Game Development

Lasse

00:00

yeah super smash bros, mario cart and sports golf are the only games I still play with it, and that's when I got friends visiting

Icy Defiance

the only thing I really want is to be able to put Jet Force Gemini on the Wii, but nooo, it was made by RARE, which I believe was bought by Microsoft, so no support. -.-

Lasse

super paper mario was the best game on wii imo

of the single-player ones

Icy Defiance

oh I didn't try that one

hasherr

I think I'm gonna go for a walk before it gets too cold out.

Then I'm gonna make a raptor.

And maybe pizza, if I has the time.

Icy Defiance

aaaand now I'm hungry

Lasse

00:02

damn, you reminded me of my hunger

it's 2 am I don't want to go and wake everyone up

maybe I should go sleep

Icy Defiance

daaaaang Office 2013 has transition effects EVERYWHERE

type something into word, and the curse slides to the right

like, I'm not sure if I like it or not, but it's still cool

Lasse

yes. that's what I'm gonna do now. sleepy time!

Icy Defiance

see ya

Lasse

night, see you laters

AttackingHobo

@IcyDefiance what?

Icy Defiance

00:05

huh?

oh, typo. should be cursor.

I blame desktop autocorrect.

AttackingHobo

I don't see that happening on my copy.

Icy Defiance

I wonder if I can record a gif with a high enough framerate to show it...

it'll be a minute. gotta wait for another install to finish so I can reinstall licecap.

hmm, it doesn't show it very well...

Almo

@Lasse not being able to upgrade is why i LIKE consoles. As a developer I can guarantee what kind of experience my users will get, without them having to fiddle with graphics settings.

user4704

@IcyDefiance groovypost.com/howto/disable-office-2013-typing-animation

Icy Defiance

thanks, I figured there was a way. there's always a way. I think I'll leave it for a while, though.

I hate people who make knee-jerk, "it's different so I hate it" reactions

so I always give new things a chance to become normal before complaining

this is also why I'm still using, and love, Windows 8

Dave

00:16

square pizza... its different i hate it :P

John McDonald

ehhg. Just had a car pass me on my bike, on a single-lane city street, covered in snow, for no reason whatsoever. 1 block later, and he was waiting in line with 5 other other cars to turn right. Give us some credit, eh @Byte?

Icy Defiance

wait, the car was on your bike?
>.>

Dave

we just had some snow here today first snow of the year and its only november =/ madness

we normally dont get snow until january

Icy Defiance

heh, average first snowfall here is Nov 20. we got our first over a week ago.

John McDonald

:( I was ripping too. Unsafe for everyone involved

hasherr

00:18

Where I'm from we get snow normally starting in December and it normally refuses to let up until March.

Dave

this is what we have been warned: express.co.uk/news/uk/443462/…

quite insane

Icy Defiance

this isn't even bad

this means drive 10 mph slower

hasherr

lol

Well, you're right on the border of freedom and snow, so that explains it.

Icy Defiance

ha, pretty much

Dave

thats last year's

hasherr

00:22

I have no new bands.

I KNOW!

Icy Defiance

snow falls freely here

Dave

and yeh those are are minor but we are not built for it 2 inches of snow and trains stop busses stop etc

our roads are too small for us to grit them

hasherr

I'm wondering how I should spawn my enemies.

Icy Defiance

ah, fair enough

hasherr

Should I have a seperate class which spawns them for the system?

Icy Defiance

00:23

we have all kinds of snow removal

Dave

@hasherr level * base number :P

Icy Defiance

like half of the people I know work for a landscaping company, and all of them do snow removal in the winter

hasherr

I need something efficient.

Dave

the higher you go the more monsters

AttackingHobo

@hasherr No you don't

hasherr

00:24

lol

Almo

he's probably right

Dave

efficient is based on how you implement it

AttackingHobo

Whatever is handling the spawning order and shit doesn't really matter too much

hasherr

I'm thinking just a class which goes into my GameStates and spawns them at random intervals.

AttackingHobo

What matters is if you are using object pools

hasherr

00:24

This would allow me to render them directly from lists.

Object pools?

Dave

so it doesnt get harder as you progress ? which was what my idea was hinting at

hasherr

I'm assuming you mean lists.

