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19:00
well not quite because you have to approve edits if editor has low rep
instead he gave a "different" reason
just because you can edit anything doesn't mean you should
I didn't see a different reason, I saw a questioning. :\
so again.. why should i trust that ?
@Dave that was so prototypical & anything in his inheritance chain doesn't approve edits
19:01
and now he seems more ok with just letting trolls defend him as opposed to just coming clean
he put the link back and the problem was over as far as i saw it but the drama would not stop in chat
that's cool too.
Wait.
He put back the link?
but do i trust him.. no...
some one did
either byte or proto put the link back and job was done
19:01
I was in a meeting. Apparently there was a lot I missed.
i just removed the dropbox link and put the newgrounds back
kk, so byte
Why did you remove the newgrounds link?
as I thought if two links were an issue. i'll just have one
@Byte56 hah, you have no idea
@Byte56 content-wise, a lot
19:02
maybe the thing is that byte56 cares about this contest more than anyone
with his entry ?
value-wise, not a lot
this might turn out to be the drama of 2013
i dont' know
haha
i am amused because it's funny that he did that
19:03
page not found :(
@Dave unotcoolenough
It's for those with enough rep
aww
funny...
19:03
how much rep i neeed! :(
le tons
ah i only got 300 on meta
tons and tons of rep, I can't see it either
I see the revision history. what's wrong with the newgrounds link?
I saw proto adding a link to newgrounds with information about the process of adding the game. I didn't see how it was relevant to the game jam, and appeared to be moving the game back to a site with advertising.
19:04
yeah, don't think we'll be getting the truth here. that's cool.
newgrounds is also a porn website
so why didn't you mention the advertising byte56 ?
I know, I fapped to porn games there
Why does this feel like a political thing - "The other guy is lying"
@Noctrine i said this a few hours ago LOL
19:06
I've mentioned the ads a number of times.
Yeha, I've seen the ads mentioned before.
AFTER you removed it
are the ads the issue
just say it and remove it
I questioned why you'd move from a clean site, with no ads, to a site full of them.
Ask forgiveness not permission
19:06
@Dave ha
you removed it.. then i asked you about it.. THEN we talked about the ads
squirm
Fucking prototypical just tell them that dropbox is not meant for hosting, and things that try to use it for hosting usually get removed!
When you were very dodgy about answering why you'd moved to newgrounds, I reverted the link again.
@Noctrine In a moderated community scenario I believe that forgiveness over permission is the route to go. Safer for the community as a whole.
actually @Byte56 asked you why not the other way around @prototypical
19:07
Cause that is a fucking good reason to do so.
ooookie
So yeah, I am in agreement with Hobo. I don't think Dropbox is really the place to host things, ( I wanted github pages)
At least in reference to a moderator editing something out until its been determined to be valid
Dropbox has links 404'ed all the time, newgrounds does not.
i wasn't dodgy - you didn't seem to understand my motive all along was to link back to the gamejam
But in the end, I really don't see the problem with newgrounds as long as people know where it's hosted.
19:08
@prototypical You were dodgy
your original motive or whatever is what created the dodgy drama
Dropbox will block public access if you're thing gets to posted.
some one did mention newgrounds has NSFW adverts and having "newgrounds" in your web history at work might not be so kosher with your boss
His original motive is stated, he isn't out to get you.
Newgrounds does have NSFW adverts, it's actually blocked on my internal network.
right.. so no problem with newgrounds regardles.. but i have something to be dodgy about ? *scratchinghead
19:08
Proto, I kept asking why you'd post a link from here to newgrounds. You continued to answer why you had a link from newgrounds to here.
They're not the same thing.
You seem determined to be angry. Just let it go.
I don't have a problem with it as long as people know they are probably going to get NSFW content.
and given gamedev is generally ok in the career world for a worker to visit ( i think?) that would not be the case if it forwarded use to newground
He asked you a question, you think he has an ulterior motive because of it. Questioning doesn't equal hidden agenda.
why would a link from here to newgrounds be a problem ??
19:09
Newgrounds has NSFW content. This site is decidedly SFW.
