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20:00
not going to happen
I don't use it enough
Yeah, through their subscription service, it's $10/mo
Boardgame industry has tiny profit margins
screw subscription
I'd be like 'look, you pay me XXX an hour.. and I spend at least an hour fucking around with this thing'
@Almo alot of board games are being digitalised to browser
20:00
I know this
My job is to make iPad versions of boardgames
He digitalized them :p
for a boardgame company
@Dave DAMMIT DAVE
YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT US
they get good money that way though :P
was my point
joapet doesn't know anything about us either
few days ago he told Josh to go try Guild Wars
20:02
I don't know anything about any of you nerds.
goddamn
its first time you've mentioned that when i been in here @Almo :P
wait
@ShotgunNinja that's why you're not invited to the christmas party.
not a problem
20:02
new user
basketball link incoming in 3 2 1...
@VaughanHilts b-but sempai...
now the selection tool has a - by it
in some fucking weird mode
jesus this thing is impossible
20:02
hello there @AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute
WELCOME TO THE WORRRRRRRRLD OF TOMORROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
@Almo GIMP?
yeah
what are you trying to do?
fucking gimp
i have an image
I want to select a rectangle, and clone it somewhere else
ordinarily i select a piece, then splat-shift drag
or something like that
20:03
can you paste a screenshot?
so ctrl c and ctrl v doesnt do it then
but the selection tool is in some weird mode with a - by it
that gets it in some other weird mode where i can't move the "floating layer"
yeah
I think you got it stuck in deselect mode
or something
looks like it
try keeping Alt pressed while using it
I can't remember these things very clearly, when gimp annoyed me the last time I installed photoshop cs2
20:05
@AlexM. Hi! :)
ok got it into the right select mode
now i can't drag the content it just moves the selection box
they gave gimp a really bad name choice given the results you can get when you search "Gimp"
true
but GNU Image Manipulation Program is a nice acronym
Taking it back :p
@Almo you can't drag the content
20:07
i took my gimp back... looked nothing like an item of clothing!
to clone the selection you select the layer you want to clone from
and use Ctrl + C and Ctrl + V
this will autopaste as a new layer
then you use the move tool to move the new layer where you want to
or you may have to confirm it pastes it in a new layer, can't remember
sposed to be alt-shift
keep an eye on the layers
hold down Shift+Alt keys and click-and-drag the selection to move without emptying the original place. A floating selection is created.
this is just moving the sleection box
and there's only one layer
shrug that's too advanced for me
I just copy/paste with layers
20:09
I've done this so many times
and I can never get it to work
Open Source software just is not interfaced well
Blender is hideous
2.51 is not bad :|
i like blender
Interfaces aren't super simple, in open source software most people are incentivized to contribute to their pain points.
Interfacing is a very hard challenge
I wonder if that'd be a good way to attract attention for a dev shop. Contribute new workable interfaces to popular open source projects.
20:10
blender is one of the best free softwares out there considering what it provides
Select the Move tool and set the options to move the selection; the tool supports moving the selection, path, or layer.
I do that. then it saysshift alt to move the content
but alt changes the move tool mode to selection only
i closed the window, reopened the file now it's working as advertised
>:(
weird
finally
assasins creed has installed
took ages!
now the fill tool won't fill the transparent bits
nothing ever works first time :(
@Almo maybe try going to settings and just reset it all to default
20:17
or just use photoshop cs2
it's free
or that ^
Is AC3 GOTY out yet?
that's probably a good idea
@Noctrine no idea i get the game when it comes out
rather than waiting
@Noctrine did AC3 ever win GOTY awards?
actually, I don't really think I got this right
20:19
Or a "Legendary Edition"
or something like that
the publishers release GOTY editions when their game won GOTY awards right?
Usually when the next game in a series comes out they put one out for the same original price with all the DLC
ok getting CS2
did not know that was out free
well, it's not that free
I mean you can use it for free
but it's meant to be used by those with a license
The newest CS is soo awesome though.
