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9:20 AM
@NathanOsman I was once asked by an uncle whether computer viruses could spread to humans...
My response was: "As long as you don't have a pacemaker, artificial limb, neural net built into your body, I don't see how..."
And then after some more irrational questions:
"Have I ever been wrong about computers? Trust me on this one and if you don't trust me, ask your doctor..."
:D
 
 
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user136984
11:52 AM
@Nathan: I don't mean to make any trouble with my Meta post by the way, I just want it to be clarified, because if the community does want this then it should amend the rules otherwise it is unclear what is on-topic and what is not, and could lead to an unfair system where depending on who's on and how they feel changes what is closed and what is not.
 
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:)
 
user136984
12:38 PM
Anyone have any ideas for this‌​? @Serg perhaps? :)
 
12:49 PM
@ParanoidPanda copy it into the folder?
@ParanoidPanda and why'd you change back from the devil panda?
 
user136984
@Zacharee1: Oh, that's my avatar for special occasions! :D
 
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@Zacharee1: Personally, I think this is scarier:
 
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:D
 
yes yes it is
 
user136984
12:53 PM
@Zacharee1: And though I took the picture of the other one, I actually made this one. >;)
 
stop editing!!
:p
 
user136984
Sorry, if I start editing something, I have to edit it for an odd odd number of times! :P
 
user136984
(Every other odd number counts as an odd odd number.)
 
yeesh
@ParanoidPanda were you there when I was doing stuff with my site?
 
user136984
@Zacharee1: No, I don't think so... But I may have noticed and scanned it... :P
 
1:03 PM
Do you think it would look good if I re-colored it to Material colors? techyteen.net16.net/index.html
Sorry about the ad that comes up
 
user136984
@Zacharee1: I thought it had a .tk at the end?
 
user136984
Also, that site is blocked for "adult content"...
 
@ParanoidPanda temp domain rn
wat
 
user136984
@Zacharee1: Right, and apparently it's also infected with malware...
 
The tk domain is still there, but I wanted to work off a template instead of Weebly's messy stuff
@ParanoidPanda Well, it does have an annoying popup ad, but I don't think there's any malware
 
user136984
1:09 PM
@Zacharee1: Have a look at this.
 
Look at what the JS is though
It's some sort of statistics tracker
This isn't going to be my host
 
@ParanoidPanda hi, have you made any service file before?
 
user136984
1:24 PM
@edwardtorvalds: Service file? For what? Systemd?
 
user136984
I've made a very basic one that runs something at startup...
 
@ParanoidPanda I have two files one is httpd.socket and other is httpd.service. in httpd.socket file it says that any incoming connection on part 80 will start httpd.service but it is not working as expected
 
user136984
@edwardtorvalds: Can you post the contents here of both files?
 
@ParanoidPanda content of httpd.socket
context of httpd.service sprunge.us/chJV
@ParanoidPanda from man systemd.socket : For each socket file, a matching service file must exist, describing the service to start on incoming traffic on the socket
 
user136984
1:30 PM
@edwardtorvalds: Ah, that site seems to be blocked by my AV... But you should just be able to constantly run a script which checks for new packets from tcpdump on port 80 and then run a command when you get activity there.
 
@ParanoidPanda I am doing that using httpd.socket
[Unit]
Description=HTTPD Socket
Wants=network.target
After=network.target

[Socket]
ListenStream=80
#BindIPv6Only=ipv6-only
Accept=true

[Install]
WantedBy=sockets.target
@ParanoidPanda see the contents of httpd.socket above
 
user136984
And the contents of the other file?
 
@ParanoidPanda I dont think you will need it because this file works fine, but:
[Unit]
Description=Apache Web Server
After=network.target remote-fs.target nss-lookup.target

[Service]
Type=simple
ExecStart=/usr/bin/httpd -k start -DFOREGROUND
ExecStop=/usr/bin/httpd -k graceful-stop
ExecReload=/usr/bin/httpd -k graceful
PrivateTmp=true
LimitNOFILE=infinity
KillMode=mixed

[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target
 
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@edwardtorvalds: Ok, sorry, but I don't have that much experience with using systemd for this so I don't think I will be much help if you go about it that way...
 
