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What do you call it when you don't want to know whether a character lives or dies in a movie?
Anonymous
I used to call that spoiler
But knowing that some random guy possibly survives till the end is a pretty overanxious definition of spoilers. But granted, that attitude has indeed become rather prevalent on the internet lately. So I acknowledge that you might not even be the only one considering such a thing a serious spoiler.
Anonymous
A spoiler i mean
00:16
For @NapoleonWilson :)
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Q: Topic Challenge: The Hunger Games

Napoleon WilsonLast week saw the release of The Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Part 2, the conclusion of the Hunger Games series. So due to popular demand we're starting a topic challenge from 2015-11-25 00:00 UTC to 2015-12-06 23:00 UTC asking for any kind of question about the Hunger Games movies (conveniently ta...

@NapoleonWilson Oh good, I won't feel obligated to participate in the topic challenge this time :)
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Q: Movie, World War II, South Pacific theater, sniper, Japanese ship

Dale SchultzWorld War II Movie, South Pacific, lone American GI on an island with a Japanese ship nearby. The American tries to pick off the Japanese sailors one at a time. I thought Robert Wagner was the actor, but IMDB doesn't show he was in a movie with this description. Perhaps released in the late 50...

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Q: What's the title of this classis movie?

Dale Schultz1950's or early 1960's epic, classic motion picture about a battle for power among 2 Roman men of prestige. The cinematic climax has one or both falling a great way into a giant vat of liquid metal? or being preserved in a casing of metal? I was just a kid.

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Q: What did Katniss say at the very end of Mockingjay II?

Lee BrackerThe final words that Katniss Everdeen says to her newborn before the end credits included what I'm interested in knowing goes something like: "... why they came. Why they're here, and why they won't ever leave..." I wasn't certain what she was referring to, but if I have the actual words she sai...

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Q: Why do the movie posters show Katniss in red?

Paulster2We know from watching the movies that Cinna created the Mockingjay outfit in black. In the MJ2 movie posters, Katniss is most often shown as wearing deep red. Is there a significance to this? Was there anything put out in the press or online which tells us why they designed the posters this way? ...

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Q: Identifying a classic movie

deamentiaemundiIts already a long time ago but somebody answered "Pink with blue clouds" to a question regarding a paintjob and that reminded me of a line in an old movie from he 50s or 60s. I don't know if the exact line is "Pink with blue clouds" because I saw that film with German dubs where it said "rosa m...

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Q: Help me identify this film - child paralysis

AndreiI'm in search of a film a saw when I was a kid. From what I remember the film may be about a child who is paralyzed. I have in mind a scene where the parents(or doctors), in their despair are saying to the child(more times) something like this: "Tell your brain to tell your body to tell your ha...

02:20
@DrRDizzle I REALLY, REALLY, REALLY want to trust your judgment on a movie :)
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Q: Is it appropriate for a groom to walk the bride down the aisle?

sanpacoI just started rewatching What Dreams May Come and noticed at the beginning where Chris and Annie are getting married, he is walking with her down the aisle in what is apparently a Catholic church. Whether it is actually Catholic or not is not necessarily important, rather that they are obviously...

 
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Q: Please identify Canadian Short Film - Family living in Igloo short on food

Mike SowsunCanadian short movie/film, about 10-15 mins. It is about a family in the Arctic that live in their Igloo and are quickly running out of food because there just isn't anything to hunt for some reason. The female daughter decides to go out looking for food, and decides to cross a marking and go bey...

 
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Q: This Is No 1 Solution Of all Exam Test Guaranteed Success

jesicatheceI simply spent this cash should give it a CD forty minutes after the fact after runningSpinRite on level 2 I had the whole circle back didn't lose a solitary attractive piece well there were a couple of ahead of schedule areas reported as mostly recouped so presumably lost some 70-243 Practice e...

 
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@steelerfan I might, i want to complete that franchise, even when i had issue with that. I liked it more then HP and Twilight till now.
@steelerfan I don't :D
@AnkitSharma OH MY GOD
07:55
Is it just a teaser?
I mean, i expected more from trailer
08:21
@AnkitSharma Well they aren't going to spell out the entire plot. First trailers are often just used to given an indication of what it will be about, who is in it and set the general tone.
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Q: Movie with wrist watches that brought people back to life

RadstaI remember seeing a movie when I was a kid about high tech wrist watches that when wore, if the user would get himself killed, it would revive him. Other details: - the guy got the watches from a friend who died; - after each use the watch became useless; - there were about 6-7 watches in total;...

