Game Development

MickLH

15:02

oh. it's 8am. lol

sucks not being able to reach over and turn the sun off

Hjorthenify

15:20

@MickLH It is called blinders :P

Jon

15:47

holy shit its already 1

Kevin van der Velden

16:03

It's already 5 :o

MickLH

1... 5... sheesh at that rate it's probably literally 9 by now

> 9:04

Almo

hahah

user92578

is there a key that I've accidentally pressed that disables brace completion in VS?

user92578

It shows up on in the settings

Jon

16:28

anyone ever get the d-pad of a controller tow ork in Unity?

everyone is saying it is mapped to button 8-9..

but that is bullshit

Then others say it is thr 5th x-axis

others say it is the 6th

others say it isn't an axis at all

the information online on how to map to a d-pad in unity is pretty fucken ridiculous

Almo

so I saw John Wick. Not bad. SOmething struck me as odd though... he signed for a package... left-handed. I just did a quick google and I don't see any pictures of him weilding his guns left-handed.

Jon

ok, it is the 6th axis

LOL @Almo -- they are making a 2nd one already

TreDubZedd

@Jon It likely depends on the gamepad

Almo

Keanu is left-handed. maybe they just forgot.

user92578

@Jon my code for getting a gamepad to work: SDL_GameControllerOpen(0);

MickLH

16:32

@Tyyppi_77 ftw

Jon

yah.. well you gonna have to handle mapping at some point

user92578

of course I need to check for the events, but that's pretty much it

MickLH

SDL2 took the liberty of making a standardized controller map

I hope that worked out well

if not, SDL1 still works :P

user92578

yeah, you have constants like SDL_CONTROLLER_AXIS_LEFTX and SDL_CONTROLLER_AXIS_RIGHTX

Jon

in Unity, its a bunch of Input settings

not sure if you can let the user change them or not yet

considering the way unity handles input, I would guess no

but yeah, from what I am reading online -- all joysticks are handled differently in Unity

it seems like it is a nightmare to do properly

Almo

16:38

or rather the way unity doesn't handle controllers

Jon

android-developers.blogspot.com.es/2015/03/…

if you have an android app, make sure to go fill out the new questionaire in your dev console

or your app may be blocked in certain regions

Almo

16:58

ok i just found pics of John Wick left-wielding his gun.

not sure why the poster has it in his right

MickLH

lol

Almo

i do weird things wehn I'm bored at home eating

MickLH

Likely ideas: Incompetence, Inattentiveness, Inaccuracy, Emotional manipulation of right handed people, idk

Almo

ahhaha

I noticed immediately that he signed left-handed, but then I forgot to check for it later

MickLH

I had one more to type but it's awkward to type

Almo

17:01

:)

MickLH

Basically, maybe the game is designed to be played righty and has some minor glitch with left handed controls, and so they could be trying to encourage that experience so that the ambidextrous community will unconsciously be biased to the right hand, leading more people to use the "best" version of the controls.

Almo

It's a movie

the actor is a lefty in RL

MickLH

hlyfk!

Perhaps it was simply symbolism within the plot, or maybe even meta-symbolism

Almo

:D

MickLH

Lol I could keep yielding this coroutine if you like

Almo

17:05

hahaha

MickLH

In thinking of the word "yielding" while typing it, I accidentally activated enough code to think that it could have also just been a mundane office joke bet or something

Jon

yield is a strange word

well, the traffic stop word is anyways

MickLH

I agree

"yield" seems like a dubstep sound effect to me

Jon

MickLH

oooo I have one of those

super smash bitchezz

Aidan Mueller

17:17

@Jon Why buy the book? Just start drinking a ton of carrot juice.

Jon

this is apparently every controller made for gamecube.

@AidanMueller because... of reasons.

monogame.net/2015/03/16/monogame-3-3-2

They are apparently starting to work on a NEW content pipeline, to replace what XNA used to do

Almo

@Jon and they're all uncomfortable

MickLH

^ lol

Lokkij

Argh, I'm stuck with god choice paralysis again.

Hjorthenify

From which decision? :P

Lokkij

17:29

I need to choose a god in dungeon crawl

And I can't decide which one

Hjorthenify

Uhmm..

What are the options?

Lokkij

I'm playing a glass cannon melee spellcaster, and the good options include the slow god, the warmaster, and the god of destruction.

But there is a total of 20 gods to choose from.

Hjorthenify

Ahh

Sorry but I haven't played the game :P

Lokkij

Yeah I know, those links won't tell you much :P

user4704

Kikubaaqudgha.

user4704

17:33

On account of having the best name.

