Game Development

Alex M.

4:00 PM

not so dark here

looks good @AlexM.

@ShotgunNinja *seth!

I need buildings

yes u do :D

and some debugging in-game tools like setting points and teleporting to them through commands

Shotgun Ninja

4:01 PM

@CodeAssassin s/*seth/sed, a stream editor

ToddersLegrande

@AlexM. a gazebo perhaps?

Shotgun Ninja

gnu.org/software/sed/manual/sed.html#The-_0022s_0022-Command

Alex M.

well I already have teleporters scripted for in-game use

but I was thinking about a debugging menu

Jimmy

@ToddersLegrande I shoot the gazebo with my bow!

Code Assassin

@Jimmy all dey everydey

TheProgramm3r

4:03 PM

@Jimmy i love munchkin

ToddersLegrande

@Jimmy it's a gazebo....

;)

Code Assassin

netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/98/Jul/gazebo.html

TheProgramm3r

@ToddersLegrande but its a LEVEL 8 gazebo

Jimmy

but at least it's wounded now

ToddersLegrande

@TheProgramm3r see the link @CodeAssassin has found for us all

TheProgramm3r

4:04 PM

@ToddersLegrande i saw

Alex M.

the teleporter was one of those simple things I made to make the gameplay more nice lol

protected override void OnActivation(GameCharacter ActivatingCharacter) {
		if (IsActive) {
			if (TargetTeleporter.IsActive) {
				ActivatingCharacter.Teleport(TargetTeleporter);
			}
			else {
				HUD.ShowNotification("The teleporter at the other end seems to be inactive.");
			}
		} else {
			HUD.ShowNotification ("It seems the teleporter is not active...");
		}
	}

since I'm switching everything to external script files, it looks like it'll get some overhauling

TheProgramm3r

@ToddersLegrande the card game "Munchkni stole that, the Gazebo is a level 8 monster card

Alex M.

the polymorphysm will be replaced with composition, to make it simpler to build objects from scripts

TheProgramm3r

i meant "Munchkin" btw

ToddersLegrande

never would have guessed :P

TheProgramm3r

4:08 PM

:P

have you played it?

ToddersLegrande

Many times

TheProgramm3r

i love it :D

i get to play in a few weeks

when i visit family in Indiana, we always play at least once

@ToddersLegrande @CodeAssassin i found it!

Alex M.

you totally need to stop @Someone-ing everyone for every little thing

ToddersLegrande

I don't disagree

Alex M.

what relationship did I have with this gazebo of yours anyway

TheProgramm3r

4:12 PM

there

Alex M.

awesome

TheProgramm3r

im leaving...........

Tips48

Why is OpenGL so confusing :(

Alex M.

yeah, I can now click on one of those torches and teleport to another torch in the level

it's still worse than a debugging menu

luckily, it's a level for testing stuff, otherwise I might have forgotten such scripts attached in the final game lol

I am interested in hiring someone to design an App for iPhone from scratch, and if things go well, an Android App as well. The App is fairly simple. It is an alarm clock App which will play audio and video (to get woken up by videos).

I get it if it's a justin bieber video lol

Shotgun Ninja

@AlexM. How are you woken up by a video, if your eyes are closed?

Alex M.

4:22 PM

history channel aliens guy magic

Code Assassin

@Tips48 Boilerplate code?

Tips48

I just don't understand anything :P

I've yet to find a tutorial where it doesn't just give you like 15 OpenGL specific lines and expects you to know what every one does :P

Code Assassin

arcsynthesis.org/gltut

Before you touch OpenGL make sure you're up to par with C++. You should at least know about data-structures,pointers, and OOP.

If you know how to add,subtract,multiply,divide and are good with fractions then you should be able to do the math associated with graphics programming =)

(and decimals :P)

Alex M.

there'll be a whole city stuck in that cave

Code Assassin

@AlexM. Name it after MEEEEE

Alex M.

4:37 PM

I'm not sure I'll give it a name

Code Assassin

Aight ^_^

Alex M.

I'll let you play through it though

that ought to make up for it

normally, it's team-only

Code Assassin

Haha I was joking about the name thing :P

Alex M.

alright, no game for you then >:)

Code Assassin

@AlexM. Heh no problem :3 I actually want to be able to do stuffz in the cave and be able to see all the pretty shaders. I demand top notch shaders by the way.

Alex M.

