Game Development

i would too ordinarily, but i have been working on this for three days, no one has been able to make me understand it or get it to work, my question was closed and deleted.....

Almo

oh no

PythonInProgress

?

Almo

lemme look at the pastebin again

PythonInProgress

12:29 AM

OK ill give the link again if you need it, but it'll take a sec

Almo

you looked at my examples?

looks like you're just not initializing them properly

PythonInProgress

ok, how do i do that?

Almo

look in my example

the .append adds elements to the array

theArr = []

makes an array

theArr.append(0)

PythonInProgress

ok

Almo

adds an element to it so that you have

theArr == [0]

theArr.append(1) then makes it
theArr == [0, 1]

then you can say
print theArr[1] and it will print "1" which is the 1st (not 0th) element

if you want a 2d array, each element must be an array

so for Tic Tac Toe board, you'd need
theArr = []
theArr.append([])
theArr.append([])

theArr.append([])

then you need to initialize the 3 internal arrays

PythonInProgress

12:32 AM

ok

Almo

for i in range(3): theArr[0].append(i)

for i in range(3): theArr[1].append(i)
for i in range(3): theArr[2].append(i)

now you have
theArr == [ [0, 1, 2], [0, 1, 2], [0, 1, 2] ]

PythonInProgress

ok

lols its like i cant say anything but ok

Almo

now you can do theArr[1][1] = 5 and get
theArr == [ [0, 1, 2], [0, 5, 2], [0, 1, 2] ]

my appends should be append(i)

PythonInProgress

so i can do theArr[0][0] = True

Almo

should be able to, yes

PythonInProgress

12:35 AM

is there a way to detect if any of them == True?

Almo

if theArr[1][1] == True:
do something

or probably since it's a boolean, just if theArr[1][1]:

PythonInProgress

ok. good.

Almo

I'm not a python expert, but I think this will all work

PythonInProgress

so how do i draw the blocks then, just use the current code?

Almo

no clue

i only ever did text output in python

I've only written one program and some SCons build files in it

PythonInProgress

12:38 AM

ahh, i use pygame for graphics. i was going to switch to jython to use java's graphics, but it was weird

Almo

hahah :)

ok heading into a LoL game

talk to you later; hope you get it worked out :)

PythonInProgress

kk love league, never played but watched

hello @jlptn1

Almo

I play ranked games quite a bit

very challenging

I'm still in 2nd lowest league :(

PythonInProgress

lols

Almo

got into 3rd for a while, lost every game and got demoted

PythonInProgress

12:48 AM

:P

Almo

I'm a good team player. But I can't carry bad players

so on a good team I'm great

on a bad team, I don't get much done

PythonInProgress

cool, anyhow, array still doesnt work. Pastebinning it

Almo

:(

I'll check after the game if you still having issues

first, name it something other than "a" hard to track in your code with a single letter name

PythonInProgress

i did

pastebin.com/6wHr6fE2

its blockArr

Almo

you column count is 10

you've intialized a 3x3 array

PythonInProgress

12:51 AM

oh damn

Almo

i think you need a 10x10 array

PythonInProgress

ok hold on ill fix

Almo

so initialize it with a 0-9 for loop of append([])

tkaing 5 min to load LoL should be a reportable offense

PythonInProgress

wow

pastebin.com/9jnjguee

Almo

1:35 AM

still not right

blockArr = []
for i in range(10): blockArr.append([])
for i in range(10): blockArr[i].append(i)

that should give you a 10x10 array like
[ [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9], [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9], [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9], [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9], [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9], [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9], [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9], [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9], [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9], [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9] ]

you are still not initializing a 10x10 array

what you're missing is some really basic stuff

if you want an array in python, it's []

a 2d array is an array of arrays

so you need [ [], [], ... ]

then those arrays need elements

[ [0, 1, 2, 3 ... ], [0, 1, 2, 3 ...], ... ]

then you can do blockArr[3][4]

what you had was a 5 x 10 array

@PythonInProgress I assumed you would work out that you needed to put in 10 [] to make 10 arrays to put 10 elements each into

I really recommend figuring this stuff out. it will make a lot of other Python stuff make more sense

PythonInProgress

2:50 AM

@Almo ik that i made a 5x10 array, thats what the variables are set to look for.

