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I have a plow service not for the driveway but more to clean up the end of it from all the crud the street plow leaves behind, and to keep our mailbox clear (if the postal dude can't reach the mailbox, no mail)
Gets that much hard when it's below zero because salt is basically useless. Little bit more traction but doesn't really have any effect on the snow melting.
I actually wouldn't care if he didn't do the whole driveway
@KrisGruttemeyer sand is better at low temps (and better for your car, and better for the environment)
@mmarie it's cool right up until you've been doing it for more than ten minutes.
@AaronBertrand and your clothes, I don't even wear my black slacks anymore to work.
@mmarie no, it is a pretty cool idea, so simple it should have been invented decades ago
19:02
@AaronBertrand I'm becoming that way more and more.
@KrisGruttemeyer you know it's funny, I only ever worry about that in the garage - lugging two rugrats about means I often brush up against one car or the other.
If it costs less than my hourly rate and I don't like doing it then why the hell am I doing it.
@Zane and even if you don't have an opportunity cost in terms of billable (e.g. you are only salary), it's still time you could have spent working (so less time spent working later) or with family.
there's a destination a little up the road from the habitations and the towns we know
The stuff I do myself around the house is stuff I don't need experts for, or trust myself more than "experts"
19:04
@AaronBertrand I completely understand that, getting my little girl in and out of the car usually means someone is getting messy or falling into a snowbank.
@swasheck where its at!
@AaronBertrand I do the stuff I don't mind doing.
@KrisGruttemeyer mine are 9 and 7 so i just rub their faces in the grime on the side of the car. when they complain about being dirty, i just ask them why they've not yet washed the car
@swasheck HAHA! Very nice. That's what I call parenting right there.
Also there isn't much to shovel so I still do that.
@Zane i like doing most of it on my own anyway. gives me great catharsis.
19:06
@Zane yeah anything cosmetic we do ourselves. Why? Because we care about the final product, not about the profit margin.
@KrisGruttemeyer life's simple lessons are not easily lost on me :)
@swasheck Might tuck that one away for when my daughter gets older. :)
the one who opens the mouth to whine is the one upon whom the resolution falls
What I really want to do is get into woodworking. I think that would be fun. Making my own furniture and stuff.
@Zane building things or decorative artistry stuff?
(not that they're mutually exclusive)
19:10
@swasheck I'd like to make my own tables, chairs, shelving units, etc...
Furniture is outrageously expensive and working with my hands is something I rarely get to do anymore.
@Zane I just built a raised doggie dish :)
In many ways I miss have a physical labor job.
it's not perfect but it was fun.
cool. i made a bookshelf for my wife for our "wood" anniversary (back when she was into that sort of tradition thing) and have built our garage shelving units. i'm set to embark upon a new kitchen table this spring
@bluefeet yeah. That's what I'm talking about. Why pay some jag to make you a cheap crappy thing when it could be fun to make your own.
Not to mention the satisfaction of being able to say I made that.
@swasheck There's a wood anniversary?
19:12
totally and now I've had people ask me to build them for their dogs
<----clueless about this sort of thing.
@Zane 5 years, I believe
I got a tree for mine
@bluefeet that's more our speed these days.
@swasheck it was nice. We wanted one so it was perfect
this year will be 14 which is ivory and we'd rather crusade against poachers than have an ivory trinket
but we dont actually do much for our anniversary. it's dec 30 so it's too close to christmas and feels like spending too much money
19:14
@swasheck nice 14!
@swasheck you should get her conflict diamonds instead.
@Zane thats ... uh ... the opposite direction
ohhh.
@bluefeet got married young
I thought maybe your love was just so intense that ivory wasn't evil enough.
Gee there's a lot of rules to being married. I always just thought it meant you watched more netflix.
:)
19:16
well that too
@Zane You do
@bluefeet That is nice! Although I have solved this problem by having a short dog.
@Zane find something to get passionate (together) about and entertainment is watching each other getting all hyped up about ending human trafficking or inner-city education
@mmarie I do too - it was for the shih tzu but our pug is using it
the shih tzu wouldn't go near it
@bluefeet @mmarie our boxer pushes all of her food out of the bowl and eats it from the floor
19:18
@mmarie her dogs short too that's why she also build a staircase for it.
lol. i will admit i have one of those steps for dogs so my dog can get on/off the couch and bed.
My friend posted a video of his bulldog barking at him because his food dish wasn't full. The metal was showing at the bottom and he didn't like it so he kept barking until it was fixed
cute
@mmarie what if it was a kid ranting about something ridiculous at their house?
still cute?
@swasheck No.
19:27
indeed
My dog doesn't bark very much. He does whine a bit though. That gets less cute as time goes on. I think the bulldog thing is cute because it knows what it wants and is able to communicate and train its human.
Run, Forrest, run
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Q: How to store a time value of a minute in a time formatted table column?