09:25
@DrRDizzle Yeah i know but i can expect too much of bucky from this trailer
And i don't like him yet
@AnkitSharma Well from what I can see, it is still very much a Captain America film - he still seems to be the main character, and I like that. But Bucky is a character whose ties to the other characters we know in the MCU is complex, and I'm looking forward to seeing how that plays out.
@DrRDizzle I expected civil war, means importance to both sides but i will say nothing till next larger trailer
@AnkitSharma Well what they are fighting for is important to both sides. Tony is watching Steve (the man who Tony's father idolised) take the side of the man who killed his parents. That must hurt, a lot.
Till now i can't relate with the buildup
Will watch it for sure but i am still not positive this time
@AnkitSharma I really liked the part where Iron Man was like "Do you bleed? You will."
09:34
@DrRDizzle I watched it in too hurry, missed most of dialogue. Currently in office, will watch it at home tonight
Anyways did you watched legend of tomorrow trailer?
@AnkitSharma Ha, no.
Ok
I loved it but it need arrowverse knowledge to understand it.
And it mentioned superman and batman very well
@AnkitSharma It was a joke, I was making fun of the stupid dialogue in the Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice trailer.
@DrRDizzle there you goes wrong again. That dialogue was good.
I loved all those meme fun but i had no problem with that dialogue
@AnkitSharma It really, really wasn't. It's a dumb line, it doesn't make sense within the context of what we know about Superman, it isn't the kind of thing Batman is likely to say and it is an awful way to start what should be a great friendship between two people.
09:43
@DrRDizzle I will say the statement is more dumb then that dialogue
What you even expected them to say?
They are going to be friend later, so they can't say that dialogue is the weirdest excuse to hate a dialogue
@AnkitSharma I wouldn't have made them fight this early on. I'd have built them up as allies first - that's why their fight in The Dark Knight Returns actually works, because their preexisting relationship means that it matters.
that sound more repetitive

I will opt for enemy turned friend more then friend turned enemy turned friend
@AnkitSharma But the whole reason that I'm psyched for Captain America: Civil War is that I am invested in these characters and their relationships with each other thanks to the fact that I have seen them as friends and team mates before. A natural consequence of that is that any fights between them will have impact that the ones between two strangers will not.
Old days are back , i don't know @NapoleonWilson get annoyed more with DC vs marvel or owl gif's
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@AnkitSharma That's Leland Owlsley.
 
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11:34
@AnkitSharma Maybe more from the repeated attitude of talking down movies that aren't released yet for reasons not grounded in any actual knowledge at all rather than assumed storylines and character portrayals based on negligible dialogue snippets.
@NapoleonWilson But we know a lot about what will actually happen in Captain America: Civil War even if we don't know the details.
12:10
Sure.
12:54
@DrRDizzle maybe in season 2 or 3 but i know this way before.
All hail to Emergency awesome, i follow it and they show every Easter egg possible
@NapoleonWilson fair enough. I was on more defense then offence but still i will take your word.
@AnkitSharma What?
The Owl (Leland Owlsley) is a fictional supervillain appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics, usually as an enemy of the superheroes Daredevil, Spider-Man and Black Cat. Created by writer Stan Lee and artist Joe Orlando, the character first appeared in Daredevil #3 (August 1964). The character has appeared in numerous media adaptations, including the Netflix web television series Daredevil, in which he is played by Bob Gunton. == Publication historyEdit == The character first appeared in Daredevil #3 (August 1964). He was a recurring foe of Daredevil during the 1960s and 1970s...
I mean full fledged owl version
@AnkitSharma He dead though.
13:15
@DrRDizzle In MCU, nobody die for real :D
13:31
@AnkitSharma Well, it was less directed at you anyway, so... ;-)
13:42
@AnkitSharma I'm pretty sure the Russian who had his head removed by a car door is staying dead.
@NapoleonWilson But we do know quite a lot about both films.
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Q: Movie about blonde to sorority

sidewinder2203Us teen girl is misbehaving and was sent to boarding school in the UK. She hated at first and being rebelious

14:56
@DrRDizzle who care for them either.
But owl can be useful
@AnkitSharma Well Fisk dropped him down an elevator shaft, so I doubt he's coming back. Then again, I have no idea how high up they were meant to be, so...
Anyway, there clearly hasn't been enough discussion about the Captain America: Civil War trailer yet. Did you guys spot Ant-Man?
I am lazy, will wait for Emergency Awesome
They mostly spot everything
@AnkitSharma So you haven't seen him?
I spotted Scarlet Witch flying.
I am still in office :(
15:06
that's all I needed
Will watch later
@AnkitSharma Wait, have you not seen the trailer at all yet then???
@MikeEdenfield I spotted her in video thumbnail :D
@MikeEdenfield Yeah, that glimpse was awesome, with the red trails coming from her hands(?).
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Q: Is Michael Corleone against his father's business?

