Game Development

hasherr

8:00 PM

That's why we can't move our arms in a six while our feet move left

It's a bug in the Human file.

GnomeSlice

@hasherr no

Lasse

which is in brainfuck, which is why it's not yet fixed

GnomeSlice

if my game didn't look like this right away

hasherr

when they wrote us they wrote a piece of code like this

GnomeSlice

I would be unhappy with it

Alex M.

8:01 PM

using olive oil to fry things sure leaves a very nice smell in the kitchen

in Romania, if I were to estimate, 98% of all households use sunflower oil to fry things

hasherr

int numOfPositions = 6; // THEY DONE GOOFEED, IT SHOULD BE INT.MAX
for (int i=0; i<numOfPositions; i++)
{
    moveArmAndLegWithNumberTrick(i);
}

@GnomeSlice Very few games look decent

It's about finding a balance that looks good while not being triple-A quality.

GnomeSlice

@hasherr Yeah, well. I launched blender the other day. Looked at it for 2 minutes, and then closed it again.

I'm not an artist.

Alex M.

is that wasteland 2?

hasherr

That's what everybody does

GnomeSlice

Or a programmer

so why would I try to make games?

hasherr

8:03 PM

Because making games is fun.

GnomeSlice

@AlexM. Jagged Alliance Online

Alex M.

damn :(

they all look the same

I'll get Wasteland 2 when it gets cheaper

I hope it's at least as good as Fallout 2

Fallout 2 was like :| -> :\ -> :/ -> :)

GnomeSlice

I have this idea for a game

it's not even original

Alex M.

Fallout 1 was like :) -> :D -> :O -> :D -> :DDDDDDDDDDDddddddddd d

hasherr

@GnomeSlice Make it

Quit yer bitchin'

GnomeSlice

8:05 PM

@AlexM. Dude. Check out Underrail

Lasse

df was like :| -> :F -> :D -> >:( -> :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD -> o_O -> :DDDD

GnomeSlice

@hasherr no

hasherr

Why not?

GnomeSlice

Because I don't know how.

And am not motivated to learn.

hasherr

You come in here and say that you donwloaded unity

Then you say you have a good idea for a game

But then you tell me you aren't motivated enough to make it

I'm not sure what you're trying to communicate. Are you trying to tell me to make it for you?

GnomeSlice

8:08 PM

No.

I just like complaining.

I guess.

hasherr

k

BlueBug

...I think once you have an idea, it kinda grows from within you. It grows slowly to the point your mind cannot confine. Only once it reaches pillar of your mind then you finally do something. Till then I am going to keep practicing rotating my foot while drawing 6.

oh and if anyone read "Negima! Magister Negi Magi". The author started new series. Pretty good.

GnomeSlice

@hasherr wgtghnserfdgkdntb

Stop making me feel bad about myself

BlueBug

underrail.com I suppose games like this must have narrow audience, the play style is pretty hardcore for modern gamers like myself; no fancy graphic, slow tempo. These devs must be more self determined than the rest; don't think you get as much support from the public as the rest other indie projects due to its genre.

also it's not one man dev. One female(appears, I think) dev.

hasherr

8:24 PM

Ugh, I'm so hungry in a hotel room with no food

I might have to go exploring for a vending machine or something

Lasse

no fruits in the minibar?

hasherr

I don't even know if this room has a minibar

Regardless, my parents will kill me if I touch it

Alex M.

@GnomeSlice I already bought it

hasherr

Because according to them only bill Gates could afford the minibar.

Alex M.

didn't get the chance to play it a lot but since it's a story driven RPG I'd rather play it more at release

I mostly wanted to help them alphafund it

because it's not often someone actually makes a true Fallout game

@hasherr lel ikr

hasherr

8:27 PM

Faack, I need food

All I had to eat was a bagel while I was driving

Alex M.

I ate tortellini

Lasse

I ate chicken and rice with some sauce

it was yummy

Alex M.

I'll fry myself some chicken with rice next weekend too

hasherr

I want chicken stir fry

I want asian food right now

Alex M.

I also ate fried cheese today

BlueBug

8:29 PM

can u fry cheese?

