Game Development

01:23

@Almo What's your pilot's name in EVE?

Almo

05:04

@AlexandreVaillancourt norjia blacksteel

@Ali.S riot was founded by guinsoo and another, who had dotaallstars before icefrog got it. So it's not a good argument that valve is the best to get dota.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

05:24

@Almo Added, I'm off to bed, good night!

user92578

10:49

Weekly write-up: blog.gunherogame.com/2017/02/19/Cutscene_Improvements.html

Chris McFarland

:D

Hjorthenify

11:02

<3

Chris McFarland

Fireballs: gfycat.com/FavorableBossyGuppy

user92578

That's really awesome! Are those tiny Svens?

Chris McFarland

Yes lol, just placeholder atm

Was wondering if anyone would spot them hah

user92578

lol

jgallant

11:22

I bought a 10$ Roblox gift card for my son since he was good. He bought a builders club pass and now has 4.10$ credit.

There is absolutely no way to spend that 4.10 as the cheapest item they have is 5$

No way to refund no way to split payment no way to use it unless I buy a other 10$ gift card.

Chris McFarland

well played, Roblox

jgallant

I'm ready to file a class action lawsuit.

You are looking at millions of dollars that cannot be used.

I emailed them and they made it very clear that there is absolutely no way for me to get or spend that credit.

We would again like to inform you that the remaining balance will be in your account forever and due to which there is no refund in such cases.

Like what the fuck?

It is literally impossible to be at 0 credit.

I'm gonna look for a lawyer that is willing to class action this shit. Im gonna start rounding up users with 3$ in their account.

Hjorthenify

Thats so clever and wrong at the same time

jgallant

It isn't clever it's fucken robbery

Hjorthenify

Almost like providing a service for 7.99$/month but only providing 10$ giftcards

jgallant

11:35

There is now way to add the missing balance

There is absolutely no way to spend your fucken money

They just take it

I'm fucken pissed off

Hjorthenify

We have that here in Denmark, but with the public transportation system

jgallant

I don't fucken care that it is just 4$

Hjorthenify

Can you combine the giftcard with another one?

jgallant

I fucken care that this is scamming people and they are profiting greatly from it

Yes but you can only get 10$ min

So it is impossible ever get to 0 balance

Hjorthenify

Create a service that allows people to combine their giftcards safely, then give them back their money.. Take a 20% cut yourself for profit :P

jgallant

11:37

5.90 is the cheapest thing you can get

Dude it isn't my fucken job to treat customers properly

Imagine going to a store and only being able to pay in 10 dollar increments and then they keep money that isn't theirs

It is illegal

Hjorthenify

Jep and people just accept it because its only 4$

jgallant

It's money I spent so my son could use it and he can't even

Hjorthenify

:/

PearsonArtPhoto

15:40

Motivation...

Lasse

15:53

What's that?

jgallant

the anti-reddit

PearsonArtPhoto

It's something that I don't seem to have, and I hear it helps you to get things done.

jgallant

16:14

Dangle a carrot in front of yourself

John McDonald

yeah... I've never found anything to work all that well. You've got to find fun bits to work on

Also, Hi guys!

PearsonArtPhoto

16:49

Work in progress, the bottom left dialog.

I know it doesn't line up right as well, I'll get there eventually... Does it seem like something useful?

John McDonald

Eventually, but meh. It's readable

I remember this game. It's lookin' good, :)

PearsonArtPhoto

17:13

It's coming along:-)

Is the way the ship/ text interact a dealbreaker?

Or should I save it for another day?

jgallant

17:29

Should draw over the boat. Possibly fade it out when you arrive to it.

Put it on the UI somewhere saying you are currently at saint Vincent or something

John McDonald

17:44

@PearsonArtPhoto imo: Depends. Having the boat over the text makes the boat the subject of attention, and can provide the "moving a boat on a paper map" feel

John McDonald

18:21

Yay, got my world to render inside* a div defined by my GUI's HTML.
* not literally inside, but in the bounds provided

Stephane Hockenhull

LOL 15 mins of debugging why my poly area wasn't getting shrunk according to the value in the XML file. Forgot to pass the parameter. Read it, printed it, didn't pass it to the poly generator function.

John McDonald

Bummer

Stephane Hockenhull

Now I need to extend the platform ends so they overhang a bit.

Stephane Hockenhull

18:48

Perfect. Now I need to model side wall and bottom side tiles.

yahoo5000

19:49

guys passing array by reference

Surface surf[2];

Func(surf[0]);


void Func(const Surface& surf)
{
	surf[0].Draw();
}

why does this not working ?

did i missed something ?

John McDonald

@yahoo5000 I'm more of a C# guy, but don't you need to do Func(*surf[0]);?

yahoo5000

* would dereference from pointer to reference i dont need that because my surf array is not a pointer

John McDonald

:/ yeah. Don't the caller and callee need to complement each other though? You're passing in a surface, and accepting a something to a surface. Should you not pass in a reference to the surface, and accept a pointer to a surface?