JamesIn the Wikipedia article about Michael we have: Unlike his two older brothers, Michael shuns the Corleone "family business" In the first movie of The Godfather trilogy, the first talk of Michael Corleone is ambiguous in defining if he is against his family's business, because he talks about...

15:07
@DrRDizzle I have but with near to zero concentration
Work.
@AnkitSharma Wow, I learned it had been posted online before work this morning and jumped out of bed to watch it on my PC rather than mobile. I was so excited.
I watched it on friends phone and i avoid watching videos in office
you know that rushing to watch the trailer won't make the movie come out any quicker.
@MikeEdenfield well said
Why the fuck, i am getting chat notification when i am actively talking in chat.
@MikeEdenfield In case you don't realise, I could be described as somewhat partial to both the MCU and the Captain America films.
15:23
@DrRDizzle boooo.....we all know
You are marvel fanboy
^ spot dizzle to get attracted prizes in above picture
It's amazing how mad actual fanboys (in this instance, those of the DC variety) get mad when you dare question something they like.
It's not my fault that Man of Steel is an objectively bad film, but for pointing that out some people think that I've dedicated my life to a rival company. Why?
@AnkitSharma It's almost like we've had multiple films exploring the characters in the MCU and setting up logical reasons why they might fight - which isn't true in Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice.
@AnkitSharma As far this, I like Supergirl and The Dark Knight as well as Jessica Jones and The Avengers, so...
@AnkitSharma Also, tone isn't an indicator of quality. Stupid people might think it is, but just because someone likes one light-hearted thing doesn't mean that they have to like all light-hearted things.
Again contradicted statement with random statement as proofs
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Q: Korean Or Japanese movie that I forgot the name. Details in description. (+18 warning)

Hariko KotaiHere is briefly what I rememeber: A husband and a wife were living together. They had sex and all. For example, there was one time where he used his shirt to hold her hand while doing. However, I forgot why but they started quarreling. She got abused as well. One day, he called his gang (wearing...

C u later alligator :p
@AnkitSharma I have no idea what you are talking about. What have I just said that is contradictory?
15:57
@DrRDizzle because you also hate Flash, which is objectively an awesome show
16:07
@MikeEdenfield I hate the pilot of The Flash, with is quantifiably bad. I haven't seen anything else from it yet.
@AnkitSharma I really have no desire to watch Hunger games. I catch hell about it all of the time.
@DrRDizzle Did you do a review of"Legend"?
@steelerfan I did, I have a link around here somewhere.
@DrRDizzle Oh, I have read this before. Sorry, I forgot. I thought it was a great review. I still can't wait to see the movie.
16:25
@steelerfan Honestly, it's worth it for Hardy's performance. But it isn't as good as it could have been, I don't think.
@DrRDizzle I adore Tom Hardy. I will see anything he is in. I can't wait for the one with Hardy and DiCaprio.
@steelerfan The Revenant? Yeah, looks good. I'm a pretty big Hardy fan myself, ever since Inception.
@DrRDizzle Yeah. Hugh Glass was the ultimate survivor. Awesome story. So glad they are making it into a movie!!
@steelerfan I presume it's an American thing, I don't know anything about it. I'm more interested in seeing the director of Birdman or (The Unexpected Virtue of Ignorance) taking on a film a bit less... self-involved.
@DrRDizzle Probably just an American thing. Trust me in saying that Hugh Glass was the ultimate bad ass.
16:33
isn't Hugh Glass one of Bart Simpson's fake prank call names?
@MikeEdenfield Ha! No idea. I thought one of them was Mike something......
@steelerfan I can't see The Simpsons getting away with Mike Hunt to be honest.
I'm trying to decide if I should delete that. I mean, is that offensive? Is it likely to be flagged? I wouldn't risk it in Mos Eisley.
@DrRDizzle Holy crap!!! I didn't mean THAT one!!! I honestly thought that Bart used the name Mike for a prank call!!
@DrRDizzle Very unlikely. Doesn't seem offensive at all.
@NapoleonWilson That's OK then.
16:38
@DrRDizzle Lol! Haven't heard that one in a while, though.
Oh, I saw The Hunger Games: Mockingjay - Part 2 last night by the way everyone. It was pretty good, I'll be putting up a review tonight hopefully.
@DrRDizzle Well, I guess Stack is going to miss out on Seahawks tickets. I wish there was another way I could contact him :(
@NapoleonWilson @AnkitSharma You guys want to fly to the States to see Seahawks/Steelers game? ;)
16:58
@steelerfan Well, I have a major family event this weekend and some major work event next wednesday (+preparation the days before). Otherwise I'd definitely say yes to that offer (provided the offer includes game and plane tickets, of course).
@NapoleonWilson Sure, I would pay for your plane ticket for you to watch a football game with me :)
@NapoleonWilson Too late anyways, my brother in law already got rid of them. I now have to go with his friends since he and my sister can't go now :(
@steelerfan Maybe we could also half the plane ticket price. But alas, as said it already fails due to other important appointments. :'(
@steelerfan Oh, sorry to hear that. Is it the neighbour that you already watched "Skyfall" with? ;-P
@NapoleonWilson No, friends my brother in law works with. I have never met them before.
I would SERIOUSLY be annoyed if it was that guy. I could only stand to be around him for 20 minutes tops.
@steelerfan i don't have passport yet and not a sports fan
@AnkitSharma Well, too late anyways. Tickets are gone. I am going with my brother in law friends from work. I have never met them before. God help me.
@steelerfan on the good note, peace has been set with me and that colleague i mentioned before.
@steelerfan meeting with stranger can be fun sometime.
@AnkitSharma Oh good. Did you set him straight?
@AnkitSharma Sure. I'm going to be with all men now, though. I just wish my sister was going.
@steelerfan Its peace treaty. But i am not sure how many days long it will remain ;D
We were friends but then i realized he is an a-hole and i am stuck working with him
17:51
@AnkitSharma Ha! Peace treaty. Nice!
You might wana participate in TOW then.
Its coming Friday here, want to go but have no company yet
That happened to me with an ex. We were dating, then I realized he was an a-hole. I wasn't stuck having to see him every day though :)
Hmmmmm....
@steelerfan by the time I realized my ex was an a-hole we owned a house together that neither of us can afford to move out of.
conclusion: people are a-holes
18:14
@MikeEdenfield Sell house, divide profits, burn bed.
@steelerfan Still here?
@Axelrod house is currently underwater and in need of repair
otherwise, that's my plan
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Q: Help identify an old sci fi

