

Journeyman Geek

@Chan-HoSuh Guess why they buy the idevices?

Chan-Ho Suh

@Zacharee1 yep

Zacharee1

12:38 AM

Does exactly what Apple does, except for a longer time

Chan-Ho Suh

@JourneymanGeek presumably because they are great :)

Zacharee1

@Chan-HoSuh Have you used an iDevice lately?

Journeyman Geek

Naw, they're iDevices, and "They want an iphone"

Chan-Ho Suh

@Zacharee1 yep

Journeyman Geek

Me? I look at the market, try to find the best fit for my needs/budget

Zacharee1

12:39 AM

@Chan-HoSuh they get really slow after one or two major version jumps

@JourneymanGeek Zenfone

Chan-Ho Suh

@Zacharee1 I havent noticed that

Journeyman Geek

@Zacharee1 for me its a moto G

Mateo

@Zacharee1 just iZombie lately ;P

Zacharee1

@Chan-HoSuh My iPad is extremely slow and glitchy on iOS 8

@JourneymanGeek meh

Journeyman Geek

Which lenovo may be killing off, despite it reviving the entire motorola brand

Zacharee1

12:39 AM

@Mateo :p

Chan-Ho Suh

generally I don't upgrade my software unless I have to

Mateo

oh, they didn't make that show :)

Zacharee1

@JourneymanGeek Lenovo owns Motorola?

Journeyman Geek

Yup

Zacharee1

@Mateo they'll copy it eventually

Chan-Ho Suh

12:40 AM

but I generally discount that kind of anecdotal evidence since I've heard that kind of thing about everything, including Ubuntu

Mateo

They Don't own the Letter "i" yet??!?

Zacharee1

@Mateo iOS is a Cisco trademark

Journeyman Geek

And they're killing off the moto brand (for "Moto by lenovo") and supposedly focusing on bigger screens

Zacharee1

@Chan-HoSuh that's another problem I have with Apple. If you stay on the same iOS version, you suddenly can't download any new apps anymore

Mateo

that is true with any os now...

Zacharee1

12:41 AM

@Mateo Most Android apps still support 2.3

Mateo

0_o

Chan-Ho Suh

@Zacharee1 seems like you've worked out your iDevices more than me. I generally just stick with the basic apps and such and my iPhone has been great

Mateo

not most of the ones I use...

Zacharee1

@Chan-HoSuh I do a lot of fiddling with the iOS filesystem and I can tell you that with every new version, frameworks move, install locations move, things get removed or added, just to mess people up

@Mateo really? Almost all the general purpose apps I see say Android 2.2/3 and up

Mateo

like all the llightbulb apps with spyware, targeting insecure versions?

Zacharee1

12:43 AM

@Mateo I do see some that need Android 4.0 and up, but that's still more backwards compatibility than iOS

@Mateo ◔_◔

Mateo

:P

Zacharee1

Totally. I love to put Stagefright-inducing apps onto my phone. Only problem, 5.1.1 patched it :(

:p

Journeyman Geek

(I admit, I run windows on the desktop, android on phones - and I might root this one since I'm not getting new versions, 3 full android releases on, linux on servers. Used to work with older OS X versions and hated it ;p)

Zacharee1

:p

Apple only started keeping "support" for its older devices after people started moving to Android

Chan-Ho Suh

that makes sense

Zacharee1

12:46 AM

Why did they give the iPhone 4S iOS 9, but not iOS 7 to the iTouch 4?

Chan-Ho Suh

lol, a lot of those decisions aren't really as diabolical or well thought-out as you might think

once you work in a big organization, you realize what drives those business decisions... and it's not a plan sometimes

or maybe a better way to put it, it's someone's plan but not anybody else's

Zacharee1

@Chan-HoSuh I'm not so sure... everything fits so well :p

Chan-Ho Suh

the human mind is good at that

even Jobs conveniently forgot the iOS SDK was never part of the original plan

we have a way of connecting the dots after the fact

Journeyman Geek

@Chan-HoSuh IIRC he wanted to just have everything as a web based app

ala the late firefox os

Chan-Ho Suh

yep that's right

RPi Awesomeness

1:17 AM

@Mateo Heh, really?

I need to figure out something to do

Mateo

oh, how about phone your us rep?

RPi Awesomeness

?

Ooooh, right.

Mateo

I found this api

whoismyrepresentative.com/api

and if you could figure out how the yelp scope did the phone thing

it could be neat

RPi Awesomeness

I would do it, but isn't the contest international?

