Game Development

Pip

00:00

aww yeah

it is all fixed

Alex M.

is everything on pygame's site dead?

install notes page goes 404

ftp doesn't work

wtf

Pip

lol

the bitbucket repo is good

it has all the same stuff as the site

Alex M.

checking that out

Christian Careaga

Installation notes doesnt work

Alex M.

holy shit, python got a new site

it's so smooth and pretty

Christian Careaga

00:03

I know! it's much easier to look at!

Pip

it is :)

Christian Careaga

@Pip when was 3.4 released?

Lasse

imgur.com/gallery/Wa53gf9

can't be that hard

Alex M.

I was never able to fly a helicopter in bad company 2

even after playing for 60+ hours

it's still not as hard as flying in gta san andreas tho

Pip

@ChristianCareaga a while ago, idk

March

3.5 was released recently, but there is no Pygame for it yet

Alex M.

00:10

a pygame cheatsheet: inventwithpython.com/pygamecheatsheet.png

exactly what I needed

Pip

@AlexM. LOL

Alex M.

well I only need to learn how to draw rectangles for what I want to do

Pip

I already know all of that, but that would have been useful when I was learning :P

what are you trying to do?

Alex M.

experiments with pathfinding and lighting

or the two combined

I guess that adds raycasting in too

BlueBug

pathfinding lighting? Light that lights your path? or path that glows? Either way it sounds cool.

Alex M.

00:19

I never said pathfinding lighting though :P

but you did give me an idea

BlueBug

my words are full of inspiration and creativity. u r welcome Alex :)

Alex M.

heh

BlueBug

Heroes of the Storm looks nice. Its faster pasted and simple with depth, just like Hearthstone. I guess this gamestyle is what Blizzard is aiming for.

Pip

@AlexM. that. sounds. cool

@BlueBug :)

Hearthstone is fun

BlueBug

aye and the game doesn't take long to have fun either; very casual. Cool game.

Alex M.

00:26

ok, cool, got my hello world going

import pygame, sys
from pygame.locals import *

pygame.init()
fpsClock = pygame.time.Clock()
window = pygame.display.set_mode((800, 600))
pygame.display.set_caption('Pygame')

while True:
	window.fill(pygame.Color(255, 255, 255))
	for event in pygame.event.get():
		if event.type == QUIT:
			pygame.quit()
			sys.exit()
		elif event.type == KEYDOWN:
			if event.key == K_ESCAPE:
				pygame.event.post(pygame.event.Event(QUIT))
	pygame.display.update()
	fpsClock.tick(30)

I'll do the rest tomorrow, it's 4 am

Pip

lol

that is such a horrible way to do at.....

BlueBug

4 am wooha late night programming, must be. Much passion.

Lasse

it's only 3:30am !

Alex M.

@Lasse I round because I do stuff before going to bed

actually considering I'm going to take a shower

I'll probably only go to bed at 4:30

Lasse

long shower eh

Pip

00:28

@AlexM. you did the escape key thing wrong....

well

Alex M.

@Pip works for me

Pip

not wrong, just not the best way

Alex M.

I'll change it later if it won't do the job

Pip

you should do:

key = pygame.key.get_pressed()
if key[pygame.K_ESCAPE]:
    pygame.quit()
    sys.exit()

Alex M.

okay

MickLH

00:40

@Pip actually, you should do it @AlexM.'s way

You can miss input with polling, event driven input fixes that

Lasse

event driven can have some tiny itsy bitsy amounts of input latency

Icy Defiance

still better than missing input

MickLH

polling can have some latency

hasherr

pcpartpicker.com/user/hasherr/saved/43ge

Pip

@MickLH the key events clutter up the program that way

hasherr

00:42

Okay, final build :)

Already ordered my RAM and my Optical drive

Pip

and they can slow down the program a LOT if used like Alex did @MickLH

MickLH

@Pip Then you shouldn't be executing heavy processes in event handlers

Pip

@hasherr lookee at my new commit

@MickLH :/

Icy Defiance

from pygame's own documentation:

> Getting the list of pushed buttons with this function is not the proper way to handle text entry from the user. You have no way to know the order of keys pressed, and rapidly pushed keys can be completely unnoticed between two calls to pygame.key.get_pressed(). There is also no way to translate these pushed keys into a fully translated character value. See the pygame.KEYDOWN events on the event queue for this functionality.

pygame.org/docs/ref/key.html#pygame.key.get_pressed

Pip

that is saying that it is not supposed to be used for typing, etc

MickLH

00:44

@Pip One way to solve the lag issue without missing keys is to create a command queue

Icy Defiance

> rapidly pushed keys can be completely unnoticed between two calls to pygame.key.get_pressed()

that applies to a lot more than just typing

Pip

yeah, true :P

@IcyDefiance alright, fine. but for things such as arrow keys, who really can press and release one in less than a fortieth of a second

Lasse

@MickLH please tell me, why I see a triangle sometimes when I change my code or not, and mostly never

Pip

or even a thirtith

MickLH

@Lasse well the easy first guesses are uninitialized data or race condition

Lasse

00:46

the only triangle I want to see appears randomly

BlueBug

Unity checks for input(touch, android) in the update loop. I wonder how I would be doing event driven input check in Unity.

Lasse

I tried to sleep in between buffering the data, but no help

hasherr

I'm justt gonna post my build on reddit

MickLH

@Lasse Then maybe you're pointing invalid memory somehow, the GPU tends to just accept those and work the data

hasherr

get their seal of approval

BlueBug

00:47

your build? game?

hasherr

Computor build

Lasse

I have debugged, and the data is always in the array

Also it is in the correct format and the indices are the way I want them to be

Icy Defiance

@Pip it happens, and maybe not commonly, but the possibility means it's just better quality to make sure you get everything. especially if the frame rate hiccups or something.

MickLH

Are your shaders janky?

Pip

meh

Lasse

00:49

They are just passing the values from the arrays thru

MickLH

@Lasse is your shader loader janky?

Icy Defiance

and as far as the events all cluttering things, I honestly doubt it would be that bad if programmed properly...

Lasse

for testing purposes

... I don't think so how would I test that? T_T

MickLH

Not sure how your abstraction layer works, but unless you specify string length, OpenGL expects a null at the end

Lasse

I guess opentk would take care of that for me, since it just accepts C# string

Pip

00:50

@IcyDefiance you can create your own events, and they go into the same buffer as the pygame ones

Icy Defiance

hmm... I still don't see the problem, but having that kind of event queue is already odd

oh wait that get() function returns the event and removes it from the queue doesn't it?

Pip

yeah

Lasse

using(StreamReader reader = new StreamReader(path))
{
	GL.ShaderSource (ID, reader.ReadToEnd ());

	CheckError ();
}

It does not produce errors, so I guess it's okay

Icy Defiance

I'd make a "handleEvents()" function that loops through every event, with a switch statement that forwards to another function based on type. like "switch (event.type) { case KEYDOWN: handleKeyDown(); break; }"

that's C# syntax, but meh I'm not familiar with python

you'd also have to pass the event to that handleKeyDown function

Pip

lol

MickLH

00:54

+1 for the dispatch table approach, clean and scalable

Icy Defiance

because even if you don't use events for handling input, that's just a slight linear decrease in the number of types of events to handle. you're not really solving any problems that way.

Lasse

Uhh why are all of the ShaderSource functions in the OpenTK source throwing notimplementedexception

Pip

idk

user4704

In the source or at runtime?

Lasse

in the source

user4704

01:00

Every function in the source throws.

Lasse

oh, lol

user4704

They re-write the implementation post-build.

Lasse

okay

user4704

That's how they generate the interop calls.

Lasse

I also noticed I am missing glCompileShader call

I still get no triangle on screen

Stack Exchange

01:02

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Q: Should "joystick hotplug on OSX" be reopened?