Almo

6:01 AM

@PythonInProgress Ok I missed that. So you had the right number of elements. Does it work now?

Blue

7:05 AM

Monday morning at work again.

Kevin van der Velden

Hey

And jup, mondays shivers

Blue

8:07 AM

@Almo taking 5 minutes to load ANY game should be a reportable offence :P

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

10:57 AM

HELLO MISTER @YELLOW

Blue

WHY MISTER @BILL

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

:D

My UI is looking splendid now. :D And I've made everything the right way. So I have a GameStyle for my buttons, but they still behave and work like regular buttons. And I have a special OutlinedTextBlock for my comic text look.

Combined I have nice looking buttons with the ability to have icons inside the buttons as well.

All in all, I'm very satisfied at the moment.

Blue

I'm very proud :P

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Next up I'm going to look and see if I can make it animated based on properties. So panels show and hide animated depending on whether they're enabled or not.

Blue

11:15 AM

Link?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

gws.legeria.net

That's just the current visual state. There's a bunch of code behind already working, like login, registration, logout and warcamp joining. It's just hidden while I work out some more.

Blue

What are you building this in?

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Silverlight at the moment.

Blue

Ah I see, that's where the style comes from

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

I would rather use HTML5 and JS, but I'm doing this as a simple thing that shouldn't take too much energy.

I'm finding it hard to find the energy to program lately because of school. I'm hoping this small project could spark some more energy.

Blue

11:18 AM

I SEE YOU @GAJOO!

http://threepanelsoul.com/comics/2013-04-15-273.png

<- this says it all

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Yup. :P

Bogdan Marginean

11:43 AM

morning guys :D

ToddersLegrande

Morning gang! :D

Happy Funday Monday! :D

Bogdan Marginean

it's holiday here, so I had no idea it was Monday lol

ToddersLegrande

Way to be :P

Bogdan Marginean

heh :D

ToddersLegrande

@William'MindWorX'Mariager looking good! But I have two points of criticism.

Bogdan Marginean

11:49 AM

I don't have silverlight on my machine :(

ToddersLegrande

1) The font is kind of difficult to read. I like it but I think its awful bold for the size or something.
2) No password reset option D:<

The font problem is kind of noticeable on the buttons but as soon as you open up the help screen my eyes just want to explode.

Bogdan Marginean

"my budget is $200 ,,, however I have received an offer from one of the contractors for about $150. He says he can do the job in almost 10 hours / $12 per hour."

lol what a lame attempt at getting a job done for free

and he ain't even hiding it

btw, do these oDesk posts of mine bore you? I can stop posting them if they do lol

ToddersLegrande

Some of them are good. Others are a waste of time (like this one to be honest)

I do enjoy the exceptionally stupid ones though

Bogdan Marginean

oh, so you like the stupid job postings

alright, will only post those

this one is pointless to be sincere

oh my GOD

if you ever need a "how to not" organize a UI example, open up a forum on indiedb

everything is so counter-intuitive it hurts

even the simple fact that you fill up data starting from left to right, and then you have to go back to the left extremity to press a button

but that wouldn't be a problem if there wasn't another button right where you stop entering data (to the right)

that does something completely DIFFERENT from what you need

so you just press that one because it would have made sense for it to be the one you'd want to press

I think there was a noob like me behind it

who can't even layouts

You have already added a board with the name of (Development Area). Please try a different name when adding a new board.

that one is in another forum category damnit

jesus, why would you hotlink them as /forum/development_area instead of /forum/category/development_area

ToddersLegrande

12:09 PM

lol

I'm having a hard time envisioning what you are saying honestly

I don't have an IndieDB account and don't plan on having one for the time being

Bogdan Marginean

I'll show a picture

ToddersLegrande

But I sympathize with and enjoy your frustration :P

Bogdan Marginean

clicking add category adds a new category (greenish box)

and when you add a new BOARD, you start writing stuff from the left, where the "Add board" button is located

but when you're done, your reflex might be to press the add category button

Gajoo

@Blue that's how I felt during the past week

Bogdan Marginean

the other rant was because all boards are in the same pool, regardless of the category they're in

so if you have a Category1/development area and a Category2/development area

they'll collide

ToddersLegrande

12:16 PM

@BogdanMarginean the UI is so bad I don't even know what I'm looking at :P

Bogdan Marginean

you should see the reply boxes

they allow BB codes, but also have a WYSIWYG editor

but they don't work well together

ToddersLegrande

fail

Bogdan Marginean

also for some reason, when pasting stuff in the box, ALL formatting goes away

ToddersLegrande

Including formatting that was already in the box?

