Game Development

Almo

00:46

@StephaneHockenhull hmm not sure

I was able to get it to work properly by plugging it in to the back of the puter. the cable was long enough, fortunately.

GDSE Meta

01:08

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Q: There is a tag for 'chess', should there be a tag for 'pong', 'breakout', 'snake' and 'pac-man'?

I asked a while ago a question about whether we needed the tag for chess, and the community felt that, yes, we needed the tag. Tags being there to help users find interesting question, I see often new game devs asking questions about 'simple' games such as 'pong', 'breakout', 'snake' and 'pac-m...

Alexandre Vaillancourt

I write meta questions only to see them posted here.

John Hamilton

08:15

@AlexandreVaillancourt all of those tags are useless imho

Ricardo Alves

08:45

good morning fellow gamers

Blue

Morning

tips hat

Lasse

yo

user92578

09:06

sup

Lasse

10:05

Unity all of sudden logged me out and didn't let me log back in

First it said service unavailable and then it said my username and password were incorrect

great tool, such wow

John Hamilton

They're on to you Lasse. Wipe it all, wipe everything!

Lasse

At least offline mode worked

jgallant

I'm annoyed at how phones get software fucked after the 2 year mark

Oh your quad core 4gb phone is not working as good as it did 2 years ago? Better get an upgrade

Here is an idea, stop putting shit I never asked for on my phone

That I fucken paid for and own.

Step up gov. Fix this shit.

John Hamilton

I don't know what you mean. My GM Discovery and I have been happy for over 4 years :o

Lasse

10:23

I got nexus 6, it has zero bloat software

Chris McFarland

iPhone 5s from 2013 is still going strong (wife's been using it for a couple years since I upgraded to a 6S+)

Lasse

it's pretty much the reason I got it

John Hamilton

I only had shit like facebook and I removed all of that.

jgallant

HTC M8 locked by Bell

every update they fuck it up more

Literally every update, it breaks something, adds bloatware, and removes features I used

Chris McFarland

buying a locked phone sounds like the issue

jgallant

10:26

what the fuck is the point of updating if you are removing value?

Oh yeah no shit man

i.imgur.com/A3tMiwx.gifv

John Hamilton

stealth action games be silly

I love them to death but most of them are pretty silly

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@JohnHamilton :)

@jgallant LOL

Jason4Ever

10:43

Can i ask general question , if you are a java developer (Client, Web) , and started enter Games World (C#, Unity) , and have a dream (start up) to build a game . at the same time you can develop something else on Web world (Java) [Easier case if i'm already a java developer) .. both will take time to be achieved , if you were me , what will you choose to start with

jgallant

Don't do it.

There is no glory in game dev.

Kromster

@Jason4Ever just start doing what you like to do

jgallant

c# is easy to pick up coming from java

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Jason4Ever Why would you develop a game AND develop something else at the same time? Do you have to buy food? Do you have to pay the rent, the electricity bills and your clothes?

Jason4Ever

@Kromster , i like both but i see challenge in Games' world is better, just have some worries about this way especially it's a new for me and completely different from the web world + still learning

jgallant

10:46

If you are doing it for the challenge, then do it

Because that was my motivation

The business world is a joke.

Kromster

@Jason4Ever why not keeping it a hobby till you gain more confidence?

jgallant

After working on business apps for 10 years, there isn't much new to learn, you just know how to do it

John Hamilton

Don't bother with the web world unless you plan on making your game completely free (as in armorgames stuff) or free to play (not fun to develop, might make a lot of money but they fail most of the time if they're small time game devs).

jgallant

Game development however, provides me with goals and challenges that I can accomplish, and visually see the output as an extra bonus

Kromster

@jgallant how about growing to higher-level-of-abstraction in BI/BigData/etc?

doppelgreener

10:48

@jgallant [leans in real close and whispers quietly] you're in the business world

[jgallant doesn't sleep again for weeks]

jgallant

lol.. yeah this world sucks.

@Kromster there is always something new to learn, but it isn't neccesarily exciting or useful for my work

Kromster

@jgallant haha, this reminds me of me )

John Hamilton

@jgallant speak for yourself, I'm getting all the glory I ever wanted from my game :D

doppelgreener

Always definitely focus on one project at a time in your business.

jgallant

lol yeah sure John

John Hamilton

10:49

Absolutely. My mom loves it to death.

doppelgreener

If you can work on a web app, or on a game, pick one and complete it first.

