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@wisemonkey Say I wanted to write the next uber cool app for Ubuntu, and I needed to add to the Notifications area, Python would be my goto? (Windows I would do all in c#)

Octavian Damiean

@htorque Linus is hilarious in most of his mails though. It is really worth a read. :)

htorque

yeah, he definitely is :)

Octavian Damiean

7:35 PM

lkml.org/lkml/2011/12/20/258

He is the drill sergeant of the kernel army. :D

wisemonkey

@rlemon: u r asking question to a completely wrong person -- I'm hardware engineer :P

have no freaking idea

but I heard something dependent on python is being used these days

htorque

@OctavianDamiean you need such guys, else everything would fall apart

Octavian Damiean

nods

htorque

and kernel drama is usually hilarious

Octavian Damiean

heh

rlemon

7:38 PM

@wisemonkey yea, I'm hardware / web / winforms

wisemonkey

nice

then we can do it together :P

Octavian Damiean

lkml.org/lkml/2011/12/20/288

I can't stop grinning.

rlemon

damn, I want to know but am afraid if I ask I will sound uber noobish...

wisemonkey

u won't learn otherwise

rlemon

so in Windows - if I wanted to do Anything winforms I would rely on c#. In Ubuntu / linux, what is the goto language?? is it python?

Octavian Damiean

7:40 PM

@rlemon Don't worry.

wisemonkey

I just ask at max people flame me :P

no harm there

rlemon

or am I just going from c# to c/c++

Octavian Damiean

There is GTK+ which provides widgets, signals and stuff like that.

rlemon

basically what is the OO language of choice for Linux.

Octavian Damiean

On Ubuntu it currently is Python.

wisemonkey

7:42 PM

yup gtk+ and something new based on python I forgot name but it was funky :(

@AmithKK: no its Ubuntu 11.10

htorque

> Don't have millions of lines of duplicate definitions for crap that nobody cares about.

hehe

Octavian Damiean

:D

rlemon

ok, and Python (literally know nothing about it, other than a few articles i've read here and there) would allow me to modify the OS and tie into things like notifications??

wisemonkey

yeey my first silver badge

@rlemon: blog.fpmurphy.com

see if that helps :)

I guess its javascript for extensions

rlemon

so to sum it up - to develop and contribute to the ubuntu community (assuming I already know C#, (can work with c/c++), and web crap (PHP, ASP, JavaScript, ect..) what languages and tools should I begin to equip myself with.

Marco Ceppi

7:46 PM

@jrg TouchPad came :)

rlemon

@wisemonkey seriously... omg this will be epic.

Icedrake

Woo yeaaah!

100 on my calc exam!

I am pumped, lol.

htorque

grats

100/500? :P

Icedrake

100/100 :P

Now I can maintain my sweet 99% average in that class

Octavian Damiean

@rlemon Well, you can try to find a project that uses C#, although as far as I know mono got removed from the disk so they are moving away from it. If you know C/C++ you can help with a lot of projects!

Qt uses C++ among others.

wisemonkey

7:48 PM

@rlemon: thats wat I could find :)

Octavian Damiean

You could help with juju-gui for example.

rlemon

well c/c++ I am having to brush back up on (covered it in school, but never actually needed it for work thus far so it's gone the way of the dodo)

Octavian Damiean

It is a project started by our very own George which is in Qt C++.

rlemon

i keep plugging c# as an example (it's the most complete OO language I know)

Octavian Damiean

Then you should take a look at Python. ;)

wisemonkey

7:52 PM

@rlemon: heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/~matloff/Python/PythonIntro.html

Octavian Damiean

Everything is an object.

However Ubuntu slowly appears to move away from Python.

It was Vala for some time and now it seems to be Go.

It doesn't harm to take a look at both.