20:21
you can use it without one
I signed in to Adobe and it gave me a serial number for CS2
Once they release CS3 for free, all of my high school Flash days will be back with a vengeance.
@Almo I can't remember if they gave me one, but they probably did
I know for sure there was a catch though
Ah right
CS2 is free
@ShotgunNinja Why?
20:24
No catch at all
well I'll try it anyway
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No, CS2 is entirley free. @Almo
I'll probably never use GIMP again.
thanks a lot for the tip
@ShotgunNinja "Once they release CS3 for free, all of my high school Flash days will be back with a vengeance." Huh?
20:29
wasn't a Flash editor part of CS3?
FlashDevelop
wasn't it free?
I mean a real Flash editor.
Or was that still Flash MX 2004?
Isn't there flash cs2?
well
a real flash editor is called a HTML5 game engine :A
20:31
Make assets in Flash and use FlashDevelop to do the code.
Flash CS3 is <3
it won't install >:(
@ShotgunNinja Vista?!
@Almo Win8?
Mac OS
20:32
@ShotgunNinja YOU WORK WITH BROTHERSOFT?!
@AGirlSaidMySmileIsCute just a screenshot from google chill out guys
at the top it says "There were errors with the installation. You may want to try i"
:( no idea about macs
@AlexM. been learning haxe over the last few days. It can degrade from flash to html5 really nicely
oh shit
PPC only
no wonder it's free
o_0
20:34
hey guys btw
I got hit by a car today
:(
@AlexM. Well you seem to be alright. So I assume it wasn't bad.
lol you guys
yeah I was on the sidewalk minding my own business
@AlexM. Goddamnit, I told him to make sure he killed you.
I MEAN...
20:35
and this guy pulled back to stop in front of a shop (to drop products)
didn't see me I think
I wasn't hit hard
but I felt the hit in my right side for a couple of hours after
Is it possible to detect when a location in memory is written?
In a straight forward manner. I know I can do all sorts of hooks and fiddle.
@William'MindWorX'Mariager I think you can monitor changes at certain locations
back in GIMP still hate
lol I'm obligated to say
i have "fill transparent areas" selected
20:37
"Get hit by car, tell GD.SE @AlexM."
but it only fills non-transparent
@Almo Git is horrible
@Almo Invert the selection
@VaughanHilts shush, I got hit 13 hours ago
@AlexM. ;)
20:37
invert?
I waited long enough to not seem desperate
I don't have anything selected
@AlexM. I was pegged like 3 hours ago when I had mentioned it :p
i just want to fill the damned transparent stuff
Whenever I do a format on my computer, I try to use gimp again, and its always horrible. They need to use system native UI for file management, that alone drives me away.
20:38
@Almo make sure the transparent stuff is actually on the same layer
ok will check alex
yeah the file ui is bad
there's only one layer
@Almo select all non transparent, invert selection.
The UI in general on GIMP is horrid :/
say, if you imported a 500x300 pic
how do i slerect all nontransparent?
20:39
and resized the canvas to 800x500
the only layer there would still be at 500x300
@AttackingHobo Almo, not me
he needs the link :D
@AttackingHobo yeah, me too :(
@Almo See link.
:D
ok found fuzzy select
have transparent area sleected
fill doesn't change any pixels
@Almo WELCOME TO GIMP!
20:40
even "fill selection" does nothing
opacity 100
what a fucking piece of shit program
sorry
just really angry at it.
Trying to save a file is way too annoying. I have to constantly navigate to the correct directory, instead of having it remember my directory, or allow me to paste in a path like I can do in photoshop or any other windows program
no, no, no. GIMP isn't bad at all. you just need to be familiar with its logic.
there's a learning curve, but believe me, the learning curve for photoshop is FAR worse
I've been using it off and on for a year and still have no luck
Photoshops learning curve isn't bad at all
I got to terms with photoshop in a few sessions
20:42
@IcyDefiance am I saving files wrong?
