Game Development

Interesting, since you've established a line of communication, I'll send you morse code encoded as whether or not I break consecutive messages from you

Kevin van der Velden

@MickLH would require a) him semi consistently chatting with multiple lines and b) noone else interrupting

MickLH

@KevinvanderVelden Oh you know it was never meant to be reasonable!

Kevin van der Velden

True, but poking at holes is fun

MickLH

Hence my poking holes in your hole-poking :)

Blue

2:28 PM

@Almo - I was asking as he did say it would help him if we let him know when he was getting close to the line. Came up in the other day convos.

Almo

hahahah

MickLH

It genuinely would help me to have "the line" outlined with a highlighter

Almo

suddenly I can't run the project

debugger's worker process exited

:(

Jon

MickLH

Finally...

@Jon I'm getting sick of your slacking lately on our game project

Almo

2:31 PM

in VS how do I get the breakpoints panel to show all my breakpoints

Jon

user92578

@Almo what does it show currently?

Blue

@Almo - it should already show them all.

user92578

^

Almo

is it only availabile while running?

I mean

the panel isn't showing

Kevin van der Velden

2:33 PM

Yeah

Almo

sorry iwasn't clear

user92578

yeah I'd think so

Almo

I can't run it though

Kevin van der Velden

It's only available during debugging

Almo

:(

thanks

Blue

2:34 PM

Not true

It's available all the time

Kevin van der Velden

@Almo how come? Can you try F10/F11?

user92578

really?

MickLH

Thank god for @Blue

Blue

Debug -> Windows -> Breakpoints

MickLH

I knew that couldn't be right.

user92578

2:34 PM

what would be the use of breakpoints if you can't debug?

user92578

^^ that too

Blue

What would be the use of breakpoints if you couldn't set them outside of debug...

Kevin van der Velden

@Tyyppi_77 editing them

Jon

What is the point of life if you can't do anything worth remembering

Kevin van der Velden

@Blue click left of the line

Blue

2:35 PM

Deep @Jon, deep.

MickLH

@Blue very nice! an eloquent example, I had come up with "lol, silly noob" to deliver the same message but I waited and you delivered

Blue

@KevinvanderVelden - I know how, but more importantly, how would you find where your BP's were if you weren't debugging and hitting them.

@MickLH - I do my best :)

user92578

aight true

Jon

did you know that there are some coders out there that have no idea how to debug?

user92578

yup

Jon

2:36 PM

they console.writeline() to debug

user92578

or

user92578

what's "out there"

user92578

I mean I used print() to debug my python for like a year

MickLH

I would trust @Tyyppi_77 on this subject

Almo

@KevinvanderVelden the debugger crashes while starting up

Jon

2:37 PM

At work, I remember showing the call stack to someone

MickLH

crap! move my message up by one

Kevin van der Velden

@Almo huh

Blue

It's even worse when you HAVE to use Console.WriteLine because the environments you have available don't allow breakpoints.

Jon

And they were all like . HOLY SHIT I DIDN"T KNOW THAT

MickLH

you jinxed it @KevinvanderVelden

Kevin van der Velden

2:37 PM

@Jon I've head that happen, it saddens me =[

Almo

wow

Jon

my previous team, I was the only person that knew how to do javascript

user92578

fuck I can't get the wild blade to appear, with a breakpoint to capture where it comes from

MickLH

Uninitialized variables cause "disappearing" bugs like that often

But so do race conditions

Almo

disabling breakpoints lets it run now

I don't get it

how can hitting a breakpoint crash the debugger's "worker process"

Kevin van der Velden

2:40 PM

Magic

Also windows

user92578

microsoft*

Almo

and without running the game, I'm pretty sure none of the breakpoints should have been hit

user92578

Looks like the blade is gone then

MickLH

I should finish Magic so I don't have to suffer feeling disgusting using any other language anymore

Almo

oh shit
I have a breakpoint on shared_ptr.
that's really fucking it up

user92578

2:43 PM

i bet

MickLH

damnit @Almo, there has to be 2 consecutive messages from @Tyyppi_77 in a row for me to transfer one bit of data

Almo

hahahhaha

Kevin van der Velden

@Tyyppi_77, don't send 2 consecutive messages in a row!

waits for:

not?

Why

Whiee spam protection

user92578

Um, why?

