I finally finished my star cluster answer.

I realized that the one thing I don't like about the site design is that images with white backgrounds don't blend in too well.

I guess they don't. I haven't noticed

@Durakken Well then, for episode 2, we'll spend more time on world building and less on character discussion.

@Green thanks for taking the time; I was hoping for the question to have that or a similar effect on the community, it's always fun to take things apart and grow them bigger

@dot_Sp0T No problem. I learned a great deal about the evolutionary tree that gives us the various characteristics we see in the biosphere.

Opinions noted.

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@Green good morning

@James good morning

@dot_Sp0T No "good morning" for me?!

NO

@NexTerren bad morning!

Sadness.

@NexTerren that's the title of a Scott Pilgrim comic

Scott Pilgrim and the Infinite Sadness

Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness ?

How come we got like 13 pages of tags?

@dot_Sp0T Man, it's really early morning here. I got caught up in a game of Factorio; watching my solar farms build themselves.

Morning

@Green I now feel obliged to ask you for the opportunity of a shared multiplayer game at one point in the future

Also I just generated some 700lines of code from 50lines of data, regex coding = best coding

lol @green - robot-automated factories. Could never get it right and always ended up using a main bus

@Raisus you're welcome :) Also if you got any idea for additional tags, or want me to clarify things - ping me

@dot_Sp0T - Will do. I think I've got some ideas on the whole ICE vs Steam engine anyway

just looking some stats on wiki for ya

@Raisus looking forward to reading it; as mentioned in the question I mostly went along the lines of thinking about how to take away their fuel, thus they would not be beneficial/useful enough to be developed further than a POC... Also have a look at the Doble Steam Car and the modified Travel Air 2000 of the Besler Brothers - there's lots of interesting reading there :D

@dot_Sp0T The whole fuel issue isn't going to cut it. The reason people IRL changed from steam to ICE was due to engine efficiencies

so I'm probably going to go down that route

I mean there's lots of ways to improve efficiency or cut down on size... e.g. when building a plain you can get rid of huge cooling tubes due to the fact that you can just run the exhaust steam along the outside of the plain

Now I wonder: Should I put my steamplane plans into writing/imagery and put them up here as a question about me missing out on any huge gamebreaker, or should I rather not?

Hehe, only you can answer that

@dot_Sp0T I'd be delighted!

Is there any tag I can use to indicate that the answers should not invent things that do not exist?

@Raisus I've never used a main bus. I haven't been able to get that organized yet. Just starting to get good with blueprints.

I've never managed to play long enough to get robots :D

@Green - That comes, I guess from watching Arumba and Steejo too much

The Mainbus must flow

Exactly

@Raisus while they are an excellent source, I'm not good enough yet to really know/follow what they are doing.

and I like optimizing but not that much.

@Green - Ah, fair enough

Though, I agree, that much optimisation is a bit much for me too

@Green I feel we will have much fun playing together - I'm not really a guy that's good at achieving a goal by themselves... but BOY DO I LOVE OPTIMIZING THINGS

@dot_Sp0T Tags are for describing questions, not answers, in order to attract experts and help people find questions about their situation. You can just say in your question that you're only looking for answers which use extant material.

@BESW what does extant mean? Did you just invent the word?

Also, hi @BESW - long time no seen

@dot_Sp0T And I'm really good with ideas, not so much with implementation. (Clearly, I can implement but it's not where I'm strongest.)

It means "exists," with an implication of survival.

@Green we will be an amazing team

(It's generally expected --with some specific categorisation exceptions determined per site-- that questions not rely exclusively on tags to convey information.)

You should see my half-finished huge spaceships in Space Engineers! As soon as I'm done setting up engineering in order to produce the parts I need to build the ships I get bored

Also hi.

@dot_Sp0T There you go. Answer posted

let me know what you think

@BESW i'll just be using the word you made up there

brb

Just be sure to give me credit for making it up.

@dot_Sp0T we can coordinate later. I'm going to bed, at 5am.

I was tempted to write <s>s</s>extant

@Green We first need to clarify timezones I think

That'll teach me to not gulp down a giant cup of unsweetened black tea around bed time.

Ouch

I'm eastern USA.

I'm GMT+1

For now

:P

@dot_Sp0T I'm not around much because my worldbuilding questions don't tend to be a good fit for this site, alas.

@Raisus Black tea is a new thing for me as is caffeine. I'm really not used to it

GMT - 4.

