Game Development

Joe

00:19

@TheMuffinCoder let me know how it goes.... if i can help ill be happy to try

TheMuffinCoder

No hope so far

The compiler is removing needed code but i dont know where to fix it

TheMuffinCoder

01:11

Icy Defiance

you'll just dream about bugs in your code, that's all

if you're really lucky you'll think of the solution in your sleep

Almo

02:08

you know I wanted to like Ted, but it's just Seth McFarlane (or whatever his name is) and it was just bad. :(

same timing, same kinds of jokes as family guy, which I don't like

Brian and Stewie Over

►

except for that

that's funny :)

Joe

03:50

"desreveR" a one button double jump infinite runner, GOING LEFT! (oh the humanity)... Joe's first ever completed compo submission for the JS13k... Do me a solid and check it out!!! js13kgames.com/entries/desrever

5

Almo

hjahaha

Joe

:D... im totally fishing on that one

Almo

@joe hey nice one :)

just played

Joe

tysir im very happy with it

if you think it deserves a star on that message in chat i wont try to stop you :DD

Almo

i would recommend one teeny change to the controls

Joe

03:55

whats that?

Almo

quake style:

if you're in the air, and let go of space, then hold it, you jump again the moment you hit the ground

makes jumping again if you just tag the very corner of a ledge possible

Joe

ahhh

Almo

no need for frame-perfect timing of the space bar

Joe

yea prime up the jump

Almo

yeah

not that you jump again if you held it since the last jump

requires letting go and rehitting

and that's 13k of javascript?

very cool

Joe

03:56

13k of everything

actually im at 13303 bytes

and 13k = 13312

lol

or something stupid close

Almo

:D

Joe

13k minified and compressed*

Almo

i like that it moves to the left

hahaha

Joe

that was basically my contribution

everything else is pretty standard

Almo

yeah but it's 13k

:)

and GREEN

ok gotta go sleep

talk later :)

Joe

03:58

deal nite

Almo

:)

Volatile

06:14

hi

user92578

06:35

Hi

TheMuffinCoder

06:53

My js code haunted me so much I woke up today at 3 AM

You know what they say

If your 2k lines of js code dont work, REWRITE IT ALL OVER

user92578

lol

Volatile

07:13

anyone here know c++ and wana work on a voxel project with me?

user92578

Sorry, I only meet one of the criteria

user92578

Added area editing to bridges and ladders:

user92578

07:55

Hmm I might have to design an interface that doesn't look exactly like Broforce's

Lokkij

Magic the Gathering spoilers are looking good! Some really sweet full-art lands and tons of other cool cards

user92578

08:13

Working on the tree brush:

user92578

I'm not sure if I should do it a smart and generic way

user92578

Or just hard code a few positions in

Volatile

reddit.com/r/gameDevClassifieds/comments/3ixqb2/…

user92578

Wait you're the guy from twitch?

Volatile

08:28

yea why

user92578

no reason, was just wondering

user92578

Added a color variation to the ladders, they now go better with the new bunker tiles:

user92578

08:53

I'm not sure if anyone's actually here, but if you know any level editors with good and simple UIs, I would love to do some research

Kevin van der Velden

I am le here

But I have no idea of level editors

user92578

hey le kev

user92578

okay

user92578

I'm looking into different level editors to make my UI not look exactly like broforce's

Kevin van der Velden

09:09

@Volatile I do have experience with all those things

Volatile

cool

are you interested in working on a game?

well, game engine, first

did you see my ad?

Kevin van der Velden

@Volatile Yeah (if you hover over my message you see to which of yours it replied to :) )

@Volatile I am at that, I'm working on one now =p

Volatile

you're working on a voxel engine?

Kevin van der Velden

No, I'm working on a js13k game :)

Isometric with webgl this time

I have build a voxel engine in the past

Volatile

oh

but you know c++

Kevin van der Velden

09:13

Yeah

But I don't use C++ for gamejams =p (you need fast iteration times on that, you don't get that with C++)

Volatile

awesome, well I guess now the question is do you want to work with me? I can talk about the project in detail on skype

Jovito

@KevinvanderVelden What language do you use for jams? curious

Kevin van der Velden

@Volatile I'm interested, exchanging skype over a public chat however isn't something I'll do but here's my steam: steamcommunity.com/id/yourdoom

@Jovito depends, this one javascript because it's a javascript compo. Usually python though

Jovito

cool, python w/ pygame?