1:52 PM
/fixing church network elf on a shelf style
oh, and look what came in the mail!
 
2:15 PM
@ParanoidPanda did you end up visiting the site or do I need to find another temp host?
 
@A.B. This one is very strange, please take a close look at the comments below the OP's own answer. I wonder why he can't receive the package from the trusty main repo, although that seems to be enabled... askubuntu.com/q/718750/367990
 
Captchas are getting way too hard. People need to move to those "I am not a robot" checkbox things
 
haha, it is a test you fail if you try ;P
if you get one, you are doing something like a robot - so the human thing would be to give up ;P
 
I wish
 
it's the best option, because if you fail multiple you will get blocked or somehting
give up, close - clear cookies and all that - wait an hour or day - try again and don't stop hitting the refresh till you get a readable one
 
2:27 PM
Well I was able to try the 20 times needed for the different captchas that showed up every time
 
if it has a "r" or "v" pass it by
don't try them unless your are completely sure you can type it
 
this captcha had ps and qs with stems that went out of the image
 
assume you have less than 3 chances
or better yet - only one chance
 
@HeatherBrown Is it just me or is Freenom completely broken?
 
@Zacharee1 I'm still waiting in vain for the activation mail of dottk... :-/
 
2:33 PM
@ByteCommander I wish they hadn't sold Freenom, because it's impossible to actually do anything now
 
@Zacharee1 Error code 0x08823 ?
 
wat
 
That's what I get when I tried to make my domain name on Freenom. After entering everything and confirming the mail address.
 
@ByteCommander ok :)
 
@ByteCommander I already have an account, so I have something slightly different
If I log in and choose New Domain from the dropdown, I get to the checkout, where I see it's empty and Freenom is asking me to sign up or login
If I log in, I just get put back at the empty checkout page
 
2:44 PM
I can't create an account as well.
 
If I choose Register a New Domain using the Button in the top right, I get the a checkout page with stuff in it, but the domain doesn't get created
 
I confirm the email, but it still says that there's no account found with this mail.
Same here :P
 
@ByteCommander use dot.tk and the Google+ login
 
I don't have google+.
And I already tried dot.tk with mail login a week ago and it failed as well. They didn't even send the mail.
 
If you have any Google account whatsoever you do
How about Facebook??
 
2:46 PM
Nope! ;)
I keep myself away from the blue f and the colorful g...
 
might be the only way
 
Then I'll drop that until I have a real use for it.
 
3:05 PM
Hello :)
 
(: olleH
 
user139252
@Zacharee1 what is broken about Freenom?
 
@HeatherBrown I try to register a new domain and the checkout is always empty
sometime it even asks me to sign in
@ParanoidPanda techyteen.byethost7.com
 
user139252
My only issue is their api doesn't let me log in
 
Minor :p
 
user139252
3:10 PM
I could just be using it wrong
 
@HeatherBrown If the customer can't use it, the business is doing it wrong
@HeatherBrown also, new host: techyteen.byethost7.com
something's messed up about it
 
user139252
I might need to hash the password before sending it
 
user139252
But registering works for me
 
@ParanoidPanda can you post both profiles to separate paste.ubuntu.com links and post those links back into your question?
 
OK. The site works now
Now I just need to spam-ping @ParanoidPanda
 
3:19 PM
@Mateo What is that?
 
This site requires Javascript to work, please enable Javascript in your browser or use a browser with Javascript support
http://techyteen.byethost7.com/?ckattempt=1
Enable or disable cookies

If you’re trying to use your Google Account and see a message saying your browser's cookie functionality is turned off, it’s likely your browser's cookies are disabled. You’ll need to turn cookies on to use your Google Account.
And that's where it stops because I've got Javascript and cookies disabled everywhere...
... except for the sites that I deem valuable enough to be allowed those.
 