Alex M.

yes

BlueBug

that's some mad skill u got there.

Lasse

Alex M.

I took a pic of one of my fried cheeses a long time ago

Lasse

that looks nice

Alex M.

8:30 PM

let me see if I can find it again

hasherr

@AlexM. You should come to America. We'll fry your hand if you give it to us.

Alex M.

@BlueBug the cheese is coated in crumbs

BlueBug

oh my gosh is that like patch of cheese fried? O_O why mcDonalds is not serving this?

hasherr

At fairs here you can get Fried Butter, Fried Marshmallows, Fried Oreos, Fried Snickers, Fried peanut butter

Pretty much anything you want.

Lasse

fried ostrich penis?

hasherr

8:31 PM

Yes.

Alex M.

cheese is tied with pasta for the 2nd best food in the world

Lasse

I hear that's delicacy

Alex M.

the best food in the world is cheese + pasta

hasherr

Nope, never heard of that lol

@AlexM. Mac n' Cheese

GnomeSlice

Cheeseburgers pls

hasherr

8:32 PM

Murica'

Alex M.

lol

GnomeSlice

I'm Canadian

but yeah pretty much

BlueBug

Cheese in macNcheese is not even real cheese. It's some butter-goo.

Lasse

I'm just pasting pics to tease hasherr because I know he's hungry

Alex M.

@BlueBug normally, when I say cheese + pasta I mean

pasta + tomato sauce and Parmigiano-Reggiano powder

hasherr

8:34 PM

GnomeSlice

@BlueBug KD maybe. Not real mac n cheese

Lasse

@hasherr If this did happen in finland, our leaders would ban american flags and matches

Alex M.

and fire

Lasse

yes, fire too

hasherr

EVEN OUR FLAGS DON'T GO OUT WITHOUT A FIGHT

Alex M.

8:35 PM

and anything that helps fire exist

hasherr

FREEDOM REIGNS

Alex M.

like oxygen

BlueBug

@GnomeSlice KD? never heard of

GnomeSlice

@BlueBug You have not lived.

Alex M.

lol

BlueBug

8:37 PM

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kraft_Dinner ohh.. "Kraft Dinner" KD... so cheap. ewhewh... I don't like them. They r too oily.

Alex M.

I would help Bug out and say he's Korean

but he's studying in the US

so he has no excuse

hasherr

HE CAME TO THIS COUNTRY FOR A REASON

lol

God damn, /r/Murica makes me laugh so hard.

BlueBug

the only KDs I got were from vending machines. Maybe vending machine KDs have lower quality but they taste so bad.

Alex M.

# why are americans so good at photoshoppe?

hasherr

Because we're american. We're good at everything.

Alex M.

8:40 PM

damit # I am so jealous

hasherr

Haha, just to make sure I'm not misunderstood, I'm totally kidding.

I don't put myself above anybody for being American.

Lasse

hasherr

I put myself above everybody because I live close to Canada.

HURR

Alright, I'm going to go find food. see you guys in a bit.

BlueBug

actually I like that cake. It's very straight forward; I am fucking goo of sugar creams.

now days cakes have too much stuff around it. I just want some sugar with bread.

Lasse

it's chocolate vanillacreme cherry jam and chili

GnomeSlice

8:45 PM

@Lasse best cake

BlueBug

why chili though? Chili? with sugar? hmm...

Lasse

idk

chili and chocolate go well together

BlueBug

really? Never tried chili with anything sweet. that's odd.

user4704

I mean I wouldn't dump a Hershey's bar into a bowl of chili.

Alex M.

> Behind the scenes, that query is securely beamed up to Bing along with contextual pieces that help us hone in on the fuller meaning of that query. We use meta-data like the project type, semantic context (using the new C#/VB compiler services aka ‘Roslyn’!), and a few other sprinkles of Microsoft Research magic.

I wonder if Bing Code Search will get banned in certain places

due to Microsoft receiving info about each project on each query

BlueBug

8:49 PM

so maybe not like bowl chili inside, but like dried meaty chili inside the cake? hmm... still that sounds odd.

user4704

Depending on how much it captures, we couldn't even use it internally.