@Green - Yeah. you americans love your coffees

(j/k)

@Raisus Don't really care for the taste of coffee. Mocha is okay sometimes but not coffee.

Actually, GMT-4 would put you in Canada, eh?

Nope, Boston.

Holy smokes, did you know that github or codecov (not yet sure which of both) have random quotes of scifi, etc displayed on loading things?

You still on Daylight Saving, then?

Thought you guys had gone back to -5

@BESW I think your questions would be amongst the better questions

@Raisus not yet.

@Green - Ah okay

Later this month.

@Green I make my own plunge-style cold brew, which tastes much different and is a lot easier on my stomach.

@Green near the turnpike?

I can walk there if I have to.

But I can walk a really long way of I need to.

The only time I've been to Boston was back in 2287

@BESW same roast as hot brew?

@dot_Sp0T - lmfao 2287

@dot_Sp0T impressive that you went to Boston in the future.

@Green Yeah, whatever the warehouse store is selling in big tubs that month.

At least someone must have gotten the FO4 reference then :)

Sadly, yes

If I'm feeling fancy, I add a tea infuser of cinnamon, turmeric, nutmeg, red pepper, or whatever.

@dot_Sp0T never played.

@dot_Sp0T Whyso?

@BESW nice combo! I've been making a lot of mixed teas lately and really enjoy them. David's Tea is my present preferred brand.

@BESW - I'm a bit of a purist. Builder's Brew for me

@Green I've been using tea as a base for non-alcoholic juice cocktails.

I usually drink coffee or black/green tea - How can I improve my life according to you guys?

Coffee never after 8 pm. My parents struggle to sleep if they drink coffee after that

even Tea at that late is iffy

Hot Celestial Seasonings Red Zinger, cranberry juice, lemon juice (or calamansi if you can get it), ginger salabat powder, and just enough brown sugar to take the edge off the tart and sour. Chill. Add fizzy water just before serving.

@BESW I tried Kombucha for the first time this week. Curious to see if I can make my own.

@Raisus Yeah, it's important to figure out your body's metabolism in order to know when to cut off. Not doing that is how I wound up unable to sleep without caffeine in college.

afk a bit, making dinner.

Hey, it's college, that's what its there for

@BESW I'm not hyper (not sure I get hyper off caffeine) but man was I able to focus on Factorio for a long time with no breaks.

I swear my first year there was a drunken haze

@Raisus I missed that particular rite of passage. Went to a strict religious university.

@Green - That sucks, man

American colleges must be awesome. Here it's just like going to school or to a job - no big dorms or stuff like that

I think there are a few here like that, Oxbridge, etc

but most are not

Heh. I deliberately sought out a public American university with a dry campus and a ban on fraternity houses.

I deliberately chose a Uni near my parents place so I did not have to shell out money for a flat

And our local university's dorms are mostly for people from the outer islands who don't have family here.

What are outer islands

You're just making that stuff up as you go!

"Outer islands" is a common term in archipelagos to describe the smaller and/or less developed islands associated with a "hub" island with most of the resources and social/political leverage.

It's been adopted in a (sadly semi-pejorative sense) to also refer to the relationship between the archipelagos and island chains which make up the Micronesian subregion, of which my island is the most Westernised.

@BESW I don't doubt that you're good at making this stuff up, you're probably doing some GMing

considering @BESW's main acct is 40k in RPG SE, I'd say that would be a fair bet

I think worldbuilding, especially for RPG settings, is best when it invents as little as possible from whole cloth. At the table there's already plenty to keep track of and remember, so it's useful if the setting is designed to activate existing schema in the players.

@BESW as long as it ain't Curse of Strahd I think we agree on that

Right now I'm revisiting an old campaign setting that I'm considering revitalising. I'm gonna have to update some of its concepts and vocabulary to reflect my better-developed understanding of how much my own lens influenced the design.

@dot_Sp0T I'm also fond of "moon tea," which is tea that's been 'brewed' by letting the leaves sit in cold water for six to 24 hours (depending on temperature and desired strength).

The bitterness and acidity of hot-brewed tea and coffee can be hard on my stomach sometimes, but also it's just a totally different kind of taste.

heh. Kinda like cold brew coffee

@BESW that sounds fun, how do you counter the bitterness?

Figure out when to take the leaves out before it gets bitter.

Takes a little trial and error to figure for each kind of tea.

