Ask Ubuntu General Room

Roland Taylor

17:00

what did I say twice lol

okie dokie?

ObsessiveFOSS

???

Jorge Castro

25

A: Review-beta: Obviously good answer in low-quality

You caught me. We throw a few known cases into the queue* as "gotchas" to keep people from just nailing "Looks Good" or "Close" or whatever without reading the questions. If you see one of these just handle it normally, we're probably going to make them a little more... subtle over time. For n...

Hah! How clever.

msPeachy

@RolandTaylor thrice now

Roland Taylor

@msPeachy haha

Lord of Time

behold.

ObsessiveFOSS

17:03

Hello ~~all~~ @LordofTime

Lord of Time

i have arrived

note: i'm on vacation, sitting on the balcony overlooking the beach with a drink in hand, so i'm not staying long.

aking1012

@JorgeCastro so is the castrobot part of this tricky quality control system?

msPeachy

but were arrived before you

Roland Taylor

xD

msPeachy

now I'm sleepy

Roland Taylor

17:06

@msPeachy 0_o

they got you too!

msPeachy

lol, I had an hour nap earlier, not sure why I'm sleepy this early

Roland Taylor

isn't it 1:07AM there?

msPeachy

yes it is, you Google?

Roland Taylor

lol no

I just check my time and move it forward by 12 hours

msPeachy

oh I see

Roland Taylor

17:10

You're from the the future

msPeachy

lol

guess you could say that

Roland Taylor

that makes you even more awesome :D

ObsessiveFOSS

how-to-spy.com was linked in askubuntu.com/questions/14180/… and the site looks suspicious; what should I do?

msPeachy

@RolandTaylor but we're actually at the moment on the same time

ObsessiveFOSS

The same user also posted Windows-specific instructions to detect keyloggers.

msPeachy

17:13

@ObsessiveFOSS hmmn I'm not sure

@ObsessiveFOSS flag it

Roland Taylor

@msPeachy lol we need to get you a TV show

msPeachy

huh? why?

ObsessiveFOSS

@msPeachy Spam or other?

aking1012

i'm not sure the poster grasps that it's askubuntu not askwindows. check his other answer. they both target microsoft products

ObsessiveFOSS

The site just looks suspicious. It's a scam.

People: What flag reason am I to use?

msPeachy

17:17

@ObsessiveFOSS up to you, I'd choose other and specify your reason

George Edison

I'm going to do a simple diff of the build directory after running configure for both the original and patched copies of gettext.

msPeachy

@RolandTaylor ¯_(ツ)_/¯

ObsessiveFOSS

@msPeachy Don't visit the link! Suspicious Javascript!

Roland Taylor

@msPeachy hahaha 5 times!

msPeachy

@ObsessiveFOSS too late already did

Roland Taylor

17:19

sorry I didn't answer the why - I was afk

ObsessiveFOSS

@msPeachy I hope you're on a Linux system now...

Roland Taylor

You need a TV show cause you're from the future - a time traveler

we'll call you Dr. Peachy

msPeachy

@ObsessiveFOSS I am on Oneiric

Roland Taylor

(and Dr. Who fans start rioting)

ObsessiveFOSS

Still, worry.

msPeachy

17:20

@RolandTaylor Oh lol, and you'll be the episode writer?

Roland Taylor

@msPeachy ofc course :D

msPeachy

@ObsessiveFOSS why worry?

ObsessiveFOSS

Possibly infected site...

Same user uses a suspicious shortlink... askubuntu.com/a/175625/54298

msPeachy

Oh i see

Roland Taylor

@ObsessiveFOSS flagged for spam

msPeachy

17:22

@RolandTaylor you write it first

Roland Taylor

I edited the link out

msPeachy

then we'll talk

lol

Roland Taylor

just need to check the revision history to see the link @mods

@msPeachy haha

can I put dino in it >:}?

