Game Development

Alex M.

21:04

@Jon lol I just saw that

GnomeSlice

bananaphone

Alex M.

is that a humongous cock in your pants

no it's my bananaphone

GnomeSlice

theredsolstice.com

Alex M.

> Istanbul-based Ardic Technology has designed what could be called as world's largest Android tablet with a 65-inch screen and Honeycomb...

just wait guys

this will be standard size for phones in a few years

Pip

lol

why the fuck would you do that?

Alex M.

21:06

@GnomeSlice are all of the indies you link to having single page websites

@Pip meetings and conferences

Pip

meh

Alex M.

@GnomeSlice like is there some sad nolifer constantly designing one page websites for obscure indies

GnomeSlice

@AlexM. What, it's not single page.

Alex M.

@GnomeSlice you get the point

GnomeSlice

@AlexM. I do. =[

That game looks pretty sweet though.

Alex M.

21:07

dude, three words

GnomeSlice

►

Alex M.

Call of Duty

play some of that

and drop the indies for a while

GnomeSlice

@AlexM. Why?

@AlexM. I've played some with friends, it's okay I guess.

Halo was my MP FPS jam

Alex M.

because instead of an indie fan

you now look like an indie fanatic

GnomeSlice

@AlexM. I linked one game today

Also maybe I am

Alex M.

21:09

and fanaticism usually signals disorder

Icy Defiance

oh god

Alex M.

@IcyDefiance shut up

you haven't been bombarded with 1000 obscure indies

in less than an hour

GnomeSlice

@AlexM. I posted one game. =[

Alex M.

not today

GnomeSlice

I didn't know this was AAA gamedev room.

Alex M.

21:10

I am still scarred

Icy Defiance

@AlexM. you haven't been "bombarded" with any more than I have. at least not in this chat room.

Alex M.

everything you post is obscure indies; I had no idea enough people to make these games even live on this planet

GnomeSlice

@AlexM. I don't even post the obscure ones.

You want to see some obscure ones?

Alex M.

no, please

Icy Defiance

he didn't even target you with the link either

talk about overreacting. who the fuck even cares.

Alex M.

21:11

shut up icy this is between me and him

why the fuck do you care

Icy Defiance

back at you

why do you care so much?

I'll probably buy the game at one of the links he shared yesterday, so I appreciate it

Alex M.

why do YOU care so much?

Icy Defiance

because you're ranting so fucking hard

GnomeSlice

Can't we all just getabong?

Alex M.

you just want to argue

GnomeSlice

21:11

Let him rant

Alex M.

because you are a whore who loves conflict

Icy Defiance

says the person who started this shit

GnomeSlice

MOMMY, DADDY, STOP

Alex M.

that's about it

Icy Defiance

talk about cognitive dissonance

Alex M.

21:13

pointing out that I have the same issues as you doesn't really help when my point is you have the same issues as me mate

GnomeSlice

can I go back to posting obscure music

Alex M.

doesn't help you at least

GnomeSlice

dancewiththedead.bandcamp.com/album/into-the-abyss

Alex M.

I'm hungry, I'm outta this

Icy Defiance

no I'm pointing out that you have the issues you're accusing me of, which I didn't think you realized. I never said a single word about myself, because I didn't think it was worth defending against such batshit insane accusations.

GnomeSlice

21:14

In his defense, I am totally an indie game fanatic.

Icy Defiance

well yeah, I'd agree with that

but who cares?

Alex M.

@GnomeSlice on a more serious note, no matter how good the thing you post is, if you post too much of it, eventually, people will have enough

GnomeSlice

Yeah I know

Alex M.

you can't truly ignore a chat message unless you turn ignore on, but that ruins everything

Lasse

Why does it bother you so much?

I'm bothered about your anime avatars and the music drops you do

Alex M.

21:16

because I read the messages, obviously

GnomeSlice

@AlexM. Lots of people on the gaming chatroom have me on ignore, for various reasons

Lasse

I still don't complain about it like you do

Icy Defiance

I haven't even seen many links.

