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The Commander
The Commander
04:00
(he did not come back)
> OK, so what if there is some AI which is created to perfect torture? That is direct harm which seems more evil.
What if the AI is its own author?
@CassieSwett This is something I'm already exploring in the world; wartime AI that doesn't care for collateral damage.
now uhhh
refined:
quesrtion
"What circumstances would drive an AI to become sadistic?" (a la AM)
is that too story-based?
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
ugh
@TheCommander is that from "I have no mouth and I must scream?"
The Commander
The Commander
yes
where the AI hates humans...
because.
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Powerful work of fiction, but by $deity so emotionally scarring
@TheCommander any familiar with the TV show person of interest?
The Commander
The Commander
dont think so
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
So at the end there's two opposing AIs - both ostensibly trying to protect humans. One's learnt genuine care and is trying to preserve 'free will' and saving 'key' people (the machine) and the other is trying to kill key people to take power (Samaritan)
Both are 'trying' to save humanity - one by preserving humans and the other trying to build a perfectly ordered society even if it meant a few murders
The Commander
The Commander
04:08
sounds like an interesting concept; what are you getting at?
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
"Evil" is relative
even with the same goals "broadly" - methods matter
and even the "good" AI in POI was... a little alien
The Commander
The Commander
@JourneymanGeek "does a fish see a shark as evil?"
hence why I changed the question to "Sadistic" instead
causing pain for no reason type beat
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
while the AI in I have no mouth is actively sadistic, you're more likely to have an AI being 'evil' in self preservation (skynet, the robots in Matrix - and I'd argue the pre war humans are evil there) or being 'unfeeling' and focused on a task (samaritan or autofac)
@TheCommander more of "lack of morality" is probably more dangerous than "evil"
AM fails eventually because it was too sadistic
The Commander
The Commander
@JourneymanGeek I want this AI to become actively sadistic
I already have others that have no idea what the value of a life is
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
could just cheat and start it off as sadistic
Maybe its designed as a interrogation AI
The Commander
The Commander
04:17
hmmm
I can't cheat in this situation but I do like the idea
the very first version of the question was "why would an AI go insane?"
sorry if I'm being insufferably particular
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
What's the AI's story?
Maybe it got stuck in an accelerated time loop
Maybe it encountered something that 'broke' it
The Commander
The Commander
@JourneymanGeek ~~consigned to the meat grinder~~ designed to destroy other corrupted AI(and before you say "just have it be corrupted by them", no.)
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@TheCommander PTSD?
Too much screaming?
Hunting down another AI like it and realising that its just a pawn and may get killed some day?
What is destroying an AI like for the other AI?
The Commander
The Commander
* Clarification
"AI"is a bit generous for the things its designed to hunt down
think of a simple class of von Neumann machines that can do... a lot of things
now put their 28kb programming in a blender while somehow keeping it functional
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
Its your story
The Commander
The Commander
04:25
😔
i knew the question was too story-based
The Commander
The Commander
04:42
time for another pre-sandbox validation question that I am unsure how to word
you know how steel can be denser than iron because carbon atoms can fit in the holes left by iron's crystal structure?
would it be plasusible to do the same thing with heavy metals(iridium etc)?
i know something similar was done with gold and titanium a while back
as an actual question title it would probably be "Plausibility of alloys with 6th-period metals?
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
05:12
That's generally true of most metals
its not denser though, its stronger
that's chemistry tho
The Commander
The Commander
05:25
wait steel isn't denser than iron?
@JourneymanGeek yeah I get that the carbon interrupts crystal structure and prevents shearing and whatnot
Journeyman Geek
Journeyman Geek
@TheCommander not necessarily
It has different properties
The Commander
The Commander
*can be denser
I know higher-carbon steel is usually more brittle
 
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VLAZ
VLAZ
16:08
@TheCommander This table lists the density of iron as 7860 and stainless steel as 7982 while mild steel (whatever that is) is 7850. Also found this one and this other one. They show similar values and still very low difference.

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