MickLH

lol

Blue

2:46 PM

@Almo problem solved?

Kevin van der Velden

2 mins ago, by MickLH

damnit @Almo, there has to be 2 consecutive messages from @Tyyppi_77 in a row for me to transfer one bit of data

user92578

MICK HOW ABOUT WHIPPING UP A PUPPET ACCOUNT TO GET OUT OF THE IGNORE?

MickLH

hahahahahahaha

hahaha oh man don't make me laugh so loud the roommates are still asleep :/

Blue

No more Pinocchio's please.

user92578

Broforce - The Ballad of Rambro [Music Video]

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MickLH

2:48 PM

hey @Blue can you explain what that means in context, im serious I don't get it, I am familiar with the story

Kevin van der Velden

Pinocchio being a puppet

MickLH

ah

user92578

oh, thanks, I didn't actually get that one

Jon

puppets get away with everything

Blue

Pinocchio is a puppet that think's he's a real boy, if someone is using a sock puppet account they are essentially a Pinocchio.

Can also be used to describe Chat bots.

Kevin van der Velden

2:50 PM

@Jon including getting their owners banned for a month? =p

Blue

Not real but think they are etc.

Kevin van der Velden

And themselves nuked/merged

Jon

Forget "Steve Jobs," Get Ready For "Michael Dell" - CONAN on TBS

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this is pretty funny lol

Almo

const FVector ToGoal = GoalLocation - AgentLocation;

when it does this, I can't see the value in "Locals"

is that some sort of optimization problem, and I should run debug versiojn of the app?

MickLH

Probably

Almo

2:57 PM

man

this thing is super slow, running debug will be painful

Kevin van der Velden

@Almo quite possibly, is the ToGoal variable used just once? Then it is very likely to be inlined

MickLH

Well it probably has to spend a bunch of time doing what you think it's doing in debug mode... instead of doing just enough to trick you into thinking it's doing what you told it.

Kevin van der Velden

Pretty much

Almo

@KevinvanderVelden ok thanks

MickLH

I framed it like sarcasm, but actually that wasn't the right way to frame what I said, but I think you have deciphered these glitches of mine by now @Almo

It was more, literal.

Almo

3:01 PM

wish VW were traded on a US or CA exchange

I'd buy some with it being low due to the scandal

crashing on other breakpoints

MickLH

Did you restart VS yet?

Almo

yeah

MickLH

ouch

Whatever they changed back in the day... introducing all this "no need to physically slap the box" nonsense seems to have just hidden the glitches deep inside software instead.

oh man, not even a pity "heh"... I've even lost almo now

Almo

was busy :)

vs now crashes and restarts itself when I run the project

MickLH

amazing!

and don't worry, you know I wasn't serious

maybe? lol

Almo

3:08 PM

haha

MickLH

lol I just went on SE and got the "breakup text" from @Tyyppi_77

3 hours ago, by Tyyppi_77

Oh, and @MickLH I thought I'd just let you know that we're done.

user4704

@Jon Didn't watch the video, but this is not new or unusual. Apple (and other companies) usually source parts from different manufacturers.

MickLH

oh hey there @JoshPetrie... I only brought it up because I'm so proud of him :')

Aug 8 at 15:33, by MickLH

We're done here.

Aug 11 at 15:00, by MickLH

We're done here.

I'll stop, sorry. I can tell by my pleasure that someone is getting annoyed somewhere :(

user92578

3:26 PM

whoops, I got a band practice in ~20 mins so I gotta get going

user92578

cya guys tomorrow!

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Anyone used AQtime c++ native profiler?

user4704

Hm. I feel like I might have once, a long time ago.

Alexandre Vaillancourt

Ah, ok, well we're thinking about using a profiler, but we're not sure yet what to use. I have trouble running the one from VS2013. I'm not yet sure where is the issue coming from as it crashes apparently from within our rendering engine (OpenSceneGraph). I'm not sure if AQtime would be easier to use..

Jon

Blue

3:43 PM

That square moving is rather endearing...

"Look at me! I'm a square in the desert!"

Jon

Now I might go revised my atmosphere system

Hjorthenify

@Jon Yours?

Jon

yah just something i did for fun

Hjorthenify

Make the sun shimmer

Blue

4:07 PM

Righto lads - have a good evening. I'm off.