Yet another question about what is on-topic. This question, to me, appears to not be a black-and-white violation of the definition of topicality. Hotplugging Joysticks And Gamepads On OSX was closed unilaterally and followed by a long string of comments. Stay tuned for my related meta posts,...

discussion

Icy Defiance

lol, I try cloning OpenTK and it crashes GitHub's client XD

I think it's just being spiteful today

Pip

@hasherr did you see my commit?

cya all for tonight! I am going to bed

hasherr

01:24

Do I need thermal paste for an intel processor?

I know that some of them come thermal ready with the fans

Lasse

The fan you'll get with the processor will have thermal paste on it

hasherr

Okay, awesome.

Lasse

well, actually it's the cooler that has it, not the fan

hasherr

Right

I talked to reddit a bit

@Lasse Here she is

pcpartpicker.com/user/hasherr/saved/43ge

Lasse

cool

I'm not personally fan of asrock, but I guess it'll do

I don't have any evidence to back up my feelings for it

Icy Defiance

01:31

lol you know, I don't either, but I've been avoiding them just because it "feels" cheap

probably because their name sounds like asus or acer, both of which are cheap

Lasse

asrock used to be the cheapest of the motherboards

not sure if they still are

gigabyte is another one of those bad feeling ones

and asus' boards have always served me well, I got one now in my desktop

Icy Defiance

I've used a few gigabyte parts without a single problem yet. I can't say anything bad about them.

asus parts seem to always have just one annoyance, and other than that they're great. like how the menu on my monitors won't light up unless it's receiving input, so when some change I made rendered a VGA cable useless, it was a bitch to switch the input to HDMI.

hasherr

Networking comes on the board, correct?

Lasse

yeah it does

hasherr

-I was thinking about that.

Icy Defiance

01:36

wired networking, yes. not any wifi support.

hasherr

Shit

Lasse

I've never used anything else from asus than motherboards and gpu

hasherr

Where do I get networking support?

Icy Defiance

you can buy internal cards for it, or a USB adapter thing

Lasse

Oh, right, wifi does not come built in motherboards

But you can plug RJ45 cable in the board

hasherr

01:37

Hold up

My board has a deal on it right

now

Lasse

actually! I once got asus mb with wifi on it :D

I still got the antenna somewhere

Icy Defiance

it does look like some mobo's have wifi... but not hasherr's

hasherr

Free wireless adapter w/ purchase, limited offer

Is this what I want?

Lasse

if you are using wifi, yes

hasherr

Yes?

Icy Defiance

01:39

yep

Lasse

not, if you are using network cables

hasherr

THIS is what I want? Because if so, I'm buying it right now

@Lasse I might be using them, but I can just not use the adaptar, right?

Icy Defiance

this is that adapter: newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833389005

Lasse

Yeah

Icy Defiance

Wireless N, 300 Mbps...nothing wrong with it that I can see

Lasse

01:40

@hasherr this is what a network cable looks like:

hasherr

I know what an ethernet cable looks like

lol

Icy Defiance

this is what wifi looks like:

Lasse

I wasn't sure since you were wondering if you were using it or not :D

hasherr

haha

Okay, so should I buy the board right now?

Icy Defiance

I don't understand your question

hasherr

01:42

lol I'll buy it

I have a really hard time buying things

Because I hate spending money

Lasse

If you get free stuff, why not even if you won't be using the stuff?

John McDonald

Icy Defiance

what the hell. I try connecting to my minecraft server on localhost twice, and both times I get a "read timed out" error. on localhost. like the server itself detected me trying to connect and still timed out. but the 3rd time I try to connect, it works fine. I changed nothing.

I don't understand! :'(

Lasse

running quarry?

Icy Defiance

nope

Lasse

01:44

dunno then

GnomeSlice

Glu Shutting Down Gamespy Service, Affecting A Reported 800 Developers And Publishers

wargh

Lasse

huh? gamespy still running?

I thought it died long ago

ClassicThunder

Yeah they're shutting down their halo ce servers too iirc.

GnomeSlice

seems like a lot of servers are closing down with it

hasherr

Okay

buying mobo now

I bought too much stuff today

ClassicThunder

01:50

I'm getting a new case, more ram, ssd, and a graphics card next pay check. Been 4 years or so since the last upgrade.