That is Python and Go.

wisemonkey

ohh yea Vala I was thinking Vola for sometime :-/

damn it if people gonna name it "Go" how hard that makes it to search

rlemon

@OctavianDamiean Seriously.. 'Go'? Next they'll want you to use Dart

Octavian Damiean

As long as it isn't Brainfuck I'm totally happy. :D

Go is pretty good actually.

rlemon

So is dart... but there is better.

htorque

7:56 PM

it's google - it must be evil. :P

rlemon

Google just likes to make shit up

Octavian Damiean

However I fell in love with Python and will stick to it.

rlemon

wasn't Go supposed to be the Java Killer? and Dart the JavaScript Killer?

Octavian Damiean

Scala is the Java killer.

I'm not sure if I'd call Go the Scala killer though.

rlemon

JavaScript > Java > Dart
I can't comment on Go - looked at it and turned away

Java is just a messy language

Octavian Damiean

7:58 PM

I'm from the Java world and I can say that pretty much everything is above Java.

rlemon

I would run over my own mother trying to avoid writing Java.

htorque

yeah right, nobody in the real world is looking for JEE programers ;)

Octavian Damiean

Well they are but for very very wrong reasons.

rlemon

lessonsoffailure.com/software/…

Octavian Damiean

One of them is consultants that are from the computer stone age so they stick with those technologies from the computer stone age.

wisemonkey

8:01 PM

@jrg: geekdreams.dyndns.info/pratik/myConky.tar.gz

Octavian Damiean

He was looking at the wrong language for really awesome concurrency support. He should have taken a look at Scala.

wisemonkey

@jrg: geekdreams.dyndns.info/pratik/clock_rings.lua

Octavian Damiean

I mean seriously ... consultants that still recommend something being written in Java should get slapped with a trout.

htorque

i don't care too much about the language. solving the actual problem is usually the harder part. :P

wisemonkey

umm u guys r confusing me I was planning to learn OO with java now I dunno :(

Octavian Damiean

8:04 PM

Well of course it is but you don't have to impose a lot of extra problems on your development department just because you use a badly designed programming language.

@wisemonkey go with Python.

rlemon

@wisemonkey seriously... learn OO with JavaScript

Octavian Damiean

Uhm, I'm going to say no.

rlemon

in strict_mode

Octavian Damiean

JavaScript is awesome but also pretty flawed.

rlemon

@OctavianDamiean it's a matter of opinion here - js haters are haters because they expect a strict typed language. js is elegant and beautiful because of this.

flaws or undocumented features ;) ???

wisemonkey

8:06 PM

ok I go python then

Octavian Damiean

I don't like strictly typed languages ... on the contrary.

That is why I love Python because it is dynamically typed.

rlemon

@OctavianDamiean i have to defend on the average complaint :D

wisemonkey

well I think if I learn one other should be pretty much similar right?

rlemon

@wisemonkey most OO languages follow similar conventions

Octavian Damiean

However the more design pattern usage required the more it shows that the language is broken.

htorque

8:08 PM

x86 assembly, C, haskell - that's all you need (OOP is a waste of time). xD

wisemonkey

yup then will start with python hopefully by month end I'll know a bit to help people

@htorque already know assembly and c

Octavian Damiean

@rlemon If you want to know more about why I said that JS is flawed I recommend the book JavaScript: The Good Parts by Douglas Crockford

htorque

then go with python

rlemon

@OctavianDamiean read it, own it, love it. Disagree the language is flawed. Flawed would infer it does not work as I expect it to..

Octavian Damiean

Which it sometimes just doesn't. :D

rlemon

8:10 PM

@htorque Magnetized needle and a steady hand.

Octavian Damiean

Well that is probably not correctly phrased.

It is flawed in terms of design.

htorque

@rlemon :D

rlemon

@OctavianDamiean Bingo!

the design as specified by ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-262.htm

but it is an interpreted language - so the 'flaws' are based on the vendors implementation

not the language itself.

Octavian Damiean

Don't get me wrong, I like JS myself but I just wouldn't recommend it as a OOP beginners language.

rlemon

I like to run a few times before I crawl..

makes crawling seem easier.

Octavian Damiean

8:13 PM

With Python you never crawl, you always fly.