Gahg
GHGHGHGHGHGHG
Well the site itself does use JS
 
As I can't see any compelling reason from what I've seen so far to turn those one, that's it.
What's it about?
 
It's the new design for my site. I got it from where @HeatherBrown got hers
 
3:24 PM
Ah, extremely bad design then.
 
To use JS?
 
ensure that no Javascript nor cookies are needed to see the basics and then ask me again! ;-)
 
Well idk how
and most people use JS
 
the site needs to provide basic functionality without JS and some functionality without cookies..
Without cookies, it should be able to display something but E.G. not save my login details etc...
Previous design was better.
 
I might be able to disable the use of cookies. It came with a login example
 
3:27 PM
and if you want fantastic design, it should be working in lynx too! ;-)
try lynx google.com
 
@Fabby I don't see anything that looks like it needs JS to show the site:
    <!DOCTYPE HTML>
<!--
	Solid State by HTML5 UP
	html5up.net | @n33co
	Free for personal and commercial use under the CCA 3.0 license (html5up.net/license)
-->
<html>
	<head>
		<title>Z's Tech Help</title>
		<meta charset="utf-8" />
		<meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1" />
		<!--[if lte IE 8]><script src="assets/js/ie/html5shiv.js"></script><![endif]-->
		<link rel="stylesheet" href="assets/css/main.css" />
		<!--[if lte IE 9]><link rel="stylesheet" href="assets/css/ie9.css" /><![endif]-->
 
@Zacharee1 yes, my point exactly...
 
Unless it's something stupid, Verizon has technically given a release date for 5.1.1 for the Note 4: tomorrow!
@Fabby Where do I disable the requirement?
 
html NOSCRIPT
 
eh... heheheh
how?
 
But that just does exactly what you don't want
 
no, I want everything to work without javascript
also have a look at: stackoverflow.com/a/2170503
have a look at google's home page: they did it right: without javascript, nor cookies, nor images, it looks like a dinosaur, but works, whereas images ass jazz, JavaScript adds more jazz and cookies add even more.
;-)
 
Does that mean I need to duplicate all the HTML with <noscript> tags around it? Because with the <noscript> tags around everything right now, I obviously see nothing
 
I'm an old fart you see and can set up web sites using pure and simple HTML, then add images where needed and JS and cookies if absolutely necessary. ;-)
 
@Fabby I know pretty much nothing about manual HTML building.
The best I can really do is edit simple things
 
3:40 PM
Let me give you a fully functional site in pure html in one minute:
<html><title>Title</title><body>Body</body></html>
that's it!
 
@Fabby The whole reason I'm actually doing this is so I can make a site that looks nice. People who might be customers of mine aren't going to be tech savvy enough to have JS and cookies disabled
I'm not trying to make a site that works for people who think it's 1991
 
OK, no worries!
 
3:53 PM
@Zacharee1 I'm just trying to convene that if you don't start at the bottom and then you work your way up, you're going to run into trouble eventually, but then I'm a chemist by education and I like to start with atoms, then simple molecules then complex molecules, then proteins and only then do I try to understand DNA, genes, and even more complex designs! ;-)
@A.B. do you have any further ideas of why a HDD should be able to be powered off in a live system?
 
@Fabby no? o_O
 
@A.B. No worries, I could just think of laptops, desktops and servers...
how's the weather?
 
Eject buttons ... about these things I do not think.
 
@A.B. :D :D :D
 
@Fabby Chance of Rain 2%
;)
 
user139252
4:04 PM
@Zacharee1 you can set it so that it practically displays a while different site without js enabled
 
@HeatherBrown that'll have to be another time: too much work and such
 
@chili555 Hi, chili ! Here's a small question for your networking expertise :) The user has interesting issue in resolving domains ,changing dns settings don't seem to take effect
@ParanoidPanda I would assume importing profile is merely dropping in the exported file back into the folder , .config/tox/ or whatever that was
@HeatherBrown sorry, I went to sleep way early yesterday
OK . . . now that I've sufficiently pinged everybody , I can go back to crying over my tuition T_T
 
4:25 PM
@Serg Or modifying it to the new format!
 