Lasse

I got AM2 motherboard, not upgraded after I got that

It's not even AM2+

just AM2

hasherr

Yay

Lasse

Oh and all of the 4gb of DDR2 memory

hasherr

Mobo ordered :)

Lasse

Also I can't reinstall windows on it even though it requires that badly atm, because the motherboard is not win7 compatible and none of the drivers I've tried from the web have worked, so the windows installer just won't even try to install without the drivers

It's just pure horridness trying to play games on it

which does not really differ from windows in general, but anyway

Almo

02:16

hahah

:D

hasherr

I hope my machine can run Dayz

Almo

oh shit

hasherr

I'm pretty sure it will

Almo

that kills Supersonic Acrobatic Rocket-Powered Battle-Cars :(

people were still playin that online and it launced in 2008 without advertising

fucking great game

hopefully a sequel sometime

Game of the Year 2008 in my opinion

BlueBug

02:55

I went for night walk

now I feel so refresh! Can do some more code!

MickLH

I was moping about having nothing but beans and pasta to eat, but then I realized I have the stuff to make honey vanilla toffee

Now that I can eat a cooked block of sugar, I feel much better about my life

BlueBug

sugar solves every problem! more sugar!

but really, @MickLH this is what's really behind your sugar.

you are drinking modern slavery of child labor.

MickLH

mmmmm so fucking delicious

flagged

BlueBug

?!!

MickLH

hehehe jk

deleting it doesn't protect you

the cats out of the bag

BlueBug

03:01

oh no!! collapses on the ground please, if they ban me, I have no other life than here.

#internetLife4real

MickLH

well in that case, I'll have to actually flag it, for your health

maybe you'll get laid!

BlueBug

will... I? in that case... ok. I will take the flag for a chance to get laid.

#dealWithDevil.

MickLH

:D I always like a good deal

Maybe this guy has something else as awesome as the delicious powdered slavery

BlueBug

shivers how many innocent internet souls have you perished. Alas.

MickLH

Hey man, I'm moral

I believe our slaves should be robots, not children!

Children fuck up too often

BlueBug

03:06

lel

MickLH

I at least got the honey from a local dude

BlueBug

?! I was gona say something heartwarming.

Icy Defiance

being decent is too much work

MickLH

I feel like I'm getting some pollen from eating the honey from the bees that fly around me

I used too much oil in my candy

BlueBug

it's prob not real honey. Real honies are expansive. Check your bottle. It's probably sugar(child labor) contained. Bees have no business with it.

MickLH

03:10

Lol nope definitely honey

No labels on the jar, just a mason jar from the guy down the street with the beehives lmao

BlueBug

oh, ok. Noice. Real honey, very healthy for you.

MickLH

Although I did use lots of straight up sugar too

BlueBug

xD

MickLH

That I just got from a store, that probably comes from delicious child labor

But at least it's organic so I'm not too fucked :D

I'm lucky I cut the butter with coconut oil

I used way too much oil but the coconut taste works well

Aidan Mueller

Minecraft forge has a bit of an easter egg in it's setup code:

def post_decompile(mcp_dir, fml_dir):
    if False:
        print('hi')

BlueBug

03:16

coconut oil, my favorite as well. but I ran out of it some time ago :(

MickLH

@Pip consider yourself, pinged!

I can't believe how much sugar I'm eating so fast lol

MickLH

03:35

I really want diamond cookware with aerogel handles

Lasse

@MickLH I thought all sugar was organic

Do they actually put the stamp that says "ORGANIC!!!!11" on them nowdays too?

BlueBug

nowadays I see less "organic" but more "natural food" or "real ____ contained" which really means nothing since all foods are natural and the amount of contained ____ can be ridiculous small yet they are eligible to make that statement.

MickLH

They have to have some amazing way of producing "sugar" by letting a GMO enzyme process waste ash from industrial CO2 with water by now

Lasse

I hope you don't eat factorized meatballs

They contain everything but meat

Like skin and shit

well, not shit in this case

BlueBug

eyes brain & buttholes stuff like that.