Roop298I was a young teenager in the 80's. I watched a movie where a guy could see people weren't people when he wore (special) glasses. At the end they got him and you got a view through his glasses (of what he saw) when they got knocked off. Now I know I was a young and impressional child but the fi...

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Q: Movie about a guy who stays at a family lying about know their dead soldier son

Pentagon98So here's what i remember: The movie's about a guy,who took part in some government experiments,and now he's a killing machine He arries at a family's house,and says he knew their son in the military He helps the family's son and his sister The sister calls the military and finds out that he's ...

@MikeEdenfield What state are you in, again?
Ohhh boy
18:28
Miami,....exciting
Ahhhhh, nothing like being a contractor on the day before a national holiday, all your coworkers get to leave early, and you can too if you don't mind losing the hours from your paycheck.
@MattD Does your agency at least give you holiday pay?
18:47
Eh?
@Axelrod Pffffft. Nope. They can, but I opted for no holiday pay in exchange for a higher hourly rate.
@MattD Mine gave me no choice. Things are going to get hairy when my site closes down the last two weeks of next month.
Still, better than unemployment, eh?
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Q: Ok its a vague one: HBO latino sci-fi movie probably late 90's or early 2000's

rayhansenhere goes a very vague one, I hope someone can recognize this movie. It was shown on HBO, or maybe Cinecanal latino on late 90's or early 2000's. I got it by the middle, so i didn't get the plot very well. It was a sci-fi movie about a group of space travelers (all young, around 20-30 years old),...

