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6:05 PM
No sane person would use XML for a config file that is almost always created/edited by humans. Except J2EE developers maybe. But that already conflicts with the "sane person" condition. — ThiefMaster 6 hours ago
needs more love
 
by that, you surely mean more 'not constructive' flag
 
Hi @seth, lol.
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very well.
 
I have a strange problem with MATE.
On one of my machines, but not on the other, there is no internet sometimes when I log in.
 
@Braiam huh? When? I'm actually quite comfortable with that. I was wondering why some OSs chose to do things in a certain way.
 
6:10 PM
When I click on the internet icon, no wireless networks are detected.
Sometimes, restarting fixes it, but only sometimes.
 
@JasperLoy I feel compelled to ask, why you think that MATE has something to do with the detection of wireless signals?
 
Hence, this internet loss is a pretty random thing.
@Braiam Because it doesn't happen with any other DE.
 
...
 
@JasperLoy ????/
 
IS DEFINITIVE, I WOULD NOT USE MATE EVER!
 
6:11 PM
@terdon Yup, only happens when I use MATE! The distro doesn't come into the picture.
 
@Seth yes it is, ~/.bash_profile is only sourced by login shells unless it is explicitly being sourced by .bashrc or similar files as well.
 
@Braiam I think it is the best desktop!
So, why is my hi to Seth being starred? Is it funny?
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@JasperLoy I politely disagree after hearing your problem
 
Yeah, MATE is cool but this is not its problem, it has nothing to do with it. You're saying that on the same machine, you get connection problems with MATE and not with other DEs? Which DEs?
 
@Braiam OK, but I have tried GNOME, KDE, LXDE, XFCE, Cinnamon, Unity.
@terdon Unity, GNOME for example.
 
6:14 PM
Well, that makes no sense, both Gnome and MATE should use the same network backend for example.
 
@JasperLoy Oh hi :)
 
I don't know why either, but I am pretty sure it is at least indirectly related to MATE.
 
lol
 
Does 'sudo service networking restart' help?
 
@JasperLoy do iwlist wlan0 scan when you get no network
 
6:15 PM
My classmate's name is Casper Roy ;p
 
@terdon OK, I will try next time and see.
@Braiam OK.
@Utkarsh Really? Cool.
 
There might be some MATE specific thing screwing things up but I don't really see how. This is about managing hardware and all DEs will use the same drivers etc. Perhaps you've just used MATE more so you only see the problem there?
 
Hmm, I have used GNOME and Unity quite a lot too the past few months, never once was there internet problem, never once.
 
isn't this changing the meaning of the question to fit the answer? askubuntu.com/review/suggested-edits/235964
IMO, someone told me not to do that
 
@Utkarsh Why are you using someone else's avatar again?
 
6:17 PM
@Braiam One should never change the meaning of the question, never ever.
@Seth Why did you decide to not show your face?
 
@Seth no, its mine
 
@Utkarsh Sounds like a creature in LOTR, lol.
 
@JasperLoy It was only supposed to be temporary, but I don't have a good picture of me to replace it with so..
 
@Seth I see, I think you look cute in all your pics.
 
@Utkarsh Alex had it first AFAIK..
 
6:19 PM
@Seth is this one okay?
 
Well, no one else is using it, so I'd think so.
 
@Seth but, it is a drug, cannabis. So, .....
 
I know.
 
So, can someone tell me why I got 4 stars in this room?
 
@JasperLoy why not? It can be useful for very specific questions that have gotten a great general answer for example. Modifying the question to make it more general can help finding it.
 
6:21 PM
> I know that you can press Alt + F1 after grub to open to cli, but it only stays up for a second and then it just continues onto gdm and I can' do anything.
 
@JasperLoy maybe you are Funny ;p
 
@JasperLoy You always get stars when you come :)
 
sighs
 
It's like a unwritten rule, star Jasper when he comes to the Ubuntu room.
 