Kevin van der Velden

Python with libtcod was my first gamejam entry, libtcod was fun but its rendering is very restrictive

And, yes, later entries used pygame :)

Jovito

09:20

never heard of libtcod

Kevin van der Velden

It's a (C) library for roguelike development, pathfinding, line of sight, and rendering as well

But the rendering is based on mapping ascii characters to a single texture atlas

(With some optional features) so it's quite limited

My second gamejam entry used libtcod for pathfinding and line of sight and such

Volatile

@KevinvanderVelden my skype is blazart123, you can add me

Dev2rights

09:49

Im trying to work out a nice ( mobile friendly ) way of putting a colored grain on the camera using a shader

every try is just to inefficient

Kevin van der Velden

Yeah realtime cameras are no fun

Dev2rights

ive got the effect working, just inneficient as hell

fullscreen alpha blending the issue oc

Kevin van der Velden

I've got tile picking working! Almost

It just needs to be made aware of the fact that it's rotated rectangles, not AABBs

user92578

Nice!

user92578

Got a screenshot?

Kevin van der Velden

09:55

user92578

Looks really cool

Kevin van der Velden

And all procedural! :D

user92578

Tree stuff works, and with a fairly generic solution:

user92578

My tileset is starting to get soooo messy

Hjorthenify

10:11

@Jon Thx :)

@Jon No optimizations has been done so far :P

user92578

11:05

Added a bridge variation:

user92578

hmm I should probably get started with the homework

Lokkij

11:23

Kurzgesagt is a very nice channel

What is Dark Matter and Dark Energy?

►

Jon

12:18

@Hjorthenify what kind of optimizations are you going to do?

Almo

12:34

@Jon gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/102426/…

thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you

Jon

lol

make sure that the sprite is 1 pixel per unit, to denote the proper camera size

But yeah, that is the only way I can deal with Unity's camera system

Almo

ok will make sure

that thing so does what I wanted

with no fucking around

why doesn't the engine provide such a thing?

"Keep fucking canvas on screen, you fuckwit" check box

Jon

LOL

I know right.

It has something to do with the way they handle all aspect ratios

Almo

yeah

Jon

But they should provide a wrapper like this or something :)

If you add a gameobject, with a sprite on it -- sprite of 1x1 white

then set the pixel per unit of that sprite to 1

it will denote the RECT used for the camera to scale to

Almo

12:43

I'm confused now

i thought it was working but I have somethign wrong

user92578

fucking chrome

Almo

I misinterpreted what I was doing with the screen aspect

user92578

wont install, wont uninstall, wont open in less than 10 minutes

user92578

now word is crashing

user92578

imma restart, brb

Jon

12:46

my script will zoom as best as it can, to fit your defined Rect area

it works awesome for panning, and zooming because you jsut have to move the Rect or change the size

Almo

i've got a screen that's set to native res 640x960

I have a gameobject set to that size, and linked to t he script

But if I set the game window to 960x640 the menu goes off the bottom

I'm sure I have something wrong but I'm not sure what

project is still pretty small i could send it if you are feeling altruistic this morning ;)

Jon

yeah sure

Almo

maniac-games.com/files/Archive.zip

Jon

hmmm

missing some files?

Almo

Assets and Project settings are all you need right?

user92578

12:54

oh man

user92578

"Music in Christianity became more organized in the 6th century"

user92578

:DDD

user92578

I'm just so tired

Jon

da fuck

bad settings please fix

and it keeps crashing and reopening.. what did you do?

Almo

is that the perforce plugin?

i'll resend without the p4 plugin

reuploaded

same URL

Jon

13:01

ok

so you are having issues with Chaos cutting off?

yeah

Almo

yeah

trying to get the 640x960 rect to stay on screen

Jon

are you adjusting the size of the Rect?