Bogdan Marginean

yes

ToddersLegrande

12:18 PM

huh

So this would be like

Bogdan Marginean

there are also cases when you manually remove all formatting, but when you post the reply the formatting is still there

ToddersLegrande

I wrote a 7 page paper in Word. Had lots of formatting, bullets, headings, etc.

I paste something in

Bogdan Marginean

yup, exactly

ToddersLegrande

and all 7 pages get reformatted to plain text?

Bogdan Marginean

yeah

ToddersLegrande

12:18 PM

Dear god... :O

Bogdan Marginean

I write my posts in notepad first :))

never use the same reply box for previewing

formatting from the previous preview might affect the new one

I think they got their forum system done for $150 on oDesk

otherwise I can't explain the sloppiness

ToddersLegrande

lol

Bogdan Marginean

GTA 2 had the best radio stations

►

also, you can't delete threads or boards or categories

you can just hide them

probably so this doesn't mess up their X points per post achievement system

greenheartgames.com/2013/04/29/…

Title says it all: "What happens when pirates play a game development simulator and then go bankrupt because of piracy?"

ToddersLegrande

Well I'm glad that says it all because that link doesn't work for me :)

Bogdan Marginean

weird, it doesn't work for me now either

how about now: greenheartgames.com/2013/04/29/…

I think their site is down

nope, works now

ToddersLegrande

12:37 PM

No good

Bogdan Marginean

:( well in short every player was complaining that they were making 9/10 games and they'd soon go bankrupt because of piracy

and that's about it

Blue

@LegrandeTodder hugs

ToddersLegrande

@BogdanMarginean personally that sounds unrealistic for that to be a consistent problem

Bogdan Marginean

yes, I know

ToddersLegrande

BUT

If it was DRM put into the game, I'd love it :P

Bogdan Marginean

12:39 PM

though the devs were pretty happy with the experiment

ToddersLegrande

~~@Blue~~ @Green HEYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!! :D

More serious though... Why isn't anyone into eSports?!?! Dreamhack was awesome this weekend and I have no one to be excited with D:<

Blue

12:51 PM

I'm fucking excited!

ToddersLegrande

LIES

Blue

Naniwa vs Jaedong was a wee bit unexpected.

ToddersLegrande

So you aren't lying :D

Niniwa vs Jaedong was amazing

Blue

Nope, Although LCS took up my time quite a bit

ToddersLegrande

I'm honestly sick of watching Leenock win though

Good matches at least

Bogdan Marginean

12:53 PM

^ hitman dog finds no joy in his job

ToddersLegrande

awww

@Blue the fact that you watched some Dreamhack makes you an even better new best friend than before :P

Blue

@ToddersLegrande dawww you been missing some humble eSport bros?

ToddersLegrande

Haha yeaaaaaaaaah

Saturday night was pretty awesome though. My brother logs into SC2 after a really long hiatus and I'm like... "Whats up?" and he was all like... "Trying to quit LoL" and I'm like... <3

Blue

Bless. I've been showing a reddit friend how to do SC2, the basics and races. He instantly said after seeing what I was doing "So zerg are the easiest... right?"

Code Assassin

I bless thine chat with thine presence.

Blue

1:01 PM

"Oh Ben...." Slowly shakes head

@CodeAssassin tips hat

ToddersLegrande

@Blue you would think that with the number of pro zergs

Namely... the number of pro zergs that outplay the other two races

But I do know I've heard people say that the larva mechanics is easier than the other races. I can't grasp it as well though

Blue

@ToddersLegrande This I believe is because of the higher skill cap into Macro style gameplay - the more late game orrientated the race and emphasis on forcing this late game to happen is obvious in a lot of builds you see.

I love the larva mechanic for general unit comps, it is much easier to spawn larva than warp/queue building on structures.