Jason4Ever

the idea is you know the web world is almost full with big competitors . i see the chance in starting up a small business from Games' world is better

John Hamilton

That's more adoration than I can already handle

user92578

uuuh nope

doppelgreener

The games world is also full with big competitors.

jgallant

10:49

LOL

Game world is also growing ridiculously fast.

Everyone expects free.

doppelgreener

AAA (video game industry)

An AAA game (usually pronounced "triple A game") is an informal classification used for video games with the highest development budgets and levels of promotion. AAA game development is associated with high economic risk, with high levels of sales required to obtain profitability. In the mid 2010s the term AAA+ began to be used, describing AAA type games that generated additional revenue over time in a similar fashion to MMOs by using software as a service (SaaS) methods, such as season passes or expansion packs. The term is analogous to the film industry term "blockbuster". Even though the 3 A...

Indie game

An independent video game (commonly referred to as an indie game) is a video game that is created without the financial support of a publisher. Indie games often focus on innovation and rely on digital distribution. Indie gaming saw a rise in the latter half of the 2000s, primarily due to new online distribution methods and development tools. Some indie games have been very successful financially, such as Braid, World of Goo, Flow, and Minecraft. == Overview == There is no exact, widely accepted definition of what constitutes an "indie game", however, indie games generally share certain c...

Kromster

@doppelgreener there are hundreds of niches however, for Indies

jgallant

The term "Indie" is shit now

John Hamilton

Too many sodding games - Pilot episode

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jgallant

millionaires call themsevles indie.

doppelgreener

10:50

you have games made by enterprises that rival film crews in size, and you have thousands of games made by small teams of 1-10 people

jgallant

OH YEAH I'M TOTALLY INDIE BRO

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Jason4Ever Nope. Most likely, your web app will be faster to market, with less bugs, and you'll be able to make money faster out of it.

doppelgreener

@jgallant indie only ever meant small independent teams. If Notch went to make a new game all on his own, he'd be Indie.

Chris McFarland

Web apps are like, oh yep it runs

jgallant

There are much better ways to generate money than gamedev.

Kromster

10:51

if you care about money - find some target audience first

Jason4Ever

hmmm , so do you think it's impossible for one person to build a game alone (Graphic+code) to makes money ?

Kromster

@Jason4Ever highly unlikely

jgallant

YES

Chris McFarland

Yes, you can make money
But being 100% sustainable as your only source of income to pay bills and food, it's a gamble

Jason4Ever

Respect

jgallant

10:52

Its impossible, that is why a bunch of people have done it

John Hamilton

I have a graphics guy and I'm coding the whole game myself, I've not made enough profit to justify entering the android store

Kromster

@Jason4Ever FlappyBird is already invented, we can move on xD

doppelgreener

It is entirely possible, in other words.

and has been done many times

user92578

Chris here is a great example of doing it

John Hamilton

Entirely possible, highly improbable

Alexandre Vaillancourt

10:53

@Jason4Ever If you need money to live, don't start by doing indie games, start with a job that pays, hoard the money until you can live for 2 years without working, then go for it.

jgallant

Tyyppi also

doppelgreener

there are also people who've invested their time in making crap games who have not really broken even on the inestment

jgallant

I made 2 crap gaqmes

by myself

Blue

I'd call that shitty investment.

doppelgreener

IMO game development is a labour of love. Don't do it for the money, because there's no guarantee of any.

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John Hamilton

10:54

@Blue i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/312/563/05d.jpg

Kromster

think of it as a hobby, instead of playing other ppls games you play with making your own

user92578

@jgallant Well I made a game, but I didn't make any money

jgallant

eh, you didn't sell ?

wait man, once you get it on a sale, you are gonna sell 200 copies in a day

Jason4Ever

currently i've a work , but i want during the next two or three years to be done with building my own business

user92578

yeah summer sales here I come

John Hamilton

10:55

^ that

jgallant

then you can get blow and hookers!! oh yeah

Jason4Ever

then i be dedicated with full time with the next step

jgallant

The wolf of game dev.

user92578

Have you done any gamedev Jason?

jgallant

I made about 1000$

bling bling

John Hamilton

10:56

@Jason4Ever Start doing it. Keep doing it. If you don't get tired of it, think about making it your job. Don't expect immediate returns on your invested time.