MickLH

03:48

no the shit too, they just wash it with ammonia

Lasse

The sugar you eat comes from sugar canes or sugar beet

MickLH

Lol yeah the sugar I eat does

Whatever the fuck they sell at the 99c store though, that shit's not from a plant lol

Lasse

and then there's fructose, lactose and xylitol

those are all sugars too

MickLH

don't forget dextrose!

Although I don't know about xylitol

Lasse

hmm I wonder where xylitol actually comes from

MickLH

03:51

Seems fishy

Wiki says it's a sugar alcohol, not sugar

Lasse

it can be categorized as sugar alcohol

but it's still sugar

MickLH

I wonder what happens if you make ethanol from that

Using an encyme

Lasse

Xylitol

| Section2 = | Section3 = | Section8 = }} Xylitol (; , xyl[on], "wood" + suffix -itol, used to denote sugar alcohols) is a chemical categorized as a polyalcohol or sugar alcohol (alditol). Xylitol has the formula (CHOH)3(CH2OH)2 and is an achiral isomer of pentane-1,2,3,4,5-pentol. Xylitol is used as a diabetic sweetener which is roughly as sweet as sucrose with 33% fewer calories. Unlike other natural or synthetic sweeteners, xylitol is actively beneficial for dental health by reducing caries to a third in regular use and helpful to remineralization. Multiple studies utilizing electr...

it says nothing about it's laxative properties, have I been lied to ? :|

Oh it's in the safety section

But if it's alcohol, do you get intoxicated?

> In one study of 13 children, four experienced diarrhea when consuming over 65 grams per day.

I find it funny they used children to test that out

MickLH

definitely alcohol lol, idk lasse chug a few shots of it see what happens

fuckin science up in here!

Lasse

I don't have enough xylitol with me here right now

Aidan Mueller

04:02

@Pip Does Malware Tycoon contain actual malware?

'cause I might be interested. Not sure though.

BlueBug

04:16

I delete my steam client. Too much dota. Need to spend more time doing other stuff.

Lasse

You have only dota in steam?

Damn you're lucky

I got 229 games on steam

BlueBug

no. lel. I have already fell into Gabe's summer sale trap.

how many of them do you actually play?

Lasse

at the moment, none. I play minecraft

BlueBug

lmao

ok let me rephrase, I think that was a poor question

how many of them have you played?

Lasse

almost all of them

BlueBug

04:18

oh then. It's worth it man

I am like... I bought them cuz they were on like 90% sale... but I haven't played them.

OTL

Lasse

Then I got more games on gog

Aidan Mueller

I have Portal 2 on steam, but I haven't played it yet.

Lasse

and still sometimes I wonder what I should play

Aidan Mueller

Though I've played Portal 1

BlueBug

#firstWorldProblem

Lasse

04:20

"nothing great to play"

some of the games I got on steam I don't consider I have played them because they simply don't work

like bad company 2

It always crashes on the first couple of minutes of the first mission

and then there are games I got there from some cheap packs

like the rockstar pack I got two years ago

BlueBug

me take a "nap" , be back in like 5 hours.

Lasse

I haven't played any of the GTA games I got in that pack, and the last GTA I have played is vice city which I own a boxed version too

hmm, that might be a good idea for me too

I'll have a "nap" too

Aidan Mueller

05:35

I finally managed to install minecraft forge development kit. But I had to use an older version because of reasons, and forge has some bugs in its setup code, so I had to fix the setup script for forge.

WHY?!?!?!?

Description	Resource	Path	Location	Type
Resource leak: '<unassigned Closeable value>' is never closed	RegionFile.java	/Minecraft/src/net/minecraft/world/chunk/storage	line 185	Java Problem
The assignment to variable par2 has no effect	EntityLivingBase.java	/Minecraft/src/net/minecraft/entity	line 1213	Java Problem
Build path specifies execution environment JavaSE-1.6. There are no JREs installed in the workspace that are strictly compatible with this environment. 	Minecraft		Build path	JRE System Library Problem

So apparently Minecraft has some issues in it's code.

Maybe it got messed up with deobfuscation, but this is why you should pay attention to warnings.

Aidan Mueller

06:11

OK, bye.