The Factory Floor

Gryphon

12:28 AM

@Green So my country invented a horrifyingly toxic poison. Umm... yay I guess?

Shalvenay

@Gryphon more like discovered

Gryphon

1:50 AM

@Shalvenay Fair point.

Green

@Gryphon um, mine invented nukes, perfected modern imperialism, toxic capitalism and mass firearm manufacturing. You can be worse off than me.

Can't be*

dot_Sp0T

7:30 AM

@AndyD273 oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy oh boy

Mephistopheles

9:21 AM

@Shalvenay I'm not gonna lie, I don't understand 2/3 of this:

Mithrandir24601

@Shalvenay some hours later... Rytsas!

Mephistopheles

10:16 AM

Aaand the climb rate is in the negative. * Explodes *

JDługosz

Howdy y'all

Mephistopheles

@JDługosz Having "fun" with Flight

JDługosz

@Mephistopheles What is Flight ?

Mephistopheles

@JDługosz See my message to @Shalvenay

JDługosz

@Mephistopheles I saw the dialog box screenshot you posted. But I don’t know what that's a part of.

Ever use Kerbel Space Program?

Mephistopheles

10:27 AM

@JDługosz Its a program that allows you to model bird flight.

JDługosz

Neat.

Mephistopheles

10 mins ago, by Mephistopheles

Aaand the climb rate is in the negative. * Explodes *

Yeah, I tried to use it for calculating stuff about my dragons, see result above

JDługosz

I watch my pet, and it’s fascinating how he reconfigures surfaces to change flight modes or situations. Our airplanes are so brutish in comparison!

Mephistopheles

@JDługosz And what is it?

JDługosz

@Mephistopheles Like the Wright Brothers figured out, what you need is sufficient power to weight. Or, with enough power, you can get anything to fly.

@Mephistopheles You would't believe a dragon, would you? :)

@Mephistopheles Diamond is Pionus chalcopterus.

He insisted on making cameo appearances when I was trying to narrate my latest video.

Mephistopheles

10:33 AM

@JDługosz Sure, because packing ~100 kg of anaerobic muscle in the pectorals, finding materials that can resist the forces the wing will be subjected to, then optimizing the creature for terrestrial lifestyle, as well as making it spit hydrogen peroxide is so easy.

JDługosz

@Mephistopheles You need to make the different amazing things into one solution. What if breathing fire (or whatever it is) is enabled because of the turbo-charged flight? It is a re-purposing of metabolism or features needed for flight.

You know, if they can create their own updrafts by setting fires, that could be a reason for burning things.

Mephistopheles

@JDługosz Setting wise, dragons were meant to be a melting pot of each and every single clever biological trick in existence, so nope?

JDługosz

Did you see my video link when I posted the other day? (6 minutes long)

Mephistopheles

@JDługosz Yeah, I thought about that

@JDługosz I saw the link but was in school so, not really

JDługosz

There was a question on WB some time ago about biological control of deutronim fusion power. That would be enough energy!

@Mephistopheles I’d appreciate if if you could watch it some time, and share it. I'm trying to build a new channel, from zero.

Mephistopheles

10:40 AM

@JDługosz Okay, my dragons are large, but not THAT large. It's not really advised in a world with Davy Crooket portable mini-nuke launchers.

@JDługosz link to channel?

JDługosz

@Mephistopheles In general, how far off are you on power/weight requirements? How’s it compare to Argentavis magnificens ?

Mephistopheles

@JDługosz It compares more to the Quetzalcoatlus northropi

But

Built similarly to a horse, with tail and an elongated neck

JDługosz

Their flight geometry is totally different from Aves.

Mephistopheles

180 cm at the shoulders

180 cm neck+head length

180 cm body length

280 cm tail length

JDługosz

I don’t think it could flap like a bird. There is no keel bone for muscle attachment, and it would need to be very deep to deal with that wingspan.

Mephistopheles

10:46 AM

@JDługosz I mean, those are for body proportions only

JDługosz

Have you seen the animations in Walking with Dinosaurs?

Mephistopheles

@JDługosz no

I haven't

JDługosz

On NOVA a few months ago, they had an episode on Peregrine falcons. They showed a group living in Chicago! A bird on top of a chimney on a high building calmly stretched out his wings and effortlessly rose vertically. Updrafts can be a big deal when your built like a parachute.

