Discussion for Evolution of "Hello World"

FireFly

01:40

@user23013 damn you! :P

eight seconds. And due to the semicolon I couldn't derive my answer from yours

user23013

@FireFly I have edited my answer so you can derive now.

FireFly

Oh, thank you

user23013

It's distance 6. One semicolon is already there.

FireFly

Oh, right, I removed the trailing ~ instead but forgot to mention that

Tracy Cramer

02:53

Is there somewhere to get a quick 10 points so one can answer this question? I have two accounts - one work and one personal. I came to this site first with personal and so only have one point. Had I come here with the work account I'd have 101 due to my point total on SO.

Calvin's Hobbies

Cant you just log in with your work account then?

And sign it up to PPCG as well.

Actually that wouldn't matter. I can unprotect the question for a bit.

Calvin's Hobbies

07:34

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Q: ASCII's 95 Characters...95 Movie Quotes

In 2005 the American Film Institute (AFI) produced a list of the top 100 quotes in American cinema (official). This code snippet compactly lists them exactly as they must be used in this challenge. <ol style='font-family:monospace;'><li>"Frank...

Martin Büttner

08:31

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A: Answer-dependent questions

I would really like to make this challenge type work. (Full disclosure: partly because I seem to have come up with with a fairly popular challenge idea based on it.) But I do see a lot of problems. Answers on SE have no inherent order, and forcing one onto them just feels odd. In the case of a ...

Flonk

Good morning :)

Martin Büttner

morning!

Sp3000

08:58

Wow there goes space and BF already

Beta Decay

09:11

When reviewing posts, when it says This post has been flagged for its length and quality, has it been flagged by a person or automatically?

Martin Büttner

I've always wondered about that. I think both can happen.

Beta Decay

Ahh. If it's by a person, then they must be flag-happy in most cases.

Martin Büttner

No I think most of them should be generated automatically.

Beta Decay

That makes sense.

Martin Büttner

@BetaDecay I think the wording is still ambiguous as to whether the output should be the SVG file or actual graphical output that just resembles the SVG exactly/

Beta Decay

09:27

@MartinBüttner How about now? I've specified that the output can be as PPM, PNG or to the screen.

Martin Büttner

see other chatroom

@Calvin'sHobbies So the Ook! one is invalid. Should we wait for it to be fixed, or should Sp3000 change his to No. 87?

Calvin's Hobbies

I think if there is no change or promise to change it after 10 mins then go ahead and assume it won't be. (They can always answer layer.)

Martin Büttner

aaaaand fixed :D

Sp3000

:P

Hmmm there's no interpreters for unary...

Martin Büttner

09:45

lol

might be because you couldn't even store the program in Google's data centres

Sp3000

Well, it could just be an interpreter that takes the number of zeroes as a string

And uses string manipulations for calculations rather than actual ints

Martin Büttner

true

Calvin's Hobbies

Well that's annoying. If I make a decreasing 95...94...93 list in markdown it makes it 95...96...97

Martin Büttner

@Calvin'sHobbies it's actually quite convenient, because this way I can normally use 1. for each point in a leaderboard, which makes rearranging them simpler.

just use a code block, I guess?

Calvin's Hobbies

No, I want links. I just wont use period

Martin Büttner

10:00

I guess you could just put them in reverse order

that would also put the current winner at the top

Calvin's Hobbies

Actually...sure

Nobody else edit for a bit, I might wipe yours away

Martin Büttner

btw, you might want to explicitly state that you're using a looser model of "programming language" than the consensus definition, if you want to accept HTML and Markdown answers.

Calvin's Hobbies

Answer list added

Sp3000

@Calvin'sHobbies If the quotes should still be printed, then should the quote list have the quotes still in place? Just to make it easier to copy

Calvin's Hobbies

Oh crap, I didn't mean to do that!

Martin Büttner

10:12

now the numbers are gone :(

Calvin's Hobbies

I know, hang on.

Why the heck does excel remove quotes????

Martin Büttner

how do I turn a code point into a character in golfscript? o.O

Calvin's Hobbies

10:26

Ok, everything is updated and back to normal.

user23013

10:54

Now it's the time to invent a language called HTML-PL, which says it is all the same as HTML, but is a programming language.

Martin Büttner

Btw, all you need to do is to prove that HTML can somehow compute primes, and we're cool. ;)

Also, there's basically exactly that comment (in reference to HQ9+) on the meta answer.