Hjorthenify

:D

Lokkij

Haha necromancy won't help me much :P

user4704

Pff.

user4704

It's not about helping it's about finding new and interesting ways to play.

user4704

Slash die.

Jon

17:35

slashdie

that is a good gamer nick

user4704

I had a character in GW2 named Slash Dot Kill

user4704

Because /.kill was the dev command to kill anything.

user4704

I think I deleted him to make room for Unsigned Charr though.

Jon

very cool

what was your very first online nickname that you remember?

back in the 90s, my first one was |-RaGe-| lol

I guess I'll delete it then.

One thing I ilke about Unity Input manager:

Grabbing = Input.GetButton ("Grab");

You can assign actions as a button mapping

Kevin van der Velden

Gamedev time :D

Aidan Mueller

18:52

Finally! theverge.com/2015/3/17/8230631/…

2

Pip

eyo

@AidanMueller nice!

Joe

lol

Lasse

they are just renaming it, renaming won't make shit to gold

it'd just be golden shit then

like this: s3-media1.fl.yelpcdn.com/bphoto/OI0ONMddEnVgw41ddvNoWQ/o.jpg

Kevin van der Velden

@Lasse I would not want to be the person whose job it is to put gold foil on shit

Lasse

I've heard that if you eat those super thin gold flakes (they are edible), your shit will turn in to gold, but I doubt it'll look like that

Pip

19:03

lol

Lasse

amazon.com/Gold-Gourmet-Edible-Flake-Shaker/dp/B000CDNL8I

Pip

I need to upload a new one, actually

progress since then

Aidan Mueller

@Lasse Nothing like eating your money.

Lasse

well if you buy your food you are doing it

Pip

(link fixed)

Aidan Mueller

19:06

@Lasse Still. Not really worth it.

Lasse

yeah you get more nutrients if you just tear up some paper cash and eat it

but you shouldn't do that either if you are going to take a drug test the next day

edition.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/08/14/cocaine.traces.money

John McDonald

Some Indian food has edible gold or silver for decorative purposes

Vark

Vark, varak (Sanskrit: वरक) or varaka is any foil composed of a pure metal, typically silver, sometimes gold, used for garnishing sweets in South Asian cuisine. The silver is edible, though flavorless. Varak is made by pounding silver into a sheet a few micrometres thick, and backed with paper for support; this paper is peeled away before use. It is extremely brittle and breaks into smaller pieces if touched. Vark sheets are laid or rolled over some South Asian sweets. Edible silver and gold foils on sweets, confectionary and desserts is not unique to the Indian subcontinent; other regions such...

Lasse

they do that with sushi too

and some ice creams

also they sell russian standard golden vodka with those gold flakes in it

John McDonald

Vodka with Vark

Lasse

count me in

Pip

19:26

Huh, I actually agree with most of this

qr.ae/jf9Wv

Lokkij

Dämmerung looks interesting

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Anyone ever used Assembly.ReflectionOnlyLoad in C#?

I'm curious if I could use it to look at types and attributes before actually loading up the assembly.

TreDubZedd

@William'MindWorX'Mariager are you querying a plugin for validity before loading it?

(or attempting to, anyway?)

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Exactly

TreDubZedd

Interesting.

Aidan Mueller

19:33

@Lasse Not to mention all the germs.

TreDubZedd

What's the concern with loading the DLL--what problem are you trying to avoid?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I need to load them in order of dependency.

And check for circular dependency.

So I want to know each plugins dependency, perform the checks and then load them up in order.

"Dependencies are not automatically loaded into the reflection-only context."

Looks like it's exactly what I need.

TreDubZedd

Only one way to be absolutely certain...

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

True :P

TreDubZedd

Huh. That's actually really cool.

Pip

20:32

Hey all, mind testing out something for me?

I've got some compiled exes (for Windows, Linux, and Mac), and I want to see if everything works in all three

benjaminward.ddns.net/public/downloads

menu is self-explanatory, wasd keys for the game itself (that's temp, will be removed when I get pathfinding working)

Icy Defiance

well nothing else is working for me today, so I'll probably just break it by being unlucky, but I'll give it a try :P

Pip

:D

Kevin van der Velden

It starts

I think you need either more feedback on the start button or not fade the background out

I was thinking the button doesn't work

Icy Defiance

options and exit buttons don't work (either in the menu or after clicking play), but that's probably a known issue. other than that it all works on windows 8.1

Pip

@KevinvanderVelden sorry about that

Kevin van der Velden

20:39

Nothing to be sorry about =p

Pip

@IcyDefiance Options one known, nothing there yet

Kevin van der Velden

It's just feedback ^^

Pip

:D

Huh..... both Icy and another friend of mine are reporting the exit button not working..... hm

Kevin van der Velden

I didn't get the exit button working either

I assumed it was known =p

Pip

It was not, thanks

I wonder why D:<

Icy Defiance

20:41

well it was easy to get vim working on windows. YCM, though...so painful...