@Dave No, not for now.

AttackingHobo

Sure they can be lists.

hasherr

Okay.

AttackingHobo

But pretty much, never destroy or instantiate objects during gameplay

hasherr

00:25

That's what I was using for my Lasers for rendering/updating.

Does making lasers free to GC count as destruction?

AttackingHobo

Yup

Dave

risk of rain has a cool way of doing it the longer you're on a level the difficult increases but you get more rewards so you have to balance it

hasherr

Well then, I've already broken that rule.

AttackingHobo

GC can be unpredictably laggy

hasherr

It works well in this.

It just removes lasers from a list which auto enables GC.

AttackingHobo

00:26

On your system....

Dave

if theres only like 20 things going on in your screen you wont see drop below 60FPS :P

AttackingHobo

@Dave till ya get that nice GC hitch and get some cool frame stutter

Dave

don't pre-optimise

Icy Defiance

eh, in this case it's more good practice than pre-optimization

hasherr

sigh

Dave

00:27

let him make a game first xD

hasherr

lol

Icy Defiance

not like you have to back and refactor code that's already there

Dave

then he can go back and correct / improve

Icy Defiance

fair point

heck I'm usually the one making that point XD

hasherr

I'm trying to get this done by Dec. 10th.

Dave

00:28

i have a bad habit of pre optimising i rewrite things so many times then realise i been doing one feature for weeks rofl

hasherr

If I don't get it done by then, then I doubt I'll finish it. Finals will get in the way and I'll lose my focus on the entire project.

AttackingHobo

@hasherr the last 10% of the game takes 90% of the time to finish

hasherr

lol

AttackingHobo

Not even joking.

Dave

finishing it aint important tbh

just learn the major stuff

hasherr

00:29

Finishing this son of a bitch is all that I ever think about!

AttackingHobo

"The first 90 percent of the code accounts for the first 90 percent of the development time. The remaining 10 percent of the code accounts for the other 90 percent of the development time"

Dave

lols

AttackingHobo

@Dave learning how to finish is the most important part

Dave

but of that 10% only 5% gets done.. the other 5% is sold as DLC

AttackingHobo

Or.. the ahrdest

Dave

00:30

importand can also be hardest :P

knowing when to say "its done" is hard :P

theres -always- something to add / change

hasherr

I'll know when to say 'it's done'

December 10th.

Alright, I'm just gonna do what I think I should for this Entity system.

Create a class called EntityHandler which handles foreign entities and spawns them onto the screen and adds them to object pools.

Dave

orrr

make a rube goldberg machine

hasherr

I already decided that I didn't like Unity.

AttackingHobo

errr what does that have to do with anything...

hasherr

He told me to do that during the weekend when I was messing around with Unity.

I made this weekend all about Unity so that I could immerse myself in it and find something in it that I liked.

Couldn't say that I did.

Dave

00:39

but you dont have to make one in unity :P

hasherr

Too busy making a game right now.

Almo

if two programmers start from scratch, one with SDL the other with Unity, and neither knows SDL or Unity, I bet the Unity programmer will have something working much faster. That's something to like about Unity: it's a great prototyping tool.

hasherr

It's just not for me.

Byte56

01:02

@JohnMcDonald Every day.

Must hurry up and stop.

Noctrine

#browns mind is made up, don't try to change it :p

He knows what he likes and it's not unity :p

Byte56

@IcyDefiance Reddit reference.

Icy Defiance

Ah, the ol' Reddit switcharoo.

Noctrine

What's up peoples

AttackingHobo

@Noctrine SUP!?

Icy Defiance

01:05

oh crap, that chain ends early because of a deleted post. :(

hiya Noc

Byte56

Too long gave up.

Icy Defiance

it ends only 10 links in or so

oh well

Byte56

Screenshot from the game I'm playing:

Noctrine

I feel like doing some Graffiti

Byte56

Noctrine

01:13

Ooo, AC4 is on PC now.

Byte56

Aww yeah.

hasherr

@IcyDefiance The ol' lickaroo?

Dave

01:29

►

rofl!

hasherr

lol...

