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Paul White

00:00

Erik has been known to be wrong

Erik Darling

01:09

@PaulWhite can't be proven

the code in this question to populate tables has crashed SSMS twice now

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Q: Creating a non-clustered index on clustering key with some columns included

I have 3 tables: test_productInfo: contains information about the product test_productCreator: contains all the users in our system test_productOwner: contains information about who is the owner of a product(s). A cross reference table between test_productInfo and test_productCreator. My stored p...

Can anyone else run it?

J.D.

@PaulWhite lol burn on Erik or burn on me? 😉

J.D.

03:41

@ErikDarling Runs for me, SSMS (v18.4) hasn't crashed yet. But I'm 10 minutes in, and the first query "CURRENT Query" is still running / hasn't returned any results yet.

Zikato

08:22

Morning

Paul White

@ErikDarling At the risk of stating the obvious, turn off execution plans

SET NOCOUNT ON;
SET STATISTICS XML OFF;

That should be in the script really

John K. N.

@bbaird really good.

Morning

transcript ✅

Vérace

10:06

A chairde - Morning all!

Vérace

10:22

I created an ArangoDB tag this morning - even though it's of minority interest, I think that it's one that should be there. I know nothing about it and the tag stuff is just blurb from the website. Any takers for improvements?

Paul White

11:18

There's very little point adding such tags, but not much harm either, so meh.

That indexing question has a depressing table 'design'.

Vérace

What indexing question?

Paul White

The one one-boxed just above. The only question visible on this page.

The one Erik was referring to

Vérace

Anyway, why "little point"? It's a valid database system and the question doesn't appear to be astro-turfing - so, in the spirit of inclusivitiy (which we all embrace, naturally!), I think it's as well to have it! Who knows, we might be overrun by ArangoDB enthusiasts in the near future?

Paul White

Because no one will use it, and no one can answer such questions anyway.

You always make the same argument, and none of the weird db tags has ever gained traction.

It's a bit cart before the horse for me, but as I said, meh.

It's not like we don't have heaps of useless tags already

And no real way to manage them.

Vérace

OK - I shall refrain in future from creating tags. It's not a hill that I fancy dying on...

Paul White

11:25

Up to you.

I just don't see much value in it.

Zikato

@PaulWhite Could have just used a json to save some trouble. Leave some varchar(100)s for the rest of us.

Paul White

@Zikato If the world runs out of UUIDs, it'll be partly his fault

Anyway, it's a spreadsheet, not a database

Zikato

You could say that design is 'Excel-lent'.
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I'm putting on the glasses, so you don't punch me.

Paul White

🙄

Erik Darling

11:49

@PaulWhite quite risky there

Paul White

@ErikDarling I couldn't think what else might cause that issue. It runs pretty quickly for me.

Well, not the first time.

The first time I wrote the SET statements and forgot to execute them.

Erik Darling

Perhaps something wonky with 19 preview

Paul White

I'm running:

v 18.12.1

Erik Darling

I had a lot of misgivings about answering that because I felt like OP would tell me their real code was different. No table or local variables etc.

Paul White

Yes, I had the same reservations

Fully prepared to be OPped

Also, it's a very routine question

Erik Darling

11:53

If that happens I hope you drop a global ban

Paul White

I couldn't be bothered to talk about specific indexes and row goal issues, for example

Erik Darling

Cute that DOP 4 is only twice as fast as DOP 1

Paul White

And they're on 2012, which excludes sensible use of columnstore

@ErikDarling tbf DOP 2 might be as well, I didn't pursue it

They should just buy your training course anyway

Ideal candidate, assuming they have money

Erik Darling

Heh yeah, I often think about how many performance issues I spent gobs of time on pre-batch mode that could have been ilwipednup in a few seconds.

Paul White

I'm sure they'll be obsessed with small spills and logical reads for a while longer

Do you remember their previous question?

Erik Darling

11:58

@PaulWhite they apparently don’t have enough money to read 15 years of free blog posts

Paul White

Good point

Erik Darling

@PaulWhite yes about paging methods

Paul White

The one with the answer that had the same final line you would give

Erik Darling

Seems they got a roundabout answer to both

Paul White

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A: Pagination solution increases the logical reads but decreases execution time

Ran into a similar problem. A semi-complex application screen with pagination that led to GBs of data being sorted. Selecting and paginating only the PK led to a massive drop in data being sorted, and while it happened (not sure if always) that logical reads were higher, sorting only a few MBs of...