We delete things that aren't.
yes, I can attest to that
@prototypical I never said it was a problem. I just wanted to know the motivation.
ok, so if that was said, why would i have a problem with it ?
I find GDSE content difficult to fap to
I think monetization off of adverts and using the site to advertise was mentioned
19:10
You never answered why.
so I can confirm it's pretty SFW
i acutally removed it from the first host because it had that, right ??
If you said what Hobo told you to say you'd probably be good.
You were asked to remove from the first host because the ads were NSFW.
yes, and i did
Yes. If you said you were moving it because the dropbox link was dropping traffic, I would have no problem with that.
19:10
it did take about 2 hours before @Byte56 got his answer - dodging his question only made it suspicious
no problem, right ?
@Dave All me :D
@dave i told him right from the go that it's about promoting the gamejam
lol @Noctrine :P
It helps when everyone is perfectly clear with each other :\
19:11
and also the fact that it's exposing others to a way to promote the jam -- with our games
from what i remember @Byte56 had to ask like 10 times xD
what is wrong with that ?
@prototypical As I said before, linking from here to newgrounds doesn't promote the gamejam.
Yeah, the promotion is cool. He links from newgrounds to here.
Linking from newgrounds to here does.
19:12
@Noctrine MODERATOR OF THE YEAR! high five
If you go through he posts about it, and a few of the comments are like "Wow, that was cool that you did it for a jam"
Now if only we could eliminate some of other drama that goes on...
drama was unheard of last year in here from what i remember
so i can post to newgrounds, but not here saying "hey, it's up on newgrounds promoting the gamejam"
If you are posting it here (and it's going on newgrounds)
Say
19:13
and my point is.. if that is the problem. why ?
Yes, I agreed that posting on newgrounds was good promotion.
but this room has alot less drama than the rooms you find on SO
(Possibly-NSFW) Link
We've just explained it
You can chose to take the explanation or not
@Noctrine that part is clear
*gavel*
19:13
forget occupy wallstreet - occupy gamejam!
*bonk bonk
All rise for the guitar of liberty!
he didn't use that explaination until AFETR he removed it for another reason that you have now said is not a good reason
OBJECTION!
Phoenix Wright is a cool game
Ask forgiveness - not permission
Anyone can edit
19:14
the game is deleted - its done now lets stop now
But leaving it up somewhere where people can possibly be exposed to badness when he could easily revert it
right, i get that. but his motive was not one to solve the problem
@prototypical Just because there are two reasons for removing a link and the first reason became irrelevant doesn't mean the second reason isn't relevant
Is objectively worse than just reverting it
it was to give a different reason. why ?
19:14
His motive was to solve a different problem than the one you are thinking of
his motive was "it wasnt suited for game jam" that does also include NSFW reasons.
oh, yeah.. it's always best to give a unreasonable reason, and avoid the reasonable one
by default
But yeah, to completely close out this.
If you feel as though byte has wronged you in some capacity, then the easiest thing to do
Is just to tell on him. There is a link in the site footer where you can tell the SE team that we are terrible at our jobs. I encourage you to use it :D
For sure.
19:16
what should i think @Noctrine - he basically purposefully gave a different reason and his motive.. is unclear
So tell on him.
tell on him :)
Please do.
@prototypical @Byte56 This entire thing has been fucking unclear. I don't like how either of you are handling this.
19:17
tbh argueing with a moderator's decision should be using the official channels not bringing it up in public discussion
i believe that is a rule
You can totally tell us that we made a stupid decision here. Or in comments.
i'm done @AttackingHobo it is what it is. i'm good with all labeling me as a troll or whatever. it has been amusing. it's quite obvious to me what happened.
I didn't make any moderator decisions. Everything I did could be done by any user with 10k or more rep.
We haven't labeled you as a troll.
Just so ya know.
19:18
if the mods did anything wrong, it's to let this discussion continue in circles as long as it has.
that's "if"
Discussion is healthy :\
oh i see
@prototypical except you just said it .... was ... unclear. =/
@Noctrine you havent'.. byte just allowed that to be happening as he diverted
this isn't discussion any more than the monty python thing is an argument.