Icy Defiance

vOv

hasherr

You dind't understand the reference :(

SICGames2013

02:40

Dave you look like someone I use to know and that's scary lol

how's everyone tonight?

yeah Noctrine, I've been playing it today - so far so good; a couple of collision detection glitches that make the character looks like they're spazzing out

hasherr

Good, how are you?

Dave

thats not me lol

hasherr

lol.

Icy Defiance

yeah I wouldn't admit to knowing a gatherer either

hasherr

Wow, I actually wrote an answer on a question, for Unity of all things.

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A: How does scripting in unity work?

I have limited knowledge on the subject of Unity, but I'll do my best to help you here. 1) Scripts are named whatever you want to name them. Whether you want to name them 'MovementBehaviour' or 'ShootMechanic', you can name these scripts as you wish. These scripts can be written in C#, Javascrip...

Did I does a good job?

Let me know if I should add anything.

Icy Defiance

02:56

you're missing a ) in there

Almo

I flagged that to close.

it's a crappy crappy crappy question

Icy Defiance

also it really is UnityScript, not just called UnityScript.

that too

oh hey I can actually edit answers there? :O

Almo

"must show at least basic understanding of the problem being solved"

Icy Defiance

no nvm, it would just deny me

hasherr

Got it.

I think I just became retarded for a second.

Icy Defiance

02:58

points and laughs

hasherr

No way you saw that.

Icy Defiance

nope. but you called yourself retarded, so I'll assume it to be true.

it's funny because you don't really have a mental handicap, at least that I'm aware of.

hasherr

Lol, would I blow your mind if I told you that I had severe down syndrome.

Dave

i demand we remove hasherr's ability to undo what he types

Icy Defiance

yes please

> The average full-scale IQ of young adults with Down syndrome is around 50 (70 and below is defined as the cut-off for intellectual disability)

I'd be seriously impressed if someone with that could program games

heck I'd help. it would be awesome.

hasherr

03:12

Lol

Well, i can assure you that I don't have down syndrome.

But, even people without down syndrome have to sleep, and with that I bid you all a good night.

Vaughan Hilts

04:54

The things I'm asking to work on at work: i.imgur.com/ko05ULl.gif

Lasse

07:22

morning

MickLH

10:00

@VaughanHilts that looks like a really fun game, I'd make the number of clicks and/or time limited, but have the combo points grow exponentially

MickLH

10:17

@IcyDefiance but you can imagine 5D and up, and if you pick flat or an arbitrary exotic you can imagine one of the 4th dimensions

don't discourage the kids, they are the ones with a chance of imagining whether or not non-smooth spheres can exist in 4D, and if one of the exotic spaces is somehow the "one true 4D"

@hasherr invent time travel plz kthx

hasherr

11:16

oi moining

Lasse

11:33

I don't need time travel, but I'd like to have fountain of youth

with that I wouldn't have limited time, but I could die as well if I wanted to

hasherr

Studying for chemsitry :P

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Speaking of chemistry, I hate alloys.

hasherr

Why?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I can't find characteristics for the things I'm looking for.

Tin Bronze (97% Cu, 2.5% Sn, 0.5% Zn)

It's the alloy used for some Danish coins.

I want to explain the advantage of using it instead of pure copper.

hasherr

11:49

Hmm.

I don't know.

ToddersLegrande

13:26

GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD MORNING!

Lasse

good half past three

pm

gotta visit school

laters

Almo

14:22

so I have the bug in repro here on my device, with the debugger connected. Cannot figure out what is going wrong. It's when you try to open the playersidebar. It thinks its opening, the LERP code happens, the tab is supposedly visible, etc. The open/close button changes as expected. But the tab just isn't visible. It's not clickable either.

first time I see this, but it's been reported by quite a few people around the net.

ToddersLegrande

first thoughts are some sort of layering issue, or that theres some quirk of the system you are using that I don't know the knowledge of to make any suggestions :)

Almo

;)

really weird one

the objects are all there

opening the tab raises CPU usage to 63% from 58%

so it's going through all the object hierarchies

ToddersLegrande

14:38

Obviously you aren't calling .Draw() then :P

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Apparently someone withdrew a $5000 pledge on purpose to hinder a kickstarter.

There's no end to the kind of idiots that spawn online.