I should've just linked it to begin with

Erik Darling

12:01

Next thing you know they’ll be asking why scalar UDFs reduce logical reads but increase CPU

Paul White

heh

Hm. I have a whole laptop with 2022 and SSMS 19 but can't be bothered resuming it from sleep

Erik Darling

Bored itself to sleep anyway

Paul White

Maybe they have SSMS checking trancount after every statement now

Life really is a journey

Anyway, thanks for your patience and collaboration so far

Erik Darling

that's how we roll in the best friends club

RE: the unused tags, i think i like them so i can get an early start on ignoring them

J.D.

12:19

I like them better than people who mix all the wrong tags on their post, e.g. SQL-Server, MySQL, PostgreSQL, RDS. - yea?

Erik Darling

just give them one more tag to squeeze into the stew

John K. N.

re: tags - Why is there a limit of max five?

ducks and runs

Paul White

I used to ask people why they added irrelevant tags

Most common answer was, "for visibility"

Hurts my brain

J.D.

Sounds like they deserve irrelevant answers then.

John K. N.

kick ban

bbaird

12:43

How am I sure if I answer any of their questions they'll accept it: dba.stackexchange.com/users/237735/trustno1

Maybe I'm being cruel and they've been traumatized in the past by trusting one or more people.

Paul White

They're saying they trust themselves

Trust 'number 1'

😀

bbaird

But what if they have low self esteem?

Paul White

Wouldn't be surprised. They've only ever had one upvote (to 'correct' a downvote)

Vérace

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Q: P&T: which approach to take with app constantly creating new tables

A customer is complaining about low performance. No cpu or memory bottlenecks observed on the system. The problem is that their app is constantly creating new tables that are used for a while, then remain unutilized. This causes query plans to be always quite bad. I believe i tried everything: c...

select performance-tuning table oracle-19c

And the question is: Which approach do you suggest me to take in this kind of situation? And my answer would be: Find those responsible and blow their heads off!

:-)

Paul White

Only one answer to their nine questions too. Though they did get commented to death on at least one, so there's that.

John K. N.

12:52

My current number 1 on my "What if ...." list

> The Ukrainian power plant operator Enerhoatom has accused Russia of wanting to use nuclear waste from the Zaporizhia nuclear power plant to detonate a so-called "dirty bomb" itself. The Russian military has been conducting unauthorized work on spent nuclear fuel storage tanks over the past week, Enerhoatom said.

Paul White

Makes no sense. They wouldn't need ZPP for that.

> British justice secretary Brandon Lewis resigned on Tuesday following the appointment of Rishi Sunak as prime minister.

- Reuters

John K. N.

@PaulWhite agree, but it would mean that Ukranian material was detonated, leaving room for interpretation regarding "Who dunnit?"

Paul White

I don't know. One can invent all sorts of things. Does nuclear waste from one particular place have a fingerprint?

It's impossible to know anything.

I just hope no one does anything (more) stupid at this point.

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Erik Darling

at least not before halloween

i'm throwing a fancy dress party

Paul White

Going with the black goat?

Philip or whatever his name was

2 days ago, by Erik Darling

Should I be Tony Soprano Getting The Newspaper or Black Phillip The Goat

Vérace

13:04

> British justice secretary Brandon Lewis resigned

Excellent news!

Paul White

Not news for those reading the transcript

Vérace

@JohnK.N. Hmmm... interesting. AFAIK, waste has a signature - so if a dirty bomb has a ZPP signature, then the invading Russian aggressors could say that it was the Ukrainians who did it?

Erik Darling

@PaulWhite no, back to the bathrobe

Paul White

a true horror story

Vérace

Transcript? What transcript?

Paul White

13:11

14 mins ago, by Paul White

> British justice secretary Brandon Lewis resigned on Tuesday following the appointment of Rishi Sunak as prime minister.

→ 7 messages moved to Trash

Vérace

Yes - what's the point exactly? Lewis couldn't stomach anyone who wasn't to the extreme hard right of the Tories?

Good (riddance)!