I might be totally out to lunch, since it's been a long time since I did anything in C/++

yahoo5000

u mean ?

Surface surf[2];

Func(surf[0]);

void Func(const Surface* surf) ?

John McDonald

Func(&surf[0]);

void Func(const Surface* surf)

yahoo5000

19:57

and then pass reference of array ?

that would work i guess

but was wondering why reference is not working

John McDonald

I think it's because surf[0] is a Surface, not a pointer. Just because you're calling something that wants a reference/pointer doesn't mean that the compiler will do it for you

Perhaps you mean to call Func(surf). That would pass in an array of surfaces, and arrays are pointers (kinda)

Stephane Hockenhull

@yahoo5000

void Func(const Surface (&surf)[2])
{
surf[0].Draw();
}

and the call is Func(surf);

yahoo5000

yea i was found this sample on SO but as far as i remember i as doing passing surf[0] and then somehow it was working for me or i might forgot havent doing coding for a while . will go with pointer probably

John McDonald

Ok, and const Surface (&surf)[2] is a reference to a Surface array of length 2?

yahoo5000

tnx for help

yea

John McDonald

20:02

ok

yahoo5000

i think i could do (&surf)[]

John McDonald

Do you even need the []?

yahoo5000

or like this void Func(const Surface surf[]);

John McDonald

BUT, it's nice to have those, even if you don't need them

Stephane Hockenhull

What you should do is:

void Func(const Surface *surf, size_t count)
{
....
}

template < size_t COUNT >
inline void Func( const Surface (&object)[COUNT] )
{
Func(&object[0], COUNT);
}

John McDonald

20:05

mmm, </3 C++

Stephane Hockenhull

This way you can pass any array to Func and it will automagically convert it to Func( array, count)

The inline template version in the compiled code ends up not existing at all.

yahoo5000

okay tnx

Stephane Hockenhull

@JohnMcDonald Yes, it means a reference to an array of 2 const Surface

John McDonald

cool

Stephane Hockenhull

I prefer to create the (pointer, count) function and then use an inline template overload that converts the call automatically.
That means I can also use an std::vector<Surface> surfaces; and pass it at no cost if I create another inline overload:

inline void Func( const std::vector<Surface> &objects)
{
Func(objects.data(), objects.size());
}

And for 1 object:

inline void Func( const Surface &object)
{
Func(&object, 1);
}

user92578

20:54

Or just use std::array...

Ali.S

@Almo I was making an argument about technical aspects of the game: saying there were few game companies (at time of development of dota2) who had successful internet based games

John McDonald

Hey Ali!

Stephane Hockenhull

@Tyyppi_77 yeah, if your compiler supports C++11 properly.

Ali.S

@JohnMcDonald hey you are back!

John McDonald

Hey. Probably not for long, but I'm here!

Ali.S

21:08

some news: I'm going to be on a flight in less than 36 hours

destination: Ottawa

John McDonald

Hah, cool

Ali.S

yup... going to find a job for 6 months

John McDonald

Nice!

Ali.S

I'll start masters (again) in carleton starting next fall

Bálint

@Ali.S Purely online games are bad, if the developer shuts the servers, then the game becomes completely unplayable, and not every developer is blizzard, who keep their servers up for literally 20+ years.

Ali.S

21:13

@Bálint valve is apparently

and valve usually releases their server binaries before they shut their own dedicated servers down

Bálint

That's a good poimt

But some games literally require you to reverse engineer what the server supposed to do, and hope you achieved everything

Ali.S

well I was making a point back then, that valve actually was one of the best companies that could go for developing dota2

I mean they've always been praised for the quality of the networking in their codes (which is pretty critical in dota2)

Bálint

Practice makes perfect

Ali.S

exactly

Bálint

Though, Blizzard has better server IMO

Ali.S

21:21

I mean who else has the infrastructure to build an internet-based game, so huge region free? with such a capabilities for broad casting?

@Bálint nah... I never could play a single blizzard game lag free

Bálint

I could play star craft without any problems, but that really depends on your location

The servers are actually close to me

Ali.S

I never tried star craft

but diablo3 as well as wow both were laggy as hell

but to be honest when I tried diablo3, I could not play any game besides dota2...

I mean TF2 was laggy too, so was battle field heroes

Stephane Hockenhull

♪ ♫ ♬ Bakin' texture maps ♪ ♫ ♬
♪ ♫ ♬Yummy normal maps ♪ ♫ ♬

Stephane Hockenhull

21:46

Stephane Hockenhull

22:08

Only thing is I can't get MODO to easily preview the material close to what it really looks like in my engine.

Actually, it shows up fine in the OpenGL preview but the render view shows it washed out

Modo's OpenGL preview.

Stephane Hockenhull

22:23

oh, forgot to convert to triangles. gotta bake again.

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