4:41 PM

you'll have to wait for those, I've yet no idea what a shader does

Code Assassin

indieroyale.com

Alex M.

yeah, I posted it some time ago

dat sniper elite

Code Assassin

snap. Too bad it's short

Alex M.

people should totally buy that DLC thingy

it lets you kill the person whose name I won't say because I bet someone will feel it's either offensive or racist

Code Assassin

@AlexM. That's a safe bet.

Alex M.

4:48 PM

In-game dispute led to Facebook comments from 18-year-old referencing school shooting.

Texas teen jailed after League of Legends argument

gamespot.com/news/…

does the US jail EVERYONE?!

Tips48

Yep

pretty much

Alex M.

I am confused as to how you guys still prefer to live there

Tips48

lol

Code Assassin

Stairway to Heaven (Led Zeppelin) <3

Alex M.

cool RaspPi is now officially sold in Romania

2

$55.14 for the 512MB rev2

Tips48

5:02 PM

glUseProgram(theProgram); wtf is theProgram >_<

Alex M.

shipping included

Tips48

lol

Code Assassin

@Tips48 know how to read documentation?

Tips48

Yes lol I found it now

Code Assassin

opengl.org/sdk/docs/man/xhtml/glUseProgram.xml

Romeo

5:05 PM

Help a poor fella: gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/58417/…

@AlexM. an ex-classmate of mine has a RaspPi and we played with it a little :D He bought a bunch of displays and input stuff for it. Very kinky stuff.

Alex M.

kinky? :O

my god blush

I'm sure I'll love it then

Code Assassin

5:31 PM

Aight live stream time.

Shotgun Ninja

@AlexM. brohoof

Code Assassin

We are live in....

twitch.tv/grestranger

Graphics are drawn by an awesome dude in finland btw

Shotgun Ninja

Hello GreStranger!

also, chat is borked for me

Code Assassin

@ShotgunNinja :< let me see how I can fix that

Shotgun Ninja

kk

is probably a local thing

fixd

Code Assassin

5:38 PM

@ShotgunNinja yay

@ShotgunNinja If you say something via chat will it notify me?

Shotgun Ninja

it shouldn't unless you enable it...

it's turned off by default for busier channels iirc

Code Assassin

@ShotgunNinja got it.

Labor intensive process of creating a mockup.

ToddersLegrande

I've seen these graphics before :O

Shotgun Ninja

@CodeAssassin If I were you, I'd write up some quick tiling code and a pick-and-place editor... but you may be far better at graphics than code.

Code Assassin

@ToddersLegrande ;)

@ShotgunNinja Graphics are by a friend of mine - and I've written a little tile editor before. But you are right

I was actually planning on using Gleed2D for collision boxes and such - so the map would just be a .png

or should I go with the custom pick and place editor approach?

@ShotguNinja ping

Shotgun Ninja

5:53 PM

Do you have an engine already?

Alex M.

@ShotgunNinja brohoof

nothing as nice as a shower

Shotgun Ninja

for sure

Alex M.

the temperature went below 20

I did say I wanted the weather to stop being so hot

but now it's too cold

(celsius, that is)

Code Assassin

@ShotgunNinja No too cool for enginesssss(lol)

Shotgun Ninja

@CodeAssassin If you already have an engine, then I'd stick with whatever works for that. If you're writing your own engine, then I'd say leverage the code base from that, and write a custom editor using that architecture. You get dual benefits of testing your engine with your editor, and customizing the code based on the needs that arise from using the editor.

Alex M.

5:55 PM

looks like I need some trousers and a warmer blanket

Shotgun Ninja

The biggest thing is to have common code between your game and your editor.

Common code means common functionality. When one changes, so does the other.

Code Assassin

Got it.

Shotgun Ninja

What language are you using?

Code Assassin

C#,XNA.

Making it for a few friends who want to play something with their controllers :P (they have an xbox so it's my only option.... considering something that I'm familiar with)

Alex M.

pragprog.com - the pragmatic bookshelf

pragmatic programming books for pragmatic programmers

Shotgun Ninja

5:58 PM

Oh, perfect. You have a well-tested Tier 0, and you'll have a common Tier 1 between your editor and your game.

Alex M.

The Healthy Programmer: Get Fit, Feel Better, and Keep Coding

Beta eBook + Paper Book ($46.00)

Shotgun Ninja

Then you build up Tier 2 for the editor and the game separately, and there's your code.

Alex M.

if those $46.00 are from your dessert budget, you're already doing progress

Shotgun Ninja

oh wait, off by one.