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@Axelrod Pretty much. Normally I'd leave when everyone else does because I make good money here, but with a two week trip to China for my brother-in-law's wedding, where I also proposed to my now wife, which lead to me taking a week off for the wedding plus the expense of the wedding, all in this year, kiiiiinda feeling I should stay and get as many hours as possible during the holidays.
Have you considered going direct hire?
@Axelrod Currently looking into a few opportunities elsewhere, but I would like to go direct here. Problem is most of what comes open is for management and/or business analyst, but I don't want those jobs. I want to write code, period. I'm an IT guy, not a, "Run these reports and handle this crap while occasionally writing code," guy.
I've come to rather like contract work, though. Should you get cut or want to leave it's easier to explain to future employers, but the biggest benefit is better work/life balance. Salary jobs usually viewed me as, "Ooooo, free overtime!" Contract gigs want me to stop as soon as I hit 40 hours on the week or else they have to pay me 1.5x my rate, so no overtime and no after hours/weekends unless they're factored into my 40.
Also lets me hop around and work on things I'd like to rather than things I have to, and it usually pays more. This gig netted me an $18k pay raise over my last gig, and one of the gigs (that would be 6 month contract to hire) would net me a further $13k/year for the short contract period.
$31k in pay raises over a span of 2 years. No way in hell you'd see that in a salaried gig.
You know, should this other gig work out, point is that it's possible.
If you go for direct hires, you can get that by hopping from one business to another.
IE, in the defense industry, Northrop will pay ~60K for entry level, Boeing ~70 for one year experience, GA ~80 for 1.5, and Northrop then goes up to ~90 for 2.
They're all on different clocks.
But of course that all pales compared to private if you can snag a good one.
Defense caps out around 150, private has no upper bound depending on company culture.
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Yeah, the problem with hopping perm gigs is that some of the "old dog" hiring managers view that as a problem. They see it as you're not willing to commit, or that there may be a larger problem with you that you're trying to hide. Doing so with contract work, which is more volatile? Not as big a deal to them.
In IT it's a bit easier to get away with as I can write it off as I want to work on newer/different stuff, but that can also run the risk with older management of making it look like you'll cut and run if you get bored.
The truth is I simply don't trust a lot of companies nowadays, who demand loyalty while showing little to none in return. Standardized pay raises through "performance reviews", trying to do way more with way less in terms of man power and hours, yet if you don't show them loyalty, you're the one with the problem.
Being a contractor lets me better pick and choose where I want to go, what I work on, and if I have to cut and run it's far easier to explain. Throw in typically higher pay rates, and the fact I don't get paid time off isn't a huge deal to me as I don't usually take much time off during the year to start with.
I also no longer work on promises. "Come in and do this for us then we'll let you do this," or, "Yeah it's older tech, but we're planning to move to the newer, better stuff in 12 to 18 months," doesn't mean squat to me anymore. Made a move for more money and higher pay that promised to let me get into development work after 12 to 18 months of support work, and a year in they bought software that did 95% of what they wanted so my opportunities vanished in a single town hall meeting.
I literally just passed on a permanent gig because I'd have to support their existing code base, written in a very niche language I'd never heard of before, while also helping them build out their new platform, which would also include writing desktop apps, something I'm also not keen to doing. Apparently really disappointed the hiring manager on that one.
See, I totally want desktop apps. That's where the easy money is, but there seem to be very few providers.
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@Axelrod I just haven't touched them, but I also don't really want to touch them.
With web you just design for the browser, rarely the hardware.
There's not a lot of difference, except of course most things default to clientside.
Hardware specifics tend to only come in on embedded and video games.
20:10
@DrRDizzle You really need to understand how film works before calling MOS "objectively" bad.
@DanielStowers I understand how films work, which is why I can say that Man of Steel is objectively bad with confidence.
@DanielStowers I'm not saying you aren't allowed to like it.
@DrRDizzle Air your greivances with it, in the Festivus tradition
@Axelrod I have no idea what that is.
It doesn't matter. Just tell me what your issues with Man Of Steel are, since I'm too lazy to go through the transcript.
@Axelrod This could literally take all day, and I'm writing a Jessica Jones review right now, so I'll give you the TL;DR version.
1) Grit as a replacement for depth. The Nolan films made sure that the grit contained within them had valid thematic reasons to be there, whereas Man of Steel was posturing, acting as if it had depth while containing none.
20:23
@Axelrod Probably the same reasons all the other internet people complain about it, i.e. "evil Superman makes Metropolis broken", "evil Zack Synader no likes color", ... ;-)
Clearly people have never been to the inner city.
And the collateral sucked, but that's kind of what happens. At least he gave a crap about it.
As for the grit thing... I don't know. Different experiences.
2) Cognitive dissonance. What Man of Steel said and what it did were two very different things. Long speeches about hope and heroism were met with characters doing the exact opposite while the film attempted to pass their actions off as meeting the themes indicated by the speeches. Part of this is due to point 3, which is;