Paul White

No idea, just saw it reported

Seems like the UK government isn't entirely stable anyway

Perhaps he was an outspoken Penny/Boris supporter?

I'd never heard of him before

Sean Gallardy

Weren't all these people in the cabinet just given a job based off of immutable characteristics? If so, wouldn't them leaving be a good thing?

John K. N.

@Vérace exactly my point

Paul White

Or maybe he heard someone say, "Let's go, Brandon" and took them literally

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@SeanGallardy Absolutely no clue how it works tbh

Sean Gallardy

13:17

@PaulWhite I remember seeing a headline that she appointed her cabinet specifically so there were no "white men" on purpose.

Paul White

Oh, I see

Sean Gallardy

I don't know if the people who are resigning are good or not

Paul White

I don't think that was true, though. Senior Cabinet positions perhaps

Sean Gallardy

I don't know who they are, I just remember seeing the article

Paul White

I hear there's misinformation to be found on the internet

Fact checkers told me, I think

Sean Gallardy

13:19

This is what it said, which I could totally see as it's happening in the US as well:
> Following a bruising runoff against Rishi Sunak, Truss has prioritized loyalty and ideological alignment above all.

bbaird

So I'm trying to create dynamic drop-downs in Excel... and it's possible if YOU PIVOT THE DATA HORIZONTALLY which strikes me as bad.

Sean Gallardy

Someone is excelling today

Paul White

It's all about Excel this morning

Sean Gallardy

Best MS software

bbaird

No, I'm not doing anything stupid, just creating some documentation for our ETL developers. I'm okay with other people doing ETL work as I find it tedious.

Paul White

13:20

2 hours ago, by Zikato

You could say that design is 'Excel-lent'.
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Sean Gallardy

:D

Paul White

@bbaird The only person I can think of who would have a sensible opinion on that is billinkc

He was here yesterday, briefly

bbaird

I saw. Maybe if we mention chicken he'll show up.

Paul White

Normally does the trick, yeah

bbaird

The fried (not friend) chicken from this place is really good goo.gl/maps/sbsaMFpNgT98Has17

Sean Gallardy

13:24

chicken or friend chicken, does the method of cooking matter?

bbaird

As long as it isn't fiend chicken

Paul White

Friends don't cook friends

Sean Gallardy

You know an email is going to be full of great factual data points when it starts with misspelling your name.

Paul White

Good job you can't read

Sean Gallardy

@PaulWhite Tell that to the Dom*** dinner party

I can't write either! we just witnessed this!

Paul White

13:25

Your I/O has been slow and unreliable since moving to the cloud

Sean Gallardy

Seems to be a common problem

I need to move back on prem, where the NVMe is fast and cheap

Paul White

preach

Sean Gallardy

Honestly the more I learn about the implementation details of the cloud the more I both don't want to use it and don't like it

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John K. N.

ha

Sean Gallardy

The thing is, almost all of it is documented, but as we all know, no one really reads the documentation - other than the CIO quarterly magazine

bbaird

13:29

I think the cloud, at least at this point, is one gigantic anti-pattern.

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Sean Gallardy

@bbaird I can't hit that star hard enough

Imagine doing the exact opposite of what you tell your own customers to do

Paul White

gets my vote

Sean Gallardy

"My database is slow"
"Ah, yes well I see you're on a SLO with 0.25 CPU cores...."

1/4 of a hyperthreaded core

imagine

IMAGINE

Paul White

I installed a Windows Update on that just recently

It completed in the end, btw

Sean Gallardy

🍾🥂🏆

Are these considered duplicates?
https://dba.stackexchange.com/questions/318701/creating-a-variable-procedure-statement
https://dba.stackexchange.com/questions/318413/how-can-i-do-conditional-authorization-on-a-column-basis?noredirect=1#comment621296_318413

bbaird

13:35

I would.

Josh Darnell

@SeanGallardy Reminds me of this blog I wrote after multiple people asked questions on the main site here where almost their entire query duration was service tier waits 😁 RESOURCE_GOVERNOR_IDLE in Azure

> For my example query, more than 75% of the query’s runtime is spent being throttled by the service tier. You can tune the other 25% all you want, but eventually you’ll have “tune” the 75% - with your wallet 😜

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bbaird

@SeanGallardy Thanks, now my eyes are bleeding from... whatever that is.