Kromster

@jgallant how does it compare to average monthly salary in your country? ;-)

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@doppelgreener Even if you work for a AAA game dev company.

Jason4Ever

actually not yet , but learned 3ds Max since 1 year , then i started some time with Unity3D

jgallant

its pretty bad

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@Kromster one week

jgallant

10:56

one week is about right.

John Hamilton

I earned like 10 bucks

jgallant

and 100 death threats

John Hamilton

you really needed to filter the workshop better

user92578

steamapi for that stuff is terrible

jgallant

@JohnHamilton how.

John Hamilton

10:58

they claim to be working on it

jgallant

If I could pull ALL THE DATA quickly

John Hamilton

vote-on-stuff style with actual curation

jgallant

and do it myself on a local copy that would rock

But it takes literally 3 seconds per 50 items

and @ 3500 items that is getting stupid

There is vote on stuff

default is sorted by best ratings

John Hamilton

naw that's not what I mean

some games have that system, I don't have access to steam right now

so I can't link the workshops

jgallant

oh you mean the workshop browser in steam?

John Hamilton

11:00

people vote on the stuff they want in the game, rather than trying them in the game and then voting on them

jgallant

yeah

that wouldn't work for me

John Hamilton

then the game's developer gets to choose which ones are in

jgallant

how can you vote on a puzzle that you can't see?

Ultimately, i think there is a pretty good quantity/quality balance right now

I check the new puzzles everyday and delete shit.

John Hamilton

dick puzzles will plague your system forever

jgallant

no doubt.

John Hamilton

11:02

and it'll only get more and more, you'll have to stop at some point

jgallant

strangely i only got one titty

and over 100 dicks

doppelgreener

i am going to download your game, make a puzzle that is shaped like a 💩, make it actually super awesome, and call it "this puzzle is crap"

jgallant

lol do it.

one I thought was kinda funny, whe you complete the level it says "bush did 911"

doppelgreener

LOL

John Hamilton

what I'm thinking is the curation of the puzzles Jon as opposed to the "free" workshop experience

not everyone wants to try out stupid crap people thought were funny and decided to vote up

jgallant

11:04

yeah, i considered doing this

Jason4Ever

John Hamilton

you could make compilations and put them in as paid content from the workshop items, pay people 1% for every puzzle they have in a 50 puzzle pack for example

Chris McFarland

@jgallant paywall DLC so you have to pay 99c to upload puzzles

Jason4Ever

That was my experience with modeling since 1 year lol

jgallant

i can't charge to get people to play user content.

@Jason4Ever cool robot bro

I could wipe out the workshop -- claim all the puzzles as my own and rerelease the game like nothing ever happeend.

John Hamilton

11:06

@jgallant you're thinking like a developer. think like the opportunist you need to be :o

Chris McFarland

so with 3d models
how many models does your game need, how long does it take you to make them, rig them, animate them
can you justifiably create everything your game needs by yourself with 3d in a reasonable amount of time? something to think about ;)

user92578

^ what I was about to type

jgallant

^^

What I was thinking

doppelgreener

even Super Meat Boy was made over a couple of years between two people

John Hamilton

that'd be a pretty shitty thing to do, but re-releasing the puzzles under a compilation and letting people pay for it, would be a different thing

doppelgreener

11:07

And that followed on from a Flash game which itself took a while to make.

jgallant

Even duke nukem forever took 18 years to make with multiple different people.

John Hamilton

I'm not saying remove them from the workshop, people can still play those for free

Jason4Ever

@ChrisMcFarland i have animated this robo before

John Hamilton

it'd be like a "donate to the dev" button

jgallant

The point being made is -- we all learned the hard way how long it takes to actually finish a game.

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Chris McFarland

11:07

Yeah

jgallant

Look at Pearson here, he has no idea he still has 14 years to go

user92578

but what about the enemies the robo will fight?

user92578

what about the environments?

doppelgreener

@jgallant Duke Nukem Forever is not a good example of how a game should be made or how long it should take though. :P

jgallant

Did you see the demo that was shown originally ?