3) A deep misunderstanding of what Superman means. Snyder and co took a character whose entire point is his infallibility and inability to do wrong, and tried to make him flawed. They did this by turning Clark Kent into someone who isn't Clark Kent - he let his father die for no reason and wasn't concerned about collateral damage at any point in the film. They also gave him 'attitude', not understanding that...
Superman can't serve as a counter-point and inspiration to other superheroes if he is exactly like them. He cannot be held up as a good example without actually being a good example.
In addition to those 3 points, I also think that Snyder is a director more focused on visuals than he is telling a good story, and I think that shows in most of his work, but particularly here.
And at a surface level, the Metropolis fight scene last way too long, was visually boring and didn't gel with what people (myself included) expect from a Superman film.
He let his father die because his father told him to. Anything less would have endangered everything. And he started caring, which is kind of the point. He was always the man of steel, but he only became Superman at the end when defending the innocent became more important than his own desires.
Pff, very nice and entertaining film nevertheless. And sometimes people tend to overemphasize story in what is and has always been an audiovisual medium anyway.
@DrRDizzle You said it's objectively bad. That's the bit that's wrong. If you can't understand that ... do you own a dictionary?
20:40
@NapoleonWilson Film making is a story-telling medium first and foremost.
Pff, sure.
@DanielStowers By the criteria I am choosing to judge it against, it is objectively bad.
@Axelrod But in-universe, he so easily could have saved his father, or gone to save the dog instead of him, thus avoiding putting his father in harms way in the first place. And we never see the version of Superman you describe here in Man of Steel - "when defending the innocent became more important than his own desires".
@DrRDizzle But your standard is subjective.
20:42
So choose other criteria then. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Also, hi everyone.
@NapoleonWilson Ok. If I was judging it as a visual effects reel, it would be pretty great. But I'm not, because as George Lucas has proved, visual effects do not a film make.
@DrRDizzle When he killed Zod, it was to defend the family.
@DrRDizzle Sure, but neither does a good story. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (Neither is an audiovisual experience just about effects alone anyway.)
He wanted Zod to live. He wanted to not be alone.
He chose to save the innocent instead.
20:44
@NapoleonWilson ...what?
@DrRDizzle You don't have to chose other criteria, of course. That's your good right. But you do have a tendency to pose your however well-reasoned personal opinion as objective fact. which just doesn't work.
@DrRDizzle Alone, of course. Because out of that story you, uh, still have to make a, well, a film actually.
@NapoleonWilson It works for me. And I when asked about films in this way, I do try to distance my opinion (which is subjective) from a more objective analysis of the film. It's not always 100% possible, but I try.
@DrRDizzle Yeah, with statements like "objectively bad" it obviously isn't. ;-)
@NapoleonWilson Which is why I've explained my thought process as clearly as possible, with 2/3 of the main criticisms being me showing why the film is dishonest about the way it presents itself - that's as close to a fact as you can get.
20:49
Right. What's your address? I'm sending you a dictionary.
@DanielStowers It's 123 Fake Street.
And a box set of Pauly Shore films. You need some attitude adjustment.
@DanielStowers Send one to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue too.
They need it.
You're like all those IMDb people who COULD have a good rant, except they decide to throw in Worst Movie Ever and then no one listens to them. If you didn't use the phrase "objectively bad", the rest of your argumentation would be fine.
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Also. The definition of objective - "not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts". That's exactly what I am trying to do here - analysing things about the film an explaining why they don't work.
Which isn't the same as saying why I don't like it.
20:52
A movie like MOS cannot under ANY circumstances be called "objectively bad." You're misusing the phrase.
@DrRDizzle A movie about a perfect, infallible character who can't be wrong and never is would be the most boring movie ever. It would be like a movie about the Abrahamic god - no one wants to watch someone being perfect and never facing a significant challenge.
You can call MOS bad, and make all the claims you do from YOUR point of view, in YOUR opinion. But not use the objective argument.
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Also, Superman has repeatedly criticized Batman for refusing to kill people.
@WadCheber Like, say, the character of Captain America?
@WadCheber I have no issue with Superman killing Zod. If anything, I'm annoyed he didn't do it sooner.
@DrRDizzle He makes mistakes and can be beaten.
20:55
Case in point: Snyder was merely tapped to direct MOS, not write it. They specifically tapped him for the job as he would just direct the film and not try to get too creative with it beyond the scope of the script. WB just needed a film to be pushed out because of various litigation matters that were going on with the Superman franchise at the time (which have since been resolved).
TL;DR: Snyder was hired to get shit done, and not be smart about it.
@WadCheber He makes physical mistakes, but morally he's bang on the money.
@WadCheber For what it's worth, a movie about the Abrahamic god would give the impression that He is bipolar.
@MattD And that shows.
Batman is morally superior to Superman in many instances.
@DrRDizzle He's about to start a civil war.
20:57
@WadCheber He's about to be involved in a civil war, I think that Iron Man will be the instigator, not Cap.