ObsessiveFOSS

mywot.com/en/scorecard/www.microkeylogger.com

Bad reputation; shortlinked

Amith KK

BBT

Good Night

msPeachy

17:23

@RolandTaylor as my brother? sure

Roland Taylor

The adventures of Dr. Peachy and Joker Dino :D

ObsessiveFOSS

@jrg A user has posted two links to suspicious keylogger sites, one has no mywot reputation, the other has a poor reputation.

msPeachy

lol

Roland Taylor

@msPeachy LOL

@AmithKK good night :D

msPeachy

Good night @AmithKK

Roland Taylor

17:24

now, I'm not sure how my story line would work if he is your brother :>

msPeachy

he's too young to be my leading man

lol

Roland Taylor

okay okay I'm done :D

xD

man I'm wicked sometimes

msPeachy

done with what?

Roland Taylor

lol with my joking around.... at your expense

msPeachy

oh i thought you were doing something else

jrg

17:26

@ObsessiveFOSS links?

ObsessiveFOSS

-5

A: How can I detect a keylogger on my system?

Check the task list by press Ctrl+Alt+Del in Windows. Examine all the tasks running, if you unsure of a task look it up on a search engine. Use the system configuration utility to determine which task are loaded at start-up (type msconfig in the run box to start). Run your antivirus checker, it'...

trueurl.net/service/…

jrg

handled

ObsessiveFOSS

www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/www.microkeylogger.com

@jrg Same user liks to another suspicious site: askubuntu.com/questions/14180/…

Roland Taylor

@msPeachy I was being wicked lol

jrg

handled before I got to it

Jorge Castro

17:28

flag as spam!

ObsessiveFOSS

OK.

Roland Taylor

@JorgeCastro did it

jrg

those spam flags are useful.

Marco Ceppi

@ObsessiveFOSS @jrg that user has been destroyed

ObsessiveFOSS

What's with the recent spam?

jrg

17:29

@ObsessiveFOSS fossfreedom is on vacation, thus tricking the gold watch spammers into thinking they can come after us.

Roland Taylor

@ObsessiveFOSS we have a lot of users now - we're a prime target.

ObsessiveFOSS

@jrg Ah.

Jorge Castro

it's just a company searching for "keyloggers" on google, seeing the top hits, and then target spamming

Marco Ceppi

we actually get spam all the time, believe it or not

ObsessiveFOSS

OK.

Marco Ceppi

17:30

it's nbd

ObsessiveFOSS

I've never seem so much...

Except Outlook and Yahoo Mail

Jorge Castro

there's like 2?

Marco Ceppi

We get a handful each week

ObsessiveFOSS

It's larger by an infinite factor.

Roland Taylor

@ObsessiveFOSS I think we just have more eyes now

ObsessiveFOSS

17:33

Ah.

aking1012

Sometimes I perceive a fluctuation in something, and people tell me they're not seeing it. I think it's luck of the draw and what jrg noted earlier

Roland Taylor

This wave of spam is certainly not as bad the one we had almost a year ago

We would had a wave of idiots spamming about gold watches and random generated junk

ObsessiveFOSS

How did it get resolved? Hard work? r just a mass-ban?

jrg

we just braced ourselves and flagged like crazy. Eventually, SE started catching on.

Roland Taylor

yeah

brb

back - now afk - food

ObsessiveFOSS

17:37

Sounds difficult...

msPeachy

if a post that was edited by me got deleted, do I lose rep point?

Marco Ceppi

~~no, you still edited it. Just because it was later deleted doesn't mean you never worked on it~~

jrg

depends. if its within a week, yes, otherwise, no.

(i think)

msPeachy

I'm confused. Anyway, doesn't matter. Thank you!

jrg

(i might be mistaken though)

msPeachy

17:39

@RolandTaylor what do you have?

ObsessiveFOSS

Do duplicates damage your account's good standing?

jrg

in what way?

ObsessiveFOSS

Rep-wise, other than the downvotes manually added?

jrg

Nope

ObsessiveFOSS

Also, what about migration/off-topic?

jrg

17:41

sorta and no.

ObsessiveFOSS

What do you mean by "sorta"?

jrg

migration moves the rep to another site - so if we migrate to gardening for some reason, the rep you would have earned from that question gets added to your gardening account.

ObsessiveFOSS

OK.

Thanks.

Mahesh

anyone has any idea how bootstrap works?

their docs, at best, give me no clue.

jrg

context?

twitter bootstrap?

Mahesh

17:44

yup.

jrg

Read dah codez. - github.com/twitter/bootstrap

Mahesh

context-- just had a conversation with a certain someone who asked me to check it out

@jrg ah.. other than that.. no good docs?

jrg

@Mahesh there are examples all over the place.

