Game Development

MickLH

20:09

Man after smoking pot I figured out what dave couldn't explain about his problem

Noctrine

Part of me would like us all to move on, but another part of me really wants to know.

MickLH

I'd like to move on too, but for everyone whos brain got curious about the stats, his original queries probability is determined by the nCr function

n! / ((n-r)! * r!)

Jimmy

yes, but what does that have to do with the question

Lasse

you should quit pot it's not clearly good for you

Jimmy

you must be on the pot

MickLH

20:21

it means everything about the question since his issue was about the probabilities of the rows returned by the algorithm

Jimmy

I guess I didn't catch the original question

since it seems to me like his question is 'how to select R random rows from N total rows without replacement', not 'how many ways can I select R random rows from N total rows without replacement'

but that's like, just my opinion, man

MickLH

I gave him the simple logical answer of: sort randomly N rows, select N random outputs from those N rows

he said that wouldn't give the stats he wants, he wants the stats to be the same as if you were to select 1 random row N times

Jimmy

so, he wants selecting with replacement

which isn't nCr then

MickLH

But the query he provided is, hence the issue

Jimmy

i see

Alex M.

20:37

gamedev.stackexchange.com/posts/64418/revisions

lol

MickLH

man that's misleading

like taking the rattle off a rattlesnake

Alex M.

i wanna make some kewl 2d indie side-scroller

"i wanna make some kewl 2d AAA backed by a huge publisher side-scroller"

- said no one ever

MickLH

said no one ever is quite the pair-of-socks

hasherr

Hey guys. How'd the jam go?

MickLH

VOTE MICKLH 2013

Alex M.

20:42

@hasherr where was your entry

Jimmy

@Mick your game is too hard to understand

but at least it is easier than that orbital missile one

MickLH

that's what my friend said, so I just said fuckit and did nothing about it

Jimmy

wtf I can't even figure out where I'm launching missiles from

hasherr

@AlexM. Didn't submit. Didn't have time to finish my game :(

Alex M.

make sure you have the time to finish on the next jam :D

MickLH

20:44

I still vote next jam is a collab, or at least team based

Alex M.

better start studying now, because the next jam will require you to emulate an Atari 2600 and develop a game in assembly for that

hasherr

XD

Alex M.

we should really make a sub-jam for old console games in case there are people willing to go with that

hasherr

When's the next jam? How often will they be?

Alex M.

I'd like to participate in a GBA quickie jam

@hasherr sometime around February next year; one jam per season

MickLH

20:46

ooh could we do a 4k ?

or maybe a 64k depends on the platform

hasherr

How would that work? Emulate a GBA game

?

Because I'd be down.

MickLH

I thought he meant it like writing a game that runs on GBA

hasherr

Maybe both?

Alex M.

you use an emulator to run your game, after you compile it

IIRC No$GBA emulated fine, but I used some other emulator

hasherr

Ohh. What languages do GBAs use? It's not assembly, is it?

Alex M.

20:48

only if you want to

the only other option is C

because I don't think there's another capable compiler for the GBA

hasherr

I didn't take this Jam very seriously. Next one I'll put something together.

I spent a whole day writing Visual Basic, that was probably my issue.

Alex M.

play.google.com/store/apps/…

John McDonald

I made a fiddle demonstrating yield. Maybe someone wants to figure out how to get it to work in Chrome: jsfiddle.net/jcpmcdonald/…

Alex M.

going to install this to track my walking

I walk quite a lot and I'm curious about the distance and stuff

I kinda have this set # of hours I must walk each week; I don't know what that number is, I just "feel" when I walked enough or not enough

hasherr

@AlexM. I have this app, it's quite good.

I use it for both running and walking.

Alex M.

20:55

cool

Icy Defiance

@JohnMcDonald your link's all like "screw you, I'm not gonna work"

hasherr

Yeesh, I see that there's been some nastiness in the chat history earlier....

Alex M.

to get to my workplace I have to walk on a quite steep road

John McDonald

I made a fiddle demonstrating yield. Maybe someone wants to figure out how to get it to work in Chrome: jsfiddle.net/jcpmcdonald/z4sXk/6

@IcyDefiance My bad

Alex M.

I said to myself if I keep doing it for a whole year I'll become the most fit person in the world lol

Icy Defiance

20:56

ah, that wokrs

Alex M.

the first time I got to the top I was like exhausted

hasherr

Haha, Alex.