19:18
meanwhile, I have to use POSIX threads for an assignment
NOT THREADS. ONE IS ENOUGH.
but what do I say to the prof?
so, yeah. i think i've been unclear that he had some other motive. and he's not going to say that. no mystery why. he doesn't want to be seen in that light
who would ?
I mean the problem text states: "create n/3 threads"
@IcyDefiance is going to be shocked he left from work ages ago and this drama is still on going
19:19
I need to prove n/3 is 1 for any n in a given set
i mean.. it's easier to label me as a troll. i get it ;)
I've told you the motives proto.
ahahah
no, you've went through the excuses. but it's cool
Oy
It's over.
19:20
@AlexM. n = 3; numberOfThreads = n / 3;
Stop.
stahp protot
Stahp byte.
Alex shush
@ToddersLegrande genius :O
19:20
another time out
i am cool with not winning. byte56.. might feel differently. just not something he cares to divulge
game jam aint about winning
@Dave oh I got back 20 minutes ago. been watching.
it's about sending a message
This room was placed in timeout for 2 minutes; the topic of this room is "Game development discussion and other things. Please don't star trivial messages." - conversation should be limited to that topic.
So, about that sports team.
19:23
They sure do move that game object around the playing area nicely.
the timeout effect
its speed
Let's hope the weather continues to stay this mild
the way it increases size
So I have a question, diablo 3 works like this: when player moves on client he sends his position to server and server then updates it and resends it. But d3 bots seems to initialize movement by doing UseSkill(Walk). Any idea how does it work? :)
it's like this
19:24
what's up with this pre-chat timer thing?
it uses DX 11 surfaces
it's a piece of tech @Noctrine stole from CryTek
@michael.bartnett long ass story
they use it in Crysis too
@AlexM. I have seen that gif dozens of times, but never the long version.
It's even better.
19:25
ok, i think i'll come back later :)
i can finally get on with my work by looks of it
@Kikaimaru don't you want some tea before you leave?
I made some
@Noctrine this is amazing
@AlexM. Oooo!!! Pick me
any folks in here using unity3d professionally?
19:27
I wish my lightning drawing was at that level.
not as good as the smug camel
picks todders
is picked
@michael.bartnett Define professionally?
@AlexM. you in favor of smug camel being the new mascot here
19:28
Semi phenomenal cosmic moderation power!!!!
(baleeted)
Tetrad uses it in a very professional capacity
@ShotgunNinja More authentic that way.
@Byte56 <3
19:28
I am technically using it in a professional way as well - but I haven't published what I've been working on yet.
@Noctrine not necessarily getting paid, just making non-trivial things.

im curious how people who are using NGUI deal with building up UIs modularly instead of in a gigantic prefab
Well, then I also use it for a few other things that are professional, but not games.
Ah, I wouldn't be able to answer that as I haven't used NGUI yet :(
I use it for Ars Ignis at home, but I work with the free version
I use Pro at work
Awesomium annd stock GUI
but I make 2D games, and I also use Orthello for it all
19:29
I've been waiting around for the GUI updates forever
the profiler...
@AlexM. when you going finish that project
it just makes me want to buy it for home too
:O
the profiler isn't in free?
nope
19:30
Any advice for dungeonering games? Or getting JBox2D to work? :P
Gotcha. Good call (whether inadvertently or not) not using NGUI :P
@Dave dunno, it depends on my team too
I dunno which option for paying for unity is best
I mean, paying the monthly fee finds you paying more each year, but you enjoy all updates
I think we need a little star cleanup
a single-payment license for Unity 4 is only valid for Unity 4
Buying it.
19:31
I can't afford Unity and I don't know how to C# :(
so when Unity 5 gets released, you will stick with Unity 4
Use UnityJavaScript
because you'd have to buy Unity 5 again
Unity4 isn't actually bad
unity can be done in boo and javascript
19:32
@AlexM. at least 4.3 is still 4?