Jon

dynamic shadow

Wardy

@Jon how did you do that ... its cool :)

Jon

        Vector2 direction = transform.position - Sun.transform.position;
        var angle = Mathf.Atan2(direction.y, direction.x) * Mathf.Rad2Deg;

        Shadow.transform.rotation = Quaternion.AngleAxis(angle - 90, Vector3.forward);
        Shadow.transform.localScale = new Vector3(1, direction.magnitude / 5f, 1);

its just a sprite being stretched out

the pivot is at the bottom of the cactus

nathan

cool stuff

Jon

i need to adjust the shader of the mountains as it goes down

so that it takes less light as it goes down

Wardy

4:46 PM

@Jon gems like this are super cool :)

Jon

seems too dark now

Wardy

raise the intensity of the sun the higher it is in the sky

Jon

good idea

Jon

5:03 PM

not perfect, but kinda cool

MickLH

Good work jon, one thing: Get rid of the duck

Jon

LOL, yeah sure thing

Hjorthenify

I want that for a background

Pip

sup

MickLH

Oh just sharing the glory with Jon about our game

It's literally so beautiful, that other developers want to use screenshots of it as their backgrounds

Jon

5:17 PM

MickLH

hahahahaha lol @Jon is never gonna get annoyed with this, I have to change up the formula

Pip

hahahahaha

MickLH

btw I'm just kidding, I love @Jon, I never want to annoy anyone You.Understand(Mick.Humor, Now);

Jon

Null Exception occurred in 'Mick.Humor'

MickLH

^ this is a person who understands my humor, take note

Lokkij

5:22 PM

80 Days - Cool Ghosts

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Quinns is so good at selling games.

I really want to play 80 days now.

Jon

Now I need to have a duck boss in this game

MickLH

I see 3 stars on that "throwing knives on fire" bit... turns out it's pretty simple: Just wrap a wick around the handle and soak it in paraffin

Almo

sounds really safe

MickLH

Oh yeah important step: have nerves of titanium lol

Almo

:D

MickLH

5:30 PM

You have to throw it by the blade while it's on fire

Jon

i know a girl that spits fire

I think that is a really ridiculous hobby

Almo

post a youtube vid of throwing burning knives, click "monetize" let the cash roll in

MickLH

holy shit

that would probably work lol

Almo

It might!

Jon

Get a fat neckbeard guy talk about burning throwing knives, you got yourself a viral hit

MickLH

5:31 PM

people like to stand and watch but never want to throw them

Example

Damn how did they get Gaben to do a video for them?

Jon

i don't know, but that big water container is 20$ deposit

MickLH

I think I'm gonna try to make a video, I just need to find an actual camera lol

Almo

not got one on your phone/tablet?

MickLH

5:37 PM

> actual

Almo

hah ok

Jon

i had one, lost it in the divorce

joke is on her, I have the battery pack for it

MickLH

lol

Almo

hahahahaha

MickLH

I could have sworn I had one around here but meant to return it but forgot and accidentally let the return period expire

All the videos I can find on youtube are a bit lame lol

Jon

5:39 PM

i would have figured, you had like a full blown studio at home

MickLH

only for music

Wardy

yay legacy of the void prologue

Jon

You fix your planet thingy @Wardy

Wardy

na ... that's my weekend job

MickLH

thanks for the idea @Almo I really assumed youtube would be full of videos of people way better than me

Almo

5:41 PM

hey I hope it works out for you :)

MickLH

lol you know what, I'm gonna put it off until next time I sleep at least like 5 hours in a row though

Almo

:D

MickLH

Man I wonder if I should sacrifice my garage door for the cause... would look way more awesome punching through metal on fire

Oh no, it's obvious, I gotta make a little burningman and light it off with a throwing knife to the neck

AHHH If I could just hurry up and sleep already

Almo

you could also write the music for the vid

cross sell your shit man

MickLH

lol that... makes all the sense in the world... the people with similar taste might have similar taste

Almo

5:53 PM

:)

MickLH

I've gotta code myself to sleep, I'll never fall asleep like this lol

Oh there we go, lets count up the tasks on the to-do list goodnight guys

Almo

:D

Jon

lol... yahhhhhh

Jon

6:24 PM

shadows work with animations too

MickLH

Jon, that's nice.... but what happened to the duck?

Jon

he's still there

MickLH

Oh, must be behind the sun, good work

Jon

now I need to add parallax

MickLH

hey wait? are you on shaders yet?