Protoss I'd say are next easier on that side of things - with regards to Warp gate tech.

Bogdan Marginean

what fonts do you guys use when writing tech documents?

I really like liberation serif

looks serious enough, but also a bit artsy

ToddersLegrande

What's a tech document?

I really like the "Calibri" font Microsoft started going with in Office 2007

I use that for basically everything

Bogdan Marginean

I call tech documents any documents dealing with stuff that's written for and about technical details on projects

e.g. design documents

calibri looks cool too

I like the ubuntu font family too :D font.ubuntu.com

26 celsius outside

need some ice cream, pronto

Blue

1:20 PM

Damn I wish I had some ice cream now...

Code Assassin

^

Bogdan Marginean

well run and get some :D

Code Assassin

I WISH >_>

Mint Choco Chip Ice Cream Ftw >3

Bogdan Marginean

I just get whatever ice cream my neighbor's shop is selling

there's an interesting rule regarding the taste

let X be the average price; whatever is inside [X-20cents; X+20cents] sucks

whatever is outside the interval tastes awesome

even cheap ice cream

Code Assassin

o: interesting

Bogdan Marginean

1:23 PM

cheapest is around ~15 cents here

it's also the best lol

Code Assassin

._. srsly!? Hmmm what brand? I'll eat anything from Coldstone,to Haagen Dazs, to Ben & Jerry's

Bogdan Marginean

it's a local brand

most of them are anyway

actually I'm not even sure companies from outside the country are really popular when it comes to ice cream

all the leaders are romanian hmm

wish romanian clothing stores would be more popular

can only name a couple

nowadays, whoever wants to buy clothes, goes to Zara or whatever

thank god the ice cream is still ours <3

Code Assassin

1:40 PM

haha

Bogdan Marginean

I got a longcoat from some italian shop or whatever, but it's so not comfy and parts of it show bad sewing

next time I'll go on a trip to the romanian market and see what's for sale

I know for sure their leather clothes are highly resistant

one of the leading supermarket chains here in romania sells these things: thesweetroad.com/2011/07/24/mcennedy-american-way

it's always fun when a german maker makes american products

I've never been to the US but I'd probably bet there's nothing american in them whatsoever

Code Assassin

@BogdanMarginean Made In <anything-but-the-US>

Bogdan Marginean

yup

I'm currently baking a pizza from this McEnnedy dude

I bet it'll be amazing /sarcasm

Code Assassin

Lol

If you want real pizza try Digiornos

Not sure if it's in Romania though ;-;

Bogdan Marginean

it's by nestle so there might be a chance

I'll keep an eye out for it

Dr. Pepper isn't sold officially in Romania but you can find it in some supermarkets

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

1:54 PM

@ToddersLegrande Yeah, I noticed the font thing. I've been looking for a better font to use along with a better outline method.

Right now I'm using a shader, though I don't like the result.

The result is nice for the "Goblin Warcamp Survival" title text. But for the buttons it looks bad.

And I agree, the help box is really bad. :P

Bogdan Marginean

►

gotta love fallout

Code Assassin

2:07 PM

LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Hilarious

Who is this?

WHO IS THIS??? looooooooool

That voice

It sounds like N.O.V.A an FPS on the iPad :P

Bogdan Marginean

never played NOVA

but you, sir, should play Fallout 1 & 2 asap

fallout 2 is worth it just for this guy alone: youtube.com/watch?v=EkKkHmFOfKE

the enclave guy in the first video is also from fallout 2

it's more or less an easteregg

anyway I think my pizza's done

I can't wait to feel that american taste #yolo

ToddersLegrande

2:24 PM

mmmmmmmmmmmmmm pizza

Bogdan Marginean

2:49 PM

okay, I'm done

impressions: there's a bright side and a not so bright side of things

on the bright side of things, it was surprisingly tasty

on the not so bright side, it tasted like any other pizza in the supermarket

it didn't feel particularly special or american

so I think the people who made it put lies on the packaging

how very naughty of them

ToddersLegrande

lol

Kikaimaru

is there some open source matchmaking (lobby) protocol?

ToddersLegrande

Now I want pizza...

2

Bogdan Marginean

>:)

Blue

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