Code Assassin

Check it out

Shotgun Ninja

5:59 PM

Tier 0 = Platform-specific code. Tier 1 = Common underlying frameworks. Tier 2 = Common engine code. Tier 3 = Specific game/editor code.

That's how the Source engine is divided up.

Code Assassin

Okay so I'm missing tier 3?

Shotgun Ninja

Well, Tier 3 (using the Source model as an example) is stuff like character- and weapon-specific functionality.

aka "game" code.

Tier 2 is "engine" code, Tier 1 is "framework" code, Tier 0 is "platform" code.

Code Assassin

So that means I'm missing tier 2 and tier 0. O:

Shotgun Ninja

Since you're using XNA, that covers most of Tier 0 and 1.

Code Assassin

well

Okay then just tier 2 :P lol.

ToddersLegrande

6:03 PM

I don't know if I fully agree that the editor and game need to share a lot of code. It depends on what you want your editor to do I suppose.

John McDonald

Hey @Kikaimaru, I updated to Awesomium 1.7.1 last night

Shotgun Ninja

Tier 2 is anything that can be shared (file loaders, data models for levels and character info, display loops, bootstrap stuff, etc.) between the two bodies.

Code Assassin

GDI+ and its flickering lulz. @ToddersLegrande Just be able to load maps and save maps so I can edit them and create them to my leisure.

Alex M.

I liked how the guys behind Dungeon Siege layered things at the top level

Shotgun Ninja

Yeah, there's typically not much that can be shared, especially behavioral code, but there's still enough that should be separated (ie. in the game, but not the editor) for this to remain relevant.

ToddersLegrande

6:05 PM

@CodeAssassin in its simplest form a map is just data. If my level designers can get me the data in the format needed by my game, I don't care if they use a full blown editor that I wrote or if they write me some XML by hand.

Shotgun Ninja

@ToddersLegrande Well, in some situations it's non-trivial to write a loader for more complicated level formats, which is where a multitiered architecture would come in handy.

Code Assassin

Yeah I usually use the age-old trick of using numbers to represent certain objects. I think I'll just stick with the .png and Gleed approach because I don't feel like touching my editor code... that was meant as an experiment anyways.

ToddersLegrande

Right. That's where the "it depends on what you want your editor to do" comes in.

Shotgun Ninja

Fair enough.

Code Assassin

we r famileh

nu rguing

pls

Shotgun Ninja

6:07 PM

kk <3

Code Assassin

<3

@ToddersLegrande (where's your heart!!?!?)

Alex M.

I always thought families argued about everything

ToddersLegrande

This is friendly programmer debate IMO. :P

</3

Code Assassin

@ToddersLegrande YOU DONT HAVE AN OPNION!

nauidsbidasbdsa

ToddersLegrande

:O

Code Assassin

6:08 PM

@ToddersLegrande War.

ToddersLegrande

Opinions are like arm pits... I don't have any?

Alex M.

family arguments that end well are one way to show love

Shotgun Ninja

Opinions are like nipples.

Code Assassin

@AlexM. Be the bigger person :P

Alex M.

they're substantially different from arguments that end with one wanting to shoot the other in the head

Code Assassin

6:09 PM

@ShotgunNinja NO NIPPLES

Shotgun Ninja

> Opinions are like nipples, everybody has one. Some have firm points, others are barely discernible through layers, and some are displayed at every opportunity regardless of whether the audience has stated "I am interested in your nipples" or not.

Alex M.

programming is like cake

I like cake

ToddersLegrande

So... I don't have nipples.

or "an" nipple I guess

I might have one

Code Assassin

@AlexM. Cake.

Alex M.

<3

Code Assassin

6:10 PM

Okay going back to making my map - anyone like Donavon?

@ToddersLegrande :> fat (snicker)

Men don't have nipples.

I think this conversation is going over the way-side though.

ToddersLegrande

@CodeAssassin WHO YOU CALLING FAT?!

Code Assassin

@ToddersLegrande lol. It's just.... bean dip :P

ToddersLegrande

lol wut

Code Assassin

Lol you don't want to know.

Hurdy Gurdy Man <3

Donavon is the best.

What would you guys like to see in a top-down shooter(please nothing over the top I need to get this done by thursday)

Alex M.

google this: cyberdogs

it's an amazing top down shooter that tries not to bore you

and yes, tons of enemies are boring

fun fact: it was written in Borland Pascal by one guy, many years ago

ToddersLegrande

6:17 PM

@CodeAssassin twin stick controls would probably be my request.