Pip

Ouch

Icy Defiance

the people who make this software are such damn elitists and refuse to explain things to anyone, so the instructions are so high level as to be useless

Pip

Lol

Also, apparently Skype keeps working if you move into a TTY console (just the voice part, not the video part)

huh

Kevin van der Velden

@IcyDefiance ycm?

Icy Defiance

YouCompleteMe. autocomplete for vim.

Kevin van der Velden

20:47

Aah

@Pip why wouldn't it? =p

Pip

No idea, just interesting :D

Icy Defiance

I think it's because I'm using x64 vim and libclang.dll was compiled for x86...but there's no x64 binary download for libclang.dll, so I need to compile it myself?

so confusing

tempted to just set up a dual-boot into ubuntu/gnome and just stick my programming environment there

that's just way more annoying over the long run than keeping everything in windows

Kevin van der Velden

@IcyDefiance you can also use vmware

Eer. virtualbox

That offers a seamless mode

Icy Defiance

vms are slow and annoying though. I wouldn't use them for anything I spend a lot of time on.

I've tried before. Just way too irritating.

Kevin van der Velden

They're not really now a days. How old is your CPU?

It probably has support for virtualization (you may need to turn it on) and it runs at near host performance

Icy Defiance

20:55

i7-3770. not that old.

I was trying to use monodevelop in a vm just a month or two ago

wasn't fun

Kevin van der Velden

i7 has support for virtualization

Turn it on in your BIOS and try it out with virtualbox

The 7DRL game, which is pure software, runs at the same speed in my vms as on the windows host

Icy Defiance

ah bios setting might make a difference. didn't know that existed.

Kevin van der Velden

Yeah, of course, then you'll need to disable the windows virtualization thing

Because it thinks "Hey! It's a cpu with virtualization, let's hog that so no other pogram can use it"

Icy Defiance

but first, I'm gonna try using 32-bit vim

because if I can get it all working in windows, that's the best solution

Wardy

evnin all

Kevin van der Velden

21:04

hey

Hjorthenify

Hello

Pip

Alright, new version

Exit button should be fixed on all platforms

benjaminward.ddns.net/public/downloads

hey Wardy :D

Wardy

hmmmm just loading this envio build of yours

Pip

alright

Wardy

uh .... i don't get it

Pip

21:09

hm?

Wardy

what ya sposed to do

Pip

Not a lot of actual gameplay, been having a blast with the Unity GUI system

Wardy

love the menu screen

Pip

Thanks

Hjorthenify

@pip whats that?

Wardy

21:10

alought I would move the options down

center them

Pip

Game I'm working on @Hjorthenify

@Wardy what options? :P

oh, you mean the actual text?

Wardy

transitions are cool too

Pip

thanks

I was playing with coroutines and got that to work, was fun

Wardy

@Pip yeh i mean the big container section that holds the buttons

Pip

oh, the panel... hm...

I'm going to try it out centered

Hjorthenify

21:11

Ahh I see

Wardy

what you sposed to do atm when you actually get in game ?

I guess nothing atm

like the music too

Pip

it's by @dorfy

Icy Defiance

and now installing 32-bit vim broke its python support :'(

I quit

Pip

lol

Wardy

sup @IcyDefiance ?

Icy Defiance

21:12

o/

Pip

39 mins ago, by Pip

menu is self-explanatory, wasd keys for the game itself (that's temp, will be removed when I get pathfinding working)

Wardy

@Pip ah ok

so yeh i figured out just about everything I could do lol

Hjorthenify

Hi Icy

Pip

The panel looks ugly centered at any lower res than 1080 :/

Dang

Wardy

hmmm ... maybe add something to the sky

like a sun or moon

that should even it out a bit

Pip

21:15

Hmmm that could look nice

Wardy

lol ... i must have a bit of a flair for this design stuff ... too much time looking at naff websites I guess

Pip

I moved it down a bit, looks a bit better now but still probably needs some work

:D

Wardy

Yeh have a play with it

I would say that that whole panel could be quite a bit smaller too

Pip

Exit buttons work now @IcyDefiance @KevinvanderVelden ?

@Wardy That's an issue with screen scaling :/

Wardy

making it smaller might make it work a bit better when centered too

hmmm I just loaded it in to the default 1024 window

Pip

21:17

It looks good at lower resolutions, but at very high res it looks too stretched

Wardy

does it not scale properly ?

