Game Development

erebel55

21:01

any of you guys work for google?

Alex M.

no

go to the cpp lounge

erebel55

lol

Alex M.

Mysticial works for google

erebel55

k I'll get him to unban me from adsense

Alex M.

please don't do that

you'll just make a fool of yourself

erebel55

21:03

i'm only joking

Alex M.

great

MickLH

@AlexM. you fool

Alex M.

@MickLH ;)

MickLH

you were supposed to encourage him into doing it he's obviously desperate

erebel55

:)

MickLH

21:05

lol just playing with you

Alex M.

he might have said I sent him lol

Almo

:D

erebel55

so where is this cpp lounge? lol

you mean the c++ chat on SO?

Almo

stay very far away

i went in there once

Alex M.

it's in the netherworld

Almo

21:06

never again, most likely

Alex M.

> In theory, you can. We even set up best practices at one point for how to properly ask. You should read them, most of them are still relevant. However...
The Lounge is one of the (if not the) most active rooms on Stack Overflow. As a result, we got lots of people who rushed in here to ask for help thinking they'll get their answer more quickly than on the main site. At first we were happy to help, but after a while, many regulars got quite jaded, and now the usual reaction is "go away".
Now, if you lurk for a while, you might realize that we have no problem in answering questions asked by…

erebel55

i need to change my default search engine, browser, email, and phone now

lol

Alex M.

while you may or may not agree with that rule

everyone there follows it

and it works

Almo

my complaint was that I asked a question that was generic C. It got deleted the moment I mentioned it was in an Obj-C project.

the problem had nothing to do with obj-c, so i thought that was rude

MickLH

lol well come on... objective C

I can understand their decisions ;)

Almo

21:09

even if they had said "go ask somewhere else about obj-c" fine.

but they deleted it nearly instantly.

obj-c is nice too. :)

MickLH

I was joking earlier :P

Almo

after a certain period of getting used to it being weird. (I knew you were joking)

Alex M.

yeah, questions get binned

if they're not following that rule above

MickLH

but I would understand if they just delete all messages about other languages to prevent flame wars

It's stupidly polarized, and not homogeneously!

Alex M.

however, in the past several months I've never ever seen messages get binned w/o explanation

usually it's binning then something like "no. go ask on the sql chat."

you guys are overreacting imo

MickLH

21:11

your mom is overreacting

Almo

^

Alex M.

shrug

ok

MickLH

she just wont keep quiet I have to use a pillow on her face to keep the neighbors from making noise complaints at all hours

erebel55

lmao

Alex M.

Mar 12 at 22:45, by Alex M.

which part of that flexibility are you using now?

Mar 12 at 22:45, by hasherr

Your mom

that's your level mick

hasherr

MickLH

21:12

Winning?

Damn, I guess so, lol I wasn't even trying to

Alex M.

depends on where you're looking from

MickLH

gg!

</powerdouche>

Alex M.

you can't really excuse acting like a 14yo with a powerdouche tag m8

acting like a 14yo is acting like a 14yo regardless

MickLH

I'll try to refrain from switching to high pressure doucher washing in the future

@AlexM. lol don't tell me you're actually offended

er, I mean tell me if you are

Almo

:D

erebel55

21:17

shit be cray

Pip

@AlexM. so.... acting like a Pip or a Grey?

Alex M.

@MickLH not offended at all, just pointing out the fact

considering the age difference between you two

@Pip oi, don't ask for compliments :D

Pip

lol

Alex M.

time for a beer

and more code

MickLH

@AlexM. oh phew for a minute there I thought I had offended myself... by wasting time caring about someones emotions

Noctrine

21:31

:O

Almo

D:

Pip

@AlexM. I am working on MT :)

Alex M.

neat!

@Noctrine the more you post smiley-only messages, the less I understand what you mean :(

Noctrine

What's going on here

Alex M.

things

Almo

21:32

:D

Alex M.

nothing interesting officer

Noctrine

Alex M.

GOTCHA

Almo

hahahah

still laughing

MickLH

Ambivalence about the police comin' straight out the suburbs!

meh doesn't flow so nice

Pip

21:37

bbl

androidmaster

since no one is asking anything about game developement, I have a question

how would one go about saving data of a tile map in java

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

There's a whole array of approaches. :P

androidmaster

I want to allow user to save their map and later load it into the game

Alex M.

a 2D grid saved in a file

androidmaster

Wait wait

let me finishing asking

Alex M.

21:44

aight

androidmaster

I need a fast and efficient way for it to be done for android dev

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

You could use RLE compression. You could abuse PNG and let it use it's palette to optimize storage. You could store the bytes without compression.

androidmaster

my map is a third dimensional array

Alex M.

a 2D grid saved in a file

so it's a 3D game?

androidmaster

three* not their*

third*

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

21:45

Normally, tiles are 2D and cubes are 3D.

androidmaster

yes am using tiles, but i have mutiple layers

Alex M.

multiple 2D grids saved in a file?

androidmaster

good idea

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@AlexM. <3

Alex M.

not sure what you mean by "fast and efficient" tbh

flash memory is fast as fuck

androidmaster

21:46

define tbh

Alex M.

to be honest

give each tile of yours a code, this will represent it in the file

androidmaster

okay thanks for you assistance guys but am just going to have to do it the int by int first and than make it faster....

