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@EvanCarroll I did Apache last week so I had a working SSO to beat a vendor with
More exactly, "Better they kill Java " is a euphemism for "stick Java up Orable's arse"
They're not anywhere close to killing Java.
or even moving that direction.
@gbn I want to star that 1,000,000 times
@MDCCL shame on you. :p
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@EvanCarroll They only have to make their kit platform independent, which will require OSS.
Sure, amongst other things, and we should all agree that for preserving the language's market share that's a vital step.
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21:10
@EvanCarroll They don't have to kill Java. They want the Enterprise space. Having their kit in OSS brings new users and a body of experience,which feeds into that space
I agree fully on what should be done there and a needed realignment, I just think Java's and .NET's days are numbered.
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Who wants .net on 2 or the 3 billion devices with Java? Better on 10,000 Linux boxes with juicy support contracts
@EvanCarroll Yeah, COBOL died years ago eh?
Yep, I agree. There is no penetration of .net on Linux and that was a really bad business call that has enabled Java for a lot longer than need be.
meh, mono is getting pretty good
Not really. And most of the stuff .net developers want doesn't run on mono at all, afaik.
Like WPF
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21:13
@jcolebrand games developed on Unity *used" to be mono, if they needed the unity runtime
anyone else in here want to vote to reopen this?
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Q: Migration of Always On Availability Group from old to new SAN within same data center

IMADBAWhat are the steps required to move AAGs (version=SQL 2012 and OS=Windows 2012 R2 O) to new SAN within same data center? It is a virtualized environment. Instead of building new servers - can the VM and storage be v-motioned to new storage?

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@EvanCarroll If MS decide to support mono in OSS, that will change
@gbn they already have. Have you used Visual Studio for OSX?
The whole point of .NET Core is for that
I agree man. I'm all for it. I hate Microsoft almost as much as you hate Oracle. Their inability to embrace Linux is going to destroy them
yeah, @jcolebrand ... surprised that .net core wasnt already mentioned. i dont think that powershell will ever gain serious foothold in the linux space but it's there too
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21:15
@EvanCarroll I joke about Oracle. I don't hate it. I just use 'Orable instead of M$
@swasheck done
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@swasheck I do agree with that. Powershell is clumsy before v5. But I've seen some shitty bash scripts that could be one-lined in Powershell
I basically live in PS >.>
I'm still betting on Microsoft losing the web game. ;)
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@EvanCarroll to whom?
21:17
TypeScript was seriously their best game. And it doesn't fit in with their platform at all.
@gbn to Facebook and Google.
@jcolebrand I have to start using it, which mean learning/re-learning it
i think the difference, @EvanCarroll is that you actively hope and cheer for something to fail. i think that the rest of us, though we joke about oracle and other technologies, understand that you use the tool that fits your needs and environment.
PS is pretty cool, at least Microsoft is trying to do something there. And their new SQL cli while totally jacked from another project is pretty top notch.
if that's oracle, so be it. if it's postgres. yay. if it's go ... then go with it
@swasheck Yes I hope the proprietary model of software development, and vendor lockin dies.
21:19
@EvanCarroll so you have the same vitriol toward oracle then, right?
Yes, more actually.
but you're just trolling in here because you know the room is dominated by people who use MS to make a living?
Microsoft was likely worse than Oracle, despite Larry's best attempts. And, now there is no dispute that Microsoft plays better than Oracle.
@gbn dont get me wrong. i've spend the vast majority of my last 9 months in powershell doing a lot of automation crap. i'm just saying that linux admins aren't going to tear out what's worked for them for so many years.
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@EvanCarroll They aren't competing as such. And MS Azure is number 2 after AWS. Google 3rd, Oracle
@swasheck Agree. The use case for PS is to replace ugly windows cmd and other shit. I replaced a massive cmd file with 5 lines of PS the other day
21:22
Azure is doing a lot of things right
It's easily more of an open platform than Google's cloud offering.
Azure's primary downfall is the same downfall across most cloud offerings: there's no true transparency as to the cost of what you're actually getting.
@swasheck have I ever attacked any developers here? Or just business decisions and technical decisions by Microsoft?
@swasheck Your identity should not be so intrinsically tied with your tool set that you can't differentiate between those things. You'll find numerous admissions in this conversation that Microsoft did the right thin, or is moving the right direction.
good point. you havent, but i just dont ever see you ranting against Oracle in here. just a colloquial observation, that's all.
@jcolebrand why, what happened? :)
@swasheck Next time I'm using Oracle, I'll rant against them and tag you.
We'll be besties.
@swasheck you should find the many compliments I've been giving MS SQL to be not-an-attack on their technology. In fact, I'm probably this months #1 question guy on the tags. I've been taking apart SQL Server because I want to know more.
And most of things I'm finding out, I'm the first person to discover.
Which is always fun.
And, where would reverse engineering be if not for multi billion dollar IP forts defending Obscurity Hill.
The real problem with SQL Server is that it's not just one proprietary technology -- they ship out these hivs and now I'm trying to dump them too.
21:32
@jcolebrand is this regarding the cross-post flag?
TIL that redhat reverse engineered the hive format
Redhat btw is a company that I think does corporate profit seeking close to perfect.
I'm going to move to a Qubes OS in 2018 (which is red-hat based), and leave Debian.
New years resolutions.
Here is something kind of cool too, Red Hat produces a utility that allows you to navigate Hive Files as in a cli-shell. I'm wondering how hard it would be to wrap that in FUSE so you could just double click them in the File Browser and navigate them in Linux.
=) =)
Actually someone already did it.. Oh joy github.com/jbruchon/winregfs
@MDCCL yah
don't bad flag me :p
VtC instead
21:56
Do you get anything special when you run SQL Server on a different version of Windows like "Windows Server 2012 R2 Datacenter"?
Is anything on SQL Server limited to the version of the host operating system?
22:07
I also wonder if SQL Server on Linux gets security vulnreabilitys on the same CVE product page as SQL Server
22:29
@bluefeet i started doing cardio again this week. how do i keep from dying of boredom?
@sp_BlitzErik good music
 
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23:49
Do any sql server users have an ldfreader?
it's a log file reader, but I can't see this tool documented anywhere online
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