I see, thanks, I love stars.
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6:22 PM
OMG! Its working!
 
And that particular post was closed as too broad, editing it to make it more specific might be a good idea.
 
I hope that Windows 9 will revert to the look of 7.
 
Ugh, those old full screen installation wizards. Bring back bad memories.. and some good ones.
 
Also, I hope that GNOME 4 will revert to the look of 2.
 
Heh, I remember having to install win95 from a stack of floppies. No good memories there.
 
6:23 PM
@Seth I find it cool! (I have spent only 5 years on computer)
First windows i used was, windows 7
 
@terdon well the answer didn't answered the question in it's original form...
he edited the question to fit the answer, but OP is not really interested in how much is Ubuntu translated, but how helpful is the community around a language
 
@JasperLoy as, windows 8 has reverted the look of windows 3.1
 
btw, wow, all answers at >1 askubuntu.com/q/433609/169736
 
@Braiam I know, but the edited question might actually be useful so why not edit?
 
6:25 PM
It seems quite hard to get one's answer upvoted on AU.
 
@JasperLoy yes, you are right
 
I once had an AU account, but I deleted it.
 
@JasperLoy Not a lot of voters here :-/
It's an ongoing problem we're working on.
 
@Seth Yeah, or you can get people to become more generous with votes.
 
@JasperLoy you can't fix people :/
 
6:27 PM
@JasperLoy We need both.
 
@Braiam Never seen anyone else with your name.
 
probably never will ;)
 
@terdon r u there
 
@JasperLoy the main problem is that the vast majority of users here are essentially clueless about their systems. So they upvote wrong answers and downvote good ones. sigh
 
6:29 PM
@Braiam You're a BIG fan of LP?
 
I should learn LaTeX too.
anyway, got to run for now.
 
@AvinashRaj ?? Just talk to me, if I'm here I'll answer. That's kinda like asking "Are you awake?" :)
 
@Seth yeah maybe
 
@Seth YES! LaTeX is wonderful! You'll have to use a proper editor though :P
 
@terdon My favourite is TeXworks!
 
6:30 PM
@terdon like emacs ;)
 
@terdon i'm just close to the answer for this question
 
I was also thinking of trying emacs..
 
@Braiam yup, I said proper :P
 
anyone remembers it?
 
@AvinashRaj I really don't want to get involved in that. There seems to be a war going on.
 
6:31 PM
ls /usr/share/applications | xargs -I{} awk 'NR==1, NR==6' {} | awk -F '=' '/Name=/ { print $2 }' - | sort -u
 
@Utkarsh Of course we do, we're not all adolescents...
 
Utkarsh likes to delete pictures, lol.
 
@AvinashRaj remember ~/.local/share/applications/ too, as we said before. But what in the world are you doing there? Have a look at radu's answer for example
 
Oh by the way, what happened to Miss Peachy?
Does she still come to this chat?
 
@JasperLoy mocchan?
 
6:33 PM
And why do you assume that Name will be the 1st or 6th line? Basically, your first awk is either harmful or irrelevant. The second is enough if you want to do it that way.
 
@Braiam Not sure about that. Are they the same?
 
@terdon Radu didn't update his answer yet.
 
@JasperLoy dunno
 
@JasperLoy No.
I was told something happened around the Philippine cyclone.
 
@AvinashRaj : for app in ~/.local/share/applications/*.desktop; do echo "${app:37:-8}"; done
 
6:34 PM
no @terdon
 
but i think I am in the wrong. She has registered a visit a couple days ago.
 
askubuntu.com/a/435082/202806 answer is partially correct
but he fails to include the code
 
I think I will give Ubuntu 14.04 LTS one last try before I give up on Unity for good.
Also, I will try Ubuntu GNOME 14.04 LTS one last time before I give up GNOME.
 
@JasperLoy come to the dark side (Debian) :P
 
Then I will try to stick to MATE!
 