4:36 PM
@Fabby slimport cable, goes usb to hdmi - desktop mode on Ubuntu nexus 4
 
5:03 PM
@Mateo Cool! :-) Does it work?
 
@Serg which Android emulator you have used for your Chinese chat thing?
Genymotion?
 
@A.B. yes , genymotion
 
@Serg thx :D
 
@A.B. need link to that question ?
 
@Serg Oh yes =)
 
5:12 PM
@A.B. There you go :) askubuntu.com/a/540894/295286
 
@Serg I have to create an account to download genymotion. Right?
 
Yes . . . And it's a free account
 
Man. Why is remote desktop control such a pain?
 
@RPiAwesomeness it is not :=)
 
I have had no luck helping my friend with Remmina
 
5:19 PM
aha. I tend to do it myself with both systems :P Then it should be fairly easy. Doing it over the phone or email is a pain indeed :+
 
Yeah, we're trying to do configure it over GHangouts
 
@RPiAwesomeness Teamviewer.
 
^ German quality product.
 
@Seth anoying license :)
 
@ByteCommander lol
 
5:21 PM
at work Teamviewer keeps insisting I am using it as a commercial product >:-D
 
@Rinzwind eh, works well for simple stuff, especially when you can't get anything else to do it.
@Rinzwind sounds like you are!
 
@Seth nope >:)
 
@Seth No lol, that's true. I live less than an hour by car away from their headquarters.
 
@Rinzwind "at work" == commercial product.
 
I used it to connect to my HOME system from work :=D @seth
for personal usage :D
 
5:22 PM
ah
 
mind though we also have a commercial license at work >:-D
and they do not understand sometimes people need to connect to a home system :P
 
@Fabby yeah, not too bad - no otg at the same, but Bluetooth works so its OK, I'm going to try the proposed imqge to see the progress
 
Is that thing really called "nipple mouse"? xD askubuntu.com/questions/719498/disable-all-scroll-bars
 
@Mateo nice!
@ByteCommander I call it something worse... ;-)
the real name probably is a "TrackPoint"
 
@Fabby >>>.<<<
 
5:29 PM
:D :D :D
 
Your dirty mind made me laugh... ;-)
 
wikipedia has "pointing stick"
the branding name is probably the best as fabby said
 
@ByteCommander Whew!
 
user136984
5:49 PM
@Fabby: Which profiles?
 
@ParanoidPanda Huh?
What are you referring to?
BTW, just posted an updated answer for you!
 
user136984
@Fabby: Your last message to me...
 
the comment on meta?
lemme look...
 
@ByteCommander I usually call it the "nub". TrackPoint is what Lenovo calls it iirc.
 
user136984
@Fabby: No, in chat...
 
5:54 PM
@ParanoidPanda there is a little arrow at the end of a chat line. press that instead of typing an @ so that your answer links back to whatever silliness I was saying and immediately forgot about after... ;-)
 
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@Fabby: Also, I still don't see how "asking questions about how the websites work, or about policies and community decisions" covers social announcements...
 
sigh
 
@ParanoidPanda Instead of making that Q&A comment section look like a chat room, why don't we talk about it here?
 
user136984
@Fabby:
 
user136984
3 hours ago, by Fabby
@ParanoidPanda can you post both profiles to separate http://paste.ubuntu.com links and post those links back into your question?
 
5:57 PM
@ParanoidPanda that was in response to your question about tox profiles...
 
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@Fabby: Ok, and it would be good I think to get some other people into the discussion.
 
No, You don't get the point because you're thinking in Black and White...
You're a rule-follower....
rules are meant to be bent...
 
user136984
Then maybe we should allow Windows questions.
 
@ParanoidPanda on meta???
there are Windows questions on meta!
 
user136984
No, on both sites, if we should really bend the rules.
 