I wish they had released that game back then

John Hamilton

11:09

they probably had zero content in the game other than the demo

Jason4Ever

@jgallant bro are you developing your games alone ? (Modeling, Coding,..etc) ?\

jgallant

2d

and yeah, i work alone

John Hamilton

he's not modelling anything

jgallant

Duke Nukem Forever - E3 Trailer 2001

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doppelgreener

I read some of the exit interviews by DNF staff who left the team, and one of them said they had co-workers who were working on a specific part of a specific level when they joined the team -- and when they left the job, those co-workers were still working on the same part of the same level, because the directors were being perfectionists and complacent, or because they'd taken so long technology had moved ahead and things needed updates.

jgallant

11:10

This looked amazing for 2001

John Hamilton

dude, it's duke nukem, what are you thinking so hard for, lol

jgallant

yeah i heard the project lead scraped everything over and over

He wanted to be bleeding edge

John Hamilton

and surely they bled for it

jgallant

Burned through all their resources.

Entire project was scraped -- team was fired then they sold the IP

And then they released something else.

Something that literally killed the IP.

doppelgreener

[cough star citizen cough]

Jason4Ever

11:12

@jgallant and usually how much it take the intermediate game from you to be done ? and what type is it ? Mobile or ... ?

jgallant

Picross Touch and GORB are my games

jgallant.com

John Hamilton

star citizen is coming along nicely though? they don't seem too hung over on design etc.

jgallant

You can see how simple they are in nature -- this is a hobby I also have a full time job

doppelgreener

@jgallant haaaa, that's right. they tried to make another Duke Nukem game, and then Gearbox sued them saying "uhh, no, you're not doing that, we bought Duke Nukem. You can't keep making games with him."

jgallant

So about 8 months.

Picross Touch I still revise.

John Hamilton

11:14

@Jason4Ever search Gravitrators in google play, that's the one I made. It took two and a half months of coding and a month or so of graphics work by my friend. I worked almost full time on it tho

jgallant

PC/Mac/Linux/Android/IOS

doppelgreener

@JohnHamilton they are exactly hung over on design. they are revising assets with no scope of resource budget, and there are interviews with current (anonymous) and former staff members saying they're doing similar things to what we were just talking about for DNF. Star Citizen at this point has a business model based on the game being vaporware.

John Hamilton

I'm still trying to finish it... The scoreboard needs a LOT of revision

jgallant

Yeah...

I read up on star citizen as well.. it is looking bad.

doppelgreener

Star Citizen has delayed its release date by a year every year, and then they went public with their development timeline with a 2-year outlook, and it doesn't have a release date marked anywhere on it.

John Hamilton

11:15

oh, I hadn't really looked into it. I just saw some gameplay videos by youtubers etc. not my kind of game so I didn't care for it

jgallant

Imagine if hello games announced NMS2

Jason4Ever

@JohnHamilton what about you John

user92578

I think there is a reason why a lot of indie games are 2D, at least those made by a single dude

jgallant

ehhh, yeah.

doppelgreener

@Tyyppi_77 2 dimensions mean far less work than 3, quite often.

John Hamilton

11:17

@Jason4Ever I did tell you though, scroll up a bit

2D is much easier to deal with than 3D and often means much lower specs are needed to run them

also, there's the possibility of the mobile market

doppelgreener

I've got an idea (and some art and writing work done) for a game I'd like to make, and it's in the vein of Devil May Cry, so I'm torn between 2D vs 3D vs Klonoa-style 2.5D.

jgallant

ohhhh the amazing mobile market!

Blue

lol NMS2 - good luck.

John Hamilton

3D looks shite on mobile, but 2D can look pretty nice

jgallant

Joe Danger DLC for NMS

user92578

11:18

lol the great mobile market

Jason4Ever

yes but usually the 3d brings the players like Robot War by pixonic

user92578

what? I'd claim that that's not how it works

Jason4Ever

which as i expect offer a better chance for money ?

John Hamilton

Making a 3D game means spending more time, more time means more chances to screw things up. If your game is bad, you get nothing.

Unless you have a huge marketing department that can push the shite like pokemon go

jgallant

dude, i spent a day trying to fix a drop down box that crashed my game

think about it

Alexandre Vaillancourt

11:20

@Jason4Ever With 3d you add a dimension of problem. It will cost you more; if you don't make money with your gamble, you will have lost more money.

jgallant

start small

learn what you can and can't do

adjust

user92578

My first game, a platformer, took 3 years. Sure, it wasn't all time very effeciently spent, but still.

jgallant

Don't go making a battle arena 3d game when you have no idea what you are doing

Blue

Even Nintendo made a 2D version of BOTW to see if it was viable at that scale.

jgallant

that looks fun too

Blue

11:21

It's such a fucking good game.

jgallant

the 2d version i meant

Blue

Aye it does look fun.