Calvin's Hobbies

Links to proposals for this type of contest for posterity: Tetration (abandoned), Regex, Leave your mark, Blob (abandoned).

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Sp3000

12:47

@MartinBüttner Shhh I want to leave 0 for me to use while I snipe all the weird character set ones

(secret plan)

Martin Büttner

lol

Vi.

13:44

I hope this "main" won't go away soon, I want to add one more language to the collection.

Vi.

13:54

I think in the next 10 answers there will be C.

Martin Büttner

how are you going to do C without ( or {?

or are you talking about the first challenge?

or right, there's a main

Vi.

There is already "main". When there will be something like "print", the C whould get close.

Is there already a second ongoing challenge?

Martin Büttner

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Q: ASCII's 95 Characters...95 Movie Quotes

In 2005 the American Film Institute produced AFI's 100 Years...100 Movie Quotes, a list of the best quotes in American cinema. Here they are listed exactly as they should be used in this challenge: 1. "Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn." - Rhett Butler 2. "I'm gonna make him an offer he can'...

code-challenge restricted-source printable-ascii

Vi.

There are a number of broken links leading to the question instead of the answer in those challenges. How do I see a problematic answer that was discussed before?

Example: `(Uses no f if http://codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/40603/32353 is recognized.)`

Martin Büttner

that's a deleted answer

the link isn't broken

you just don't have enough rep yet to see that answer. :/

Vi.

14:09

I don't like the idea of "if ..... then delete your answer" rules.
Better just format them to be grayed out without deleting.

Martin Büttner

how would you do that?

Vi.

For example, by <s>stricking out</s> the title.

Or editing it, replacing with (deleted) or (retracted).

Martin Büttner

hm yeah, but the policy is that invalid answers aren't to be kept around... or at least downvoted... in which case I can see why the author would rather delete it

that's one of the things I mentioned in the meta post why I think these questions aren't very well suited to the PPCG format

Vi.

What's wrong with stubbing them, like with the sandbox submissions?

One can still view revisions if he likes.

Martin Büttner

they aren't answers, so they shouldn't remain on the challenge. that's just basic SE policy, I think.

Vi.

14:15

The answer edited to be short, like just (retracted) clearly does not participate. Yet does not procude bad 404 links that break Internet.

Martin Büttner

but it can still generate rep

(positive or negative)

which it shouldn't

well you could make it CW

Vi.

Voting for a clearly retracted answer?

Martin Büttner

but still... if it's not answer, it should be deleted.

@Vi. how would you prevent anyone from doing it?

Vi.

I think if there is some visible discussion about the answer (on meta, in chat) then the answer is not that needless.

I don't think this prevention is higher priority than avoiding frivolous deletions.

Sometimes "nice try" invalid answers can still be a content worth looking at...

Optimizer

15:05

@Calvin'sHobbies Any issues with the last-man-standing tag ?

Martin Büttner

@Optimizer seems too specific to me

Optimizer

The ASCII one is more or less that only

or maybe royal-rumble ? :D

Martin Büttner

yes of course

lol

that sounds very unspecific and could be a synonym for koth ^^

Optimizer

I have to see how koth works

hmm, so no royal-rumble

that is indeed koth

last-man-standing fits better

Martin Büttner

but only in that one case

it doesn't even fit the original question

Optimizer

15:11

original as in the hello world one ?

Martin Büttner

yes

Optimizer

oh yes. I am not suggesting the tag for these kind of questions

I actually added LMS on the ASCII one and Calvin removed it

Martin Büttner

ah I see... I probably would have done the same though

we don't even have a tag for this whole new challenge type, nor do we know if it's going to be a recurring thing, so I don't see a point in creating a tag that's even more specific than that

Optimizer

tags dont work like that. Its not like when we are perfectly sure that more than 5 or 6 similar questions will be asked, then only a tag should be created.

Martin Büttner

sure, but likewise we don't need to come up with a tag if there's no evidence that it could be useful more than once

Optimizer

15:15

well, It was already created though :P

Sp3000

19:58

@MartinBüttner I'm surprised people are still managing with "proper languages". I don't want to kill your awesome Golfscript solution :(

Martin Büttner

well, it's been around for long enough :P

Sp3000

Bringing out more BF derivatives isn't very fun though :( (there's too many of them)

Martin Büttner

yeah I thought so

Mateon1

20:27

Oh dang, this is still going

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