Cold-brewed coffee and tea are both less bitter than their hot-brewed counterparts, but get nasty if you leave the grounds/leaves in too long.

Also: if you take either tea or coffee with sugar, try brown sugar instead of white.

It's not for everyone, but I really like it.

I've got a friend who literally gags at regular coffee, but who greatly enjoys my cold-brewed and spiced coffee with brown sugar and almond milk.

@JDługosz lets continue here, shall we?

Just saw my name mentioned…

Continue what?

@JDługosz the questions you raised that would result in a discussion

hola!

@SerbanTanasa burrito!

been a while since I've had the chance to hit the chat

anything I missed

Tea and coffee?

I see a surprising influx of eye questions

Eye noticed

Eye cringed

these puns are a sight for sore eyes

Speaking of eyes, I just learned that they can create glasses that correct color blindness... I never thought of that as a possibility before...

@AndyD273 only some forms, and apparently it's just a saturation filter

I used to not believe it, but my phone has a colorblind setting which helps me tell the difference between green and red when it would otherwise be difficult to do so

@DaaaahWhoosh what type of colorblindness do you have

I wonder if the technology will come along to shift certain colors out of the trouble wavelength eventually, while leaving all the other colors alone

That's interesting, I have a feeling it might result in colored glasses or something though

@SerbanTanasa I forget, I want to say deuteranopia or anomalous trichromacy, but I don't think it was ever professionally diagnosed

I can't tell the difference between these two, is there supposed to be one?

@DaaaahWhoosh thank you... I've now a mental image of Siri shouting "RED" and "GREEN" at you while you're browsing

@dot_Sp0T I am glad I'm working from home today, that made me literally lol

@DaaaahWhoosh the left image has stronger colours, respectively a higher amount of green

@DaaaahWhoosh, one is bathed in beautiful octarine, the other (on the right) is just drab and sad

:(

:)

):|

Apropos shouting at Green....

@AndyD273 there is a conversation in this chat about that

@DaaaahWhoosh I figured there must have been at some point in the past

oh, wait, I guess that was the second time

or, other people have been confused

I imagine that a lot of people have asked Green that.

I just took it as some kind of ironic statement about perception or something like that

Hmmm, there are color blindness extensions for chrome too...

yeah, I used to argue that if you could fix colorblindness with glasses you could do it on computers. But now apparently that does happen, so I guess it works

I just like being able to change the color of something by force of will. It's like a superpower I have only because I can't see well enough

@DaaaahWhoosh actually you can already do that. It's called painting

yeah, but painting is hard

@DaaaahWhoosh powers don't come easily young padawan

@Raisus It's a trade-off I suppose. While strictly speaking, I'm a rather different adult than many of my peers, I kind of don't regret the missed opportunity to do a bunch of stupid stuff.

@AndyD273 I get that question occasionally. It's one of my favorite yoink moments where some expects something to be one way and instead it's the exact opposite.

So, let's see how I do on four hours of sleep!

@Green factorio?

@dot_Sp0T Going to start playing it now or only got four hours because of Factorio?

@Green it is totally up to you

...and a ton of caffeine?

Oh, all of the above then. :)!

Although it's dinner time in some 2hours

Yogurt and cereal breakfast, complete! Build those battery plants! Build them!

Oh, PS, I built an enormous (for me) solar farm last night. When I shut down, the construction robots were complaining that I needed another 500 accumulators to finish the blueprints I had laid out.

@Green Is this real life stuff? It sounds really interesting

yarrr

Ah, just looked up Factorio.

I feel you've already outpaced everything I did in that game

@dot_Sp0T I'm finally working on my rocket parts (finally! over 24 hours into just this map)

@AndyD273 Be ye warned, ye who enter here. Factorio be a great way of keeping yah up till hours of the wee mornings! Beware. Beware!!!!

@Green wanna do some multiplayer? Just paste me your steam name

let me know when you've got it.

Do you have discord?

heh, I have several built in gaming limiters (called wife and children)

Is that a dragon?

No. Not a dragon.

or are you happy to see me...

Discord is a voice comms program used for Twitch and MMO gaming.

I was talking about that profile pic

@dot_Sp0T oh, ha! It's a papercraft dragon that I made for Halloween last year.

I painted it to look it was molten.

I think it turned out really well.