And by that, I mean right click on the docs site.

Marco Ceppi

secleanup.com is back online, now with 80% less errors

If you're seeing API errors, your DNS sucks

Mahesh

@jrg ohkay. guess i need to be a bit more patient and read things before i ragecomplain.

aking1012

17:46

@Mahesh github.com/twitter/bootstrap/blob/master/docs/index.html

Mahesh

anyone heard of zurg?

jrg

@Mahesh nah. it's fine.

Marco Ceppi

@Mahesh I know of Zerg

jrg

@Mahesh Zurb foundation?

aking1012

Zerg yes...

@Mahesh zurg no...

Mahesh

17:47

no ideaa what its spelled. sounds like zurg or zurb, must be a web dev framework.

and my query in question looks like a googlenope. :(

jrg

@Mahesh foundation.zurb.com

Mahesh

and someone said its awesome, actually someone i better consider.

@jrg yup, that looks like it. :D thanks.

jrg

Enjoy.

George Edison

Here is the diff: paste.ubuntu.com/1147265

jrg

And I really need to clear out 1GB+ of disk space on this windows box. :(

ObsessiveFOSS

17:50

@jrg Just shovel out the useless crap in C:\WINDOWS

2

Mahesh

and , um, i am totally messed up right now, but something pulls me to ruby. I'm a zeroer, so any pointers to start at?

my read it later list is growing...

jrg

@Mahesh AH. Excellent.

Mahesh

@ObsessiveFOSS well said.

aking1012

my windows side is full, but it's tiny(MW3 and RAGE are huge)

jrg

@ObsessiveFOSS I wish. Unfortunately, I need it for classes, specially teaching.

Mahesh

17:51

You are AWESOME @jrg

jrg

@Mahesh bows thank you

Mahesh

@jrg O.o

did I read teaching

jrg

Yeah. I'm teaching web development to people, so I need Windows. Since having them install (and learn) a completely different OS is out of the question for a one day class.

Mahesh

ohkay.

Marco Ceppi

@jrg @Mahesh hackety.com

Mahesh

17:53

I'm waiting for the day when it would cease to be a 'cpompletely new OS'

ObsessiveFOSS

@jrg It's good that you teach. As they say, those that can't do teach. :P

Roland Taylor

Hi all

jrg

@MarcoCeppi @MarcoCeppi As the Linux maintainer for Hackety, No. It's broken.

Marco Ceppi

Worked for me

jrg

Windows and Mac builds are fine, the Linux builds are evil.

Marco Ceppi

17:54

As the Linux maintainer, you're not doing a very good job :)

jrg

@MarcoCeppi how long ago? That last build I did is broken on anything except 11.10 32.

we're in the middle of a rewrite. :)

Marco Ceppi

About three months ago

jrg

Interesting. Ok, yay.

Roland Taylor

@msPeachy cheese sandwhiches (or as we say here cheese cutters)

ObsessiveFOSS

I'm going to give Hackty a try...

I have no ruby experience.

Mahesh

17:55

@jrg you hulked again? (for lack of a better way to put it)

jrg

@Mahesh IM ANGRY

Marco Ceppi

There's also Code Academy

Mahesh

bah

save hulkie for something else. jus chill!!

aking1012

@GeorgeEdison what about trying ifeq ("don't", "ever"); then \

just to see if it's not evaluating if false the way you want

George Edison

Oh, good point.

jrg

17:56

@MarcoCeppi i thought that was only for javascript?

George Edison

But that really isn't the reason for the compile errors.

I'm thinking my initial patch is somehow borked.

Marco Ceppi

@jrg I thought they had ruby

but it's Python they added

jrg

@MarcoCeppi looks like they have python.

Marco Ceppi

codecademy.com/learn

msPeachy

@RolandTaylor was to make oats with milk but it's late and I might not be able to sleep if I eat.

Roland Taylor

17:57

@msPeachy oh :S

jrg

@Mahesh I recommend hackety (if you can get it to work), and then Learn Ruby the Hard Way. Both are excellent.

John S Gruber

Are circumventions to bugs on-topic or are they off-topic like the bug itself?