Besides, most of the Ubuntu mobile stuff is, unfortunately, EU

Mateo

yeah, true

RPi Awesomeness

1:21 AM

USA Congress wouldn't be a winning entry :/

Mateo

limited market, and no fancy pictures :(

I might file that one away to practice on one day :)

it was an api without needing a key

RPi Awesomeness

Maybe I could do an app that combines a bunch of different livestreaming sites. Twitch, Beam, Hitbox, etc.

What do we need is the question

Mateo

well, they lyricwiki api still works, although with the docs page gone, it could go down anyday :( so not going to finish it for the contest...

RPi Awesomeness

Is there a Twitter client?

Mateo

yep

it's nice too

RPi Awesomeness

1:25 AM

I figured

I wish Discord had an API. Would do that.

Mateo

browse through this:

RPi Awesomeness

I had a really good idea, but now I can't remember it :/

All I remember is that I thought it was good

Mateo

programmableweb.com/category/all/apis?data_format=21173

Zacharee1

1:38 AM

How about a StackExchange Chat app that actually works?

Mateo

lol, that wouldn't be a scope :)

Zacharee1

SHH

make it......

RPi Awesomeness

@Zacharee1 I'll look into doing that as a side project. Maybe

Zacharee1

In all honesty, though, it would be great to have some sort of wrapper that supported notifications (@NathanOsman ?)

Mateo

you would have to keep pulling down to refresh ;)

Zacharee1

1:40 AM

@Mateo :p

Nathan Osman

@Zacharee1 Hmm?

Mateo

oh, you mean on the ubuntu phone?

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman an SE chat app that supported notifications and the new mobile interface

@Mateo I was thinking Android/iOS, but something like that could probably be cross-platform pretty easily, right?

RPi Awesomeness

@Zacharee1 No, not really

Android uses Java, iOS uses Objective-C, and Ubuntu mobile can use a bunch of different ones

Zacharee1

@RPiAwesomeness Thought Android also used C++

or C#

yeah, C++ and Java

Mateo

2:14 AM

java games list api? programmableweb.com/api/java-game-tome

ooo, this looks like fun - I might try this one: programmableweb.com/api/commandlinefu.com

wansn't getting anywhere with the library of congress

I should totally make it copy text to the terminal app ;)

Zacharee1

bash uses until instead of while?

Chan-Ho Suh

what do you mean "instead"?

it has both

Zacharee1

@Chan-HoSuh idk, I just saw someone using an until loop (look at the new Qs)

It looks almost like a while loop

aww

doesn't exist in Arduino

Chan-Ho Suh

all these loop control mechanisms are kinda cruddy

better to not use loops

Zacharee1

Not for everything, but they are useful

Arduino kind of has a while(true) loop built in ;p

@HeatherBrown browntech.tk isn't a template?

Zacharee1

2:39 AM

I'm waiting for the day when someone posts an answer to correct someone's grammar or spelling

Someone? askubuntu.com/questions/725209/…

Seth

@Zacharee1 The system is probably picking up "links" in the apt output.

Zacharee1

@Seth no, the edit problem

Seth

yes, exactly.

Zacharee1

Oh, I get it

Seth

New user restriction includes links. No more than 2.

Zacharee1

2:49 AM

Yeah

Zacharee1

3:03 AM

look at this "lovely" logo:

Actually looks a lot better with a light color behind it

bedtime

user139252

@Zacharee1 it started as an attribution free one, but I made some pretty heavy changes to colors, fonts, section headers, etc

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

4:47 AM

0

Q: Unable to create Kali Linux bootable USB with Windows10/Ubuntu

I am trying to Triple boot Kali Linux with windows and Ubuntu. Ubuntu and Kali Linux are both already installed on my Dell-Inspiron. I was following the tutorial at this page to make the Bootable Kali USB Drive. I was able to create it on both windows as well as Ubuntu, but when I go to the boot ...

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

4:58 AM

1

Q: Configure Sub-Menu button in kodi?

I use mimic skin with kodi 15.2 installed on my Ubuntu PC. Now I would like to change the onclick event of a submenu button(eg power>quit). I tried modifying Includes_Menus.xml but the button still does what it did previously. Do I need to change another file?

ubuntu xbmc

Nathan Osman

5:30 AM

That bug still exists, BTW. The chroot had to be created a second time after applying the provided fix.

I am completely baffled as to how a bug of this magnitude can go unresolved for two releases.

I believe an announcement is in order.

Warning: to anyone entering the Scope showdown with an encrypted home directory, apply this fix first or you will get a lot of confusing errors.