@ToddersLegrande yes
Well, it does kind of suck that you don't get source
Javascript is horrible
I only know Java and Lua :P
Whenever that's coming out...
19:32
javascript is not horrible
if you need to buy unity you already make enough money to buy it
@TheNickmaster21 You can't see sharp? Like knives are invisible to you?
parts of it are
@Almo Still need to finish my good parts book
19:32
@Byte56 ._.
@ToddersLegrande my company had to re-buy the licenses for Unity 4 because they had Pros for Unity 3 which was... well, outdated
I can C# i got glasses on
You get a pretty decent discount when updating
they went with a monthly subscription now
@Dave That's a punny joke.
19:33
Is Unity good with procedural generation?
I approve of monthly sub software. Namely adobe. When / if I want to use it professionally I can affordably
@TheNickmaster21 Yes, it can be.
Actualyl
@TheNickmaster21 Depends on what leve you're talking about.
@TheNickmaster21 Unity is good with what you program it to do :P
19:33
Adobe makes me highly disapprove of monthly sub software
@Byte56 its great pun too
Did you see, they lost 153 million user accounts?
@Noctrine yeah WTF adobe.
Also, Adobe's thing is monthly just like Unity
If I wanted to make a Runescape Dungeonering clone, would it work well or should I stick with Java? I only know Java
19:34
@Noctrine As in... people stopped subbing... or they misplaced accounts somehow? lol
flash not on android is just plain silly
You agree for a year, but only give them money per month
@TheNickmaster21 You should learn C# its very similar to java
@Dave flash is on android
you can develop games in flash and AIR
they dont support android any more ?
19:34
@Dave Java isn't on iOS soooo
@Dave AIR is very fast on android
@ToddersLegrande As in, they got hacked and they gave up 153 million accounts, encrypted passwords, password hints, credit cards and addresses
what do you mean, half of the people at work develop the games with AIR
@AttackingHobo What are the key differances?
19:35
That's just foolish
C# makes you slam your head into your keyboard a lot less
well i mean things like flash video players etc
@TheNickmaster21 How experienced are you in gamedev? Unity can work well enough with that sort of project.
its no good on android
19:35
Also the source code for a few things, photoshop included
The bottleneck might be the learning you must do
Smells like an inside job
Roblox good? :P
What little gadgets, < $50, should I add to my wishlist?
19:36
might be => will probably be
I could have went... I missed it X_X
photoshop is an epic piece of software
Not very. I think it might be easier to start with Unity and not scratch Java.
any one see TotalBiscuit's reivew of COD:Ghosts
Framerate issues?
and the rest
just raged through out about how much better BF is in comparison
Good suggestions.
19:37
@Byte56 That chopper is amazingly awesome, 1000x better than shitty choppers you can buy in malls in america
Its really fast
Can fly it in 10+mph winds if you are good enough
@AttackingHobo Think it could carry a camera? Like .3 pounds?
Do you think Unity Free is a better path than Scratch Java lwjgl?
@Byte56 no.
19:39
Probably need a quad-copter for that.
ud have to find one with decent lift to carry a camera
or already built in
wouldnt surprise me if a law comes in that you can't due to drone laws or something stupid
@TheNickmaster21 Depends on what your objectives are
@TheNickmaster21 Yes. You'll learn things using Unity that you didn't even know you needed to know. LWJGL not only makes you learn them, but also implement systems for them yourself.
I'm saying this because you say you're not that experienced.
19:42
If your goal is "make a game" then Unity is the way to go because its going to do a lot of heavy lifting that you don't have to program yourself
That one is a quad copter and comes with a camera
What will be more beneficial to a learning high schooler?
Beneficial in what way
we dont know how advanced you are to answer than really @TheNickmaster21
If such a high schooler just wants to "make a game" then Unity is the way to go :P
19:43
If you want to learn to make games, use unity.
That is a pretty nice site.
I want to aquire useful skills without killing myself in the process.
unity is a sound choice for anyone imo
There is a lot more than making games than just slamming at the keyboard and having to deal with those issues sooner will be more benificial than spending 2 years making a game engine
@TheNickmaster21 yes, learn to use unity
it will hang around for a long time
19:44
And learn to use csharp, don't use javascript.
