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1:03 PM

@blade19899 TOX project and its repository moved over to a different domain. All repositories need to be actualized... See my answer: askubuntu.com/a/656853/367990 - You might have to update some of your posts too.

@ByteCommander You should build your own qTox version ;)

How?

Via Launchpad and GitHub

:P ...

Do you have an Launchpad account?

1:06 PM

I guess so... Somewhere deep inside Firefox's password manager I should find something that fits.

@ByteCommander Read the Tox blog on why the change: Current Situation | Tox Blog

And my Q/A on tox has already been updated!

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A: How do I install Tox?

How do I install Tox? Manually You can download the binaries from here: Binaries - Tox, download the package that is appropriate for you. When downloaded, install like so: sudo dpkg -i {YOUR_PREFERRED_TOX_CLIENT}.deb After that search for the client you just installed. PPA The origina...

Will do. But later, I'm busy for a while now...

any cron gurus around to spot check a cron line?

nevermind :)

Hey guys

glad you figured it out @ThomasW.

1:15 PM

my laptop has issues with sleep mode, does know how to help me with that?

@jrg merely trying to grasp my head around "Cron every saturday at 2AM to reboot a box"

figured out: 0 2 * * 6 COMMANDLOLZORZBLAHFOOBAR666

@ThomasW. I won't touch anything more complex than the 3rd saturday of odd months.

I did that once.

RPi Awesomeness

@NathanOsman Never mind, ignore my question :)

@jrg yeah well we have a Hardy box here...

and it needs rebooted weekly because VMware Tools are too old

so they eat resources too much

ah, old VMware tools leak? Good to know.

1:16 PM

@jrg old VMware tools, vs. New ESXi 6

@Itay Have you asked a question on the site?

@jrg kablooey in that combo

@ThomasW. when did 6 come out? I'm still running 5.1 something

@jrg recently within the past few months I think.

5.5.0 is the last 5 release

I recently installed Ubuntu 14.04 on my Asus Q550LF and for some reason I have issues with sleep mode.

When I put my computer in "suspend mode" or when I shut it sometimes the screen won't work again until I'll reboot it using the power button, and even when I put it in sleep mode I suspect that it continue to work all the time since every time that I'm taking the laptop from the bag when it was in sleep mode it's really hot, while when I used windows this didn't happen.

Any ideas why?

1:17 PM

6.1 i think they're already at?

either 6.1 or 6.0, I'll double check

@ThomasW. either way, makes me feel a little better about having my server be so behind.

@Itay Because Suspend has its own quirks that can break things

@jrg same circumstances exist on 5.x

granted, i'm migrating to hyper-v when that box fails, so whatevs.

@jrg so you're not able to avoid it simply by that

@ThomasW. I don't have anything older than precise in my network right now. (:

1:18 PM

@ThomasW. is there any way to solve these issues?

@jrg good :p

@jrg I actually nuked the last Precise box yesterday xD

@Itay How much RAM do you have on your system?

@ThomasW. 8GB

@Itay Did you put enough swap space to match the amount of RAM you have?

(so at least 8 GB of swap)

Swap is a partition that saves the ram during sleep ?

among other functions

point not withstanding i gave insufficient swap on a system once and that happened :P

but mostly irrelevant...

in this case, i should say that I have weird "Resume" problems myself

wifi card stops functioning every 6 restores, networking breaks, Unity/LightDM freeze up and crash, graphics card explosions...

1:22 PM

@ThomasW. I see, since I have only 120GB SSD in my laptop, is there a different way to fix it? and what about that the laptop get very heated while sleeping sometimes?

is not using suspend an option?

getting 'hot' while sleeping is a different issue

and not one i can solve

is it bad I've memorized ‽'s unicode code of 203D ? :/

@ThomasW. what's the difference between suspend/hibernate/sleep modes? if one of them is better I'll take it

hibernate doesn't work everywhere so it's disabled

@ThomasW. about the heat issue, I don't think that it's an hardware issue since I don't have it with windows

'suspend' means low power mode

saves to RAM, etc.

'sleep' can mean either

@Itay Still not something we can solve.

@Itay and stop saying "I don't get it with windows"

if you want everything to operate like it does in Windows, go back to Windows

this is also a chat, you'll hit a much larger audience posting about other problems as questions on the actual site

1:26 PM

ok, thanks

point not withstanding

neither hibernate nor suspend are guaranteed to work 100% of the time

even in Windows this issue has been observed

so it's not a "unique to linux" problem.