5:59 PM
@ParanoidPanda meta and the main site are different
meta is more relaxed.
 
user136984
So, rules don't apply there?
 
user136984
It should state that it is more relaxed then.
 
we take off our ties, shoes and in my case: I take off my trousers and shirt too and walk in my underwear!
and so does Nathan!
and you're putting on a metal harness!
;)
 
user136984
The rules state what the Meta site is for, and they in no way cover all this.
 
TAKE IT OFF!
start thinking in grey at least!
50 shades minimum!
And eventually you'll end up like me and thinking in full 32-bit colour!
:-) ;-)
I need a smoke!
 
6:02 PM
@Fabby 50 shades of Panda, soon in theatres all over teh word
2
 
user136984
If there are rules on what is on-topic and what is not, and they are not followed, then the site becomes unfair because it will depend upon who is online and their opinions.
 
@Serg Weehee!!!!
@ParanoidPanda Life is not fair!
(and then you die!)
if you have something that adds to the community, it'll be upvoted...
 
user136984
I certainly feel it is unfair that Nathan can post about games because people like them, but I cannot post about Pandas because people don't like them. The rules are there to keep us in order as well as to keep things fair.
 
idf you have something that annoys people, it'll be downvoted. That's meta
@ParanoidPanda AAAH!!!
 
user136984
idf?
 
6:05 PM
Well, that's because most people like games and don't give a damn about pandas
and people like to interact and discuss and play together as we're a community
 
user136984
So we should exclude the panda lovers?
 
Some of us even like the oddballs around here!
@ParanoidPanda I won't; most will!
Good enough?
@ParanoidPanda Mmh... seems like you're thinking!
Good! That allows me to have a SMOKE!
 
What are you guys even discussing ? some post on meta ?
 
user136984
@Serg: The rules state one thing, and it seems that people want to ignore them (not even amend them). Even though this makes things unfair, people don't seem to care.
 
user136984
6:09 PM
So people can have off-topic questions about games, but can't have equally off-topic questions about Pandas because people don't want Pandas.
 
user136984
I still think though that just ignoring it and saying something like "life is unfair" isn't the right thing to do.
 
i see
 
@ParanoidPanda I'm pretty sure that's not true...
Let me elaborate:
If you would have a project about a robotic panda that is run by a raspberry Pi running Ubuntu...
and would just ask "who wants to help me on this?"
the question would be a largely upvoted question!
(Did I just add one shade of grey to your B&W thinking???) ;-)
 
user136984
So if have a game which just so happens to be hosted on Ubuntu it is on-topic to post about it? Now that's just completely ridiculous, I could posts things about coats with the Ubuntu logo then!
 
@ParanoidPanda I did!
here it is:
It didn't get any stars, but it wasn't deleted...
 
user136984
6:16 PM
Look, the rules should be amended if this is what the community wants, until then, you can argue that they do, but the rules really don't cover it ("asking questions about how the websites work, or about policies and community decisions").
 
user136984
@Fabby: Yeah, but you didn't post that on Meta.
 
user136984
Chat is different.
 
@ParanoidPanda Ah!
 
user136984
There aren't any rules that define the chat really.
 
Chat AND META are BOTH different!
Normally: General discussion around Ask Ubuntu, Ubuntu & official Ubuntu derivatives. For other Linux distros please see: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/26/unix-and-linux
 
user136984
6:17 PM
"Normally".
 
the "normally" was added about 9 moths or so ago...
just because there was so much off-topic stuff!
 
user136984
So maybe they should add it to Meta as well.
 
user136984
Until they do, it's off-topic.
 
and one of the (extremely busy) mods added one word...
@ParanoidPanda I see that I'm not getting through to you...
 
user136984
But do you really think that "asking questions about how the websites work, or about policies and community decisions" covers social announcements? If so, which part?
 
