@AlexM. how do you not see right through this one? make android more incompatible with itself and confusing for end users, clear cut marketing strategy for windows phone

just do iOS dev exclusively. Ignore droid and windows phone and be done with it. :)

droid users don't pay anyway

I'd focus on Google's stuff as much as possible actually

Google bought pretty much everything that will be important in the future

your excessive apple fanboying makes it impossible for me to respect you

Apple is still playing in the sandbox

Apple users paying more for apps won't matter when Google will be the one making your appliances

How could I expect relevant facts when I always get biased opinion instead

your home robot

your car

your NASA spaceships

also Apple users paying more won't matter when Google becomes the only ISP in the world

the sole owner of everything

pc dev 4ever

^

this is sort of funny if you look at it actually

while Apple is showing off some trashbin mac

Google decides to be the only one building spaceships for NASA

makes Android and its competition with iOS seem like a sideproject by a tiny team of theirs

I find Google's broad range of business interesting

very diversified

well they're clever

I applied for a job at Google Montreal to work on Chrome

remember when laptops were the new thing and desktops were "dead already"

instead of trying to gain monopoly now

but they wanted me to go to the Googleplex.

Google's great until they decide to abandon whatever it is they're dabbling in within a year.

which I can't do since we're not relocating any time soon

they're securing their monopoly for later

Or when pocket PCs were the same

See also: everything that Google has ever done.

at least they fail fast

haha

slate.com/articles/technology/map_of_the_week/2013/03/…

Google is one of the better companies around, even if I think android is a piece of shit

I was never affected by any of their cancelled stuff

what was the thing that triggered your distrust of google, Josh?

if it was one thing

yeah I'm curious too

I think what matters was made to work well enough by Google

tiny services are unimportant anyway

except android

in what ways does Android not work?

never been impressed with its interface

and the whole OS model causes issues

that's not exactly a valid point

since each manufacturer has its own interface

with providers like samsung not updating their version of droid

so the OS feature space is inconsistent

there are Nexus phones for those who care about updates

I think they would have been better off making their own OS for their own phones and calling it good.

Agreed

but it's not about people who care about updates. it's about fragmenting the userbase

I have a cheap Android tablet that I use to play Fruit Ninja sometimes.

customers for Samsungs are average users

so us developers can't develop for the new featuresets

and the average Samsung customer buys the new Galaxy S the moment it gets released

that's Samsung's model for updates

iOS new version uptake is staggering. so when new features hit, you can use them

iOS 6 works all the way back to iPhone 3GS

I don't like how there's two buttons to "close" an application (except it doesn't actually remove it from memory).

so you can use iOS 6 features and not worry much about whether someone's phone will support it or not

I think updates are fine among Android devices

I mean if you're still building for 2.1 you should probably take a pause and gtfo

iI always choose to decline updates

you don't have to reach every user

and almost everyone runs 4.0 or above

no but you want to reach a large number

and I think 4.0's API is decent enough to work with

when Game Center came out on iOS, you could use it almost immediately

while not alienating others

I've never had an app fail to work, even though I've always declined updates since the beginning

And kept my phones at least 3x longer than average

@Almo that's not how you compare them

you can do an iOS vs Samsung's Android comparison

and whenever Samsung releases a new update, every Samsung owner gets it

I've also never seen a new feature in the API that I liked

I think we're all forgetting the true mobile operating system here: Chrome OS.

lol chrome os

Only more bugs introduced that I have to work around

just wait until Google gets to own everything cloud

Chrome OS will be the only viable OS

ChromeOS = Linux stripped out of everything except Chrome Browser

Mozilla finally said something about Firefox OS again recently.