Almo

I didn't think so

It's that gameobject, and it just sits there

Jon

it changes size when you resize the panel

Almo

oh shit it has anchors on it or something?

I'll go look

Jon

13:04

oh

Almo

it's just a transform htough

I mean, plain GO with nothing on it

Jon

ok

it is your canvas

Almo

the canvas is resetting the camera then

Jon

hold on

I use Canvas too.. just trying to see what is different here

Almo

man this particular thing shouldn't be so complicated

Jon

13:07

yeah, the scale I use is different

I use Constant Pixel Size

scale factor 0.5

Almo

will try taht

Jon

yeah try that

should work perfect

user92578

Almo

and "reference pixels per unit 1"?

Jon

no

leave that to 100

Almo

13:08

100?

ok

ok so now my text is MASSIVE

I wish I understood this thing better

Jon

want me to resend you this project?

Almo

scale factor was off

just a sec

weird yours looks right mine doesnt

Jon

oh yeah hold on

I stretched out my rect

Almo

Jon

yeah you just need to play with the scale size of your menu

Almo

13:12

ok so the menu was made for other settings and I just need to fix that

user92578

What's with word trying to autocomplete days, and only days?

Jon

looks like it works fine for me

Almo

Jon

fits perfect inside my rect

Almo

you have a sprite renderer on the GO?

is that needed?

Jon

13:14

i added it to debug

you can see it

Which is what I was saying, set that sprite to 1:1

just for debugging purposes

you delete that once you are done

Almo

what "square" image are you using for the sprite?

or does it matter

Jon

a 32x32 white squre i had on my pc

doesn't matter, so as long as you set the ratio to 1:1

Almo

where do you set that?

Jon

pixels per unit of the texture

Almo

ok

Jon

13:16

if 32x32 -- set it to 32

if 1x1 -- set to 1

Almo

ok

Jon

www.jgallant.com/files/Archive2.zip

Almo

when I run it, the sprite gets resized but the canvas is still off

Jon

try this

Almo

Jon

13:23

ah

i see what is going on

its the way your canvas is designed

Almo

somethuing simple?

I hope

Jon

trying to fix it up for you

Almo

:( why is this so hard?

complaining at Unity

Jon

13:38

lol

ok well basically your anchoring is messed up

If you want it to always fit, you need to make the anchors stretched out

I was trying to do it, but was getting problems with your text not centering for some weird reason

Almo

Sprite builder does this properly. So tempted to go back to it

but there's no arguing the business case of having easy build to web

Jon

well i can give you my demo

it works

you just have to fix it to work better

Almo

ok thanks I'll take a look

i shouldn't have to spend days of dev time just to get my stuff to stay onscreen

Jon

s000.tinyupload.com/index.php?file_id=95245232087235821157

my son is using my server

Almo

ok thanks

Jon

13:44

Archive3

shows you how I set up my anchors in my project, kinda

Almo

ok

Jon

it will work , but you are going to have to redesign

No idea why the Options is small

Almo

thanks for your help

Jon

it is setup the same way as the others -- but it is small for no apparent reason , lol

Almo

yeah

Jon

13:45

no problem .. but yeah, it takes a lot of tinkering

Also, you are going to have to set min/max font sizes

I was pretty successful at the Canvas stuff with this method -- but it gets messy at smaller resolutions

what one of my scenes look like --- That dark black area is my Camera Zoom thing (bottom one)

The top dark rect, is the overlay for the UI

unity will try to draw it over top my scene based on my anchors

If you don't force the anchors in the corners like I did, it will not size

ACTUALLY

just set your base Canvas to anchor to the corners

That might just do it

Almo

what do you mean set base canvas to anchor to corners

Jon

create a new Panel

inside the base of your Canvas gameobject

Then put all your menu stuff in there

Anchor it to the 4 corners

Quite frankly, Unity sucks in this regard.