Alex M.

today was easier than usual, but I was still very warmed up

John McDonald

@IcyDefiance should print: 0 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 in the HTML output

Lasse

@JohnMcDonald is the version needed? remove it?

hasherr

20:57

Get some blood moving.

@AlexM. Btw, I am still going to complete my entry game.

Alex M.

that's good

Oliver Schöning

Wise people of GD name my function

hasherr

Wanna hear about it?

Icy Defiance

@JohnMcDonald I think it's less an issue with chrome and more with the fiddle itself. I've changed that script tag to something I know works, and it's still ignored

Alex M.

p3nis(params[]) XD

Icy Defiance

20:59

I copied the javascript into the javascript box, and then it told me, "document.write is disallowed in JSFiddle envioriment and might break your fiddle." which could be another problem

John McDonald

@IcyDefiance yeah, check the error log: Uncaught SyntaxError: Unexpected identifier

Alex M.

this reminded me of that SO answer

Exception up;
throw up;

Oliver Schöning

name ( width, height, widthSegments, heightSegments )
Creates this: http://i1294.photobucket.com/albums/b603/oliverschoening/geometry_zps475276c3.png

MickLH

the Z thing

John McDonald

Updated to console log instead of doc write, and to use the plain old JS version: jsfiddle.net/z4sXk/11

Almo

21:01

FanoronaBoardMake( width, height, widthSegments, heightSegments)

Alex M.

makeUglyButSymmetricalStructure(...)

Icy Defiance

@JohnMcDonald yep, that one doesn't work either. does it work in firefox?

Jimmy

@JohnMcDonald oops see other room

Almo

not entirely serious, but that is the structure of the Fanarona board.

John McDonald

yes

Almo

21:01

time to go

John McDonald

The old one works in FF

Almo

see you guys later :)

Icy Defiance

crap, my shift is over. I'm going to relocate, then take another look.

MickLH

sorry for calling it the "Z thing" it's used for memory cache layouts on GPUs

Oliver Schöning

@AlexM. Rude. @Almo Hm.. interesting. Thx

Alex M.

21:02

it's not rude

it's not serious

John McDonald

@Jimmy hmm

Oliver Schöning

Took me way to long to figure it out :) But it is gonna pay of ^^

Jimmy

it just relies on the fact that closures and coroutines use a similar compiler transform into a state machine

John McDonald

@Jimmy That... just might work. I'll have to think about to re-write stuff

(to others, Jimmy wrote this): jsfiddle.net/talyian/z4sXk/10

Jimmy

because then at least from the call site the usage is pretty much identical

John McDonald

21:04

yeah, and in my case, fib() is effectively generated

MickLH

lol that's exactly what I said when the issue very first came up

John McDonald

Is it? I guess I didn't follow

Lasse

I've always developed with chrome and never ever even seen the yeild thingie

John McDonald

So, instead of: moveForward(); yield 10;, it would be: moveForward(); return { next: function() { return 10; }} ? I don't think I'm thinking about this quite right

no, not right at all

Jimmy

return { next : function() { moveforward(); return 10; } };

since you want moveforward to be called each time next() is called

next has to contain the entire body of your while loop

unless it is multiple yield statements

in which case you have a mutable next

if you want, post a more complex example and I can translate it

John McDonald

21:12

while(true)
{
    scanRight();
    yield 3;
    if(scanResult == BOT)
    {
        turnRight();
        yield 10;
        shoot();
        yield 10;
    }
    else
    {
        moveForward();
        yield 10;
        if(bumped)
        {
            turnRight();
            yield 10;
        }
    }
}

Each command (move, scan, shoot, etc), is associated with a yield statement that indicates the cost of the command (3, and 10 in eg)

hasherr

When you ignore somebody in chat, can they still hear you?

John McDonald

Yes, I can still hear you @hasherr, :p

(I honestly don't know, but probably)

hasherr

Thank you, John.

MickLH

Ignoring someone in chat is pretty retarding, you don't have to reply. It's only putting oneself in the dark as to what the conversation is about

hasherr

I asked for a reason, @MickLH ;)

MickLH

21:15

I commented for no reason

hasherr

Also, I'd honestly appreciate if you stopped using the word 'retarded' in the room.

MickLH

There you go, "retarding" is more literally accurate

Jimmy

@John if you want to do it very similar to how the C# compiler for example creates the yield function

var state = 0;
var next = function() {
    switch(state) {
        case 0:
            scanRight();
            state=1;
            return 3;
        case 1:
            if (scanResult == BOT) {
                turnRight();
                state=2;
                return 10;
            } else {
                moveForward();
                state = 3;
                return 10;
            }
        case 2:
            shoot();
            state = 0; // end while loop
            return 10;
        case 3:

Byte56

@hasherr Feel free to flag anything in chat you find offensive.

hasherr

Well, of course it does have more than one meaning, but i've seen you you use it several times in a more offensive context.