RPi Awesomeness

Grr...following a tutorial and instead of figuring out what the error is, the guy just copy/pasted his working code in. Seriously dude.

Not cool.

And then he talks about a link, but there's nothing there

@RPiAwesomeness Stupidity personified. Except we see this all the time.

RPi Awesomeness

@ThomasW. It's on an Ubuntu OnAir vid nonetheless >.<

user136984

@ThomasW.: Ah good, you are here now, about that patch I submitted, the debdiff one for gnome-shell, they want a potential regressions section, but what does one put in such a section? And how does one know of any potential regressions due to these patches, because I sure don't...? Would this be the result of testing and finding that it causes other problems too? Or what? :)

1:33 PM

@RPiAwesomeness smack them

RPi Awesomeness

Indeed

@ParanoidPanda If you don't know possible regressions then you shouldn't make the diff. In all the cases I've run SRUs, they're either Security updates, or nginx updates utilizing code changes already in later versions.

@ParanoidPanda "Potential Regressions" is a "What do you think the potential is for additional regressions?"

in my diffs, none, since it's direct-from-upstream or direct-from-debian changes

in your case, I can't attest to potential regressions

regression potential is low since the code is from upstreams and exists in upstream now without issue, but it could potentially break 'cancel', empty-box verification, etc.

but don't quote me

user136984

So what should I put in that section then if I don't know?

consider as well that these are changes now included upstream, so that does help to some extent

@ParanoidPanda You should probably abandon the SRU then, because all SRUs need a 'regression potential' section. Where'd i put that example...

user136984

Is there any way I can test what possible regressions one could get?

user136984

1:36 PM

Or do I need to test it first?

user136984

@ThomasW.: Because my Virtual Testing Environment is back online now, so I probably could do that.

there's no way to test regressions. this is more a code analysis part of it. "What's the possibility for regressions"

my analysis would be that "Given that this code is already applied in upstream, and that these patches are directly derived from the upstream patches, I believe the regression risk is low." or similar.

you're not required to ID specific regressions

you're supposed to comment on the possibility of regressions

regressions, such as, the 'Next" button not working anymore, username entry validation fails every time now, etc.

user136984

Right, so can I just copy and paste what you just put in "" because that is perfect? :)

absolutely not

use your own words

user136984

Ok... :D

1:39 PM

the moment you copy mine I'mma take credit

because i'm in that mood today lol

@ParanoidPanda remind me which bug this is again

i've seen about 50 bugs since xD

user136984

@ThomasW.: This one: bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/1479014

user136984

:)

@ParanoidPanda Reach out to TIm on there, ask him for guidance

user136984

@ThomasW.: How about "As these patches have already been put to practical use in the upstream version, and the patches which have been put to use in this version, have originated from those patches, I would say that the risk of regression is minimal."?

user136984

I already did...

1:45 PM

he's actually on the list of people who helps manage things, so you should be coordinating with them

user136984

No answer...

note i also already said you're hesitant about the regression potential section

so... :P

(I had to ACK something they said anyways)

user136984

You did?

user136984

Where?

user136984

:D

user136984

1:46 PM

Oh, not on the bug report then, somewhere else I guess then...

what package has the scp source? I have something I want to look into

0

Q: Can someone explain tilda useage?

I was confused, trying to copy some files from one PC to another. I have it figured out, but the syntax is still confusing to me. This works: $ scp ~/Desktop/Volenteer.png jay@server.ip:~j0h/b which puts Volenteer.png in the folder /home/j0h/b This Doesn't work: $ scp ~Desktop/Volenteer....

server ssh bug-reporting scp tilda

I tried apt-get source scp, but that didnt return anything

@j0h try using apt-cache search scp when looking for packages - does that help?

user136984

@ThomasW.: Ah, now I see it in the report comments... For some reason I could not see it before... :)

RPi Awesomeness

@Mateo Did you run into this error when following the tutorial?

error: no 'std::deque<std::basic_string<char> > api::Client::query_deps()' member function declared in class 'api::Client'
 std::deque<std::string> Client::query_deps() {

@ParanoidPanda it doesn't live update comments. F5 / Refresh is a useful tool

1:59 PM

@fossfreedom well it does give me a long list of things. how should i know which one is the package i want.