Roland Taylor

I recommend learning a language usable by humans.

msPeachy

@RolandTaylor :P

Roland Taylor

Something like Perl.

jrg

17:59

@RolandTaylor like Ruby.

Marco Ceppi

Everything bug related should be in a bug report, including work arounds @JohnSGruber

jrg

@RolandTaylor .... BOOOOO

Roland Taylor

/troll

@jrg :)

jrg

@JohnSGruber If it's bug related, put it in the bug report.

John S Gruber

@jrg , and @MarcoCeppi cool, thanks.

Mahesh

18:00

@jrg Noted. :)

jrg

@Mahesh tryruby.org is also useful.

It's part of my curriculum.

Mahesh

suggest a way in which I can organise notes in a sane way, without going mad.

Roland Taylor

failruby.lol is also useful

(don't try to find it, it obviously doesn't exist)

jrg

@RolandTaylor Watch it smarty pants. One of these days you'll find yourself without a friend. ;)

Roland Taylor

@jrg :O

that would be the um...

I lost count... -th time

aking1012

18:02

Man All Battle Stations, people were comparing interpreted language and nobody touted Python

5

Roland Taylor

At least nobody mentioned C# :P

(Not truly interpreted as it can be compiled to CLI assembly but yeah)

Mahesh

@aking1012 ready sir!

and python is one of those languages I like. The others being C and java. maybe its because thats all I know. :P

aking1012

@RolandTaylor you can marshal pycs directly from memory too, that doesn't make it a compile-able language...

@Mahesh /me knows enough java to know he doesn't like java.

Roland Taylor

@aking1012 true

msPeachy

I gave up, I'll do the rest of the review tomorrow. Good night everyone.

Roland Taylor

18:06

it can be compiled to native code on Windows though IIRC

msPeachy

nigh night Roland

Roland Taylor

@msPeachy good night :D

have a good rest :)

unNaturhal

Good evening people

aking1012

@RolandTaylor yes it can. small difference to me though. you can static compile the python interpreter as an object and embed a string of the main python file, then marshal all the sub-modules as strings if you want. people just don't do it.

@unNaturhal evening

Roland Taylor

@aking1012 well that is very different

unNaturhal

18:08

Could someone tell me if it's normal that Lubuntu has so much problem in transferring files/directories between two partitions? :/

Roland Taylor

@unNaturhal hi

aking1012

@RolandTaylor accomplishes most of the same use goal i think, but i see how you could view it as a large difference

Mahesh

@aking1012 ?

My brain's processing is slow right now. :/

aking1012

@unNaturhal i can't think of a case where "slow" is "normal", but i'm a tolerant kind of fellow that wants to know why it's doing it...not just be upset that it's doing it.

sounds like Psychonauts should break their engine and their game-data separately so the package download/install is fast and incremental game-data grabs could keep a 6 hour timeout from happening.

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Q: Problems with Psychonauts and the Ubuntu Software Center?

I decided to buy the Psychonauts PC game from the Ubuntu Software Center. Now, my laptop is practically empty, with only my OS and a few bits and bobs installed. The download for Psychonauts took about 6 hours, and I waited patiently for it to download the 4.4 GB. Now, however, it comes up with s...

The Interrupter

Can you answer this? Switch workspaces individually on each monitor http://askubuntu.com/q/126100?atw=1 #multiplemonitors

Tweeted by AskUbuntu on August 14, 2012 at 5:53 PM

Mahesh

18:15

@aking1012 that, deserves attention. upticked it.

unNaturhal

@aking1012 Slow? Who said that is slow? I said that it has problems.. Transfers will stop after some hours with strange errors.. I tried to pass a Directory that in the original place was 11.7GB.. when the tranfer ends (without pass everything, but just an half), the directory was 20GB....

jrg

have you tried using rsync instead of the file manager?

aking1012

@unNaturhal i took problem to mean slow not on disk size doubling. is one disk a lot larger than the other? if so disk/partition blocks could be larger, but it shouldn't exaggerate that far

unNaturhal

@jrg I don't know what is it..

@aking1012 Are two partitions, one of 64GB, and another of about 200GB (both NTFS)

George Edison

I have come to the (bizarre) conclusion that Mingw32 is somehow defining _WIN64.