Chris McFarland

link?!

jgallant

BOTW is fun, but replayability? I am not so sure

Now that I explored everything i'm kinda left with a ... meh

Seen it, done it.

Blue

Footage of Zelda: Breath of the Wild 2D Prototype GDC 2017

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Chris McFarland

11:22

I'm currently skirting around the fire area cuz I don't have fire resist stuff yet

John Hamilton

@jgallant open world games in a nutshell, unless they're one of the elder scrolls series

jgallant

@ChrisMcFarland oh man i envy you :P

I'm OP right now in my gamae

Chris McFarland

@Blue thanks

Alexandre Vaillancourt

@ChrisMcFarland Hey I wanted to ask: are you indie full time, or do you have a day job too?

Blue

The Making of The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild Video – The Beginning

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The Making of series is wonderful too.

Great way to spend 30-40 minutes.

Chris McFarland

11:24

@AlexandreVaillancourt I'm full time as full as I can get, kind of a homemaker at times

Blue

I could listen to the music all day, there's something about Nintendo's composition in this game which really brings emotion.

Chris McFarland

dropping kid off at school, pickup, sorting out food and stuff

John Hamilton

@ChrisMcFarland I envy you... I'll get a lifestyle like that someday...

Blue

@ChrisMcFarland - you'll need some fire resist elixirs / chilled food to make your way up and then you can get some armour in the quarry while you're up there, easiest way to get what you need.

jgallant

if i could afford it I would do it

Alexandre Vaillancourt

11:25

@ChrisMcFarland All right, cool!

jgallant

what abouth dental and health insurance?

Chris McFarland

dental insurance? in NZ? ahaha no :(
I pay a little for premium healthcare
cuz in NZ it's free, but there's a waiting list for the public system - stuff being in pain for 6+ weeks if you need assistance

jgallant

Yeah I mean for like medication

So no dental insurance there? Dental work here is ridiculously expensive, it is crazy.

Like it is so expensive it is mental.

John Hamilton

It's about to get worse in the USA I hear

Chris McFarland

in NZ if you're in extreme pain you can go down to the local hospital and get your teeth worked on for free

jgallant

11:30

not here, they send you to a dentist

and you pay extra because it is an emergency

like, double

Chris McFarland

the insurance policies though have annual caps for how much they'll give you though, so it's like mehhh not worth the cost

but yeah, running your own small business, it's stressful

every waking moment is like, oh man i should be working on my game

what's that? real life commitments getting in the way? whelp

jgallant

Yeah and like doing it as a hobby is really not -- got a bug? who cares.

Don't want to code that bit? Don't do it then. WAnt to work on something else for the hell of it? Why not.

Chris McFarland

on the plus side, anything game-related is a business expense, hardware, games for game research, portion of house costs, utilities, less tax to pay at the end of the year

Oh yeah, I tackle bugs. My game came out 2 years ago and I still fix things if someone happens to find something lol

jgallant

crazy how they always find something

especially with unity.

new bug -- started with 5.6

Chris McFarland

Or some things, it's not even a bug, just the way something is
and nobody bothers to mention it for a couple years
then someone is like "I don't like this!" and I try to amend where feasible

jgallant

11:34

when you play fullscreen in linux, either the mouse cursor, or the colliders get all messed up

going windowed is fine.

Chris McFarland

Weird

jgallant

Pretty sure its a ratio thing.

but unity is a black box.

Chris McFarland

I notice some collider issues in the Editor if I pause/unpause, like the physics goes fucked for a moment

jgallant

what is pause?

Chris McFarland

dunno if it would happen if the game paused/unpaused for the standalone version

jgallant

11:35

oh the editor pause.

Chris McFarland

yea

jgallant

do you have any scripts that run in edit mode?