Alex M.

c'mon, I haven't dropped music in like 8 days

Lasse

Everyone stop posting links, Alex's feelings get hurt

GnomeSlice

21:17

Leave him alone

Alex M.

lol lasse and icy should change their usernames to alex 2 and alex 3

hasherr

:P

Got my first part for my computer

Icy Defiance

Psychological projection

Psychological projection is the act or technique of defending yourself against unpleasant impulses by denying their existence in yourself, while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is rude may accuse other people of being rude. Although rooted in early developmental stages, and classed by George Eman Vaillant as an immature defence, the projection of one's negative qualities onto others on a small scale is nevertheless a common process in everyday life. Historical precursors A prominent precursor in the formulation of the projection principle was Giambattista Vico (2...

Alex M.

@IcyDefiance thanks

but if you didn't like arguments, you wouldn't start them with me

Grey

@hasherr HEY

thats cool

Alex M.

21:18

you would shut up and ignore me, like almo does

hasherr

Yeah

Alex M.

or pretty much everyone else

who is not icy or lasse

Icy Defiance

I didn't start anything. I joined one you started, to defend a person who I didn't think deserved the berating he was receiving from you.

GnomeSlice

@AlexM. For what it's worth, I spammed you with indie shooters yesterday because you said there were no indie shooters. =[

Grey

calm down children.

grey is here to save the day

Alex M.

21:19

@GnomeSlice dude I was only kidding there

GnomeSlice

@AlexM. ...Oh.

hasherr

@Grey Is drama brewing?

Alex M.

but once icy joined in I just had to pleasure him

Lasse

You should start ignoring the irritating stuff too, as everyone else but the two of us seems to ignore you

Grey

@hasherr storm's a brewin

Icy is a black belt in Black Hat Hacking

hasherr

21:19

lul

Alex M.

I mean here I am faking and argument an then icy joins in WHO TOTALLY DOESN'T LIKE ARGUMENTS, to start arguing why I'm doing it

Icy Defiance

if you're the only one who is aware that the argument is fake, it's not really fake

Lasse

What if your joke just was bad, and nobody got that

Alex M.

@IcyDefiance I'm not even going to get started on that one

Icy Defiance

sure, easier for me

Alex M.

21:21

@Lasse you still joined in the argument out of nowhere

hasherr

So the RAM I wanted was out of stock on Newegg today, which is a dissapoint, but I found practically the same ram for even cheaper on the site

Lasse

I still read the whole thing

hasherr

It makes me suspicious.

Alex M.

you don't really enter a conflict without liking conflict

Pip

@Grey can you commit the changes you made to the "broken" branch pls

Alex M.

21:21

I don't think this makes sense to you as much as it does to me

Almo

recently, there have been too many game/image/music links to follow all of them. really, it's better to post fewer, since more people will see each one

hasherr

This was the RAM I was going to get

pcpartpicker.com/part/team-memory-tlyd38g1600hc9dc01

Alex M.

it's not like I picked on you

Almo

but I won't bitch if there are too many

Lasse

Even if I'm not typing anything it does not mean I'm not reading everything

Almo

21:22

I'll just ignore them

Alex M.

YOU just picked on me for picking on someone else

hasherr

And here's the one from today

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313344

Is there a problem with these?

Icy Defiance

uhh, no matter how much someone hates conflict, if he thinks there's someone else worth defending, he'll probably join in.

Lasse

I did that because I don't like you picking on people with no apparant reason or apparant joking

Icy Defiance

because that person worth defending probably hates conflict too

Alex M.

21:22

man now you're so deep

both of you

fine

Pip

@hasherr odd

Icy Defiance

at least we're not trying to project our own asshole traits onto other people and justify ourselves by saying two wrongs make a right

Pip

@Grey PLEASE

hasherr

Yeah, I'm tempted to just buy that one

Pip

hey Icy

Alex M.

21:23

@hasherr I have cheap RAM, not sure the difference is that huge in games

Pip

shut it

anyhow, bbl

Grey

Why is everyone upset at everyone???