Lol or homebrew... pretty sure homebrew will always be the better option

I see people wanting to buy the new Galaxy S lol

it only has a fingerprint scanner and some random sensor added

but people buy it anyway

as I said, this is Samsung's policy for updates

same as iphone5c/5s

new Android OS for Samsung almost means new phone

200$ more gets you a fingerprint scanner

@Jon well not really

5s' hardware is superior

quite superior actually

Yeah I know :P

you can't tell the difference as well as in 5s' case with Galaxy S

smartphones dumb

^

I think 5s is an ugly phone :\

it looks like some sort of Giorgio Armani special edition

I just want a wristband computer.

something that Romanian gypsies would buy

that charges off my bodyheat

I just use an old flip phone for a cellphone. Not into the iPhone/whatever crud.

of course i feel like a caveman because of this

and you should

because at the end of the day

well....

you are a programmer that does not keep up with technology

I have a smartphone because I've had a use for a pocket PC, and I already carry a phone

if you are planning on developing for mobile.. you should have and understanding of the tech

when the whole world uses smartphones, and you don't program smartphones

you are almost irrelevant

@Almo Your applied for a job to work on chrome? Any chance you can make it not take up so much memory?

I disagree

which is what happens to the programmers that don't keep up with the times.

Fuck following the latest fad

They become irrelevant.

@MickLH that almost is there to defend against any case that you might bring up

like, "for NASA you can still program PCs"

I'll stick to browser and desktop development.

Ok I have to go. Something is lagging. Unless it's Eclipse is running Crysis :)

Why use a stove, when you can use fire

@RobertHolman browser = HTML5 = webtech

If you're following your interest then nothing really matters

webtech = mobile dev nowadays

Jon perfect example

I doubt the Call Of Duty developers are irrelevant because they are not developing for phones.

Some dishes as made over an open flame, despite the invention of microwaves

@Almo CoD is developed for consoles, mainly

that's my point

they are not irrelevant developers

well damn

you said if you're not developing for phones you're irrelevant because everyone uses phones

In fact, cod mobile is irrelevant :P

@AlexM. The other day you wrote my name without a capital "A". How dare you do this?

"in the future"

@AidanMueller I write your name however I want

problem?

A family barbecue is not as crazy as NASA

Yes

it's yours then

take it elsewhere :D

You don't see me going around saying "alexm."

wouldn't care even if you did

the word my girlfriend hates the most is cunt

@AlexM. When the whole world uses toilet paper and you don't even make toilet paper, you are almost irrelevant (to the bathroom industry)

There is a fire alarm going off.

Do you see the error in this logic now?

it's a pretty ugly word, Jon

Stupid fire alarm is so annoying.

@MickLH "bathroom" industry is too broad, sorry

computer industry

your analogy is wrong

Not broader than computer industry

And you have confirmed (explicitly) now that you are not willing to consider another point that could show the error in yours

lol

Bathroom industry? I feel as if there is a pun in there somewhere.

I'm not even bothering that much to confirm anything actually

feel free to contradict me lol

Exactly

Not even bothering to think that much

if it means that much to you that I agree with what you say, then:

you are right

not sure why you are so adamant into proving alex wrong, lol.

I'm don't care to prove anyone wrong, I care to move forward on a conversation

If the path of learning closes, then I find another or abandon the connection

by proving alex wrong

we get it

@Jon because he's MickLH lol

objective-c and java suck anyways

omg

i like obj-c :(

I am beginning to wonder if the fire alarm is a false alarm.

if you don't die, you'll know

else, you'll be dead.

It's not in this building.

Yes! It stopped.

maybe the fire burnt out the alarm circuitry

It was driving me crazy. It was just loud enough for me to hear, but not loud enough for me to understand it.

Oh great, it's back on again.

I'd rather be spied upon than pay $629 for a phone

It has gone off 2 times in a week now.

the chocolate chip muffins in the fridge here are 560 calories. :o

"PrivatOS"

lol wut

maybe its some almost deaf guy's alarm clock.

chocolate chip muffins are horrible for you...

yeah

totally

but they taste good

but at the level of calories... I can't go near them.