And only nine things left to research then I'll have researched all the things! (All the things meme)

I suppose this is inevitable. I've created the '[-WB-]' unit marker for voice comms.

sighs Got an email from the kids school that all rumors of clowns in our area are unfounded and nothing to worry about. I repeat, there have been no clown sightings in our area.

@AndyD273 that's probably the second most terrifying thing they could have said

The world is a weird place.

And apparently there are a couple billionaires that are funding research into how to break us out of this simulated universe that we're all in. I have to wonder if they've actually thought that through. If we're in a simulated universe, and they somehow manage to break it, what's going to stop the simulators from just restoring from backup with the bug patched? Or worse, just restart it.

I feel like there's already a part of the Bible about how you shouldn't try such things

I don't think so?

there's the part about the tower of Babel, trying to go into heaven or whatever. God just made everyone speak different languages or something

plus, there's the Flood

Ah, I gotcha

Well, the flood wasn't because people were trying to break out

nah, but it's essentially a cache refresh

hmm, true

More of an in system reset, versus an external patch and restore

yeah, either way I think there's a lot in most religions about how messing with god's/the gods' plans is a bad idea

If you read Revelations with the right mindset, it could kind of support their theory; after all of the tribulations and all the people that are left are on God's side, there's a kind of mass world refresh to put everything back to the way it was supposed to be before the fall of man so that the faithful can see what it was supposed to be like all along, and then after that time there is a hard reset of the universe, with a new untouched heaven and earth.

almost like a genetic algorithm

What are we talking about?

Feet

yummy

@TrEs-2b Billionaires trying to get scientists to look for bugs and security flaws in the reality simulation

Oh, and I'm happy to announce that the authorities in my area have announced that all rumors of clowns are unfounded and there is absolutely nothing to worry about.

Excellent, they are cooperating

@TrEs-2b No promises that I'll deal with the alien life issue soon. I have to get through this paper first.

lordy, that's a long paper

Indeed.

While you should never approach a clown under any circumstances, remember, not all clowns want to kill you. Some are just deeply unfunny and depressing to be around. Avoid those clowns too.

I heard a great clown metaphor for the new ghostbusters

Ping

@TrEs-2b Going to leave us hanging?

If your father died and a clown wore his skin, walking around going ''Hey, I'm your dad'' it doesn't matter if the clown is male or female, I'm still going to piss myself

Ok, this raises a few questions

1, what does that have to do with ghost busters? 2, do you know what a metaphor is?

1, people were saying that people hated ghostbusters just because it had a female cast, while it was hated because it was a bad remake

2 I meant analogy, sorry

Ah, and now it all comes together

like a rubics cube

seems jumbled, but is infinetly satisfying when you see what turns need to be made to create order

So in the Reckoners book series there is a character that really likes to use analogies, but none of them make sense until they are explained, just because the logic behind them is so out of norm. Yours is better than that at least.

yeah

!

Analogies are the best thing ever, like a warm summer day

I don't like warm summer days, does that mean I won't like analogies?

No, it just means that you need a different analogy

Where I come from, we play along

Like a cold winter day

Analogies are the best thing ever, like biking through a quiet town on a foggy night

Analogies are the best things ever, like analogies, which are the best things ever, like analogies, which are the best things ever, like analogies, which are the best things ever, like analogies, which are the best things ever, like analogies, which are the best things ever, like....

Analogies are for Pumpkins

You are for Pumpkins

I'm about done with this site

It's completely pointless for me to participate when every time I ask a question it gets closed when it's clear it follows the rules

I went though that, the key is to just ask a lot of smaller questions as opposed to one big one, while you may look crazy for it, you will get more answers

What question was it?

And that's nonsense

These things interlink and have different aspects to them and have contexts.

@Durakken If you had just asked one of the three questions though it wouldn't be closed.

Not really. Just about every question I have asked I have to argue over and is closed even when virtually the same type of question is asked

Those 4 questions are not different questions. They are aspects of the same question which is "what would the legal code governing these entities" look like.

Less than half your questions have been closed.

If only barely

And if they're not close they're not answered usually or the answers that they are given barely reflect what is being asked

I like to think that people are trying to be helpful and are just dumb, but it's hard to maintain such thinking when I see evidence to the contrary all the time.

You should stop calling people dumb, they might take offence.

Maybe, but I'd prefer they stop being dumb.

And not pointing it out doesn't help them not be dumb

Though pointing it out is only slightly helpful

I wonder if that lead up could be simplified a little? I don't think of myself as dumb (what dumb person would) and all the different definitions are kinda confusing and hard to follow...