...which is totally wrong and confusing.

aking1012

18:20

@GeorgeEdison what?

like you stuffed an echo/touch line into a makefile

unNaturhal

(P.S.: Nitroshare doesn't work.. when you try to pass larger files/directories, it will freeze..)

Roland Taylor

I'm gonna do some writing folks.

Cyas :D

aking1012

@unNaturhal was built in like 2 weeks. i think he could charge for it if he wanted and people would pay. just saying

unNaturhal

@aking1012 It was just a note, I won't criticize it

George Edison

@aking1012 I'm going to try adding some junk code wrapped in an ifdef _WIN64 to see what happens.

aking1012

18:23

ifdef _WIN64
  touch /tmp/ZOMG_THIS_IS_JACKED.txt
endif

@jrg you still around? do you know the canoncial dist-upgrade question?

Mahesh

whats that word for following your activity with all extra useless unwanted attention?

aaarrrrggghhh... my mind is dead.

jrg

@aking1012 as in 11.10 > 12.04 or something else?

101

Q: How do I upgrade from 10.04 or 11.10 to 12.04?

I am using Ubuntu 11.10. Please outline the different ways I can upgrade to 12.04.

11.10 10.04 upgrade 12.04 release-management

aking1012

the "you can't skip, it says that on the website. don't be a ..."

i was looking for the right one to dupe this to:
http://askubuntu.com/questions/175844/how-can-i-upgrado-to-12-0-from-11-04

I know i've seen it

Mahesh

@jrg thought that v was to point downwards. :P

jrg

OH.

hangon

24

Q: Can I skip over releases?

I am currently using Ubuntu 10.04. I know there is a 10.10 release, but can I upgrade directly to 11.04? Could you walk me through the steps please?

upgrade

that it?

aking1012

18:29

i could swear there was a blanket when you can and can't leap....that

just saw a neat status:
If someone else said to you all the bad things you tell yourself, would you still be friends with them?
*shuts up for a while*

ObsessiveFOSS

18:59

Interesting.

George Edison

19:18

IT BUILT ON LAUNCHPAD???????

code.launchpad.net/~george-edison55/+recipe/gettext-daily

aking1012

udaman

George Edison

But... how... I don't even...

Weird. Just. Plain. Weird.

ObsessiveFOSS

Congrats!

My hacking your Launchpad account has helped you!

sarcasm

@GeorgeEdison --^

George Edison

:P

ObsessiveFOSS

@GeorgeEdison You mind using your supreme knowledge of The Force to get my PHP scripts to work?

George Edison

19:22

I have to do something in a couple minutes.

But I'd love to help.

Maybe you could send me an email?

[email protected]

ObsessiveFOSS

I keep getting recursion I never included with my objects, and every time I test my system to arm wrestle over IP, I win, which is highly unrealistic.

That was meant to be sarcasm, again.

aking1012

LAMP should be re-invented as LAMD, just saying...

ObsessiveFOSS

@GeorgeEdison Don't worry, I'll be fine. I don't want to trouble you, and I doubt anyone would willingly try to read my messy code.

George Edison

I don't mind :P

ObsessiveFOSS

@GeorgeEdison No need. On the subject f your wincross PPA, any plans to build for Oneiric?

George Edison

19:26

I'm not 100% sure.

Is Mingw-w64 in Oneiric's archives?

I absolutely need a recent version of Mingw-w64 in order to build for a platform.

ObsessiveFOSS

Let me take a look.

packages.ubuntu.com/…

Yes, it's there.

jrg

19:40

@aking1012 I would be friends, but only if they were to also point out how I could improve.

ObsessiveFOSS

@jrg That could work...

aking1012

my instinctual response was "i try to be by biggest critic and my biggest fan. so it doesn't modify my world view what others think really."

jrg

@aking1012 i am also of that opinion, but I also try and keep an open mind when it comes to feedback.

ObsessiveFOSS

Is this room now very quiet?

SirCharlo

no, just you

ObsessiveFOSS

19:49

Hmm...

SirCharlo

i just love being a spam filter

jrg

me? I'm making tons of noise. you just can't hear it.

Roland Taylor

Drops a pin.