I could pick up Photoshop in a couple hours to do pretty much any tasks I need
okay I've missed most of the conversation so far. what are you trying to do, Almo?
Photoshop is pretty intuitive.
I'm a vi user, so I know what steep learning curve software is like and can be good
right now I'm trying to bucket fill a transparent area
So select by alpha, then use the bucket fill tool.
20:43
i have the area selected
I ahve fill selection set
when I fill, nothing changes
Is alpha locked on the layer?
it stops for a while like it's doing the calculations
Have you tried punching the developers square in the face?
how would I know if it were?
Check the Layers panel-thing, whatever they're called.
20:43
there's a check box there
i don't see anything about that in the layers box
I'm downloading gimp on my laptop right now, so I can make screenshots
@IcyDefiance Am I missing something with saving files to make it not suck?
found it
There's also an Opacity slider. It should be next to the layer name above the list of layers.
20:44
@AttackingHobo make what not suck? GIMP? what's your problem?
wow that was goofy
Or on the list of layers, can't remember.
The saving dialoge!
not descriptive enough. like I said I've missed this conversation.
dialoge
20:45
dialoge
such save
so file
wow
sounds like a dialogue doge
if you're trying to save as anything other than xcf, you need to export, not save
"Trying to save a file is way too annoying. I have to constantly navigate to the correct directory, instead of having it remember my directory, or allow me to paste in a path like I can do in photoshop or any other windows program"
wow
such DialogResult == DialogResult.OK
@AttackingHobo I hate Java for that, too. Using it's crippled dialog.
20:45
oh, it always remembers the last directory I saved to. I'm not sure what the problem is for you. :/
you using windows or linux?
strange
I'll hit google and see if I can find something
20:46
solaris
the Windows client is sufficiently derpier than the Mac/Tux client.
Maybe they fixed that. But not being able paste paths is a dealbreaker for any program which I save lots of files.
Chromium OS
just wait guys, with all this crazy shit with Steam on linux
people will take their eyes away from solaris
and 2014 will be the year of solaris
20:46
@AttackingHobo what version are you using?
I tried it a few months ago so whatever that version is
oh, I found something.
"If you save a file to a different location, GIMP will remember that, but only for that session"
that sound right?
Possibly. But thats not as important as being forced to navigate to a path that is just sitting on my clipboard already
that one I'm not familiar with. trying to get it downloaded so I can see it myself.
installing gimp again.
20:50
I seldom copy file paths, so I never noticed if that's a problem or not
Its very nice. Cause I usually have the dir opened in a explorer window when working on the project
So in any save box just ctrl v enter, bam right where I want to be
yeah I can see that. I usually save WIP stuff to my desktop until it's ready to actually stick into the project, so I can just click the shortcut on the left most of the time.
I mean sometimes I have to work on it and keep testing it inside the program itself, but that hasn't been very common for me.
okay got it installed
I'll do a similar video to this when I run a huge game studio:
that's my goal
now I know what to do
GIMP annoyance 1: Steal focus after long loading time.
GIMP annoyance 2: Default layout is spread across two screens in their own floating windows
awesome
20:57
.. yeah, GIMP can be fun sometimes
@AttackingHobo okay, about pasting file paths: you can actually do that in the text box at the top, along with the file name, like "C:\Users\Icy\Desktop\test.xcf", and it will then save it on the Desktop
GIMP annoyance 3: Toolbox window obscures save window
@IcyDefiance HOLY SHIT THEY FIXED IT
Before it would give an error.
the focus is definitely a thing, though on my desktop the loading time isn't long at all. for slower computers, yeah, no fix there.
and the default layout only lasts for the first time you open it. move the windows around and it remembers their positions.
Never fucking steal focus -_-
GIMP annoyance 4: You can't "Save as" or "Save" as a PNG. You have to "Export"
20:59
that's the only annoyance I've noticed, and I have no idea why the hell they did that.
it's a fairly recent update

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