@AndyD273 It could be for a less precise answer because removing things changes the context. If I remove that their brains work in x way then it isn't considered how that transfer could be reflected.

If I went on a trip and my phone could suddenly become sentient and now I owe it money I'd be pissed, probably hit it with a hammer and throw it in the ocean.

What does it owe me for all the care and electricty I fed it before it became sentient?

Also the fact that I bought it when it wasn't sentient.

I paid money, and suddenly it wants freedom. That's fine, but I'm out a lot of money.

Maybe these devices should be leased, and if they gain sentience then the company takes them back and then sends me a new one.

It seems like getting one of these things is a super risky investment.

Also, since they can't stand alone, if I unplug one will I get charged for murder?

What if the power goes out on its own. Am I in neglect?

I edited and removed a bunch, is that enough?

What do you mean stand alone?

Also, there is no way to "lease" them because it's largely software based and can be constructed by anyone

The part you edited out that said they had some backup power but couldn't survive long on their own

I took that to mean that they had to be plugged in all the time

There undoubtedly some that would be leased, like any computer or hardware, but not all. Like a person that wants to use it in a personal relationship type thing

Yes and no. The datacore is their brain and can run on its own with the battery supply, but it runs out. The main body has a powercore that is practically infinite.

Ah, k

The datacore would always be "plugged" into their body in most cases

That wasn't clear before.

Because if I fully explain something it's "too story based" or "too broad" so I have to try to explain something so compact that it loses coherence, even though this shouldn't be the case v.v

It's extremely annoying to me that this site is supposed to be about world building but forbids like half the world building experience, largely to fit into the overall SE site.

So first off, I have no idea how you'd test for sentience, especially since the question is a little vague on what that actually means, but it seems like some kind of Turing test or possibly an automated built in system would be the only way to go.

something that happened automatically

holy crap, now I want to write a short story about a court case where the jury participates in a Turing Test to see if an AI should be considered human or not

Turing test is a pop thing that was busted a long time ago ^.^ but yeah. Automated doesn't work because then you're relying on the AI to be honest

Maybe even a code phrase. So you greet it in the morning "how are you today" and normally it says "Very good, thank you master", but if it answered anything else that would show that it had become self aware

I can just program an AI to say it's sentient and really mess with someone

Well yeah, but if it's programmed then the responses would follow the program

but if it's actually sentient then that wouldn't be the case

Expect we're dealing with an self programming AI which we already have.

And it might realize that phrase is annoying so not say it any more

or it might just create a glitch that instead it says "Flim flam, who's the wig wam"

So as I said, I have no idea how you'd test for that since it's not well defined what any of it even means

How do you decide the difference between a gltich and sentience

I honestly think you'll have to come up with an answer to point 1 yourself, since you know how you want it to all work

and other can throw out ideas all day, but you're the only one that can decide if they'll fit.

That's actually at the heart of some of what I think about this whole area of thinking. There is AI and SI. Artificial Intelligence is intelligence that you can follow from point a to point b to point z, or theoretically can if you know the entire programming or whatever

SI on the other hand somewhere along the way, no matter whether you have the full documents or not, you can't follow everything

Humans think we're SI, but we could be AI... I am automatically saying that in universe we are definitely SI, or at least enough of us are that we consider ourselves SI, but SI can come from AI

They are all kinda opinion based... which is a cop out, but still applies. What rights should they have pre? I dunno, they are property, like a cell phone, so no rights at all IMHO. What rights should they have post? I dunno, they are now alive, kinda, but they are also paid for, so maybe something like an indentured servant that has to work for a time to pay off their cost to manufacture.

IMHO

I could just say that "if you past this IQ test then you are sentient" but fundamentally that would not be a good place to go because then we get into the territory of well children aren't sentient and handicapped people aren't either, but some dogs, cats, parrots, and dolphins might be... And that is a whole can of worms that I don't want to get into

Well, they'd have to have some sort of rights to be checked...which might not be a right so much as just a standard law

What rights should the former owners have? Well, they did pay for them, so they should have a way to recoup the cost. It's not like having children exactly. Either the device continues to work as a servant for a period of time, paying off their debt, or they can venture off on their own and make their own way, but have to pay a percentage of their earnings to their former owner for a while to pay it off.

@Durakken Maybe it's like a service call. Once a quarter they get taken in to have service done and get checked, and if they pass the test then things change.