ToddersLegrande

I love the concept of kickstarter but it has some obvious flaws

Almo

hhaha .Draw() :)

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

What sort of call does this look like:

.text:6F3C3E9E                 mov     ecx, [esp+code_handle]
.text:6F3C3EA2                 push    esi
.text:6F3C3EA3                 push    ecx
.text:6F3C3EA4                 mov     ecx, eax
.text:6F3C3EA6                 call    sub_6F447C30

I'm thinking a __thiscall with two paramters, but it causes a crash. :s

IdaPro detected it as a single argument __stdcall which is no better.

Almo

it looks like assembly I don't fully understand. Sorry I can't help.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

14:50

Wohoo!

It was a __thiscall with a single argument. The push esi is popped after the call so wasn't relevant.

Jovito

Aliens are ready! :DDDD

ToddersLegrande

15:19

@Jovito you are the man

Blue

15:39

Tally ho my fellow hatted minions.

Kevin van der Velden

@Blue crap, I signed up to be a minion when I bought a hat? I didn't know that!

Also hey

Icy Defiance

this is why I never wear hats, only hoods

Blue

Yup, did you not read the EULA on https://privatedomainnobodyknowsabout.tompiddock.com/signyourlifeaway.php ?

ToddersLegrande

I have .php extensions blocked. I never accepted such an agreement.

Blue

https://privatedomainnobodyknowsabout.tompiddock.com/oldversionfortheancientsig‌nyourlifeaway.html

Kevin van der Velden

15:42

@Blue aha! EULA's aren't legal here unless they're shown up front, take that :D

Almo

:( Need to do a diff on two stuctures in the debugger to see what's different :(

Blue

If you would kindly look on the inside of your hats you will see the full EULA.

@Almo what debugger are you using? IDE?

Almo

Xcode

Blue

Damn, I have no exp with that.

Almo

:)

Blue

15:43

I know you can do some neat shit with the Immediate window in VS

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@Blue YOU'RE A HAT!

Blue

Yes, yes I am.

Kevin van der Velden

@William'MindWorX'Mariager this is news?

ToddersLegrande

STOP THE PRESSES

Blue

Hahaha

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

15:51

:P

Blue

That's me

Rockin' the new fight stick that I had to replace the gate in after breaking it trying to FADC Gen in SSF4

ToddersLegrande

woot

Hoping Ultra comes out on Steam / PC somehow

Jovito

Did not @Todders liked it? But I so strenuous ='(

ToddersLegrande

@Jovito Not sure what you are trying to say here. I think you are making great progress on your game.

Jovito

thought you were joking :)

thanks!

ToddersLegrande

16:02

I tend to amplify how I really feel a bit. So while you are not really the man because of your game, you are still doing well.

Blue

@ToddersLegrande It is going on Steam - confirmed. They are using Steamworks to do the networking and community side of the game, you can be sure it will be on Steam.

ToddersLegrande

huzzah!

I've been thinking about getting KoF and Skullgirls off steam as well..

Blue

Don't doubt our enthusiasm for your progress @Jovito. We will support you at every step.

ToddersLegrande

^

Jovito

Didn't know you heard about my game @Blue

ToddersLegrande

16:07

@Jovito it's in the chat history, and this isn't the first time you've posted it, and he'd say the same thing to anyone else :)

Jovito

its mostly done, just need to polish it a little more

@ToddersLegrande its been some time since I posted anything about it, it's way back

ToddersLegrande

Friday? :P

chat.stackexchange.com/…

Otherwise a couple weeks. You're right :)

Recent enough though

Blue

Recent enough and let us not forget the argument I had with whatshisname over his negativity.

Almo

won another Top Teemo game last night. I'm pretty good with him, apparently.

at least against melee toppers.

they come in, blind them, hit w and run away :)

Blue

I support any one who is willing to put in the time and effort to try and better themselves and create something in a subject that they and I love.

MAKING GAMES BITCHES!

Jon

16:20

science

Blue

@Almo Warmog Teemo, global taunt is now a global enemy damage sponge.

Almo

:D

Jovito

@Blue hasherr?

Icy Defiance

yeah, but teemo's damage kind of sucks if you don't build squishy

Blue

@Jovito Probably

@IcyDefiance Who needs damage when you can't die?