Chris McFarland

it's like all the rigidbodies jerk a little, or even just resizing the window

For Tallowmere 2 I have a few MenuItem scripts I like to use

setting build types and stuff and running builds by clicking a menu item is very time-saving

jgallant

yeah to refresh objects on the fly

i used that a lot in GORB for the editor

Chris McFarland

nice, yeah it's handy writing a few lines to save you X amount of minutes time and time again

jgallant

11:37

well, you can re-use a Init() function

doppelgreener

@Jason4Ever 3D is not a magic wand with which you hit a game to make it make more money for you.

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Good games that have good marketing make money (probably). Extraordinary games and/or those with extraordinary marketing make an extraordinary amount of money (probably). However, good games and good marketing also cost a lot to produce; extraordinary games with extraordinary marketing cost an extraordinary amount of money to produce. It is very real that even breaking even money-wise is an achievement in game development.

Some games make a lot of money, but not enough to cover the time or money you put into them. Many of those games are 3D! Many of those games that were 3D would have been more profitable if they were 2D!

Focus on making a game that is fun and enjoyable. (Even for values of "fun and enjoyable" such as those found in LIMBO or Amnesia: The Dark Descent or Resident Evil VII.) If the game needs to be 3D to make that happen, make it 3D. If it needs to be 2D to make that happen, make it 2D.

John Hamilton

^ I disagree, if it doesn't need to be 3D to be fun, then don't make it 3D.

doppelgreener

@JohnHamilton I agree with you there.

If a game doesn't need to be 3D, avoid making it 3D, because you're adding a frankly enormous level of complexity in doing so that you're better off not having.

Not "twice as complex", more like "ten times as complex".

And complexity = more cost and your game takes longer

Chris McFarland

I'm a bit sad that STRAFE is getting mixed reviews: store.steampowered.com/app/442780/STRAFE

cuz it looks fun and silly

Lasse

For our game it was a lot easier to create 3d world (game is 2.5d) as the things we wanted to do visually required 3d, we tried to do that in 2d at first but failed

John Hamilton

11:45

^ trying to do it 2D and failing and then upgrading is usually more profitable than trying to do it 3D and failing, then falling back to 2D

doppelgreener

@JohnHamilton Thanks, that's a good way to resolve my own indecision. I'll go with 2D and pixel art first off.

Lasse

we actually did it in 3d at first, but there was a (very very very stupid - if you ask me - ) decision to start making it in 2d, then went back to 3d again

I think the problem was that the guy most strongly wanting to go 2d had been working only on (successful) 2d games previously

John Hamilton

Yeah, that's another problem people face everyday. If you're proficient with a hammer, it doesn't mean you should use it to do the work of a screwdriver.

Btw STRAFE looked like it could do very well, where did they go wrong?

Lasse

Here's the current result as a shot from my unity player

doppelgreener

@JohnHamilton reviews indicate the gameplay sucks and don't live up to the nostalgia factor they were going for in their marketing

@Lasse nice. definitely seems like a good concept for 3D.

John Hamilton

11:53

I'd prefer it in 2D simply cuz my phone can't handle the game after the second area unlocks

but it looks good, and I'd love to see it on PC without the free to play part

Lasse

I'm hoping to see it on PC too one day

and yeah, it's pretty hardcore in graphics, I've done crapton of optimizing for it to run in our low-end target

John Hamilton

Anyone know whether Sid Meier is still making games himself or just consulting on his games?

Chris McFarland

dat cheat button <3

John Hamilton

@Lasse mine is a bit old, it's the first GM discovery model

Lasse

it's currently prone to crash if the phone has only 1gb ram

Chris McFarland

11:56

:(

Lasse

the crappiest device in our office is samsung s4 mini, which we have been testing it on. I think we should get a device with 1gb ram just to be able to support it, but my requests have not been heard yet :(

John Hamilton

ehh, you can't get everything you want :P

I'll just hope for the PC release since I don't plan on upgrading

jgallant

Politically Correct version?

doppelgreener

@JohnHamilton Firaxis Games's site has a credit list of games he's been involved in, and he isn't listed at all for any civilisation game since the first one except for Civ: Revolution.