There. Noise.

deostroll

hi i am kind of facing problem reg how the desktop graphics is showing up...

any resolution? --> askubuntu.com/questions/172368/problem-with-my-desktop-graphics

SirCharlo

Needs close votes, people :)

@deostroll Like @JorgeCastro said in his comment, file it as a bug report please. Thank you!

ObsessiveFOSS

19:55

I can't do anything...

Typing race, anyone?

SirCharlo

Yeah sure

yawns

ObsessiveFOSS

@SirCharlo I have some injuries so I can;t go above 50 WPM without pain... but I'll try...

play.typeracer.com/?rt=trrarkenin

jrg

i'll type with one hand then

ObsessiveFOSS

@jrg No need.

SirCharlo

um... im at work so i cant concentrate whistles

ObsessiveFOSS

20:04

Ow.

jrg

@ObsessiveFOSS respectable time.

ObsessiveFOSS

@jrg Not really...

Well, that was fun...

jrg

heh. it could be addicting.

ObsessiveFOSS

Yes. It's my only way to getting 60's to 70's...

Somehow, it still considers me Pro.

jrg

it's based off your average.

ObsessiveFOSS

20:08

No. I've really overrun the average by trying to rehabilitate.

I just made a stencil to spray-paint my identicon onto my 84.

jrg

now thats an interesting use for a gravatar.

jrg

20:37

Mine is boring.

aking1012

@ObsessiveFOSS at one point i wanted to get a tribal-ish snake down my arms and stencil the same down the side of my vehicle

i'm scared-ish of snakes so it was like force hard-touch therapy

jrg

well aren't you a cruel one.

aking1012

doing it to myself...so...not really i think

jrg

self inflicted forced therapy is kind of an oxymoron... isn't it?

aking1012

only if it's easily reversible...which this wouldn't have been

jrg

20:41

I think that would have turned you into a nervous wreck.

aking1012

see i have this thing with making hard decisions then sticking too them (both a talent and a fault)

jrg

snorts some talent.

aking1012

it came in handy when i rode a bicycle 13 mi each way to work...

@jrg on the open to feedback thing, me too...i revised the kickstarter draft that @adempewolff was kind enough to read through

jrg

@aking1012 oh, you wrote a draft? Mind sending it to me?

aking1012

sure...just a sec

@jrg are you on my G+ list or just linkedin?

jrg

20:45

@aking1012 both i think

aking1012

you should see it

jrg

reading

mateo_salta

21:00

do we have a "my computer randomly shuts down, what to look into" master question?

aking1012

@mateo_salta see if you find anything in the first page of shutdown views:1 search query

wait...that only sort of works...

jrg

61

Q: What should I do when Ubuntu freezes?

All operating systems freeze sometimes, and Ubuntu is no exception. What should I do to regain control when... just one program stops responding? nothing at all responds to mouse clicks or key presses? the mouse stops moving entirely? In what order should I try various solutions before decidi...

freeze troubleshooting debugging

15

Q: How to debug suspend?

I've been using Ubuntu for about five years now, and I still can't make it suspend when I want to. It's quite irritating that I can program up a storm, hack the machine in numerous other ways, and yet, and yet when I try to make it suspend or debug suspend, I fail miserably. I need help. Where...

10.10 suspend suspend-resume

one of those two should help

mateo_salta

yeah, the suspend one is quite similar

thank you @jrg , I guess most of the other ones end up as "off-topic" or "too-localized"

just get a lot of "It could be anything! try this.... and post the output" for answers

doesn't look close enough for a dupe...

aking1012

21:19

@jrg you've got a download link now too. the shell script in workspace/usr/bin should just work as long as you have python, pygi, and bash

The Interrupter

Can you answer this? Bluetooth is not working properly on a Dell XPS 15 http://askubuntu.com/q/73723?atw=1 #dell

Tweeted by AskUbuntu on August 14, 2012 at 8:53 PM

aking1012

21:41

o/ @jana, if you have a question just post it on main. some of us check entering users that don't have voice yet for open questions

Luis Alvarado

21:55

Anybody know of a very good app to record from a mic without the static in the background?

aking1012

@LuisAlvarado just use whatever app at high sensitivity then follow the sox guidelines for reducing noise

linux.die.net/man/1/sox

Luis Alvarado

@aking1012 - That application sox!

aking1012

sox is the bees knees

Luis Alvarado

cool did not know about the rec -n

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