6:35 PM
you can check by, gedit /usr/share/applications/totem.desktop
 
@Braiam Been there, Jessie will have MATE in its repos.
I hope that Jessie will have a live MATE DVD provided.
 
look at the name field under desktop entry, it says Videos.So videos would be the application name that was displayed while pressing super+A, not totem @terdon
 
doubt so... debian is moving to XFCE
 
@Braiam No decisions have been made though, methinks.
 
@AvinashRaj what does the name field have to do with anything? And why are you all getting so worked up about this question? The answers are basically fine already.
@Braiam say what? It is?
 
6:37 PM
What I like about GNOME/Unity/Cinnamon/MATE is the application set.
 
@JasperLoy is already commited tho anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=tasksel/…
 
@AvinashRaj yes, but returning "videos" is incredibly useless. If that's what Super+A does, then I would consider it a bug personally.
 
@terdon ^
@AvinashRaj huh? Videos is an freedesktop created directory not an app
 
@Braiam huh, cool. At least they're moving away from the train wreck that gnome is becoming.
 
The only thing I hate about Mint is that I can't seem to add Google as a search engine in FF, lol.
I tried to follow the instructions somewhere but to no avail.
 
6:41 PM
@JasperLoy sure you can, which browser?
 
@terdon Firefox!
 
@Braiam name in the totem.desktop entry is videos.So it refers to the totem player.But it displays as videos on pressing super+A.
 
@AvinashRaj good heavens, there are 6 different entries in the desktop file and Videos is not the name of the program!
@JasperLoy and you don't have google in the drop down?
 
@terdon Nope, not on Mint!
 
@JasperLoy have you tried adding it from here: mycroftproject.com
 
6:43 PM
@terdon I will try next time.
 
Mint turned me on to duckduckgo which I prefer but I always added google as well when I was using default Mint.
 
Red Hat is going to sponsor CentOS, I wonder if that will affect Ubuntu.
 
@JasperLoy What do you mean? When did they not?
CentOS is a clone of RHEL
Just like Fedora is a continuation of the old RH
 
@terdon Sponsor with money to developers. It was only a clone.
 
Ah OK, and why would that affect Ubuntu in any way?
 
6:45 PM
@terdon Fedora is sponsored by Red Hat, but not CentOS in the past.
@terdon Well, maybe more people will use CentOS and turn away from Ubuntu?
 
Why? They are not remotely similar. The equivalent would be Fedora, not CentOS, that's designed for servers and extreme stability, older software etc. Who would install CentOS on a desktop?
 
Haha, maybe me.
CentOS packages are not that old actually.
As long as it functions, good.
 
But why not use Fedora? If you want a RH style system that is, why go through the hassle of setting CentOS up to do what Fedora, or other distros aimed at the end user, do out of the box?
 
@terdon To install less often? I believe one should do a reinstall at most once in two years.
 
nginx is available in RH repos?
 
6:50 PM
I don't know, but I know they don't have TeXworks, lol.
 
@JasperLoy OK, use a LTR release then. CentOS on a laptop for example is sure to be more trouble than it's worth.
 
But CentOS 7 will be coming soon I think.
@terdon Yup, the problem is Fedora has no LTS.
 
Suit yourself but it still sounds like masochism to me :)
 
Hehe, I like to experiment with different distros.
I am currently on Point Linux, a derivative of Debian with MATE.
It's pretty good, other than the network problem mentioned.
 
You could always go for something like en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Evergreen as well
That's a link to the evergreen suse, basically LTS
 
6:54 PM
Ah, I heard about their LTS.
I must say openSUSE is one of the worst distros I have tried.
 
I used to love SuSe before Novell bought it. Made me move to Ubuntu way back when, finally weaned me off of rpm-based distros. I'd started with Mandrake, then RH, then Fedora when that came out and then SuSe :)
On LMDE now
and loving it!
 
Mageia is actually very very good.
 