Paul White

@SeanGallardy Don't know. Can't quite work out what's going on there. Have they just asked an improved version of the old question?

Sean Gallardy

I honestly can't tell, which is why I asked :D

I think maybe they are asking something new but... also.. I think they are just rephrasing their original question to take out the word "permissions"

Paul White

Ok. I need to take care of the washing up, then I'll have a proper look

Sean Gallardy

13:44

@JoshDarnell Boom goes the dynamite.

Hannah Vernon

14:04

is there any way to get SQL Server to run this? I've tried from the DAC, but that doesn't work, and I'm out of ideas. I'd like to see if there are other columns in the resultset aside from those present in the sys.time_zone_info dmv

    SELECT
        tzi.*
    FROM
        OPENROWSET(TABLE TIME_ZONE_INFO, SYSUTCDATETIME()) tzi


> Msg 102, Level 15, State 36, Line 4
> Incorrect syntax near 'TABLE'.

Vérace

> (Brandon Lewis) I'd never heard of him before

6-county secretary!

Sean Gallardy

@HannahVernon No, that's internal engine items

Hannah Vernon

right, I figured that would be the answer :-(

Zikato

14:16

I hate that timezone alias. I'm always expecting my name

Sean Gallardy

What are you trying to get, @HannahVernon

Paul White

> I'd like to see if there are other columns in the resultset aside from those present in the sys.time_zone_info dmv

Sean Gallardy

Look, we all know I can't read, let alone read the transcript

This room has high expectations of me

Hannah Vernon

@SeanGallardy I'm just trying to figure out a more efficient method of translating datetimeoffset(x) values into other time zones - i.e. instead of AT TIME ZONE 'x'

I was hoping to see the rules, but it's no big deal I have a workaround.

Sean Gallardy

AFAIK SQL reads it from the registry

Paul White

14:23

Yeah, and doesn't cache anything

Hannah Vernon

yah, that's correct. But the AT TIME ZONE clause is very inefficient

Zikato

sqlskills.com/blogs/jonathan/more-about-at-time-zone

Hannah Vernon

lol

look at the comments in part 1 of that blog post

Zikato

heh

Sean Gallardy

🤣

Hannah Vernon

14:24

Jonathan does a good job of doing it wrong

Paul White

> Hannah Vernon says:
July 23, 2021 at 10:31 am
I’ve been seeing this issue in Azure SQL Database on data with hundreds of millions of rows recently however each row could be from a different time zone. Also, what do you do if certain rows are before the switch to daylight savings time, and certain rows are after the switch to DST?

Hannah Vernon

such hard questions

Paul White

I'll never really understand why SQL Server doesn't cache the information

You could do it quite easily with CLR, but Azure SQL Database doesn't support that

Hannah Vernon

shouldiblamecaching.com

Paul White

AT TIME ZONE is one of those things that passed all the unit tests

Hannah Vernon

14:26

I'm just going to see if I do a pure T-SQL replacement, (1) how hard it would be, and (2) for fun

@PaulWhite yah because they tested it in dev on 100 rows lol

like every good dev

Paul White

exactly

@HannahVernon Why not use Joe's code when he open sources it?

Hannah Vernon

@PaulWhite lol perhaps I will. Also though I don't have any actual pressing need for it right now so I'm mostly doing it as an excersize

Paul White

Oh, the July issue is old news then?

Hannah Vernon

boy did I blow that spelling

@PaulWhite yah that was for my old job

Paul White

I just noticed the year

Hannah Vernon

14:29

at this job they only use datetime columns

@PaulWhite at our age, years just blow by so I don't blame you

Paul White

does seem that way

Apparently Rees-Mogg resigned as well

> LONDON, Oct 25 (Reuters) - Britain's business and energy secretary Jacob Rees-Mogg has resigned, Sky News reported on Tuesday, following the appointment of Rishi Sunak as prime minister.