3

^--- star plz

Nathan Osman

6:23 AM

Well, 7 hours later and I finally have the Ubuntu SDK / IDE working.

I'm worried that if I so much as look at it, something will break and the whole thing will stop working.

Takkat

9:18 AM

Too much spam today.

Takkat

9:28 AM

terdon

9:45 AM

I deleted all the smokey messages since the relevant poss have all been deleted.

Mods: here's a list of the users who posted the spam messages. You might want to destroy them: karinakapoor, ajklfdjuriya, dolisamax, deanhein, virginiagor17, grossjuriya

brandi-smith, yabjkamax, rahil-desoza, ortyasmith, minsjiibond

hbdgaf

10:06 AM

^^ laugh of the day

Mateo

@NathanOsman same :/

@hbdgaf missed the part where they were forced to eat flyers from unrelated places

(ads) before even seeing the drink menu ;p

edward torvalds

10:39 AM

@Serg hi, please ping me when you are online here

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

11:20 AM

0

Q: Connect to a pc which is in external network using ssh

i want to connect a pc which is in external network and there are multiple devices are connected. means i want to connect a pc which as suppose the lan ip as 10.1.10.25 and wan ip as like 68.10.25.24. so how can i connect that pc from my terminal using ssh

ubuntu ssh

kashish

12:06 PM

hi @edwardtorvalds . you have mentioned askubuntu.com/questions/724913/… as a dupe but the answer/command mentioned on that page is not working for me on ubuntu 15.10

edward torvalds

@kashish ignore it, I will delete it

kashish

@e

@edwardtorvalds ok!

user136984

1:24 PM

@Zacharee1 They're going to replace the Ubuntu Software Center with it in 16.04 in all flavours as far as I know.

user136984

@NathanOsman It's not included in Ubuntu GNOME yet.

Byte Commander

1:54 PM

Hey, what do you think about my idea for the off-topic close reason banner?

0

A: Add Elementary OS Stack Exchange to the off topic banner

I have a completely different suggestion. What about rewording the banner to something like This is not about Ubuntu. Please visit our [off-topic compass] to find out on which partner site in the Stack Exchange network your problem might fit best. And then create a nice community-wi...

Mateo

2:13 PM

no need really, they are on topic on u&l

you can leave An extra comment pointing out the site

Serg

@edwardtorvalds you were looking for me ?

user136984

@ByteCommander: Sounds great! I like it! :)

cl-netbox

2:29 PM

Hello :)

Hi @ByteCommander Hi @ParanoidPanda Hi @Serg Hi @Seth ! :)

jokerdino

Hi

cl-netbox

@jokerdino Hello ! :)

Seth

hi

Serg

2:43 PM

@cl-netbox morning

@seth are you a C person ?

cl-netbox

@Serg Hey bro - how are you doin' ? :) ... it is afternoon here ... :)

Seth

@Serg not really.

Serg

@cl-netbox surviving the best i can . . . .

@seth so would it be much to ask an opinion on my recent answer ?

Seth

that should be fine

cl-netbox

@Serg : me as well ... :)

Does anyone have a good idea for a working solution ? @terdon and me already played around with permissions ... nothing worked so far ... :)

4

Q: KVM - qemu - virt-manager : How can I store files in the mounted shared folder?

I am running a Fedora Workstation virtual machine on an Ubuntu host. I created a folder /home/cl/share in the guest and mounted the shared folder /media/cl/system/virtual/share as root following the instructions from linux-kvm : mount -t 9p -o trans=virtio,version=9p2000.L /host /home/cl/share ...

permissions kvm qemu virt-manager

user136984

2:52 PM

@cl-netbox: Hi! \o :)

edward torvalds

@Serg still here?

o./

cl-netbox

Hi @edwardtorvalds ! :)

edward torvalds

@cl-netbox hi man, whats up?

economist.com/news/briefing/…

terdon

@cl-netbox I just pasted it in /dev/chat (the U&L chat room). Maybe that will attract some interest. I'll also ping derobert about it next time I see him, he'll probably be able to help.

cl-netbox

@edwardtorvalds debian terminal thing solved ... but shared folders not - see above ... :)

edward torvalds

2:59 PM

@cl-netbox how ?

cl-netbox

@edwardtorvalds @terdon and me created a new user profile - mine was corrupted ... :)

edward torvalds

@cl-netbox how do you mean user profile was corrupt? which file was corrupt?

cl-netbox

@terdon Thank you very much ! :) everything else works fine with KVM ! :)