6:18 PM
It won't be off-topic as long as the community decides it's not...
 
user136984
It does not state that in the rules section.
 
meta is more flexible then the main site but a little less flexible then chat...
 
user136984
You started by arguing that the rules say it, but when it was said that they really didn't, you then started to argue that we just shouldn't follow them.
 
as long as most people are interested, it won't be downvoted, won't be closed as off-topic, won't be deleted, ...
@ParanoidPanda no!
I'm not saying that!
I'm saying that the prime directive is:
 
user136984
You were though, before it was made completely clear that they don't say that.
 
6:21 PM
Meta Ask Ubuntu is the part of the site where users discuss the workings and policies of Ask Ubuntu rather than discussing Ubuntu itself.
and everything else is subservient to that.
 
user136984
Unless you've gone back to your old stance or you are jumping between both?
 
Please elaborate: I've lost you...
 
user136984
You started off by saying that "Meta Ask Ubuntu is the part of the site where users discuss the workings and policies of Ask Ubuntu rather than discussing Ubuntu itself." covered posting social announcements even though the elaboration of that clearly states that it does not (if it does, please state which bit of it does) "asking questions about how the websites work, or about policies and community decisions", and then when it was said that this really does not cover it,
 
user136984
you started saying that we should bend the rules then.
 
Anyone here know much about NVIDIA drivers?
 
user136984
6:25 PM
It just seems to me as though you have a set thing you want to argue and you won't change your mind about it because you started off by saying that the rules say it, and then when you realised that they don't you changed your argument that we just shouldn't follow them and that life was unfair so just to deal with it.
 
@RPiAwesomeness yes...
 
My friend's trying to get his laptop with an 860M working and we've got the black screen after login issue
 
What do you need?
@RPiAwesomeness what version of driver did you use?
 
He's purging nvidia stuff, but I'm not sure what really to do beyond that to get the desktop back & the GPU recognized
365 IIRC
 
@ParanoidPanda I'll get back to you after the nvidia issue.
 
6:27 PM
I've put my 2 cents on the issue
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A: Are social announcements not related to Ubuntu or the site on-topic on Meta?

SergQuote from the linked What's Meta page Unlike normal Stack Exchange sites, Meta invites the community to discuss, debate and propose changes to the way the community itself behaves, as well as how the software itself work If we consider that clause, it appears that Nathan's post does n...

 
His GPU isn't being recognized, just the Intel HD graphics :P
 
@RPiAwesomeness Let me look up which driver is best for the 860M
@RPiAwesomeness Laptop or PC?
 
Laptop
 
@RPiAwesomeness I think maybe I can help you with this ... :)
 
@RPiAwesomeness Is the GPU turned on in the BIOS???
(before @cl-netbox sheds his wisdom)
;-)
 
6:31 PM
@Fabby I don't have any of this ... :D
 
@Serg upvoted...
@RPiAwesomeness are you still there???
 
@RPiAwesomeness : This answer from me is suitable : askubuntu.com/questions/716942/login-loop-on-ubuntu-15-10/… - I have a GTX 860M in my machine and this is the most proper way to manage the drivers installation. :)
 
Huh? Since when does the screen only become black but still show the mouse cursor instead of going to standby? o.O Is there a setting for that which I could have accidentally changed?
 
@ByteCommander I've seen this before sometimes...
 
@ByteCommander have you played with any xrandr scripts / settings ?
 
6:35 PM
(but have no solution: it seems one of these "random things)
 
@Serg Nope didn't touch any.
 
Weird weird
 
user136984
 
@ParanoidPanda aaaawwwwwwwwwwww, cuteness !!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
@ParanoidPanda shall we take a private room together? :D
 
6:43 PM
@cl-netbox @Fabby I'm still here, but AFK currently. I have Kitchen Patrol >.<
 
@RPiAwesomeness Please check this : chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/26733769#26733769 - it might help you. :)
 
@RPiAwesomeness Thanks for the update. look at cl-netbox's answer
 
6:55 PM
@RPiAwesomeness : I will leave now - when you have further questions regarding the NVIDIA problem, please ping me and leave a message ... :)
Goodbye - see you tomorrow ... :)
 
user136984
@cl-netbox: Bye! :)
 

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