[darksource /home/teward]% which scp
  /usr/bin/scp
[darksource /home/teward]% apt-file search /usr/bin/scp
  libemu2: /usr/bin/scprofiler
  libsc-dev: /usr/bin/scpr
  openssh-client: /usr/bin/scp
  system-config-printer-common: /usr/bin/scp-dbus-service

openssh-client is the binary package.

[darksource /home/teward]% apt-cache show openssh-client
Package: openssh-client
Priority: standard
Section: net
Installed-Size: 3435
Maintainer: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>
Original-Maintainer: Debian OpenSSH Maintainers <debian-ssh@lists.debian.org>
Architecture: amd64
Source: openssh   <--------------------
Version: 1:6.6p1-2ubuntu2
...

the "Source" line indicates the source package

this is on a Trusty box mind you

@j0h @fossfreedom see above messages from me

which identifies the path of the binary

apt-file search /the/path will search all the files installed or included in all binaries for string matches of /the/path.

apt-cache show openssl-client | grep "Source:" will indicate the corresponding Source package

@ThomasW. Thanks, that is handy info

and if multiple versions are present you'll get several lines like...

[darksource /home/teward]% apt-cache show openssh-client | grep "Source:"
  Source: openssh
  Source: openssh

note that you need to download, and 'bootstrap', apt-fileas it's not a standard-installed tool

but it's 'useful

ignore the [darksource /home/teward]% part, that's just the PS1 of my zsh :)

@j0h you're welcome! apt-cache search is nice for binary package names, but when actually hunting down specific packages and you know what file/binary you're looking for, these tools come in handy

only one of those there do you actually have to download/install/bootstrap

eheheheh and my apt-file is outdated lol

runs an update

RPi Awesomeness

2:18 PM

>:( Curse you bad tutorial that doesn't work like it should

user139252

@ThomasW. Is your name Thomas Edison Ward?

user139252

@RPiAwesomeness What tutorial?

RPi Awesomeness

Introduction to scopes development

user139252

What's not working?

RPi Awesomeness

It won't show any results

user139252

2:22 PM

Well, I can't do that through SSH and I never set-up VNC on my 15.04... When I get home I can try it out and see if I can figure out what's going on for you.

@HeatherBrown nope.

user139252

@ThomasW. Sad :(. I really wanted to meet Thomas Edison.

lol

RPi Awesomeness

Okay, found out the source of the bug.

Now to figure WHAT was causing it.

user139252

You leave food out last night?

user139252

2:26 PM

That usually brings bugs about.

@RPiAwesomeness Random convergence of cosmic rays perhaps?

RPi Awesomeness

Probably to both

Cosmic ray flies invaded my food

so... SSL is expensive

user139252

Where are you purchasing from?

well it's expensive either way

i need two wildcards

user139252

2:29 PM

Digicert has 1 year standard license for only $175USD

user139252

Oh...

namecheap, comodo, and gandi

namecheap because cheap, another Comodo reseller because lower than namecheap, and Gandi where I regged the domain

and namecheap might pricematch to the cheaper Comodo reseller (difference of ~$35)

user139252

If you get three years at once, Digicert has each one for $475 a year!

user139252

But, that requires you have over $1200 available to spend right now.

@HeatherBrown 3-Year wildcard is $267 from NameCheap, $240 from the other comodo reseller

both PositiveSSL

about half that Digicert price lol

user139252

2:31 PM

I am proud of your shopping abilities.

NameCheap has stated that they can pricematch the Comodo reseller

at least, in the support ticket

user136984

@Fabby: How did the run away nose get so important?

@HeatherBrown Meh, I just learned how to do it :)

@HeatherBrown gandi.net for the registrar because E-rates as an Ubuntu member.

ssl elsewhere xD

@HeatherBrown from Comodo direct it's even pricier

about Digicert's prices

user139252

@Paranoid Panda Run away nose?

but NameCheap and this other one are coming in at the lowest I've seen so far :P

user136984

2:35 PM

@HeatherBrown: Yes, haven't you heard of it?

user139252

Yeah, I usually click the first google results and end up paying way too much because I'm too lazy to search online.

user139252

No, I have not heard about a run away nose

user136984

Perhaps @Fabby could explain?

user139252

@ParanoidPanda Unless you're talking about the Sonnenshein book, Harold's Runaway Nose?

user136984

@HeatherBrown: Nope, never heard of that...

user139252

2:38 PM

@ParanoidPanda Classic children's book, pretty good.