Hannah Vernon

the conservatives are imploding?

that makes me so sad

jeagl -> sarcasm

Paul White

Don't know if it's significant. Ministers often resign after a change in leadership

Zikato

14:55

@HannahVernon can you run a powershell from SQL?
[System.TimeZoneInfo]::GetSystemTimeZones()

Hannah Vernon

15:06

@Zikato interesting

I'd need to write a powershell script for it, which isn't out of the realm of possibility, but probably not something I'll get to today

Zikato

that seems to be in the timezone adjustmentRule class. I'm not pro either
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/api/system.timezoneinfo.adjustmentrule?view=net-7.0

Sean Gallardy

> Is SQL Server 2014 - 2019 and SSMS using Apache Commons Text?

Josh Darnell

:62253445 That PowerShell code is calling into the .NET base class library. It's calling the static GetSystemTimeZones() method on the TimeZoneInfo class, which returns a list of TimeZoneInfo objects. To get the transition dates and times, you'd need to call the instance method GetAdjustmentRules on each item in the list.

Hannah Vernon

@JoshDarnell yah was just looking at the MS Learn page for it

if I was going to go to that length, I'd probably just write it in C#

Zikato

Oct 6 at 17:03, by Zikato

Hannah Vernon

15:16

lol

Zikato

always relevant

Hannah Vernon

Say PowerShell one more time

Sean Gallardy

PPPPPPPPPowerShell

Josh Darnell

@Zikato The rest of you are always talking about all this crazy smart database related stuff - I like to try and help out with my main area when it comes up 😅

@HannahVernon Hahaha

Zikato

@HannahVernon [double]$dare = 1

Paul White

15:18

@HannahVernon That's the point I was making earlier. It's easy (and cached) in .NET but Azure SQL Database doesn't support SQLCLR.

Hannah Vernon

@PaulWhite yah cloud sucks is what I'm hearing

Paul White

It's just another hosting service unless you buy into their BS

Perfectly fine to run SQL Server in an Azure VM if you want to

Sean Gallardy

Imagine giving up your vehicle to only use Uber

and then complaining about wait times

Paul White

BSaaS

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Hannah Vernon

@PaulWhite yah that's what we're doing at the place I'm at now. Apparently TPTB have decided to use premium disk too, so it should be almost as fast as on-premises

Sean Gallardy

15:21

@HannahVernon at 5x the price!

Paul White

Not like businesses to waste money

Sean Gallardy

(per year, coupons not stackable, new rates for premium users only, not available in certain regions, other discounts may apply)

Hannah Vernon

yeah they're not looking at it from a cost perspective obviously.

Sean Gallardy

(not available in AK and HI)

Paul White

If it's cheaper to host on Azure (premium or otherwise) than elsewhere, I see no particular problem with it. My experience hasn't always been that companies spend their money wisely, is all.

I see SO are looking at moving to Mangled Instance. Presumably, that makes cost sense to them. Wouldn't be my first choice, but what do I know.

Sean Gallardy

15:35

They are in for a T-R-E-A-T

Good thing it's almost Halloween

Josh Darnell

@PaulWhite Be careful about implying that the SO devs don't know something about databases, Paul.

Paul White

I would never

Only the ex-devs 😀

Hannah Vernon

not the SRE's?

Paul White

I don't really know what an SRE is tbh

Hannah Vernon

Site Reliability Engineer

Paul White

15:41

Yeah, like I know what the acronym expands to

Hannah Vernon

I was wondering if you knew the acronym but not what they do

do they know what they do?

Paul White

Exactly so

Job titles have always been a bit silly

Modern times are on an exponential curve

I'm currently a Staff Site Salad Enthusiast

Hannah Vernon

for example, what's a consultant actually do

Paul White

invoice

Hannah Vernon

Triple S E lol

Paul White

15:44

Speaking for this consultant only, I write the occasional terrible query for Erik, then wait for alcohol to arrive in the mail

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Sean Gallardy

Like anything else, depends on the org

Hannah Vernon

@PaulWhite sounds like a pretty sweet job

Paul White

@HannahVernon It's not a job if you do what you love

Josh Darnell

Aaron wrote about those titles recently: Comparing DBA, DBRE, and SRE Roles

Sean Gallardy

I switched to SRE and I do all kinds of things, but the SRE counterparts in Ireland don't do what I do. Same title.