Jon

6:28 PM

Just using built-in shaders atm

I have this atmosphere shader I could add to this to provide a nice sunset/sunrise

MickLH

I keep getting back out of bed without having slept... I've been trapped in tomorrow since yesterday

Jon

recursive naps

MickLH

Ok I'm gonna grab a piece of code and add features for like 20 hours straight until I pass out

No I'm not lol, I'm way too groggy for discipline... I'm trapped forever

Jon

lmao

meh, I just like writing prototypes

Ideally, I'd have a team of finishers

hand them off my work when I'm bored with it

Almo

we should get picross on ios

Jon

6:39 PM

yeah

The problem with that button... is I don't know where to put it

Like.. even the tutorial says "press the back button on your device"

I need to add a back button to the damn tutorial levels

Almo

I'm ignoring the android back button in cognizer. :)

Jon

future projects will have a back button that is for sure ;)

I get not enough disk space when tyring to open my picross game project....

MickLH

lol

Jon

400GB free

MickLH

It's a big title bro

Is your temp folder full or something? :P

Jon

6:45 PM

oh..

its because windows doesn't have permission i think

MickLH

to, your harddrive?

lol sorry that sounds very funny

Jon

yeah, when i installed windows 10, it locked out the old drive

I forgot to add the permissions on some folders

MickLH

oh shit that thing is real? I thought that was a dream!

Jon

luckily I know how to fix shit, lol

fuck this old folder has so much shit in it its not even funny

i need to spend like 4 hours pruning shit

MANNNN, when I was working server support, there was a tape library, that we had to prune all the data that was 30 days old or more

I asked the guy before me why that wasn't automated -- he said it just isn't

So I made it a point to automate it.

Well... when I got into how it worked... it was practically impossible to accomplish

There was no way to do this easily at all -- you had to read a tape to see what was on it first

MickLH

And of course, no index database?

Jon

6:50 PM

I don't remember exactly

I just remember it being a huge nightmare, and left it as it was, lol

fucken didn't have picross in source control

Almo

:o

Jon

lol I know

ok, so I'm working on adding buttons to version 1.13

Almo

I can test on iPhone 4, iPHone 6, and iPad mini

Jon

i have a 5c at my disposal

Almo

can probably get on testflight and get some more people over facebook

Jon

7:05 PM

don't know how to get dev builds on it

Almo

testflight

I'll get it to you

you got iOS 8 on it?

TF not work on 7

Jon

not sure, its not my phone.. i think so

Almo

(It used to, till Apple bought it)

fuckers

Jon

heh

ok, well deadline is this weekend for the buttons ok

Almo

heh ok

I'll be out of town this weekend

Jon

7:07 PM

ok

Almo

and I need to werk on cognizer. but I'll slot this in as soon as I can get the project from you

Jon

i need to play a game of rocket league.. been coding all day

You In?

I used to close everything before I gamed -- Now I have so much shit open

still got a ton of Ram left.. bring it

Almo

i'd like to

but i'm at work

I don't have donut's arrangement where I can play games in the afternoon if my work is on time :)

MickLH

Well I might have to actually take my psych meds since I keep grinding my teeth in beat with the music in my head lol

Jon

Oh btw

a couple of people said they needed to have sound

I think it is a bad idea, but I can add sound option

Almo

7:23 PM

sound is always nice to help with interface feedback

Almo

7:33 PM

now i'm deep in the move system, and the destination getter for the path is returning 0,0,0, which is the error condition

Jon

7:46 PM

thing is it might get annoying really quickly, considering the whole point of the game is to press tiles

I would need to find a really nice sound that wouldn't get annoying

Almo

provided it's optional...

Jon

right

Almo

:)

Jon

option of sound is as easy as a boolean

and some conditional statements

Almo

yup

Jon

7:55 PM

its a mock up

Almo

looks pretty clear to me

Jon

so that menu bar is on every page

makes my job easy

Almo

easy job, we like

Jon

I was thinking about it for a while, then I realized that was the easiest way to do it, hehe

The last one is the game screen

I hate to mud up this clean interface

But I think I'm going to move it up slightly off center, then add the back button at the bottom most

Almo

seems reasonable

Jon

7:59 PM

Might actually add a UI element for it

so it snaps to the bottom

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