@HeatherBrown I actually knew about NameCheap and Comodo SSL Store (a reseller), so...

and Gandi of course but they're not PositiveSSL

so i started looking :P

@Fabby is here?

RPi Awesomeness

\o/ Finishing up the tutorial finally

user139252

Oh hey, work is pushing the 15.04 update! I'll be back, guys!

Hi @HeatherBrown, coffee?

user136984

2:46 PM

@HeatherBrown: Try searching for: "Нос".

user136984

Я очень хороший Нос!

user136984

Вы не думаете?

user136984

@Fabby: Is there a keyboard shortcut to switch between languages in one's browser that you know of? Because I keep forgetting and then wondering why this whole sentence is in read after writing about Нос! :D

user136984

Or better, is there a way for it to do English spell check on English words, and Russian on Russian words...?

user136984

:)

user136984

2:54 PM

Have I just confused everyone else by the way? :D

user136984

@Fabby: By the way, I meant "red", and not "read"... :D

user136984

@HeatherBrown: Are you any more clearer on what I am talking about?

@RPiAwesomeness on makeing it do the preview ( click on button for uri) ?

@RPiAwesomeness oh that tutitorial... I think he messed something up in the video

RPi Awesomeness

@Mateo Yeah. I figured it out though :)

Yeah, he did.

Cool, good practice ;)

Ask Ubuntu Meta

3:13 PM

0

Q: Is there a rule which states that all questions and answers have to be in English on this site?

I know that people often tell others that it is a rule here, but I am have never actually seen it written anywhere, so is it a rule that all questions and answers on this site have to be written in English?

discussion support answers offtopic-questions languages

user136984

@Serg: Did you at least understand what I said? :D

user136984

About the Нос.

user136984

:D

Back from being busy...

LibreOffice 5.0 is out. And it looks amazing!

Ask Ubuntu Meta

3:29 PM

0

Q: What happens when flaging comments as answers

When viewing the first posts queue, there are so many "im having this issue too" or "This happed to me this one time" answers it is ridiculous. You can't possibly leave a comment on all these answers, so is there like a preferred generic comment I can paste there, the system does not generate on...

discussion answers flagging new-users

user136984

@blade19899: When will I be able to get it?

@blade19899 Any major differences?

And when will it come to the repos?

@ByteCommander New look

user136984

That is, when will it be available in the repositories? :)

sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:libreoffice/ppa
sudo apt-get -y update && sudo apt-get -y upgrade
sudo apt-get -y dist-upgrade
sudo apt-get -y install libreoffice libreoffice-l10n-nl ooo-thumbnailer browser-plugin-libreoffice libreoffice-style-sifr

I installed from deb files, but gonna install it via ppa, this time

@ParanoidPanda ^

launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/ppa

3:33 PM

whooo, pricematched xD namecheap is kind :)

($329 later, I have the two wildcards I need xD)

Oh, @ParanoidPanda do you know Sean Coleman?

lol:

New App: blamepopey - http://bit.ly/1DpQVHO

Tweeted by uappexplorer on August 5, 2015 at 1:30 PM

Morning all! :)

it's just printing random text...

@Terrance morning :)

user136984

3:39 PM

@ByteCommander: No, who is he?

morning! ;)

He's an author. I've read a great thriller of him this week. And he had to do with h2g2.

user136984

@Mateo: Afternoon you mean... :P

user136984

But maybe different timezones... :D

close enough...

3:40 PM

Therefore I thought you might know him.

@Mateo I don't have Ubuntu Touch ;(

lunch time!

is anytime :)

Oh yes! >:D

09:40 here, so still morning! ;D

I think it is a inside joke:

3:41 PM

@Mateo my wife used to think I was crazy for eating lunch at 08:00, but I started work at 04:00, so lunch was before noon. :)

So, yeah, anytime is lunch time! :D

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@Mateo ,`(

I want that so bad. It has everything i want in a terminal: black background, green text...