Alex M.

makes sense

user4704

@BlueBug Yeah that isn't the way to do it.

Alex M.

anyway I'll try not to focus too much on bing search in my article, and just get to the point

user4704

You'd put chocolate -- the higher cacao percentages usually -- inside the chili.

user4704

8:50 PM

Or, you put chili peppers inside chocolate bars.

user4704

The flavors pair, but not all manifestations thereof do.

Lasse

Our local chocolate factory makes chocolate with bits of chili powder in it

BlueBug

that(higher cacao) makes more sense .

Lasse

not much though

user4704

It's fairly common among boutique chocolate makers or those trying to ride the trends.

Lasse

8:51 PM

they have done it for years

chili and coffee works too

it makes the coffee flavours come out better

BlueBug

do u drink coffee after? or while u eat the chili?

Lasse

after the chili or while eating the chili, does not really matter

depends on preference I guess

Alex M.

RhysW

@AlexM. So I can say that sliced bread is the greatest thing since betty white...and be correct? :D

Alex M.

I guess :D

RhysW

8:56 PM

that one about the fax machine and the oregon trail i find the most hard to believe

Alex M.

didn't bother checking them but Wikipedia should have everything required

RhysW

yeah, its just a real 'wwoah' moment

Alex M.

I think the thing seems unbelievable because it shows a very recent fax machine

I'm sure the first fax machine was a huge pile of... stuff

Lasse

I wonder how crappy the first fax was

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Hellow

Alex M.

9:00 PM

hi

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

When doing floating comparisons in shaders, do you have to take extra precaution when using the == operator?

Lasse

you don't really compare floats with ==

in any language

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Lets say I want to compare two pixels and check if they're the same color.

RhysW

@Lasse And if they were equally confused as people today when they still have the sheet of paper afterwards

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

From my understanding, shaders tend to work in the range 0.00 .. 1.00 for color components.

That's 0,00390625 per color increment if I'm using 256 color depth.

Lasse

9:02 PM

abs(a - b) < EPSILON;

epsilon is the tolerance

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Yeah, that's the proper way, but does that apply to shaders as well?

Lasse

yes

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I mean, branching on shaders is bad, so you'd think they'd do something to avoid it.

Alex M.

@ToddersLegrande shit, I forgot about the jam site :O

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

But I guess you're already doing a comparison, so that doesn't apply. :P

Alex M.

9:03 PM

fuck, and nobody said anything

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Alright, that's what I'll do then.

BlueBug

from my experience, if statement slows down shader much. I avoided using conditions at all when I am shaderring.

Lasse

"they" don't do anything to avoid it, you need to do it yourself

Alex M.

wait I forgot about the jam altogether wtf

gotta make the next jam by beginning of next month

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@BlueBug, I'm just toying with letting the GPU handle tiling based on neighbors

Lasse

9:05 PM

in the shaders, the blocks where the condition is not met is run anyway, just with read-only memory flag set active

hasherr

I has returned! With foodz!

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@Lasse, Do you know much about shaders?

Lasse

not too much, I'm still learning myself

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Ah

I was thinking I could just use integers, but I'm unsure what shaders support that.

I'm using MonoGame and their shader compiler which allow me to compile "vs_3_0" and "ps_3_0".

Lasse

I don't know anything about HLSL

I just use GLSL

BlueBug

9:13 PM

@Lasse I can find why branching is bad in shaderring, but I can't find any source to understand "where the condition is not met is run anyway" may u elaborate?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@Lasse Well this should end us as GLSL. It's an OpenGL project.

What's the least version you need for integer support in GLSL?

Lasse

if(condition) {
   value = somehardcomputation();
} else {
   value = 1;
}

@BlueBug if the condition is not met, the somehardcomputation is done anyway, just with read-only memory

BlueBug

o_o that sounds very odd

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I read that the threads will pause and wait for the other threads to catch up.

BlueBug

what if condition is met, then will the rest "else" executed?