Almo

that's putting it mildly

fucking piece of shit

Jon

bbl

Almo

and this scrambling text bug is really annoying

see you dude

thanks again

Joe

14:07

@Jon I try to avoid UI in unity at all costs...

anyone have a good read on game Networking?

user92578

I bet even with all it's problems it's faster to dev in than writing your own...

user92578

And this is from a guy with his own crappy UI system

Joe

problem is theres already a global standard amazing UI system, HTML

user92578

Oh right

user92578

But the functionality is implemented in a horrible language and the result UI differs a bit on every platform

Joe

14:21

differing results... yea that is the big downside

but decades old tried and tested "API" man I'd kill for unity to get that

i check Awesomium 64 bit daily

user92578

oh lol

user92578

My first GunHero menu ever was made using Awesomium

user92578

however I didn't like it that much so I dumped it

user92578

Trying out a bunker background, need improvement tips:

user92578

14:24

That doesn't look that great

user92578

I guess I could try horizontal bricks

user92578

But I also think that the coloring is off by a lot

user92578

horizontal is a lot better

user92578

Thank god to Kevin and his awesome generator tool this doesn't take forever to do

Joe

oh its soo subtle! i didnt see a difference thought it was just solid black

user92578

14:28

oh lol

user92578

yeah, way too dark

user92578

Okay I think I got the brick pattern going on okay now

Almo

@Joe HTML sucks man.

Joe

dude?! whats better

user92578

php all the things xD

Joe

14:36

phplease

user92578

How's this? I kinda like it

user92578

Almo

@Joe i don't know of what's better. I just know every time I have to work with HTML I want to kill myself.

user92578

lol

user92578

you should do a HTML project and create all the site art with GIMP

Almo

14:41

it's like UI system designers don't actually design UIs, so they never see how inadequate their systems (or at the very least their documentation) are.

Joe

@Almo oh well as a web professional i can happily say.. that goes away after about 5 years

Almo

What I'm trying to do in Unity is basic fucking shit, and it seems to be impossible.

@Joe hahah :D

Joe

@Almo i feel this exact same way in unity

user92578

@Almo But that basic shit is probably something my UI system can't even do

Joe

and its even more frustrating because i could do the same UI in html in like 30 seconds

Almo

14:42

managed to get a rectangle to fit the screen with blackbars so it preserves aspect ratio

but I can't get the text inside to keep its size/position relative to the rectangle

user92578

Okay I think next weeks project is going to be re-doing the editor UI to look less like Broforce's

Almo

and then unity has some bug wehre it stops rendered the text or garbles it

Joe

i once hoped that bug was just in the editor

but then i saw it on a device

Almo

yeah

Joe

actually saw it on this game:

Almo

14:45

i'm so tempted to give up on unity and use something else again

Joe

Almo

oh yeah

Joe

and i laughed and was like HEY THATS made with unity

Almo

they have that problem

user92578

ill call it a day and head off to sauna, bye guys

Almo

14:47

I mean seriously, wtf

user92578

lol

Almo

ok i have to quit for now

3 hours of fucking around and I have nothing

Joe

lets get everyone who uses unity here.. and write a fucking UI module

sell it for twice the price of unity pro

and become billionaires because people would buy it

Almo

hahah yeah

Jon

@Almo that is a known glitch

Almo

14:54

yeah

ridiculous

Jon

if you set the text size it fixes in editor

Almo

happens a lot

Jon

yes it does

constantly

Almo

like, every minute or two

Jon

i considered writing a editor refresh script for it

Almo

14:54

Unity is such a noob engine

Joe

problem is its like 15 years old

Almo

I mean really, it feels very amateur compared to UE4

Joe

too old to be a noob

Jon

maybe i should invest time in learning ue4 instead

Almo

I learned how to do animation behavior trees over the last couple days at work in UE4

pretty nice

a few odd things around

Jon

14:55

in unity or ue?

Almo

like compare object to null in blueprint is doing == box, but leave one pin unset, and it says "select asset" there's no "null" setting

Jon

my new case

Almo

your actual one, or a pic from the net?

Jon

pic from the net

i got the same case and power supply though

Almo

ok

Jon

15:00

i figured frig it, the other case I have is old, and has a top mount PS

feels like I have been waiting forever for these parts

Almo

:)

Joe

@Chris how did you do your Tallowmere networking? used their (Unity) API?

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