I used to eat them a lot.. .then i saw they were like 500 cals each

Totally not worth it.

hahah yeah

@AlexM. Don't rely on almo's offended ego to save you forever, if you show @Lasse tough love about mathematics that he thinks he knows, then you are showing everyone that's how you feel it should be done, so I am obligated by the golden rule to teach you how metaphors work against your will

Metaphors have proportions @AlexM. ;)

I also one time, bought the largest muffin ever.

@AlexM. Can not just get the OS for free?

in montreal

Or cheaper anyway?

how big?

@MickLH or you could just abandon it like you said you would :P

what do you mean by almo's offended ego

I wish i would of saved the pic

also what's that about lasse

urgph

@AlexM. Rather than paying for a secure phone, Richard Stallman choses not to have a smartphone.

and what the hell are you trying to say

I told you, you are right

what do you want more

richard "muh freedumbs" stallman

I want you to understand how little I appreciate trying to jam feelings into a logical discussion without proper disqualification of the resulting statements

I don't really feel like analyzing your novels that much right now mick

@RobertHolman I personally think he is a bit extreme.

either get your point across as quickly as possible, or drop it

it's not like it matters in the end anyway

If you feel that a single sentence which is not run-on can quality as a novel then I am sorry for your state of mind, but I'll get to the point as you request

Stallman IS extreme

but htat's kind of the point

@AlexM. so in my metaphor of comparing browsing the web to taking a shit, actually taking the shit is the internet, and whether you use your hand (PC) like back in the day, or toilet paper (Mobile) there is not just the shower (NASA) which can only break the argument with fallacy anyways, but there is the toilet itself (Routing / Switching network), inseparable from the task of shitting just as much as the toiler paper is

okay

Thank you.

to that I replied with "you are right"

I thought you'd say something new

So essentially, not owning a smartphone, is like wiping your shit with your bare hands.

hahaha

:P if you convert metaphors to similies, yes

otherwise it literally IS wiping shit with your hands ;)

I used to read archie books when I shat... now I play games on my smart phone.

we have a GBA in one of the toilets at work lol

probably full of bacteria.

High tech bacteria house

@Jon most likely

it only has a VRally cartridge anyway

everyone is currently home with pink eye for some unknown reason

get warioware megamicrogames

best gba game

I'd rather play it on an emulator than on the toilet's gba for some reason lol

:D

hahaha

god i hate the friendzone

how the future will be:

for any Person p in the set of persons P

the fireworks are caused by unidentified entities

@Almo why do you say so many reasonable things in a row and then kill it for me with irrational apple hype?

My experience with mobile dev leads me to believe that at this time, the most efficient way to proceed is to go straight iOS and ignore other platforms.

I mean trying to compare stats between Apple and Android app store is ridiculous, Android app store has lower bar of entry which means more free apps which means lower average.

I have direct info about real apps that sell tons on iOS, and their corresponding droid versions sell 5% or less of the iOs version

that's why

If there's already a free version, why would you buy some pay version?

I'm talking about apps for which there is only ONE version

like, Agricola for example

any age of wonders fans here?

there's a new game coming out soon gog.com/game/age_of_wonders_3

preorders started

@Almo All these silly mobile games are interchangable

Agricola is a boardgame

it is not interchangable with anything

Forget about your company and put yourself in the shoes of the consumer who just wants a game to play

@Almo Doesn't Android have the most market share? You'd think Android apps would sell better.

that is the paradox, aidan

@AidanMueller Why would they sell better? There is a free version of everything

@AidanMueller cheap merchandise has a lot of buyers

there is not a free version of everything

@AlexM. For a second, I thought you said Age Of Empires III

I have a good calculator on iOS

RPN and everything

What's it called?

fuck that algebraic shit :)

I don't know the name, actually

that being said, I'm going with Android for my next phone because iOS doesn't even allow me to intercept calls and send SMSs in the background