Lasse

9:15 PM

yeah they do that

if the condition is met, then the else will be run in read-only

BlueBug

Lasse

@William'MindWorX'Mariager I don't know

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@BlueBug The Community! :D

BlueBug

YES! (mind blown)

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Lovely show

Doesn't have even the slightest hint of a storyline. Just a bunch of sketches :P

Lasse

9:19 PM

HLSL have these weird [unroll] and etc stuff which can be applied on if clauses and for loops

I have no idea what they actually do to the code

msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/…

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A: How much performance do conditionals and unused samplers/textures add to SM2/3 pixel shaders?

Setting a texture on the GPU takes some CPU time, but it is reasonably small in comparison to the actual batch cost. More importantly, it should have no impact at all on the actual shader execution, if the shader never references it. Now, there are three ways that branching can be handled: Firs...

2

this applies to GLSL too I believe

http.developer.nvidia.com/GPUGems2/gpugems2_chapter34.html

I'm gonna go sleep, night

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I think I can avoid conditionals using the "all" function.

Alex M.

for some reason I instructed Vim to open up the build log... with notepad

instead of just opening a new buffer for it

I'm still not sure why I did that

Leggy7

amphetamines?

Alex M.

why the hell did I think about using notepad for that

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

n = all(current - topLeftSample) * 1
n += all(current - topSample) * 2
n += all(current - topRightSample) * 4
etc.

Leggy7

9:34 PM

definetly heavy drugs

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Not sure if that's faster than conditionals though.

Alex M.

@Leggy7 lol

►

this works great as background music

and it's like 9 hours of it

hasherr

@AlexM. Why woudl you ever use Notepad

Alex M.

I dunno man

hasherr

9:51 PM

Supposedly we're getting a new long-term project in CS class next week.

I'm really excited

Alex M.

yeah, I gotta do one too, but it's really easy and I have like 3 months to do it

hasherr

Lol, what's yours?

Alex M.

I forgot

hasherr

And I'll proably only have like 2 weeks, and I'll have to do it in C++.

facepalm

I kind of like C++ now.

Alex M.

I'm having one of these again

the beer is 3x more beautiful IRL

it's like, pitch black

you literally can't see through it

hasherr

9:54 PM

ha

What's drinking age in Romenya?

Alex M.

18

hasherr

I assumed 5.

Alex M.

yeah, kids start drinking at about 10, and nobody cares

mainly because nothing bad happens

hasherr

lol

Alex M.

it rural areas it's common for parents to share a glass with their sons

hasherr

9:55 PM

o_o

Can I come stay with you?

Alex M.

sure

alcohol abuse is bad

hasherr

lol

Alex M.

occasional drinking is NOT bad

hasherr

Everything in moderation.

Alex M.

whoever says "alcohol is bad for your health" is a fucking retard

hasherr

9:56 PM

Well, to be truthful, you're literally drinking poison

Poison for your brain.

Alex M.

sorry, nope

medicaldaily.com/7-health-benefits-drinking-alcohol-247552

the beer I posted above is made in my city

it's not the best of its kind that I tasted, but it sure feels unique

hasherr

> It Can Improve Your Libido

Alex M.

it has a taste that I'd best describe as burned wood

hasherr

This is why they teach us that it's poison

Because they tell us that sex is unnatural and bad.

Alex M.

lol

wait a sec I got something on that

hasherr

9:59 PM

Instead of saying 'We're know you're going to do it anyways, so here's how to be safe about it' they tell us how unnatural and bad it is and try to scare us away

Alex M.

hasherr

And ever since that happened there have been more teen pregnancies every year.

BlueBug

there can be good components in a drink, but some r, I think, more like just alcohol + water. Soju. My favorite. It taste like watered alcohol, and is really watered alcohol with some scent.

Soju

Soju (Hangul 소주; Hanja 燒酒) is a distilled beverage native to Korea. Jinro and Lotte soju are the first and third top selling alcohol brands in the world. It is usually consumed neat. Most brands of soju are made in South Korea. It is traditionally made from rice, wheat, barley, but modern producers of soju use supplements or even replace rice with other starches, such as potatoes, sweet potatoes, or tapioca. Soju is clear and colorless. Its alcohol content varies from about 16.7%, to about 45% alcohol by volume (ABV) for traditional Andong soju, with 20% ABV being most common. However,...

hasherr

I wonder when somebody is going to get pregnant at my school this year...