I thought unity would handle that

Kevin van der Velden

@Pip yes

Icy Defiance

yep

Pip

It is a bit odd about that, messing with it

thanks

Wardy

np ...

sounds like you just want to play it a bit more

i'm sure you'll find a nice medium in there somewhere

Pip

21:18

yep

Wardy

im having to resort to monodevelop at the moment

VS isn't compatible with win 10

blows chunks big time

Pip

lol

You mean Xamarin or actual MonoDevelop?

Wardy

but there's talk of a dev build next month so I guess I can suffer it for a month

@Pip I mean whatever it is that comes with unity

Pip

Whoa, actual MonoDevelop

Wardy

yeh hardcore huh ... 1 step up from notepad

Pip

21:20

that doesn't even exist on Windows anymore, other than with Unity

Icy Defiance

vs2015 should work on win10 if 2013 doesn't. I'd download the preview of that.

Wardy

tried both

Icy Defiance

huh, that is odd

Wardy

they get right to the end then require a reboot

during the reboot everything freezes

then you have to reinstall the OS

Icy Defiance

league is also broken on win10 right now. I wonder how many other things it'll break...

Wardy

21:21

or do a "refresh"

Icy Defiance

league doesn't break the whole os, though, lol

Wardy

the current build is a bit bare bones though @IcyDefiance so don't panic too much

the current build is literally "here's windows explorer guys have a play"

Icy Defiance

yeah, I didn't even have problems with vista, so I'm not that worried

Wardy

oh and "we tweaked the start menu"

but hey "we gave you a broken version of cortana too"

Icy Defiance

I just hope they put the search function back in the start menu. Was a little annoying having a separate button and keyboard shortcut for that.

when I removed it from my laptop that was pretty much my only complaint

Wardy

21:24

these days I just whack the windows key then start typing

seems to work a treat even in win 10

cortana can also find stuff for ya

Icy Defiance

yeah that didn't work when I removed it from my laptop. I had to hit...win+Q I think

maybe they reverted that change

Wardy

I still have no idea and no will to solve this stupid problem I have

Icy Defiance

ooh python has separate 32 and 64 bit installers. maybe for some crazy-ass reason that's my problem...

Wardy

surely you could install a 32 bit python runtime on both 23 bit and 64 bit systems though

Icy Defiance

yes but I had 64-bit python and 32-bit vim

Wardy

21:28

just wouldn't be quite as efficient on 64bit i guess

@IcyDefiance ah that won't work

Icy Defiance

after reinstalling python and trying to open vim, "An application has made an attempt to load the C runtime library incorrectly."

god damn it

I don't even know what that means

Wardy

python depends on c by the looks of htings

Pip

yes

Wardy

and made a shitty call ... prob because you installed the wrong version

Icy Defiance

lol python wants a 32-bit c runtime?

does that even make sense? I have no idea

Wardy

21:31

uh wtf

lol

try installing the c redistributable

Kevin van der Velden

@IcyDefiance if it's the 32 bit version, yes duh =p

Almo

@IcyDefiance you installed a brand new Win operating system?

Icy Defiance

no I'm just trying to get the YouCompleteMe plugin for Vim working

Almo

MS release designations: Release = alpha, SP1 = beta, SP2 = Release Candidate 1.

4

oh I saw that "league is broken on Win 10" and thought you had Win 10 on

Icy Defiance

oh no, that was just a bug report I saw on reddit

Wardy

21:40

@Almo the irony ... current tech preview is probably the most stable version of windows out

Icy Defiance

a few people were complaining and then a bunch of other people were yelling at them for complaining after using a testing release

Lokkij

So there's this super cool isometric mod for Cities Skylines

Pip

nice

Almo

that's really cool

I'm starting to think cats do understand us as well as dogs, but that they just ignore us most of the time

I cought ThEO off guard just now, said "hey kitty" and he actually responded.

Pip

lol

Icy Defiance

21:49

LOL I might have figured out the C runtime error

CMake includes a copy of msvcr90.dll, which is an old VC++ runtime. Python is finding that in PATH and it's breaking things.

yaaay obscure program conflicts

Pip

lol

Icy Defiance

whoo it works after removing CMake from PATH

Hjorthenify

:D :D :D

Icy Defiance

finally

Wardy

is this a linux thing ?

Icy Defiance

21:54

it's supposed to be a linux thing, but there are windows versions

I'm using it on windows, which is causing half my problems, lol

Wardy

you never get this with windows ... it just refuses to work with some obscure error that reads "open source code writers actively hate this OS so you might as well give up"

Icy Defiance

but I got it working :O

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