Haven't tried it, left the rpm bandwagon years ago and I get annoyed at the user-friendly innovations of such distros.
 
@terdon Regarding your comment on this question: askubuntu.com/questions/435073/… yes, he did post the same question on Superuser Q&A as you suggested so it's safe to say it's OT for here because now he gets no display on the screen at all.
 
@karel good! I don't have the rep to cast close votes here though.
Damn, I told him to include more details!
 
6:59 PM
@terdon there, I did for you...
 
@terdon not for long I think.
 
:)
 
@terdon now deal with the crap you sent yourself :P
 
Yeah, damn, I got >20k on Super User, no excuse there.
Oh, he did add more details actually.
 
@terdon i swore off rpm based distros as well...
 
7:07 PM
Yeah, apt is better. Yum is pretty good though, despite rpm's failings
 
hah profile views just hit 4321 ;) anomalies are fun. anyway, i started on something rpm based... then went to a community college that did the redhat academy thing. fixed some grading scripts that were in error. and was all "They can't write grading scripts for people that pay thousands a year. Do I trust them to manage my OS?" -- No.
 
this need more reopen votes askubuntu.com/questions/59489/…
 
7:33 PM
@terdon me, I started with fedora 4 - 8 then Ubuntu 8.04 + from then
 
oh i started with 13.04 :-)
Before that i runned BT5R3
 
after fedora i was all over the place. i finally stopped on ubuntu because it just works. now it's about making all the niggly bits that i want just work on something that just works for most of my hardware.
 
yeah, I've been trying to install steam or debian on this one box, I think I might just install ubuntu instead an throw the steam wallpaper and plymouth theme on it
 
steam just worked for me... i like the idea of debian, but if i have to choose between spending 8 hours getting it the way i want, or spinning it up installing an IDE and writing something? it's not even a choice.
 
7:58 PM
@hbdgaf yeah, that's how I felt the first time I tried Ubuntu. The I tried Mint wich worked much better (at least at the time) on my laptop(s). First time I ever installed a distro that had wifi out of the box.
 
@terdon Mint is evil and the bane of my existence. It's a religion thing.
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lol, why?
If you can live with Ubuntu why can't you live with Mint?
 
That's the best way I've ever heard that put.
 
all the niggly bits work out of the box on every mint install I've tried. Can't say that of any other distro. They focus on laptops and hardware recognition, building on the great work already done by Ubuntu
 
your bits and my bits are not the same. the bits i want don't work anywhere ootb
Fewest degrees of separation + xubuntu(i don't use mainline) + all the things i really need to use just work + i understand how to make things just work without that much additional work.
 
8:03 PM
and I like orange better than green ;)
 
Oh, yeah, Ubuntu is the best out of the box experience I've seen (apart from Mint), no argument there. Especially if you're not using unity
Anything that works ootb in Ubuntu should also do so in Mint, + whatever fixes they've added. What fails for you?
 
i'm not going to fight the unity thing. i liked xfce before unity made me use it instead of a gnome derivative. mint is just a DE for me. nothing more. and i like xfce
it's also a fork of a more than substantial code-base with not enough people to maintain it... so i'm just seeing things before they happen.
 
I'm very happy with my LMDE never want to go back to an Ubuntu base, but how is Mint a DE? It's just a branded Ubuntu, minimal changes, just some nice tools. They even use the same kernels and everything.
 
@terdon that is what you guys keep telling yourselves...
 
@Mateo Hey, I'm not on Mint (classic) anymore. All I know is that I stopped having to spend ages tweaking stuff for my laptop hardware to be recognized the moment I switched to Mint :)
 
8:09 PM
If I experience that I'll switch, but I know how many questions I close as OT due to Mint inconsistencies...
 