Forrest PhillipsHow can you store a time value of a minute in a time formatted table column and another time value of a hour in a formatted table column?

(Not my down-vote, btw. But I don't know why people insist on using types for data they're not intended for.)
Yeah just turn it all into strings. So much easier. ;)
@Zane until you have to sort them ... then you get pissed about a "gotcha" because your strings aren't implicitly sorted like numbers
i wish i could vtc more than once
you can recruit more from in here.
19:40
unfortunately we're just sitting on the precipice of the needful on that question that @AaronBertrand posted
> Tulsa World reports that Representative Dan Fisher, who introduced the bill, lamented during Monday's hearing that the new AP U.S. History framework emphasizes "what is bad about America" and doesn't teach "American exceptionalism." It's a complaint that's been spreading among mostly conservative state legislatures in recent months and has some calling for a ban on all AP courses.
sigh
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@billinkc I just wrote a stored proc with a WAITFOR DELAY and thought of you
@JNK dont you mean a sproc? is it performant?
Wait for it.....
(still waiting for my stars)
Chartaphobia: When business insist on relying solely on numbers arranged in tables to track performance. #DataViz #Epidemic
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19:45
When I hear "sproc" I think of
@mmarie it has to be the correct chart for the job, though. naturally.
@swasheck :-) Yes
i sat in a presentation on that topic once. it was good. i was afraid for the presenter, though. she had a morbid obsession with crime in her area.
@mmarie What do you call it when they use all pie charts?
hell
19:51
I dunno... maybe Shiny Round Syndrome. They are just so happy when things are shiny and round that it doesn't matter if the charts are useful.
@Zane No, there is another acceptable use.
@mmarie BLOCKED
ta muchly. nom nom nom.
20:00
Cake > Pie
It depends.
Cop out answer.
i'm going to need you to cite your sources
Not all cakes are created equally.
neither are pies.
20:03
Also pies are much better for throwing.
cake (CASE PIE WHEN 'strawberry-rhubarb' THEN < ELSE > END) pie
@AaronBertrand is that legal syntax?
whew. after my performance on sorting on calculated columns the other day, i'm a bit skittish
Whoa, I don't remember doing this
I must have been an angry elf that week
20:08
I remember that.
shut the front door
what are you, rain man?
back the truck up
I don't recall the exact details.
@AaronBertrand Sadly no, 113 records. The fields aren't even that wide
now you're backing off
20:09
^^^Somebody's trollin'
@Zane then definitely not rain man
@swasheck Ruined it
Most certainly not.
more like drizzle boy
Slightly damp sidewalk kid
20:10
I think I'm going to go get coffee as an excuse to not sit in the GD office.
@MikeFal which is still better than me. i can't even remember what i wore yesterday
@swasheck Clothes, man. You wore clothes.
whew. i was a bit concerned for a bit
Wait Gordon wrote a book?
@Zane ohyeah.
20:12
@Zane How to out-Stack Overflow everyone
1st edition was 8 years ago. there've been no revisions. it was either that good, or wasnt worth the effort by any party involved. i'll let you choose which option to believe.
@AaronBertrand hopefully none of his books are on how to test your code.
> I got this book for a class I was taking, thinking it would help me having it in print vs. just borrowing a copy. Well, unless you work with data regularly this book was very disappointing and useless for me. It gave a few helpful concepts but now I'm using it as a stand for my computer monitor. I will likely try and pass it on/sell it for cheap to someone who needs it.
> So dry and dense I refused to read it. Not a good way to learn SQL
@swasheck hahaha
Speaking of appendages...
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Q: Regarding the author's right to edit his own question

jcolebrand How do I add minutes to a time data type? This question has spontaneously devolved into an edit war. The author feels slighted. Here is his "closing volley" and then my ruling as a moderator (hey, I'm just cleaning up stuff). Final notes: It is my right, as the person who asked the que...