Jimmy

21:17

return { next : next };

Dave

@hasherr who have you ignored now ?

hasherr

@Byte56 Thank you.

Dave

oh jeese not more drama

hasherr

I'm not going to say who I may have/have not ignored.

Alex M.

PC Gamer
Bugbear's destruction focused FlatOut successor, 'Next Car Game', is now on Kickstarter: http://bit.ly/1aYHTyk

Dave

21:19

dont worry i can work it out lol

Alex M.

MickLH

Lol I love how cute it is when little kids are emotionally delusional

Dave

thats some weird view of european thats more russian

John McDonald

@Jimmy :/ great... that looks like fun to implement

Alex M.

@Dave yes

Dave

21:21

american cars - muscle
european cars - fashion

Jimmy

this is how we did it in the old days. We didn't have fancy shmancy generator expressions and we had to walk uphill both ways in the snow

MickLH

@JohnMcDonald write it in C using setjmp and longjmp and see what emscripten generates you ;)

Alex M.

this is more european

Jimmy

that's not fair

Dave

that looks italian style

hasherr

21:22

nise kar

Dave

or maybe german

Jimmy

Alex M.

@Dave american cars are now japanese cars lol

lol lol

Jimmy

Amurika

hasherr

reddit.com/r/MURICA

Jimmy

21:23

If you don't like a GT40 you are a Communist

Alex M.

japanese cars are not that popular in europe afaik

hasherr

*Damn commie

Dave

this is a european muscle car equivalent: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6b/…

Alex M.

and why would they be, we've got VW and all of its owned companies

like Audi, Porsche and so on

Dave

if you watch UK top gear you know the car :P

MickLH

21:23

cough electric

Dave

i got to sit in a bugatti but not drive it :(

Alex M.

but no, really, this is the best car in the world for me

and it's european

they had to Bugatti Veyron to defeat it in a race

MickLH

No matter how strong your gasoline engine is, it was never giving the engineers as much problems as the raw force of an electric motor tearing the frame open

Alex M.

cheating included

hasherr

Best car for you. Not for your insurance xD

Alex M.

21:25

because the F1 didn't use turbo shit

Dave

bugattis are slow in races really unless its a dead straight line for 6 miles xD

hasherr

@Dave Did you wake up in it?

Jimmy

electric cars are awesome but they aren't explosions on wheels

MickLH

Land speed record is still electric, you know ;)

Dave

@hasherr lol !

hasherr

21:25

haha

Dave

it was in a car show room and a girl with not much on was flirting with me said i could sit in the car :P

Alex M.

so they put a car with turbo crap, manufactured decades after the F1 against the F1 and called it a huge win

I say it's a huge win for the F1 to hold for that long with just raw engine power

Dave

if a show room girl says to sit in the car, you damn well sit in the car!

Jimmy

also, her lap

if she asks

hasherr

I like my women how I like my coffee.

Alex M.

21:26

she might be shy

so you can ask yourself

hasherr

All over my lap while I'm driving.

Alex M.

@hasherr you're too young for coffee

hasherr

True dat.

Dave

youtube.com/watch?v=zyC3CWDlEzY good drag race :)

Alex M.

you need to have been in at least one war, killed at least 10 people in it, being decorated thrice, and at least 21 to drink coffee

have you forgotten?!

hasherr

21:27

I drink coffee underage!

Jimmy

you like your women black with a bit of cream on top?

Alex M.

@hasherr :O

dude, @KevinvanderVelden works with the NSA

and he just heard you say that

hasherr

Haha.

Brb, pizza's here.

bang bang bang

Alex M.

I switched my cereals from plain corn cereals to nestle's chocapic :\ going to try them out tomorrow

I'll have some maasdam cheese this evening, then go to sleep

Kevin van der Velden

@AlexM. I'm innocent!

Alex M.

21:29

no you're not, you work for NSA

hasherr

He's a pony! No pony are innocent!

Alex M.

NASA, sorry*

you explore black holes

hasherr

XD

MickLH

@Jimmy no, used for pleasure temporarily and then disposed of to make room for the next

Kevin van der Velden

@AlexM. oh jeah I'm okay with that, NASA is cool.