@DrRDizzle My point is that putting any blame on Snyder is largely unjustified. More to that point, WB back was up against a wall and it was either put something out or lose rights to the franchise. Given that I feel they put out something far better than I expected it to be, given the circumstances.
@WadCheber Why do they look identical? Are they lampshading the early 90s animation?
@Axelrod I dunno.
@WadCheber Also, isn't this from alternative universe? The fighting game one?
@MattD And they say that Warner Bros are "the directors studio" lol.
@DrRDizzle It's happened many times.
20:59
Captain America is a boring character. Superman, in the golden age, was a boring character.
Adding flaws to characters gives them depth. Superman got his, Cap hasn't.
And with the crap he goes through, you should expect Cap to be an alcoholic by the end of Civil War.
@Axelrod Captain America is not a boring character at all.
@Axelrod This
@DrRDizzle They usually are, but not when losing one of the biggest superhero franchises in the world is on the line because the heirs of the creators simply want more money and are being giant dicks about things.
21:00
@Axelrod Wow, that is such a reductive argument.
@DrRDizzle He absolutely is.
Flaws are what make characters interesting.
@WadCheber I don't understand why you are posting these, they are all from a alternate universe that exists to show what happens when Superman goes too far.
@DrRDizzle And yet one of the biggest arguments I hear about why Superman is seen as a bad character is because he's completely unrelatable.
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@DrRDizzle Dude, everything in comics eventually becomes some kind of alternative universe.
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@DrRDizzle Because posting the World of Cardboard speech several times loses meaning.
Look at the last Reeve movie - an alien unilaterally decides that humans can't have the only weapons that might work against him.
He becomes a tyrant.
21:02
@MattD That's more to do with his power set and general invulnerability (and some writers inabilities to create stakes that aren't based around character death) than it is his personality.
And it is painted in shades of the most absurd adulation imaginable.
This is superman in the vein of the golden era. The best he can do is show that he's struggling to keep it all together.
@Axelrod That scene was so bad ass.
MoS managed to make the most boring, one dimensional superhero ever into something interesting and somewhat human.
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@MattD I agree. That's superman to me, and you'd totally assume he had a lot of struggling and character development in his childhood.
21:04
I really wish Warner Animation would get back to doing animated shows. I'd say work with Adult Swim at this point and feed the crowd that made them big in the 90s and early 2000s, since Cartoon Network doesn't seem to want to get the job done anymore.
@WadCheber I find it easier to relate with someone just wanting to good in anyway he can than I do with someone struggling with the weight of thousands of deaths on his shoulders, but you do you.
Captain America asks you to assume that a random invalid would become a moral paragon if he was given borderline superhuman ability.
A child who can hear and see everything against his will is an inherently tormented child.
@DrRDizzle The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
@WadCheber Well it does explain why the Kents didn't have a kid.
"Which is better: to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great struggle?"
21:05
MOM, DAD?! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!
Paarthurnax is right!
To me, the biggest issue with MoS is the pacing. The story is too jagged and transitions from one moment to the next rather poorly, which detracts from the more human and character building moments.
Accepting that you are essentially a god is traumatic - how do you use that power without becoming a tyrant or a megalomaniac, either through inaction, error, or deliberate intent? This was the first movie to depict the truth of Superman's struggle with his omnipotence. It couldn't have been done without Watchmen coming before it.
The alternative to Superman as seen in MoS is Dr. Manhattan as seen in Watchmen.
@WadCheber Who was a big, floppy blue dick.
Kills his only remaining friend, then sobs over it instead of bringing him back.
@WadCheber Exactly, which is why a buddy of mine who hated Superman before seeing MoS found Dr. Manhattan to be so much better because he's so much more realistic. If you can do literally anything, essentially a god among men, why would you care about the struggles of beings lesser than you?
You either do your best and accept collateral damage or you become so disinterested that you don't see a difference between life and annihilation.
21:09
Oh, I wrote a breakdown of the *Captain America: Civil War trailer if anyone wants to read it.
@MattD Exactly exactly.
Superman's powers make him a tyrant. He can either embrace that and be awful, or fight against it and try to be the best tyrant possible.
I really need to read Red Son at some point.
Superman: Red Son is a three-issue prestige format comic book mini-series published by DC Comics that was released under their Elseworlds imprint in 2003. Author Mark Millar created the comic with the premise "what if Superman had been raised in the Soviet Union?" It received critical acclaim and was nominated for the 2004 Eisner Award for best limited series. The story mixes alternate versions of DC super-heroes with alternate-reality versions of real political figures such as Joseph Stalin and John F. Kennedy. The series spans approximately 1953-2001, save for a futuristic epilogue. In Red Son...
@DrRDizzle Because the first one I posted was the third part, and needed context.
@MattD It's good. THAT is a proper look at Superman as a character - with the same personality but slightly different circumstances, what does he look like?
Just watched the Captain America: Civil War trailer. I really liked Winter Soldier, so I'm totally down for this.