Your requirements are so vague lol
Useful skills to for what? :P
cooking, obviously
@ToddersLegrande for a career I guess
Idk :P I wanna be a programmer when I go into the workforce
@AlexM. Also vague
19:44
@Byte56 yeah, they are in china, so for a shipment to the us it might be 2-4 weeks
Maybe that was the joke :P
@TheNickmaster21 i can tell you now. you don't xD
once you get your first bad client you soon question why you picked the job
well, I like my unity-based job, and wouldn't mind recommending anyone to learn to use unity
The unity engine uses a lot of things that are similar or the same as other 3d engines
Yes I do :P Maybe not games, but I want to be a programmer.
19:46
Cool thanks.
because, at the end of the day, unity gets games done fast
I can't not follow my passion because people :P People exist in all job fields.
oh clients will certain try xD
I love Compiler Error based deveolopement
Sounds... I don't even know
Like my first C++ class?
19:47
It's like unit testing, but without the coverage!
I'm bad at art and have minimal 3D modeling experience; will that make Unity allot harder?
@TheNickmaster21 Everyone's bad at art.
except for me
You have to learn to work with what you've got.
they have free assets you can use in unity to practice
19:47
@TheNickmaster21 Wait until 4.3 and use the 2D tools it provides
I'm horrible at art
@ToddersLegrande or use Orthello
it's free
and there will be an update for Orthello when 4.3 gets released
i like blender even tho i suck at it
@AlexM. Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
or spend $30 on 2d toolkit
@Dave Same :D
19:48
which will make it integrate with the new 2D tools, and make it all better
Can I launch Unity off of a flash drive like I do with Eclipse?
dunno.
Have you worked on any game of any sort at all before?
Roblox :P
And I've read too many tuturoials for Java stuff
I've only coded small Java projects.
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19:50
@michael.bartnett I actually have this which is pretty good, but Unity's native tools look like they probably are going to work significantly better
@ToddersLegrande I've taken a glance at their trailer
it felt complicated and confusing :\
@AlexM. I haven't used Orthello so I can't make that comparison
I kinda like orthello's straightforward way of doing animations
I thought Unity's tools looked pretty good when they presented it at Unite
@ToddersLegrande From a tools perspective? The one thing that makes me sad about Unity addons are crummy editor windows.
19:51
add all of the frames in a folder, right click the folder, let orthello generate a spritesheet and the objects required, and off you go
well not the one thing, but that's a big thing
orthello also has that nice sprite batching thing
which generates a single mesh & material with all of your sprites
so you significantly reduce draw calls
Unity will have that in 4.3
single mesh?
Atlasing I think they called it
19:52
When does 4.3 come out though?
Oh maybe not mesh. I dunno
No idea
the only thing I don't get with orthello is why they decided to put the origin at the middle of the world rectangle
there is no way for me to change it to the top left corner afaik
so I had to add an extra math layer to do the conversion when positioning stuff :\
aren't origins usually in the middle in 3d stuff?
that makes sense, but since they did such a great job at making everything 2D-ish, why stop there?
19:54
the sprite mesh generation is maybe what you're talking about? that is pretty cool, saves on fill rate
anyway, it is probably just me
since I got too used to how pivots were in libs like XNA
I find the center-based placement to be more intuitive when scaling and positioning stuff
any 2d addon worth its salt should do batching. in NGUI they're called UIPanels, forget how they do it in 2d toolkit. unity4.3 handles a lot of this for you
the reference sizes and positions are still fed with the top left corner as origin though (easier for me), so that's where I have to use the extra layer of math
or am i missing something else that orthello is doing?
What is orthello??
19:58
@TheNickmaster21 a 2D development toolkit for unity
#idkUnity
it takes care of setting up your camera, sprite management, input handling and so on
@TheNickmaster21 then #ydkOrthello
Are there any good video serieses on Unity? I'm completely knew to it. All I know is Java and Lua/Roblox
just make a simple game like pong, then make something more complex
I never managed to learn anything from videos

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