Alex M.

21:30

did NASA get back on track?

hasherr

As far as I know, I believe so.

Alex M.

cool

Byte56

They should switch the funding of NSA and NASA

Kevin van der Velden

@AlexM. US goverment got un-shutdowned

Alex M.

@Byte56 yeah, it's just a one-letter diff anyway

MickLH

21:31

NASA's a company no?

Kevin van der Velden

@Byte56 I think we can all agree that that would be the best for humanity

hasherr

Lol, I'm gonna be honest, I didn't know that our government had shutdown until like noon the next day XD

Kevin van der Velden

@MickLH probably technically, still government though

Alex M.

@hasherr I knew sooner than you facepalm

then again, I read everything about the US

hasherr

@AlexM. Haha, I didn't watch the news or anything.

lightbulb I should read more about Romania!

MickLH

21:32

lol

Alex M.

@hasherr we have a very pretty tennis player currently winning all of the championships she's participating in

Simona Halep

Simona Halep (born 27 September 1991) is a Romanian professional tennis player and the current Romanian number 1, out of four Romanian players in the top 60. She is currently ranked a career high number 11 in the world. She is coached by Adrian Marcu, and managed by Virginia Ruzici, after having worked with Andrei Mlendea. Her current fitness coach is Teo Cercel. Career Halep's father, Stere, owns a dairy products factory. She started playing tennis at age four, in emulation of her older brother. She has self-described her playing style as being "an aggressive baseliner," 2008 ...

hasherr

You guys have girls in Romania? Good enough for me.

Jimmy

I heard that Romania is classified as a developing country this weekend

I didn't realize

Alex M.

@Jimmy yeah

I got the special discount on ACM membership because I'm in a developing country

Dave

@hasherr they have horses to!

Alex M.

21:34

@hasherr our girls are very beautiful imo

hasherr

Whaaaaaa

Jimmy

I was doing one of those "give xmas gifts to orphans in developing countries" things and apparently Romania was one of the possible destinations

hasherr

Get me a plane ticket! Horses? Fuckin' A!

@AlexM. I'm coming to live with yooouuuu

Alex M.

COME MY LOVE

no wait, not like that

hasherr

I might be drowning in pink a lot, is that cool with you? I'll make sure you don't hear.

Alex M.

21:36

simona halep is a good name, from a romanian pov

perhaps she'll become our next nadia comaneci

Nadia Comăneci

Nadia Elena Comăneci (; born November 12, 1961) is a Romanian gymnast, winner of three Olympic gold medals at the 1976 Summer Olympics in Montreal and the first female gymnast to be awarded a perfect score of 10 in an Olympic gymnastic event. She also won two gold medals at the 1980 Summer Olympics in Moscow. She is one of the best-known gymnasts in the world. {{cite web | title= Munchkin leads European charge of gymnastics | url= http://www.cbc.ca/olympics/gymnastics/story/2008/05/14/f-olympics-womengymnastics-history.html | date= 2008-06-03| publisher= CBS Sports| accessdate= 201

@hasherr kk

hasherr

Now, do I run? Or do I Algebra?

Alex M.

4A Games
Metro: Last Light now available on Linux !

http://steamcommunity.com/gid/103582791433186430/announcements/detail/1841138399631172025

:O :O :O :O

y 2014 the y of linuxxxx

hasherr

Steambox <3

Jimmy

every year since like 2000 has been the year of Linux

Alex M.

ikr

also

metro ll got released on linux

linux contains lin which is 3 char long

25 - 22 = 3

tf3 confirmed

hasherr

21:39

Most kids at my school don't even know what Linux is :(

Alex M.

of course they don't

I bet aside from banning porn, you are also banned from using any admin accounts

schools don't even teach their students to explore computers

hasherr

Of course we are.

Alex M.

i.e. make mistakes and learn from them

they just teach students how to ms office

hasherr

It's funny, I'm in a class called 'Preparing for College and Careers' which is basically just a class where you get to research various careers and college oppurtunities. For a project we had to make a fake resume to show that we understand them. A lot of kids put 'excellent computing skills' on their resumes. I told them to take it off.

Alex M.

well, I had to make my own resume for my english course but... I didn't

and still passed :D

hasherr

21:42

These are the kids who still right click + copy to copy images from google images. Fayl.

Alex M.

I don't even know how a resume should look like :\

Jimmy

wait, is there another way to copy from google images?

hasherr

Also, the thing you said about MS office is absolutely 100% true. It's pathetic. I've written several emails to my school asking them to add a little bit of variety to the curriculum, but they just say 'no, no, run along, we know how to use computers, you don't.' Screw those people.