This is supposed to be multiplayer?

Code Assassin

@ToddersLegrande You can help me with that - no xbox controller :<

@ToddersLegrande Local

ToddersLegrande

Oh... speaking of "by Thursday"

Code Assassin

@ToddersLegrande LOL

ToddersLegrande

To actually get this on the Xbox you need the creators club membership

Code Assassin

@ToddersLegrande Xbox Live yeah

ToddersLegrande

6:18 PM

not the same thing

Code Assassin

Wat?

@ToddersLegrande If we can't do that I'll just bring my HDMI cable over plug it into my comp and display computer on tv screen and they can plug in the controllers into my computer via usb.

That would work right?

ToddersLegrande

If you've got wired controllers yeah

Code Assassin

Yeah.....

DAMIT

He has one

ToddersLegrande

Lots of people have wireless these days

Code Assassin

but it's not for the 360... it's an old Xbox controller.

ToddersLegrande

6:19 PM

I have no ideas on that one

Code Assassin

Ill see if there's something that allows me to connect to some wireless one... but I mean there should be software like MotionInJoy that allows me to do that.... I think.

Alex M.

sparkfun.com/products/11612

this would definitely work well for a room station on a Pi

ToddersLegrande

@CodeAssassin yeah maybe. I've never looked into it

Alex M.

I wonder if I could find thinner, and less feature-rich LCD displays, to somehow hack myself a tiny rasp laptop

ToddersLegrande

I bought a wired Xbox 360 controller long before I owned an Xbox just so I could do XNA development

Shotgun Ninja

6:28 PM

@AlexM. Rasp-top?

Alex M.

rasptop sounds legit

ToddersLegrande

Needs a touch screen

Alex M.

ebay.com/itm/…

this has touchscreen and is what I need

Code Assassin

screw it I may need to make a tile editor lol

but I'm too far into it :<

ToddersLegrande

use TILED or something

Alex M.

6:41 PM

mappy!

use mappy

ToddersLegrande

@CodeAssassin what is the point of doing it in inkscape anyway?

Shotgun Ninja

I've toyed with Mappy and TILED before, I think I liked Mappy better...

ToddersLegrande

I've not used either, honestly

Shotgun Ninja

Also, I love my company sometimes.

Alex M.

I have first heard about Mappy from a book written by Jonathan S. Harbour

"Visual Basic game programming for teens"

ToddersLegrande

6:43 PM

@ShotgunNinja the Glee episode just doesn't do the show justice :P

Code Assassin

@ToddersLegrande I'm not using inkscape doing it in GIMP. I planned on using Gleed2D but this is just taking too long.

ToddersLegrande

@CodeAssassin same difference :P

Code Assassin

@ToddersLegrande :> okay so mappy it is I guess

ToddersLegrande

I just don't understand why you feel the need to mock it up when you could just do it

Code Assassin

@ToddersLegrande It wasn't a mockup it was an actual map. Gleed2D for collision boxes

ToddersLegrande

6:50 PM

Ah

Code Assassin

Mappy looks weird

NUP

ToddersLegrande

I guess on the plus side, with the way you were doing it, you didn't need to plan out all your tiles (as in you can offset things or scale things as needed without needing to create a new tile for it). Just have to be conscientious of map size and slice it up as necessary.

But if you were using the tiles as is, a tile map editor makes more sense since you can just paint the tiles on.

Code Assassin

Is Tiled easy to use?

my tiles aren't exactly 16x16 they are different sizes :/

Alex M.

mappy is pretty easy

ToddersLegrande

@CodeAssassin are you sure that your tiles aren't 16x16 with some transparency on the edges?

@CodeAssassin OMG the painting is magical :P

Code Assassin

6:56 PM

I am sure bro

ToddersLegrande

LIES

Code Assassin

@ToddersLegrande not magic its magik

@ToddersLegrande :<

ToddersLegrande

Majick*

Code Assassin

How to rotate tiles

<:<

ToddersLegrande

You add a rotated version to your tileset? xD

Code Assassin

7:00 PM

@ToddersLegrande DIS IS SHIT

flips table

ToddersLegrande

:O

Code Assassin

TOO SMOOTh

Alex M.

I'd be grateful if you would like to leave the tables alone.

it is for your own good

otherwise, I'll start flipping users

Code Assassin

@AlexM. :M

I do as I want I DO AS I PLEASE!