20:18
@billinkc TLDR
@billinkc ah the good old days
i'm getting all misty-eyed
Something like that
love is a burnin thing and it makes a fiery ring.
lay off the ghost peppers to avoid that
if it doesnt burn as much coming out as it did going down then it's not worth it
punctuate that how you wish
20:37
what's the code for
in an answer?
That's a huge tab.
<kbd>Enter</kbd>
thanks
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Q: ORA-00905 SSIS 2010 OLEDB though statement works in SQL Developer

Holanda Corellahope the title is good enough to freeze the reader, the pseudo code is below "SELECT DISTINCT TO_NCHAR(ID) , DATE , OPEN_DATE , NUMBER , X , PRODUCT , DESCRIPTION , D4 , TO_NCHAR(CUSTOMERNAME) FROM CASE I...

SSIS questions on SO are becoming ESL questions...
I should plot my SSIS answers to comments ratio over time
@Zane We really don't talk about the size of another man's tab key.
20:44
@billinkc lol
Sure here's an answer. Umm ok, well ugh, this is the answer. Now it's just "comment answer you're a dumbdumb"
My guess is it would look like the stock market crash.
Is it just me or does his work around make more sense anyway.
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Q: SSIS Mysql dataflow multiple statement source

gwgellerI am running into problems with SSIS(2012), mysql(odbc) and dataflow when my sql command is more than one statement. In addition I cannot start the statement with a comment either. This is not a problem when using oledb & sql server. SELECT id FROM id_table WHERE type = 'product' INTO @id; SELEC...

No, that's SQLintersection.
DevConnections is Penton (the magazine people)
Though Paul & Kimberly used to be involved with that one.
so many groups
20:58
That's makes more sense. I thought the one the P&K one speakers were on an invite only basis
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A: How define a SQL query to "lookup and return a value from a table twice"

Jean-François SavardThis query would solve your problem : select a.Day, a.PantsColorID, b.Color as 'PantsColor', a.ShirtColorID, c.Color as 'ShortColor' from TableClothes a join TableColor b on b.ColorID = a.PantsColorID, TableColor c where c.ColorID = a.ShirtColorID; You can use a standard ANSI join first, then...

This answer uses the old and the new join syntax to make things extra stupid.
He's really putting up a fight on that...
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A: How define a SQL query to "lookup and return a value from a table twice"

Astra BearYou need to join the Clothes table to the Color table twice. Like select * from TableClothes L, TableColor C1, TableColor C2 where L.shirtcolorid = c1.colorid and L.pantscolorid = c2.colorid

Even worse.
@KrisGruttemeyer you can't reuse the ansi join syntax
mylols bring all the dumbs to the yard
Still trying to figure out why Hogan got downvoted.
I see it now, Zane pointed out the alias
21:14
Here fishy fishy fishy
@Tarzan Do you have an example of where you've encountered this? In my limited SSIS exposure, I've not encountered this — billinkc 1 min ago
@KrisGruttemeyer it's actually fine
@swasheck It would have worked the original way. I dont think Zane is the one who gave the DV, though. Probably our good friend mr 'new meets old joins'
I answered the damn thing. You guys want to proof read since I'm over caffeinated and wasn't really paying attention?
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A: How define a SQL query to "lookup and return a value from a table twice"

ZaneAlright I didn't want to answer this one since it's a relatively simple question and I thought a good answer would just pop up but instead we are going to take this as an intro to SQL and I'll try to both show and explain what you're doing wrong here. First off. You're using the old style joins ...