@hbdgaf You want to count the Ubuntu inconsistencies I see on this site?
Not recommending you change, despite what some may think Linux is all about choice. You use whatever works for you. All I'm saying is that Mint has always worked better for me.
 
this needs another vote askubuntu.com/q/388541/169736
 
Though my next install will probably be arch. Arch is great if you know your way around the system (sucks if you don't of course)
Had to share:
 
That's fair. I've run my numbers on things that just work on Debian for me vs things that work on Ubuntu for me vs things that work on Mint for me, and I found my youtube.com/watch?v=boj75h3urLU
 
Could you try taking the first photos again, this time without sneezing at the same time? — terdon 5 mins ago
lol
 
8:12 PM
@terdon I like the concept of arch, I just want other people to be able to use my things en masse, and arch doesn't do that.
 
Oh yeah, arch is for geeks. But that describes me so I'm all for it :)
And they do have the best documentation of any distro. By far.
Of course, they have to.
 
@terdon I do not disagree
I have told users more than once to read the arch-wiki to understand something that is not adequately documented on the Ubuntu wiki
If I didn't care about redist, I would just use arch. It would be simpler. I do though. Having millions of people able to use something is more important than getting my nerdgasm from a massively tweaked installation.
 
8:37 PM
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Q: Wine not work propaly in ubuntu

MichaeleI am using wine1.7 on my laptop sony vaio whit ubuntu 13.10, and it has a lot of installation problems of missing installtion file, and hard to get install but try sudo apt-get update sudo apt-get install wine1.4 sudo apt-get install winetricks I installed then q4-wine whit works perfect, and t...

 
@AskUbuntuMeta he probably got a "we are not accepting more questions from this account"
 
9:02 PM
 
9:32 PM
nice... all the awesome people showed up ;)
 
Any network experts? Does this make sense?
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Q: How to make Ubuntu honor "ignore-hosts" proxy settings for IPv6?

ThiagoCMCI just did under "dconf-editor", System => Proxy => ignore-hosts, the following content: ['localhost', '127.0.0.0/8', '::1', '192.168.0.1', '2000::/3'] But, Google Chrome (and "apt-get update / upgrade") is just ignoring this settings. For example, my Proxy Server (Ubuntu with Squid3) is in d...

That should all be configurable in /etc/hosts right?
 
I'm starting to regret going with AMD instead of Nvidia...
 
Don't regret it. Commit to doing the right thing and forget the rest of it.
 
I'm having trouble finding a working driver for my R9 270X.
 
@hbdgaf why is it the right thing? Nvidia tends to have far better support for *nix right?
@Braiam you might like this post :P
 
9:41 PM
@terdon Not always.
 
@NathanOsman I'm really no expert. I've used both and have tended to have better luck with nvidia is all. Is one or the other now recognized as the undisputed leader?
 
Probably not. If you have an older card, I think the open-source Radeon driver works very well.
 
@terdon amd/ati has a more agnostic opencl framework with an opencl simulator for one thing. another is that it's cheaper per stream processing unit generally. another is that even linus has something to say about nvidia ;) my ati card didn't run as hot as my nvidia card...
 
Well, about 10 years ago or so, I remember that everyone recommended ATI for Linux but most of what I read recently suggests nvidia instead.
@hbdgaf good points (though Linux has something to say about everything :)
 
fair enough.
 
9:44 PM
It works perfectly on Windows :P
Ducks.
 
even the guys from sandisk at defcon wanted some benchmarking software ported from the nvidia only layer to real opencl so they could compete in the "fastestr opencl grinding" competition with ati/amd
@NathanOsman - how do you find the motivation to code in your off-time?
 
Nearly all of my coding is in off-time :)
 
@NathanOsman yeah, yeah, we know. And it hurts, OK?
 
My actual part-time job has nothing to do with programming.
 
That's why I asked... ^^
 
9:48 PM
@terdon damn, that was supposed to be Linus, not Linux
 
we knew. i saw linus, not linux. that whole change blindness thing where your brain fills in the blanks for you
 
Nice when it works correctly innit?
 
yeah... it is. isn't it ')
 
@NathanOsman you might know, is there any stackkapp script that will let me define my own [blah] that will expand to specific links in the comments? I'd love to be able to use [xy] to link to the XY problem post on meta.so for example.
 