Alex M.

flips @CodeAssassin

Code Assassin

7:02 PM

NO

flips @CodeAssassin

(っ-●益●)っ ,︵‿

This just got real

ᕙ(`▽´)ᕗ

flips @AlexM.

ToddersLegrande

@CodeAssassin OMG HE TOOK OUT HIS EYEBALLS

Alex M.

7:03 PM

(っ-●益●)っ @CodeAssassin

Code Assassin

(╥﹏╥)

ToddersLegrande

Or maybe he's just flexing

Code Assassin

I may have to stop the stream for a while :P

Need to do some important bizz

MY PHONE EST COMING TODAY

@AlexM. (◣◢)┌∩┐

Alex M.

yeah, I need a new phone too

I think I'll get an android instead of a lumia

@CodeAssassin gasp

that is so... insulting

ToddersLegrande

@AlexM. DON'T DO IT

Alex M.

7:05 PM

hmph.

Code Assassin

I only have

3 fingers

Not my fault

Shotgun Ninja

@AlexM. I have that book, lol

Alex M.

cool!

Code Assassin

@ShotgunNinja :< sounds stoopid

for teens

Shotgun Ninja

It really was. It was the worst game development book I've ever read.

For one, it was all in Visual Basic.

For two, they dumbed it down and provided no further understanding of how everything works.

Alex M.

7:08 PM

heh

Shotgun Ninja

For three, the copy I got was secondhand, and missing the CD.

Alex M.

the author got some criticism for his GBA book

I think the VB book was well balanced FOR TEENS

Shotgun Ninja

Also

halleonard.com/product/…

ToddersLegrande

I believe my wife owns that one

(she plays piano)

Code Assassin

@ToddersLegrande Talent

Piano = Good with Acoustic and singing.

I just want to get a job @thatgamecompany

Naughty Dog is too naughty(tuff) even though it is within my local vicinity. I mean I love their games but it has too many employee's if you know what I mean... something a bit smaller

ToddersLegrande

7:13 PM

Yeah she's way more musical than I am. I might be jealous.

Code Assassin

@ToddersLegrande too much skill

ToddersLegrande

She's finally conceding to the fact that I might know a thing or two more about computers than her. flex

Code Assassin

@ToddersLegrande lol

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(..(")(")✿❀❁(")("

♪┏(・o･)┛♪┗ ( ･o･) ┓♪
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☆

Gajoo

hey guys in case any one wants to rip textures (sprite sheets) from mega man, take a look at this site : sprites-inc.co.uk/files/X

Alex M.

the galaxy s2 looks well balanced for the price

Code Assassin

7:17 PM

@Gajoo old

Alex M.

it's a bit old but in the price range I can't find top notch devices

Gajoo

@CodeAssassin if you knew, you could have told me about it in the past 4 days >:

Code Assassin

@Gajoo spriters-resource.com

Dammit

hold on

Gajoo

@CodeAssassin there is a big difference, in the number of sprites in the site I've linked

Code Assassin

@Gajoo I know

I've been to that site before they also have other sprites as well besides megaman

The site I juts linked you also has 3D models btw

Gajoo

7:19 PM

I know,

right now I'm looking for an image I took from that site, but I can't find it

something like this:

finally it was MMX2 weapons

ToddersLegrande

8:12 PM

Whoops.

Was building a new development VM and installed Windows Server 2012 on it expecting to install SharePoint 2010 on it.

Apparently thats not supported until SharePoint 2010 SP2... release date TBD

Gajoo

8:39 PM

@ToddersLegrande so why not SP2012?

ToddersLegrande

I'll assume you mean 2013 :P

but the answer is I do development for both. So I need both

Gajoo

ok

ToddersLegrande

Now I've got a 2008R2 server provisioned. Waiting for it to get added to the domain.

For anyone who cares, Windows Server 2012 off the bat seems WAY faster than 2008 R2

Alex M.

yay screenshot from above

was sitting on a platform meant to allow access to certain lumps of ore above the floor

Romeo

@ToddersLegrande did you buy it? Or you got that version for students?

ToddersLegrande

8:55 PM

@Romeo I use it for work

Romeo

Ohh i see.

ToddersLegrande

Also, for anyone who cares, Hyper V on Windows 8 + VMs seems pretty awesome right now. But I'm barely 2 days into trying to get it all set up

Alex M.

Microsoft’s Xbox Head Don Mattrick Leaving to Take Top Role — Possibly CEO — At Zynga

har har, so appropriate

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