3

rlemon

LISP GO SPRY A# K HT

Lets go fly a kite

in programming languages

htorque

10 BEEP
20 GOTO 10

all you need

i miss goto.

rlemon

10 HOME
20 SWEET
30 GOTO 10

Octavian Damiean

@htorque Because it was so much fun debugging programs that use it? :P

htorque

don't write bugs. :P

rlemon

8:22 PM

@htorque you must be a Business Analyst.

htorque

almost :D

Octavian Damiean

Don't tell me you are a consultant.

htorque

lol

Octavian Damiean

One that recommends Java.

htorque

i use java, so i don't recommend it. :D

Octavian Damiean

8:28 PM

Then it isn't bad if you are a consultant. :P

htorque

i just realized that i have gnome-shell installed. i log into that as frequently as i boot into windows. >:D

\o/ unity \o/

wisemonkey

I didn't like unity that much

I stick with shell

Octavian Damiean

Even with the adult content scope released?! :P

htorque

lol

Octavian Damiean

The comments on that OMG! Ubuntu! article are hilarious.

wisemonkey

8:35 PM

ohh I gotta read comments

htorque

i try hard to not read comments on the internet - it's a waste of time most of the time.

wisemonkey

well thats exactly why I read comments if I can't waste my time :P

htorque

i prefer watching youtube clips about cute little animal babies :D

wisemonkey

I never even think of youtube

htorque

►

2

try it :D

Octavian Damiean

8:38 PM

Neither do I but I wanted to know the community's stance on that topic.

htorque

wouldn't your "adult activity" get logged by zeitgeist? :D

wisemonkey

Ubuntu 13.04 Fapping Ferret

hahaha

Octavian Damiean

@htorque I don't know. Obviously I don't have that scope installed.

rlemon

Octavian Damiean

That is so awesome ... I want it!

wisemonkey

8:44 PM

@OctavianDamiean: which book/link would u suggest to start with python?

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Octavian Damiean

@wisemonkey My Python beginner book was on German unfortunately so I'm probably not the best one to ask about beginner books for Python but I can recommend two intermediate Python books.

However I heard that A Byte of Python should be good.

wisemonkey

sure I would go with intermediate as long as I can keep up with them if I can't then will check for beginners :)

I'll look at it and how about learnpythonthehardway.org just cause I like it hard way :P

Octavian Damiean

amazon.com/Programming-Python-Mark-Lutz/dp/0596158106/…

This is really an intermediate book.

amazon.com/Python-Cookbook-Alex-Martelli/dp/0596007973/…

This is a book with practical examples. I recommend both together.

wisemonkey

ok then now starting some reading

thanks :)

Octavian Damiean

8:50 PM

However make sure to get a printed copy of them.

1.) Because they are good books.
2.) It is fun to have a 1600 pages book in your shelf.
3.) For your eyes sake.

wisemonkey

yup yup

Octavian Damiean

This one will be my next book.

amazon.com/Learning-Python-Powerful-Object-Oriented-Programming/…

wisemonkey

lol I'll first go through the first 2

Octavian Damiean

After I finished the Official Ubuntu Book and the Official Ubuntu Server Book (which arrived today).

I love books.

wisemonkey

whoa I can't read paper this much

I prefer screen

htorque

8:56 PM

reading? isn't there an app for that? :D

Octavian Damiean

If I could I'd have them give me the knowledge intravenous.

i know kung fu.

love it

Yea like that.

finally got around to decorating ^

htorque

:D

Octavian Damiean

9:12 PM

Awesome!

rlemon

10:00 PM

Goodbye Moon!

jrg

11:34 PM

Wrong window. :l

rlemon

ball mouse is dead
left with two hundred four
of my dearest friends

^ haiku titled MOUSE Y U NO WORK?!

:( you can't work the chat properly without a mouse... i'll need to make a userscript for that

jrg

@rlemon I work it fine without a mouse.

it's just everything else that drives me crazy

rlemon

i can't dismiss my snowman.

can't hit reply

can't edit

and takes like a bijillion years to tab through this page with all of it's anchors

bbl going to buy a new mouse.

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