Alex M.

if it really gets slow, see which one is the most common tile

consider that tile to be 0

androidmaster

WorldTileMap = new int[500][500][WorldDataSoltsPerTile];

Alex M.

and save/load sparse matrices

androidmaster

21:48

thanks but i think am going to do some research on how notch does it for minecraft

Alex M.

feel free

just keep in mind minecraft might require optimization that is not worth going for in your case

saving 500x500 ints to a file should not be slow by any means

hasherr

I have lost all motivation to do anything productive at all.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Seriously, you can load millions of a tiles in a matter of ms.

androidmaster

??? no am not copying minecraft, i just wanted to see how he did it

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Not sure how much faster you need it.

hasherr

21:49

I even skipped school today so I could do my homework that I didn't finish yesterday, and I still can't force myself to do it.

androidmaster

hasherr

Alex M.

I skipped college today to sleep

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Also, don't preoptimize. It's stupid.

androidmaster

how old are you guys

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

589

hasherr

21:49

I'm 16.

Alex M.

845

androidmaster

really?

Alex M.

this is my 45th college

hasherr

Yeah.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

We're pretty old.

androidmaster

21:49

am 15

Alex M.

William is my kid

androidmaster

am the youngest :D

Alex M.

he's a good boy

but when he goes around the ladies

oooooh boy

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Only at my 26th college. Wasted much time on 'dem ladies.

Alex M.

yeah, told you to take it slower!

androidmaster

21:50

william/alex

Alex M.

bah, boys will be boys

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

:(

androidmaster

what langauges do you use

MickLH

They are religious to C++ only

androidmaster

really?

MickLH

21:51

Yeah it's the best

Alex M.

yes

C++ is really awesome and does all the things

MickLH

leal

androidmaster

i use java, javascript

MickLH

ewww

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I mainly use C#, but I can find my way around most languages. It's mostly a matter of API and not really the language.

MickLH

21:51

plugs nose

androidmaster

hey am 15

MickLH

hahaha I'm fucking with you dude

androidmaster

i learn from online tutorials

Alex M.

I have a theory

the younger the programmer, the more extreme the optimizations he "has" to do to his code are

androidmaster

i cant go to college/classes like you guys

MickLH

21:51

I have chronic trolling disorder, @androidmaster, there's nothing wrong with Java

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I'm not in college

Or perhaps I am.

I'm unsure

Alex M.

I missed 4 labs on networking

androidmaster

but i though you were those C++ trolls that say jokes like "Hey java, knock knock .... ... hello"

Alex M.

not sure how much longer I can keep this up

@androidmaster nah, we never do that

androidmaster

okay

Alex M.

21:53

it's never fun because java users take so much time to get the joke

BAHAHAHHAHAHHA

androidmaster

:O

Alex M.

sorry.

androidmaster

java nots that slow....

T.T

Alex M.

I don't really program in C++

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

It's slow compared to flutter++.

androidmaster

21:53

since you are C++ trolls

how do you feel about .net

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

It's awesome.

MickLH

you thought about winning the game

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I met my wife at .NET

androidmaster

interesting...

i though upper programmers mocked it for being messy and what ever reasons they have

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I honestly don't really care about how a language performs.

If it solves the problem, it's great.

androidmaster

21:55

hey does anyone know Z80 assembly

MickLH

yep

androidmaster

?!

MickLH

it's almost the same as DOS 16-bit assembly

androidmaster

MickLh teach me you're dark ways to learn C++

learn everything about C++

I'll have 3 months to do anything this summer, how did you learn

than I'll be able to use the NDK for android :)

MickLH

I don't know lol I'm just an alien, my methods never work for anyone else

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

21:56

You learn by tinkering.

androidmaster

if only I knew C++, I wouldnt need to work so much about add more physics to may game

Alex M.

androidmaster

alex whats that

Alex M.

I've never really had anything like this before

it's an irish stout

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@androidmaster, You realize that C++ is no better at adding physics than Java?

androidmaster

21:57

whats that

Alex M.

it doesn't have the burnt wood taste my current favorite has

androidmaster

@William'MindWorX'Mariager but in Java, I have to worry about the performance on android espeically

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Might be able to microoptimize a bit, but really, that tiny gain won't matter for 99% of games.

Alex M.

but it's a lot more balanced

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@androidmaster, Do you have performance problems?

MickLH

21:58

@androidmaster You should be using middle-ware either way

Alex M.

it's twice as expensive as the beer I usually buy but I'd go as far as to say it's worth it

androidmaster

not right not, I have refrained from adding a lot of things

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Why?

If you don't have a problem why worry?

androidmaster

I was afraid of performance

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Who knows, maybe you're just wasting your time for no reason.

androidmaster

21:59

I plan to add network multiple player but I want to make sure that everything runs as smoothly as it can

MickLH

@AlexM. you're making me hungry for a beer lol

androidmaster

@MickLH but isnt beer bad for you

Alex M.

^ android games today

androidmaster

written in C++

Alex M.

and androidmaster is afraid saving 500x500 ints will be slow

MickLH

21:59

@androidmaster Living on this planet is bad for you, good luck!

Alex M.

@androidmaster nope

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