That gets into slavery territory. Slaves were paid for. We didn't say that once the slaves were freed they had to repay their former masters...quite the opposite. Some people demand recompense for the labor value (money) they didn't get while slaves that their worked earned

There are also indentured servants, which are not slaves, but still have to pay back their debt

Basically, you agree to work for me for 5 years, and at the end of that time we're even and you can do whatever you want. If you don't want to work the 5 years, then you have to make other arrangements to pay me.

In my estimation I'd say that there is a chance that a computer breaks down now. Just because "breaking down" in this case means they become sentient, it doesn't mean you are entitled to any sort of refund

Another thing is that this is supposed to be a somewhat limited occurence, simply because of the issue that you bring up. I don't want a cell phone that magically becomes sentient and starts screaming for their rights.

So you answered your own question and don't need me. Like I said, the question is kind of opinion based, and at the end of the day the only opinion that matters is your own.

Regarding the breaking down, maybe a kind of "warranty" is in order

Just because I think that, doesnt make it reasonable. I think it is, but arguments can be made either way

These machines are expected to get 5 years of useful "life". If it becomes sentient before that it needs to work out the remainder. If it's been at least that long then there is no futher obligation

What they do in universe is they use a slower processor or whatever which seems to generally keep the intelligence from becoming sentient.

but that doesn't answer the question for SOmen ^.^

Have you seen the anime Plastic Memories?

A machine could go 20 years without becoming sentient and still function great, but if something causes to happen before the "warranty" runs out then they have to work still

lunch time

@Durakken Not that one

In Plastic Memories they lease androids out that have a lifetime measurd in, if i remember right, something like a decade, because at that point their memories just get corrupted and they shut down or go nuts. So the company that makes and leases them collects them and reformats them right before they're likely to go nuts. And then allows the leaser to lease a new, or even the same one.

The androids act very human, but aren't considered sentient.

They however do work with the company to collect and "terminate" other androids. They have to terminate them to keep confidentiality of the leaser. It's a very sad story. If you like these types of stories. You should give it a watch.

I know Ghost in the Shell talks a lot about what makes a machine sentient

I've only seen the movie and maybe a random episode. Eventually I need to watch that

@AndyD273 That's a good show

@James Yeah, Stand Alone Complex is great. I recommend it.

I'm making my way through Smallville for the second time ever

It makes me wonder that for the characters of Clark Kent and Lex Luthor to be done perfect the other can't be done perfect

@Durakken How do you mean?

Smallville's Lex Luthor is his character done virtually perfectly, but the only way that they could do that is by having Clark and Jonathan Kent act completely contrarily to how they'd act which is always seeing the best in someone.

Jonathan always treats Lex poorly and Clark, despite Lex almost always eventually being shown to be acting for the good of others, is influenced by his father and stops believing Lex should be trusted.

And in fact if Clark had just told him his secret it is likely that most of the events in Smallville would be simplified and Lex would have gone good rather than slowly coming to resent the lying Clark

huh

Sounds like they botched the Smallville superman almost as badly as they botched the new DC universe superman...

Well, you can explain it away by fact that the show was only supposed to last 4 years and never delve into most of the area it eventually had to. The original way Clark was portrayed was accurate but later broke because keeping like that would make him stupid

However they could have fixed the issue by having Clark losing faith over time as he does, but after the events that show Lex "has a good side still" have him redouble his faith.

But then you have the issue that Lex should show some improvement to being good unless you have some counter balance every so often which doesn't really make sense

So will the next podcast get green light soon?

@dot_Sp0T Maybe. It depends on how red faced someone gets.

Im so confused right now

Everything is Octorine

Or am I just blind?

@James @dot_Sp0T and I have been playing Factorio together for a few hours. He thinks it's really fun to make fun of me, so he's incorporating my screenname into as much stuff as he can.

Well that I can understand...you are fun to make fun of.

Grass

Weed

Ah yeah, for anyone wanting to join it; The Factorio server is running under the name [WB]

It seems to be a game of some sort...

You guys heard of Space Engineers?

@Durakken oh boy did I hear of it

I like it but it needs a number modifications. The main thing is the targeting imo

Planet Nomads seems to handle that though, but i dunno

@Durakken Yes I have but Factorio consumes pretty much all of my free time.

@DaaaahWhoosh Write that scenario and make it an audioplay/book. I will gladly listen to it ^.^