Almo

three lefts make a right though, if they're 90 degree turns

Alex M.

apparently $60 is cheap for 2x4GB RAM on that store, what the hell

wait, 2X4GB is $100 in Romania

why is RAM so damn expensive out of a sudden

I paid like $40 for my 2x4GB

2 years ago

Icy Defiance

yeah price jumped up quite a bit recently, but I forget why

I'm about to leave for home, so I can't look it up now

Alex M.

21:26

maybe there was another flooding thingy

like how it was with HDDs years ago

Pip

idk

I got one 8gb in my laptop

Lasse

> Two months ago, a fire at a Hynix factory created a shortage in DRAM inventory and exacerbated the gradual climb in DRAM prices.

Oh that's december

Alex M.

at a single factory?

Lasse

So it's 6 months ago now

Yeah

hasherr

@AlexM. JIt's not that it's cheaper, if you look at the specs they're identical

Pip

21:28

@Grey please please please

Grey

omg

hasherr

@Grey ???

Grey

im doing it

pls stop pinging me

Pip

thank you :)

Alex M.

@Grey are you going to make an ad for the project stuff? :(

you can make one with your logo on it

to say something like "Read more about Malware Tycoon or tell us about YOUR project!"

Pip

21:30

@hasherr @Grey who do you think should be our playtester?

Alex M.

^ bad line, should be worked upon more

Pip

maybe Alex?

Alex M.

uh

hasherr

Whoa whoa whoa

Playtester

Grey

Pip

21:31

uh?

hasherr

We don't even have a functional product yet

We're not even CLOSE

Pip

ik

:P

It is a topic for future discussion

hasherr

We don't even have a functional product yet

Alex M.

I wouldn't be a good playtester because

Pip

not nao

ik :P

Alex M.

21:31

I'm not sure I'd be able to tell you guys that something sucks

hasherr

Why are you talking about playtesters?

Pip, I know that we're doing well so far, but let's not get ahead of ourselves.

That's how projects fail.

Grey

@hasherr this

Lasse

I so want to get ahead of myself right now, because I cant get this damn thing to work and I want to do something else, but everything depends on this

Pip

lol

Lasse

And the thing is, I cant get a damn cube on my screen >:(

Alex M.

21:33

@hasherr I think aiming to make a playtester relevant ASAP is a good way to NOT make your project fail

hasherr

It's thinking ahead.

A lot of my projects that have failed have failed because I got ahead of myself. I started overthinking about it, thinking about 'cutting edge features' before I even had a sprite rendered.

Lasse

cubes, y u no work

Alex M.

it's really just trying to get a demo ASAP disguised in a need-a-playtester form

hasherr

And before I knew it, I was laying in bed frustrated and feeling disfunctional

Alex M.

it sets you on the path to getting things on the screen ASAP vs working on the insides exclusively

Pip

21:35

true

Alex M.

remember, a game with half of its features fully implemented might still be fun; a game with all of its features half implemented isn't even playable

4

don't get me wrong

I agree with @hasherr, you don't need playtesters right now, obviously

hasherr

And before I knew it, I was laying in bed frustrated and feeling disfunctional

Pip

@AlexM. yeah

Alex M.

but choosing someone to playtest something and raise expectations for him is sort of a good idea

hasherr

Okay, real quick, can somebody tell me the difference between these two sets of RAM? pcpartpicker.com/part/team-memory-tlad38g1600hc9dc01 and pcpartpicker.com/part/team-memory-tlyd38g1600hc9dc01

Alex M.

21:37

like, choose @Lasse and tell him "two weeks from now we'll have feature X and Y ready for you to test"

and stick to that

get feature X and Y done in two weeks

Lasse

I hope it's running on linux

Pip

it is at the moment

I made sure

hasherr

God damn, my internet is freaking out

Pip

btw @hasherr, when you are making file paths, use the os.sep thing

hasherr

Okay, we can talk about it in a bit

Alex M.

21:38

@hasherr if it's about performance, just choose whichever RAM is cheap and does the job :D

hasherr

hold on

Alex M.

for games, the most important part is the GPU anyway

hasherr

I just don't want to buy bad parts

And I'm pretty sure my GPU is okay.