There is the Pro-Forma script - something like that?
 
9:54 PM
i think he wants to hook the post comment action to make [i hate this problem] to an embedded link for the same.
 
@NathanOsman dunno, I'll go find it and see
@hbdgaf yeah, just define my own keywords that expand to urls of my choosing
 
that's sort of why i used the i hate this problem tag ;) youtube.com/watch?v=AvKCib3O03g
 
@NathanOsman ah, no, I have that one.
 
In that case, I'm not aware of anything currently in existence.
 
@NathanOsman OK, thanks.
 
9:59 PM
well, I have resorted to throwing installation media across the room
 
i throw things across the room all the time. we should start a club...
 
like the putting things on top of another society? youtube.com/watch?v=1f-kfRREA8M
 
i just see things differently. it's fine that i do. it's also fine that other people may or may not understand it.
 
10:16 PM
@hbdgaf hm, dvd's work ok as frisbees the way I see it, not sure if your coming from the same place
oh, it's a "brand" spell check is being weird on that word, kind of like bandaid
@NathanOsman so how is nitroshare going? we had someone on the mac git hub recently.
 
@terdon yeah, well, that was about a good duplicated, I'm talking about the bad duplicated
 
10:42 PM
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A: Do not delete good duplicates!

mmyersI agree. As far as I'm concerned, only off-topic or unintelligible questions should be deleted; duplicates are quite useful to keep around.

 
> unintelligible questions
 
And that's SO, I'd be more lenient on the smaller sites
 
@noah1989, those are pretty much worthless and two of them have been removed. Thanks for bringing them up. — mmyers Dec 16 '11 at 15:54
 
@Braiam all I'm saying is that 88 upvotes shows there is room for opinion here and you have your thing about deleting but not everyone agrees with you.
The point is that posts that should be deleted are the exceptions, not the majority.
 
@terdon no, you are arguing that I'm wrong at trying to delete any question that I see bad, and as you can't not agree with me, I can't agree with you that they are worth of keeping them.
I'm always talking about crap, dupes, or closed, just crap worthless questions
if I see something bad that doesn't worth to be reopened I will delete it
 
10:51 PM
@Braiam No, I am arguing that you should please stop trying to convince people that your view on dealing with dupes is the official position of either the community or SE. You have your own opinions and you have every right to act as they dictate, just don't say that that is how things should be.
 
@terdon no, people are telling me how and when I should delete questions, which is what I cannot compromise
I'm not saying that you should delete them, I'm saying that I am deleting them
 
OK. In the meantime, do you have any cool aptitude tricks for this?
 
does he mean binaries?
the example confuses me...
 
Yeah, that's why I just answered for executables (I cheated). I think he actually wants all files but hey.
 
@Mateo It's still coming.
(Sorry if I'm popping in and out of here - I'm trying to reinstall Trusty.)
 
10:59 PM
that were very weird flags..
 
My computer won't boot off the startup disk I created.
Even though it did yesterday. Weird.
 
11:21 PM
Back now.
That reinstallation went fairly quick.
...and now qmlscene works again... yipee!
Now I will try very hard not to break anything :P
 
@NathanOsman DO A IMAGE! NOW!
 
But I'm on Trusty. By the time I am forced to do this again, all of the packages will be outdated anyway.
Rebooting time...
...and back. Yay! Everything still works.
 
11:52 PM
@terdon apt-file and grep with pipes...
 
@hbdgaf yes, that's what my answer does. Braiam is good with aptititude so I was wondering if he had any nifty tricks using it instead.
 
ahhh, i don't believe that exists, but it should given that you can in a terminal "blah" and if blah-package is not installed it tells you "perhaps you should install blah-package"
 
@hbdgaf that's command-not-found database, but IMO is pretty obsolete right now :/
 

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