Alex M.

I just export my latest Careers 2.0 profile

hasherr

@AlexM. There are templates on MS word for various resumes.

Lasse

21:43

I had to make a resume for finnish language class in university (yes they still teach that there) and I did but the teacher said "this looks wrong" and told me to make new one. Never did.

hasherr

It's very handy.

Alex M.

@hasherr there was this nice article you might find interesting

let me see if I can find it

hasherr

I'd love to see it.

Alex M.

here it is coding2learn.org/blog/2013/07/29/kids-cant-use-computers

it also mentions how schools are at a part of the fault

hasherr

I read this. I actually sent this to my school. Still no reply 3 months later :(

Alex M.

21:45

don't expect replies from schools

I'm sure there's deeper shit going on

and for example, for the MS office stuff, microsoft itself might not allow schools to teach anything else

hasherr

That's a good point. Our schools do run on licensed MS software, I'm sure they do have power in there somewhere.

Alex M.

aside from people not being able to use computers asking me to help them out, I especially hate those who are not able to use computers but still try to throw opinions and tell me what I should do

it's even worse when it's someone in the family lol

mum called me sometime ago saying the internet doesn't work and not all of the lights on the router are on

hasherr

Yeep. I also dislike how my parents and friends think that I'm a computer wizard because I know how to program and that I can help them set up a router or something like that.

Alex M.

naturally, I had no idea what happened

but since I was the last one to use that PC, it was my fault

hasherr

News Flash: I don't know much.

Alex M.

21:49

and I shouldn't consider it isn't my fault because I can't be perfect

I'm not sure how that works, but okay

I'll take a look the next time I get home

but I told her to just call someone from the ISP

in short

I hate it how everyone I know acts dumb when they have a problem, but when I proceed to give details on the problem or fix it, they jump in and act like IT masters

hasherr

Comcast came to my house today, supposedly fixed my interwebs

That hits too close to home.

Alex M.

@hasherr I'm not that okay with people from companies coming to fix stuff

because they usually make a mess

Dave

i hate being asked to fix people's computers and they dont even offer cash for the effort

hasherr

I agree, but I can't do any better.

Alex M.

@Dave I once used some sort of cracking tool to get my teacher's win logon pass for her, because she forgot it

got some money, got a couple of hours off from school, and she shut the fuck up and didn't get in my way

best.time.ever.

Dave

21:53

and she asked a student not the school admin to reset it ?

TheProgramm3r

hello!

MickLH

:)

hi

Alex M.

@Dave we don't have a true admin

Dave

wow

TheProgramm3r

@AlexM. I almost got in so much trouble for programming on the school's computers today....

Alex M.

21:53

me and a classmate were the most skilled guys in the whole school at that time

the teachers were just setting up computers while reading manuals and that was about it

TheProgramm3r

lol

Alex M.

@TheProgramm3r wtf

MickLH

@TheProgramm3r be careful man, I got kicked out of school for writing HTML...

Alex M.

wait, I forgot you're also from where hashbrown is

hasherr

wat

Dave

21:55

so what are the computers for in your school if not to learn programming

hasherr

MS Office.

Alex M.

I used to write programs constantly printing ASCII 7 to piss my programming teacher off back in HS lol

Dave

they only teach IT not computer science?

Alex M.

I once got the program on all 27 PCs in the lab

MickLH

also doubles as an air freshener by collecting all the dust

Alex M.

21:55

it was a beautiful sight

hasherr

It's unacceptable.

@Dave 1/10 schools teach computer programming in the US. Almost all of them teach ICT.

Alex M.

sometimes they'd start with a delay, on a colleague's PC

the poor guy

the teacher would be like "WHAT IS THAT CLOSE IT NOW OR I'LL THROW YOU OUT"

Dave

the most i did was swap the wireless mice around and make the desktop go upside down so students were like "wtf is going on?"

Alex M.

and he'd be like "I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING"

hasherr

I press the insert keys on kid's computers while they're writing Word or Powerpoints.

I also change the HTML on web pages when people leave computers to freak them out.

Of course, they don't and never will know it was me.

Dave

21:58

reminds me of when a kid noob said he hacked my website by changing the html via chrome dev tools

Alex M.

such hardcore wow

hasherr

@Dave My friend told me he 'hacked' Apple's website and changed the prices of iPads to $1.50

they'll never know! It's the perfect crime!

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