Alex M.

BlueBug

10:02 PM

^hurhurhur

Alex M.

morale of the story: start eating horses

they think you're ugly

hasherr

I'm okay with this.

The eating bit.

hasherr

10:21 PM

I can never get enough of this song

►

Alex M.

1

A: Call a method without calling it

C# We can abuse the DLR to always execute some code whenever you try to call any method on a class. This is slightly less cheap/obvious than solutions like delegates, reflections, static constructors, etc., because the method being executed is not only never invoked but never even referenced, no...

this seems interesting

Grey

10:44 PM

@alexm. stopnow

Alex M.

what

Almo

plates start DLR... he didn't finish writing it

not sure I agree with your police work there, Lou.

Grey

@AlexM. too sn34ky 5 u

Yes that is reflection.

In Unity Free. Without GrabPass.

Only way to achieve this is to use Texture2D.ReadPixels but I'm not entirely sure how performance friendly that's going to be in the future. I have two textures. The texture grabbed from the frame buffer and the gradient texture itself. I combine the two textures into one texture and slap it onto the dynamic water mesh and, fwoosh - you have reflection.

Alex M.

did you just take a picture of your screen

what is that

Grey

@AlexM. water

Alex M.

10:54 PM

I saw that

nice

Grey

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/130520/realtime_glow.php

Probably the best article I found on implementing real-time glow cheaply

I am also attached to this article

IT SHOULD STAY UP FOR EVER

5 everyone to SEE

it's not dry like the stuff you read on the other technical articles.

Alex M.

1

A: Call a method without calling it

Objective-C (Probably only if compiled with clang on Mac OS X) #import <Foundation/Foundation.h> #import <objc/runtime.h> void unusedFunction(void) { printf("huh?\n"); exit(0); } int main() { NSString *string; string = (__bridge id)(void*)0x2A27; // Is this really valid? ...

this one is hardcore

Grey

That is physically and emotionally impossible.

Unless you somehow told someone to call the person that you intended on calling.

Alex M.

shut up and make an account on that website

then upvote my question

#brosb4logic

Grey

u r after the rep?

#brosb4rep

Alex M.

11:03 PM

no lol but I got two downvotes that did not explain the reason

and I want to make up for it

Grey

logging in and upvoting

Alex M.

brofist

Grey

OKAY glow shader time. super focus. very focus.

Alex M.

I'm a bit surprised that people seem to upvote the most obvious solution

changing the return address on the stack when exiting a method, in C

I think there are better solutions there, that are much harder to get

Grey

Omg. Unity Free makes everything so difficult. Hmm. Apparently the render target feature is pro only. neeeearggghhh

aha offscreen buffer

PRO ONLY

flipping tables

Alex M.

11:11 PM

unity free doesn't allow you to make anything other than gameplay

sorry

Grey

I refuse to believe this. Challenge Accepted @AlexM.

I mean that's their aim, but there have people that have made some really neat looking projects(with bloom - or faux bloom) in the indie version.

there is a way to get around the render texture issue

Alex M.

just use Godot

or unreal engine

Grey

I would but I'm too invested in Unity now.

Actually after im done with this project in unity im going to opengl

something low-level =)

Alex M.

so you'll stop making games? :(

Grey

Haha

It might take me another year or two to learn OpenGL and get comfortable with it but it will pay off I think. So when I get myself up to speed with it I'll be making things like generative art or screensavers(which are fun)

In fact, I had this idea for a screen saver which just involved line renderers, a timer, a bloom shader, and some procedural meshes.

Basically generate a bunch of "buildings" which are just rectangles, with perhaps some small rectangles stacked on top of the bases of the buildings to give it some variation. Giving them a transparent texture, while using the line render to give a trace effect from edge to vertice

inspiration: tron opening

@AlexM. I WILL STOP MAKING LE GAMes

I have 2 months to get down into indie cade

or rather. at a presentable state.

Alex M.

11:22 PM

what's with you and screensavers

you know nobody uses screensavers anymore right?

Grey

@AlexM. I fight for the users.

@AlexM. Yes

but it's fun to do =)