@AlexM. Here, you can see the whole list if you want pcpartpicker.com/user/hasherr/saved/43ge

Alex M.

if you'd ask me, I'd lower the price on the mobo

and get a more expensive PSU

Lasse

No, don't lower the price on mobo

John McDonald

21:41

@AlexM. These days, the CPU matters a lot

hasherr

O_O

Why do I need a better psu?

530W is damn plenty for a 323W machine

(Yes I know it won't be exaclty 323)

Alex M.

did you never wonder why there are 500W PSUs for $20 and 420W PSUs for $120?

I remember paying $100 for mine

hasherr

I don't know

Grey

lol pygame module not found. it was working b4

HUEAHUEHUHUEHUEh dies

Alex M.

a 520W Antec High Current Gamer

hasherr

21:43

I could get 8 gigs of ram for $70 or 8 gigs of ram for $400

Almo

macpro 2008: 65 pounds.
macpro 2013: 14 pounds.

heheh

much easier to steal though

hasherr

lol

Alex M.

@hasherr compreviews.about.com/od/cases/bb/PSU.htm

aside from the fact that cheap PSUs don't deliver the wattage written on the box

remember the PSU is one of the components most likely to break all other components in case of failure

also it's the only one that can literally catch on fire

do you really want a cheap PSU?

Lasse

pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1550sxxb9

this is way better psu

It's not efficient but it's a lot better by components

hasherr

HERRMMM

I HATE ALL OF UUUU

Alex M.

21:46

just go to a PC store where professionals work and assemble PCs

they're more qualified for advising you than we are

that's what I always do; I take a list of the things I need and discuss it with a pro at the store I buy components from

Lasse

pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1650bbefx

hasherr

I wish I had a store near me

Lasse

this would be with good efficiency too

hasherr

Budget

Pip

@Grey that sucks

hasherr

21:47

I like your other one though

Review on Newegg say it's good

Pip

hey @Noctrine

John McDonald

@Lasse Modular

Noctrine

Sup

Lasse

That too

John McDonald

I've always kinda wanted a Modular PSU

Lasse

21:48

Yeah the non-modular are kind of irritating

hasherr

@Lasse Yeah, that PSU sould be fine

Almo

Hey noc man

Pip

@Noctrine debating playtesters for MalwareTycoon with hash and Grey (not ready to playtest, yet.... not for a while)

Noctrine

If you aren't ready what are you debating?

hasherr

@Pip No we're not

Pip

21:49

pros, cons, when we should do that

listen to hash @Noctrine

Noctrine

What's the debate?

hasherr

I don't even think we should be thinking about playtesting

The project is a baby

Pip

@Grey where is your commit?

hasherr

We shouldn't start visiting college now

Pip

lol

Grey

21:52

@hasherr Commit isn't there.

Pip

alright @hasherr I will drop it

Grey

my pygame module is broken

Pip

that shouldn't matter

Noctrine

If you have nothing to test then, since your team is small and all, focus on making the game. Play testing early bonuses : You may be able to save effort if everything is terrible by starting over earlier. Play testing later bonus : More of your vision is represented, and the urge to change what you are doing when not being able to filter good / bad suggestions is diminished.

Done :D

Grey

@Pip lol k then

Pip

21:54

lol

Noctrine

Does Grey by everyone doughnuts if he breaks the build?

Icy Defiance

should buy me donuts anyway

Pip

he can't break the build, he is pushing to the "broken" branch :P

Grey

@pip I am going to take a shower and then deal with this.

Pip

lol

wait a sec

hasherr

21:56

Thanks Noc

Grey

It's close to 90 degrees and I have been studying for hours

@hasherr NO DONUTs

Pip

all you have to do is: git push origin broken

Grey

@Pip it's not that

Pip

what? just do that pls

Grey

...

I don't think you understand what my problem is pip

at all.

Pip

21:57

nonono

Almo

P4

no git

Noctrine

Remove everything in your computer, put it all back :D

Pip

I don't care about that :P

I just want your progress :P

Noctrine

Pygame Module should work after that :p

Icy Defiance

@Noctrine this works to fix problems with linux, so I say good suggestion

Lasse

21:59

Works with windows too

Icy Defiance

yeah but windows has an easier solution. just turn the computer off and back on again.

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