Lasse

well, we just got galaxy tab s3 today (800 euros) so I'm still thinking where's my lenovo tab 3 with 1gb ram which is just 80 euros

John Hamilton

11:59

naw Pleasantly Corrupt version

Lasse

so it's not a big request in my opinion :D

John Hamilton

@doppelgreener Thanks, I'll check it out at home, can't access the site right now xD

doppelgreener

> SID’S LEAD DESIGN CREDITS
Sid Meier’s Starships (2015)
Sid Meier’s Ace Patrol Pacific Skies (2013)
Sid Meier’s Ace Patrol (2013)
CivWorld (2011)
Sid Meier’s Civilization: Revolution (2008)
Sid Meier’s Railroads! (2006)
Sid Meier’s Pirates! (2004)
Sid Meier’s SimGolf (2002)
Sid Meier’s Antietam! (1998)
Sid Meier’s Gettysburg! (1997)
Sid Meier’s Colonization (1994)
Sid Meier’s Civilization (1991)

(and then as many games again)

John Hamilton

Aww geez, you didn't have to do that :D

jgallant

you know why they put Sid Meier's on the box?

Robin Williams.

John Hamilton

12:01

Yeah, I'm expecting something like a Railroads again

jgallant

shacknews.com/article/79926/…

John Hamilton

It crashes on my PC when I run it for about half an hour...

Lasse

Why not just label the game as "Sid Meier's"

and make it about everything in the universe

jgallant

"We were at dinner at a Software Publishers Association meeting, and [actor] Robin Williams was there. And he kept us in stitches for two hours. And he turns to me and says 'Bill, you should put Sid's name on a couple of these boxes, and promote him as the star.' And that's how Sid's name got on Pirates, and Civilization."

John Hamilton

Hey, it was effective as a means to sell the game lol

jgallant

12:04

i'm just giving you some random trivia knowledge

i know a lot of stupid shit

when we play trivia my gf is alwasy like "how the hell did you know that" and I seriously have no idea how I know but I do

John Hamilton

^ not nearly enough. give me more stupid shit that you know.

jgallant

The earth is not flat.

doppelgreener

@Lasse Sid Meier's Eᴠᴇʀʏᴛʜɪɴɢ! Bᴇʜᴏʟᴅ ᴛʜᴇ ɢʟᴏʀʏ ᴏғ ɪᴛ ᴀʟʟ!

Chris McFarland

praise be, praise be

jgallant

Quest for Glory. So you want to be a game developer?

Lasse

12:06

Sid Meier's Sid Meier's

jgallant

Quest for Glory: So You Want to Be a Hero

Quest for Glory: So You Want to Be a Hero (originally known as Hero's Quest: So You Want to Be a Hero) is an adventure game/role-playing game hybrid, designed by Lori Ann Cole and published by Sierra On-Line. It is the first game in the Quest for Glory series, and has been credited for being a genre-defining game, as it tried to mix graphical adventure gaming with role-playing-like elements such as statistic building (strength, intelligence, health) that would actually affect the ability to accomplish certain parts of the game. The game has a satirical and silly tone. == Gameplay == The original...

doppelgreener

checkmate

John Hamilton

@Lasse It's the simulation of the life of Sid Meier, dealing with stupid stuff people do with his name

Chris McFarland

@doppelgreener lol

jgallant

damn.

is our moon round?

Chris McFarland

12:08

it's just a cardboard cutout with a LookAt method applied

John Hamilton

The moon is a plaque

jgallant

• QVC Fashion Scientist Declares: "The Moon Is A Planet! •

►

John Hamilton

The Earth is actually just a moon of the Sun. mindblown

jgallant

Grand jury subpoenas issued in FBI's Russia investigation

So apparentely trump fired FBI director because he was being investigated over russian ties.. oh dear.

John Hamilton

They also repealed the affordable care act if I'm not mistaken

jgallant

12:27

financialpost.com/m/wp/fp-tech-desk/…

John Hamilton

oh also this net neutrality shit is on the table again, so gofccyourself.com

jgallant

Yeah I'm canadian.

John Hamilton

Doesn't matter they take international inquiries into consideration, click express when you get to the link

jgallant

This never ending fight is stupid -- people with money want more money

And they will wreck free information to get it

No one is going to allow that to happen ultimately -- it will be taken by force.

John Hamilton

I really don't want to see that dystopian future happen.

jgallant

12:47

so one big gripe I have with TMP

monospace fonts are not monospaced.

John Hamilton

That would be really bad for any number displays I have going on

Chris McFarland

@jgallant lol :(

I'm sticking with regular UI.Text for now

jgallant

lmao

so I take it back. i was using a non-monospaced font.

stupid textmeshpro can't make a non-monospaced font monospaced automatically.. pfft

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