The geekness in me just grows when i see it.

oh, that wasn't the actual term, that was the joke app

this is the terminal

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tabs, key shortcuts, nano shortcuts, function keys, and popular commands

I'm definitely gonna get the Ubuntu Phone in October!

yeah, that one is going to be the one they are trying to converge, that will be cool

3:50 PM

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@Mateo Hope it will be cheap-ish

user136984

4:13 PM

@ThomasW.: When submitting a patch file, even if just a diff patch like those upstream ones, and not a debdiff, are all those sections that I had to do for the gnome-shell bug necessary? :)

user136984

As I recently submitted a patch with just a description of the problem and what it fixed, but not all of those sections, is that fine? :)

user136984

:)

@ParanoidPanda not really, if someone else is doing the debdiff

yeah that should be fine

others will complain in other cases :)

user136984

Ok

user136984

Thanks! :)

user136984

4:18 PM

@ThomasW.: By the way, the automatic message said that it had been triggered by someone, so does that mean that someone has at least noticed and will review it soon? :)

user136984

user image

reread the message

especially the bracketed part

user136984

@ByteCommander: Oh dear... I was trying to search for "Powerwolf" on YouTube... Caught myself typing in "Powershell" instead... facepalm... :D

user136984

@ThomasW.: An automated message triggered by a LaunchPad user...

@ParanoidPanda Automated Message

read the name of the user

"Ubuntu Foundations Team Bug Bot"

it's an automated bot user. The bot is run by BugMaster Brian Murray.

user136984

4:25 PM

So it is fully automated then? :(

yes

but it's accurate

user136984

So do the reviewers get alerted to my patch?

because it is a patch

@ParanoidPanda i'm not on the team, i can't attest to it. I do know that the reviewers end up on the list. Debdiffs call in sponsors. standard patches call in the reviewers team.

unless it's for nginx in which it lands on my desk.

i usually call upon sponsors to look at it anyways XD

user136984

@ThomasW.: Can I join the team specially to approve my patch? :P

4:47 PM

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user136984

@ThomasW.: By the way, should I assign myself to that bug where I put the debdiff? Or are assignees something else in a bug report? :)

🔞 i wouldnt mess with assignments

@ParanoidPanda o.O*!!!

4:54 PM

🚽 🌈 🌠 🍵 some fun ones here 😉

A unicode toilet???

3

user136984

:D

>.<

@ByteCommander they had what goes in th toilet too...

user136984

@Mateo: Toilet cleaner?

5:05 PM

o/

@NathanOsman \o

o\

Hi @NathanOsman

@Mateo That kind of looks like someone smacking their head :P

user136984

How can I create my own clipboard system?

5:10 PM

(-_-)ゞ

user136984

So basically how do I make an application which has access to all other applications and can copy and paste text? :)

user136984

Because this has been an issue in the past...

found a pantone color calibrator at goodwill and it works on linux ;)

user136984

Does anyone know how you can build a virtual machine?

calibrating now

user136984

5:12 PM

Well, basically I have a project and I need to build a virtual machine environment like Virtual Box, but obviously not as complicated...

user136984

Just basic functionality, and the ability to virtually hold something.

user136984

How exactly do VMs work? :)

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Has anyone a Razor keyboard?

user136984

@NathanOsman: Is your penguin's YouTube channel getting popular yet? :D

5:18 PM

amazon.de/Razer-RZ03-00800300-R3G1-DeathStalker-Gaming-Tastatur/…

@ParanoidPanda Haven't checked lately.

@ParanoidPanda Sorry, I don't understand your question

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Q: How to list all dependencies in Terminal

Is there a way in Terminal to list all programs which have not been installed by me, but other programs as necessary dependencies?

command-line dependencies installed-programs

user136984

@A.B. It's fine, @muru's on it. :)

No, I have a better answer :P

user136984

But I was basically asking about programs installed automatically by others, and not manually by me.

user136984

5:33 PM

Ok

user136984

:D

@ParanoidPanda No you can't lol

@ParanoidPanda I wouldn't, GNOME bugs have a slightly different workflow

I mean, I dictate the nginx package bugs' workflow, except when it's a developer-process one, or a security bug/issue, but I'm kind of the Ubuntu maintainer for that package, so...

i technically can make that decision

(that's a special case though xD)

user136984

@ThomasW. Oh... Well, I've already applied to become a member of the team! ;P

user136984

Seriously, I have...

user136984

:D

5:48 PM

Wow, those openclipart packages are huge...

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@ParanoidPanda :P :)

@ParanoidPanda Thx my friend =)

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