Icy Defiance

16:23

well, if they don't die either, you have a problem

and teemo's only a wise pick when jungle and support are both tanky anyway

Blue

Put a Haunting Guise into Liandry's in there and Shroom to win. <3

Warmogs, Warmogs, Warmogs, Atmos, Mercs Treads, Liandry's <- "I'm so totally in Challenger" Teemo

0/30/0 and Stack Health Runes, bind Laugh to right click and enjoy.

Icy Defiance

wait...did they remove teemo's best item? the one that adds magic damage per attack and scales with AP

that with a liandry's and a hurricane were freaking insane on teemo

Blue

Do you mean Nashors Tooth?

Almo

Nashor's Tooth is still there

i go tons of AP with teemo, except the tooth.

Blue

But you don't need Attack speed or AP, you're mother fucking Tankmo.

Almo

16:27

I love when I'm dead and someone dies because they hit a mushroom.

I don't even know where it happened. They're just dead. :)

Icy Defiance

yeah nashor's tooth would be it, though I thought it was a lower tier... oh well.

Almo

You can hear "fucking teemo" all the way across the map.

Icy Defiance

nashor's tooth, liandry's, hurricane, deathcap, and rylai's

by the time you finish death cap, a single mushroom will mean a won team fight

Almo

where's the rabadon?

Icy Defiance

rabadon deathcap

Almo

16:29

oh right :)

sorry

I'd replace hurricane with something else though

moar ap

:)

Icy Defiance

depends on the game. against a real tanky team, or a nasus, I would too

against 3 squishies, nah, deathcap wrecks

err, hurricane wrecks

Blue

Last night:

So proud

Alex M.

gipsy burial in Romania

yes.

Almo

@Blue you mean "such proud" :)

Blue

@Almo - do I?

Almo

16:35

it's a joke :)

Alex M.

wasn't it "much opinion"?

that gif is broken

this one is better

Blue

Dawwww

Not seen this meem

Icy Defiance

and you call yourself a denizen of the internet? :O

or is that just me? is it strange to call myself that?

Almo

it's "doge" (the meme name)

Alex M.

is it just me, or does explaining memes take away all of their beauty?

Almo

16:41

It's just you

:)

Alex M.

yeah, probably

Icy Defiance

they don't have that much beauty anyway, unless they're contextual to the conversation

either that, or just completely out of nowhere, like this:

but timing that properly is much more of an art form

Alex M.

lol

remember how I was telling you about idiots building that huge $$$ cathedral we don't need?

Icy Defiance

a while ago, but yes

Alex M.

there was an outrage now when the orth church decided to build a new church

... after demolishing a kids' park

Icy Defiance

16:47

right, the kids. that would do it.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

What's with all the memes and stuff all the time?

I thought @Noctrine cleared out a ton a while back.

Alex M.

well, if you thought that would stop the users here talking about memes...

BOY HAVE I GOT NEWS FOR YOU

Shotgun Ninja

sup nerds

Icy Defiance

memes are just running jokes. they're often in image form to increase their impact, but they don't have to be.

if you take away the short name, it's pretty much impossible to object to them

and hiya, Shotgun

Jovito

I'm having this problem over and over in my game. I have a solution for it but I've been wondering if there's a better way to work it out. Say I want to move my sprite until it reaches its centerx reaches a certain point, like 440: I want it to go down as soon as its center aligns with this point.

But if I do this:

if sprite.centerx == point:
    go down

the sprite just passes the point like it haven't reached it.

Alex M.

16:58

depending on how you move your sprite there's no guarantee it will actually ever reach that exact point

always use a distance to that point for comparisons

Jovito

why?

Almo

sprite.x += speed.x; if sprite.x > target.x sprite.x = target.x

Jovito

yeah, like a range? @AlexM.

Almo

though you have problems with signs depending on whether speed.x is positive or negative

so there's more to it than that

Alex M.

no, like a distance

Almo

16:59

but that's how I handle it

Jovito

@AlexM. I mean, the way I'm doing it is like this:

ToddersLegrande

@William'MindWorX'Mariager he randomly dumped a night of talking into a noise room. Not sure where it came from. Obviously it was noise but meh.

Alex M.

yes I know what you're doing damnit

ToddersLegrande

Perhaps an official rules of the room needs to be developed

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