Hannah Vernon

15:45

@PaulWhite isn't that the truth

Paul White

OMG people stop with the serious answers

Does this face look like I really want to know 😐

Hannah Vernon

The time in Aukland, NZ, is 4:46 AM on Wednesday

Paul White

God bless you all

@HannahVernon Correct, and it's the same here too

Hannah Vernon

hence the request to not be serious, I am thinking

Paul White

But Auckland is normally spelt with a 'c'

Hannah Vernon

15:47

shit

Paul White

I won't tell you what that stands for

@JoshDarnell thanks

Sean Gallardy

@PaulWhite Yes, yes it does.

Paul White

How about this one 🤡

Sean Gallardy

No, that looks like the US Federal Government

Paul White

I find it impossible to believe clowns could get elected

Certainly would never happen here

Sean Gallardy

15:51

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Paul White

None of your elected moderators is a clown, that's for sure

I always struggle with the singular/plural there

@JoshDarnell Are you the "Josh" quoted at the end of Aaron's piece?

ypercubeᵀᴹ

@HannahVernon mostly not.

Sean Gallardy

@PaulWhite True, more of a weekend at Bernie's situation

Josh Darnell

@PaulWhite No. I did talk to him about the article at some point, but I didn't have much to contribute because I'm not in any of those roles.

Paul White

Hard to believe there are other Joshes out there

Felt sure it was you

But no mention of a property portfolio so yeah

Hannah Vernon

15:59

> The Post previously reported that a Russian insider confronted Putin personally to spotlight mismanagement of the war effort but did not name him.

^^^ because they didn't want to be dead presumably

Paul White

All wars are mismanaged. They're allowed to start, for one thing

Josh Darnell

@PaulWhite The preferred term is "empire."

Sean Gallardy

The Darnelli Empire - sounds like a Tyler Perry show

Paul White

Check out the big empire on Josh

I suppose it's just rumour they're going to rename NC North Darneli

Maybe just start with a Josh County or sthg

Sean Gallardy

He gets a royalty everytime someone says, "just joshing you"

Paul White

16:06

He even has fans that name their entire account after his initials

Big star

Erik Darling

@PaulWhite appeasement rarely works 🫠

Paul White

oh lawd

are there any emoji supported by Windows

I even upgraded to 22H2 yesterday

Big wow that was

I should have spent the time watching some SQL Server for Beginners videos

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Erik Darling

heh heh heh

Sean Gallardy

16:24

To my Tea people, what is your favorite brand? Go.

Tell me this room doesn't like tea, without telling me you don't like tea.

Erik Darling

16:41

i like lapsang souchong, and russian caravan

but those are types more than brands

i used to buy from t2 but i think they're closed down. their site is always out of stuff.

J.D.

No hot drinks for me.

Paul White

NZ breakfast on the odd day I fancy tea, but only first thing in the morning. Otherwise, and even more rarely, regular black tea. We buy maybe one small packet a year.

Erik Darling

yeah, i almost never drink it

espresso or bust

Paul White

Wife has some sort of fancy earl grey in the mornings

We drink so much espresso

Having a home machine and locally roasted beans was the game-changer there

Erik Darling

yeah, same

my new espresso machine is great. it's all push button, and almost no maintenance or mess.

Paul White

16:47

brand?

Hannah Vernon

my espresso machine is refusing to grind beans now, which sucks. But it is on warranty still so there is that I guess.

Paul White

ours is entirely manual and needs servicing once a year but that's it

we do try to look after it

Hannah Vernon

I've had it for a year so it probably needs a new grinding burr or something

undoubtedly De Longhi will let me know

Paul White

we have a separate little grinder machine

just a simple dial to select the fineness

Hannah Vernon

I have a separate grinder too, which I'm using right now, but it's just so much messier

Paul White

16:49

mess is part of the fun

Hannah Vernon

4u

Paul White

yes

can't beat the smell of freshly ground coffee

Hannah Vernon

that's the one I have

Paul White

looks not messy

Hannah Vernon

I love having steamed milk with my coffee

it's actually pretty slick even though it's classed as a manual espresso machine

@PaulWhite life wouldn't be worth living without the smell of freshly ground coffee in the morning

obviously that's a first world problem though

ypercubeᵀᴹ

16:57

@HannahVernon I prefer "Starts with RE"

Erik Darling

amzn.to/3f6XEA2

Hannah Vernon

A certain REEEEE sent out an email to several hundred MS contacts yesterday using the CC field instead of the BCC field

@ErikDarling nice!

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