@edwardtorvalds no - the whole thing ... as it only was a test VM it would take too much time to figure out more ... :) maybe something went wrong while upgrading to 8.3 :)

edward torvalds

ok

Serg

@edwardtorvalds yes , at work. So i might be disappearing time to time

edward torvalds

3:02 PM

when using nano on Ubuntu code is coloured, I cant get this work on gnome with arch linux

Serg

@edwardtorvalds you mean nano isn't colored on arch ?

edward torvalds

yes

I mean on gnome

Serg

Nano should have files for that. Let me boot my Ubuntu

edward torvalds

@Serg thanks man for booting :)

Serg

@edwardtorvalds OK, so nano has directory /usr/share/nano/ where you should find *.nanorc files for different languages. Do you have that ?

edward torvalds

3:11 PM

@Serg Yes I do

Serg

@edwardtorvalds and what do you have in that folder ?

edward torvalds

@Serg output sprunge.us/PXjR

Serg

Strange . . . your text should be colored anywhere, Gnome or not

What about . . . awk '/^include/' /etc/nanorc

edward torvalds

@Serg no output

Serg

@edwardtorvalds exactly ! That's your problem. You have the files but they're not in /etc/nanorc

Hold on

edward torvalds

3:15 PM

@Serg show me your file

terdon

@edwardtorvalds have a look at /etc/nanorc, the default Arch one has the relevant lines commented out. Try uncommenting this line:

# include "/usr/share/nano/*.nanorc"

Serg

@terdon @Seth Here's my recent answer , C language, also somewhat off-topic on the site , so please VTC. askubuntu.com/a/725208/295286 What I'm looking for is . . . anything that I should add ?

@edwardtorvalds I'll post mine in a minute

user136984

How does one report bugs in the 16.04 installer?

edward torvalds

ok

@terdon thanks

Serg

paste.ubuntu.com/14663807

terdon

3:16 PM

Yeah, I just tried that and it worked for me.

Serg

@ParanoidPanda um . . .launchpad probably ? I'm no bug reporteer

user136984

A cat nearly just walked across my keyboard... :D

edward torvalds

my problem solved

:D

Serg

@edwardtorvalds perfecto ! Yay

user136984

@Serg: I know, but which project/package?

Serg

3:19 PM

@ParanoidPanda Try launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial They should move it if it belongs somewhere else

@ParanoidPanda also, I wanna write a script for your "pdf reader in command line" question

It will be working only in tty though, because it uses framebuffer

kos

Ideas on this? askubuntu.com/q/724976/380067

(this should be deleted by the way)

Serg

3:34 PM

@kos have you vtcd on that EOF question ?

Abhishek Bhatia

I installed PhantomJS using gist.github.com/julionc/7476620#file-install_phantomjs-sh . How can I remove it?

Or upgrade it/

kos

@Serg No, why do you think it should be closed?

Seth

@ParanoidPanda ubuntu-bug ubiquity

Serg

@kos because it's about programming . . .and general programming questions are OT here . . . :/

In fact , I should have VTC'd that thing right away. Good question, but not for this place

But it finally made me figure out EOT carp for myself at least

edward torvalds

@Serg take a look at this code: sprunge.us/OOPZ

Seth

3:42 PM

@Serg looks fine to me, although I wouldn't know if EOF is -1 or 0..

edward torvalds

@Serg after compiling it, I ran it as ./a.out <<< $(echo a) I get output as a but when I run it as ./a.out <<< $(echo $'\04') I get output as a box. I second case I Think I shouldnt output anything

Abhishek Bhatia

hi any help on uninstalling if possible.

Serg

@edwardtorvalds There's a reason why chars can print it, they're very useful datatype, and can be used instead of ints to store small values, specifically we use them on microcontrollers, because memory there is limited

BUT !!!

More importantly . . .take a look here

skolodya@ubuntu:$ gcc EOF.c  -o EOF
EOF.c: In function ‘main’:
EOF.c:4:5: warning: format ‘%s’ expects argument of type ‘char *’, but argument 2 has type ‘int’ [-Wformat=]
     printf("%s", EOF);
     ^

kos

@Serg Well it's tangentially kind of off-topic because they asked it in relation to their program, but EOF is a notion used by (any?) tool that reads STDIN (and the method to signal it is the same), so I think it's useful to have and on topic. It would be better if OP expanded their question to EOF in general though.

Serg

Read the error please

@Seth thoughts on that being off-topic or not ? ^

@edwardtorvalds so . . . .what do you think ?

Mitch

3:53 PM

2

kos

@edwardtorvalds Works for me:

% ./foo <<< $(echo $'\04')
digits = 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0, white space = 1, other = 1

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