21:17
@AnkitSharma Nice.
@MattD Yeah, me too.
Looks like 2016 will be a better year for superhero movies.
Deadpool, Batman vs. Superman: Dawn of Justice, Captain America: Civil War, X-Men: Apocolypse, Suicide Squad. Also possibles for Gambit and Doctor Strange, which so far haven't shown anything if I'm not mistaken.
@MattD I'm excited for four of those. Guess which ones.
@DrRDizzle Of the ones that are for sure coming out?
@MattD All the ones listed other than Gambit are for sure coming out.
Doctor Strange has only just begun filming, so until stuff comes out fully confirming the November 2016 release date, it's not 100% guaranteed.
21:28
The only one in that list I'm iffy on is probably Suicide Squad, only because I'm hopeful that Age of Apocolypse will continue the X-Men movie recovery.
@MattD It started filming a few weeks ago actually, no one knows why the press release says otherwise.
So, of them, I'd say you're least/not stoked for Batman vs. Superman, though I'd also be willing to admit that's the "obvious" choice given today's conversation.
Dafuq's Gambit and Dr. Strange even supposed to be? The other things look interesting, even if Deadpool maybe the least.
Doctor Strange may be the one I'm most excited about.
it's about Doctor Strange, obviously
@DrRDizzle I know, I double checked on Wikipedia before saying anything. Saying filming only just began is still valid since it's literally only been filming for 21 days.
21:30
@MattD Any other guesses?
@NapoleonWilson Gambit is the x-men character who turns things into energy bombs.
@DrRDizzle Off-hand guess? X-Men.
The poster boy for poorly used superpowers.
@Axelrod Isn't that some minor character from X-men Origins: Wolverine that the internet made a total fuss about for no apparent reason?
@NapoleonWilson Gambit is a very popular character.
21:32
@NapoleonWilson Yes, but he plays a bigger or smaller role in other things.
@MattD The ones I am excited for are (in release date order) Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice, Captain America: Civil War, Doctor Strange and Suicide Squad. I couldn't give a shit about Deadpool, X-Men: Apocolypse or Gambit if I tried.
His power is awesome, he's fairly suave depending on the setting, and in most of them he is what women consider "sexy", apparently.
@DrRDizzle So would it be safe to assume you haven't cared for either of the two most recent X-Men films?
@MattD I liked X-Men: First Class a lot, but I'm not a fan of X-Men: Days of Future Past so much.
@DrRDizzle You're entitled to your opinion, just know that you've lost any respect I may have had for it.
21:33
I'm way more excited for Deadpool than and X-Men movie, or Suicide Squad
@MattD It was in general an OK film with one really good scene - and that scene only existed so that Fox could use Quicksilver before Marvel Studios could.
@DrRDizzle Whatever you say.
Naturally I'm most stoked for BvS and Suicide Squad, both about equally.
@MattD I done a review when it first came out here, but I'll admit right now that my writing wasn't as strong then as it is now, and I as also a lot easier on films back then out of inexperience.
@DrRDizzle Why does the fact you were easier on films matter? Could it also be the fact that maybe you've become too hard on films?
@MattD Because in retrospect, I didn't like X-Men: Days of Future Past as much as that review would indicate.
@MattD And as I wrote more my ability to analyse and criticise films got better, and I saw issues that before I couldn't express.
21:39
For me, the fact that I was facing yet another sequel to a Matthew Vaughn film that was not also directed by Matthew Vaughn, and instead by the guy who I felt ruined any shot Superman had at being in film for quite some time, yet I came away pretty floored by what I saw, and felt there wasn't any such thing as a Vaughn Curse on franchises.
The one prior to that was Kick-Ass 2, which sucked in just about every way possible.
@MattD Oh god, Kick-Ass 2 was like dying but more painful.
@DrRDizzle Indeed. I wanted to die while watching it.
@MattD One of the most harmful experiences I've ever had.
Vaughn is sort of becoming like this Wes Anderson of superhero and action films. His style is so simple, and yet no one else really seems to be able to properly capture or imitate it effectively.
Though Edgar Wright might be a better comparison.
@DrRDizzle If that's what experience does, you can keep it.
21:42
@NapoleonWilson It also means that I genuinely appreciate good films to a higher degree than I did before.
@DrRDizzle Do you?
@MattD Wright is one of my favourite directors.
22:07
For anyone interested, here's a list of Amazon's Black Friday lightening deals for Thursday and Friday: blu-ray.com/news/?id=18023
List should be updated as details about the remaining days come through.
Also, I sort of hate how much of a movie person, or more in general, a geek I am when it comes to the holidays lately.
@MattD Why?
@MattD Do you know if there is a UK version of this list?
@DrRDizzle Seeing that the UK doesn't have a holiday at all (or has it?), I'd seriously doubt that. But reasonable question, of course.
@NapoleonWilson We still get the sales.
22:32
> Tell me, do you bleed?
> I ain't got time to bleed.
@NapoleonWilson Good thing bleeding is a free action.
how did mos eisley get a question from the M&TV feed before this room did?
the feed bot confuses me
@MikeEdenfield Because the feed bots just aren't synchronized?
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Q: Why was Ant-Man excluded from the Civil War trailer?

cdeHas there been any official word on why Ant-Man, who we know from promotional images and the Ant-Man stinger sequel hook to be involved in Captain America- Civil War, was excluded from the recently released trailer for Civil War? Everyone else, even minor characters like Clint/Hawkeye were in it,...

22:48
Star Wars: The Force Awakens is officially rated PG-13.
No one that is unable to see the subjective nature of film should be writing reviews.
Maybe it's something that comes with age and maturity.
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