@Zane hogan's answer is just fine
@swasheck it is but it lacks clarification and explanation to an OP who is clearly a sweet little noob.
I did remove the condescension from my answer I was grumpy when I started it.
21:18
@Zane How gentle.
@Zane yeah --- but it makes your explanation for a random downvote baseless
@swasheck It's just speculation as to why there may have been a DV. Technically I upvoted it since it wasn't shit.
@Zane i know ...
Not shit was the equivalent to gold in that pile of answers lol.
@Zane yeah jean-francois had a bewildering answer and statement
21:22
Who is "captain old-style join"?
@AaronBertrand My entire iSeries/AS400 team
:)
We should call him Captain Obsolete Syntax.
More accurate
@AaronBertrand jean-francois
@AaronBertrand he ran away.
Have you tried it ? this won't compile — Jean-François Savard 31 mins ago
21:23
gotcha
his answer was like this
a join b, c
from tableClothes join table color, Table color
@AaronBertrand exactly.
Yeah that's not confusing at all
21:24
After explaining quite bluntly why he was an idiot he decided he didn't want to play anymore.
@AaronBertrand his assertion was that you can't use a join because you've already used the table once. hurrrrr
Oh yeah, undeed
God speed to whoever supports his code.
Wait.... Why would you want to do this? What's the benefit to adding the auto int and replacing the natural key with it? — Zane 10 secs ago
^^ am I wrong here?
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@Zane IT DEPENDS
First I have no clue for MySQL
but for SQL Server it may make sense to have a surrogate key
Good point /unsubscribe
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21:33
well for MySQL too
What if the product's bar code changes?
Same product they jsut changed the bar code
Then you're screwed
I tend not to trust natural keys
there's almost nothing that can never change
Even stuff like SSNs
We used surrogate keys for patients in the healthcare data set even though we had SSNs
yeah
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across millions of patients and billions of procedures, sometimes an SSN did change like if someone is caught doing identity theft
they used someone else's SSN
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A: What is it that strips vocals from audio when a 1/8" audio jack is partially unplugged?

Dave TweedWhen the plug starts to slip out of the jack, very often it's the ground contact (sleeve) that breaks its connection first, leaving the two "hot" leads (left and right, tip and ring) still connected. With the ground open like this, both earpieces still get a signal, but now it's the "difference"...

fun question. funner answer
@Zane, I did a (not so minor) edit to your answer. If it sounds too ranting, rollback ;)
21:44
i'm going to freak out the security people here. i'm importing employment data into a local database and sementech endpoint protection agent is flying off the handle
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@swasheck it's catching personal info?
@JNK not sure if kidding
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@swasheck not familiar with the endpoint protection
so not kidding
oh. ok. it's a corporate tool, managed by corporate tools, to keep us safe ... makes sure that we're updated on patches and not installing viruses
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ah ok
and you're about to get tackled at your desk
21:47
they wont tackle me.
they'll send me an email and i'll reply to them with my normal condescending sneer
and i wont hear about it again
until the next time
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security drones are humorless by design
are they idiots by design?
they are generally funnier than intelligent
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Q: Why to separate DDL from DML?

kevin winiareskiI have a very basic question about DMS I want to ask why we separate DDL and DML into different languages and in general why Database creation tools is different from data manipulation and control tools. I look the web for the answer but what I found was mostly about the differences between DDL a...

The hits keep on coming
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Was just looking at that one
I can't come up with a comment to start to clarify what he's thinking
21:55
i can.
vtc->/dev/null/
@swasheck why does endpoint protection think you're doing something bad?
You mean VTC | Out-Null
@MikeFal I take it that is PS syntax?
You take correctly
I'm trying to keep up with all the cool kids.
22:00
@JamesLupolt lots of writes
i guess
@MikeFal or that. if that's what you're into. not that there's anything wrong with that. i'm not one to judge. :)
@ypercube No that's perfect. I didn't even think about that portion.
Our BI people are so clueless it's impossibly frustrating.
So frustrating that I must now go and get drunk.
See ya later.
Any takers on what they did? I think they said "Hi" to Zane
 
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