Mephistopheles

@JDługosz Good to know

Also, I began watching your video, but I guess it's too dense for me

JDługosz

@Mephistopheles Sorry. Hopefully the simulation is majestic at least, and the gags are good?

Mephistopheles

10:59 AM

@JDługosz Huh? If you're talking about Flight, then I'm still reading the manual

JDługosz

@Mephistopheles No, you said my video was too dense.

Mephistopheles

@JDługosz Well, it was astrology in a foreign language.

JDługosz

@Mephistopheles Or just shadow puppets on a grand scale? (See the post-credit gag)

Mephistopheles

@JDługosz Now I just want to kill myself. Anyway, Viharmester (translates to Storm master, I snatched it from a Doctor Who episode) just subscribed to you and rang the notification bell.

JDługosz

@Mephistopheles Cool, thanks, neat handle. But what's with the suicide?

Mephistopheles

11:11 AM

@JDługosz It's my generic reaction.

JDługosz

@Mephistopheles To shadow puppets of the gods?

@Mephistopheles Hmm, I don’t find “Viharmester” in Dr.Who, except for an adventure game. Ah, maybe it was something else in English?

Mephistopheles

@JDługosz What god are you tal... AARGHH

JDługosz

@Mephistopheles Maybe I'll use that as the out-tro from now on

Mephistopheles

@JDługosz I dunno, maybe it was only in the Hungarian dub.

JDługosz

Discworld (world)

The Discworld is the fictional setting for all of Terry Pratchett's Discworld fantasy novels. It consists of a large disc (complete with edge-of-the-world drop-off and consequent waterfall) resting on the backs of four huge elephants which are in turn standing on the back of an enormous turtle, named Great A'Tuin (similar to Chukwa or Akupara from Hindu mythology) as it slowly swims through space. The Disc has been shown to be heavily influenced by magic and, while Pratchett has given it certain similarities to planet Earth, he has also created his own system of physics for it. Pratchett first...

The preview doesn't link to the right fragment, but shows the top. Great A'Tuin is what I wanted to link to.

Mephistopheles

11:22 AM

@JDługosz I first thought it was Maturin, but ok.

JDługosz

@Mephistopheles So, is that your youtube stuff by that name?

Mephistopheles

stephenking.fandom.com/wiki/Maturin

@JDługosz It is, I guess.

JDługosz

@Mephistopheles Same thing. You’d need spectroscopic analysis to determine which mythology best matched the observation.

Mephistopheles

Damn, where is the lift coefficient?!

JDługosz

@Mephistopheles Yea, that looks like a match. Both are “modern” adaptations of that mytheme. I think the original (which includes Elephants) comes from the Hindu.

Mephistopheles

11:34 AM

Onto another matter, I came across this video series

A Crap Guide to D&D [5th Edition] - Paladin

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JDługosz

11:54 AM

@Mephistopheles D&D 5th edition? I remember when it was "AD&D".

Mephistopheles

12:35 PM

Finally, I found Marden's paper, maybe it'll help

@JDługosz Who cares? GURPS was always the best.

Mephistopheles

1:19 PM

Yes, the max rate of climb isn't negative now!

Because it's near zero

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Mephistopheles

On second thought, entering Witton's parameters yield an equally impossible result, therefore I fucked something up.

What was their wingbeat frequency again?

Shalvenay

1:45 PM

hey again @Mithrandir24601

Mephistopheles

2:02 PM

Ah. no joy there, it won't go above. At least even at 440 kg dragons would be decent gliders.

@Shalvenay What's with this "hey again"? I've never seen it being used anywhere else.

Shalvenay

@Mephistopheles I had greeted him yesterday, and his reply was delayed

Mephistopheles

@Shalvenay Oh, ok.

I just go back to Flight

do you think a glide ratio of 11 is good?

Shalvenay

@Mephistopheles 11:1? that's pretty decent, comparable to most smaller aircraft (although not as good as airliners at cruise these days)

(also roughly comparable to birds)

Mephistopheles

@Shalvenay Oh, nice.

Shalvenay

does that program spit out a thrust-to-weight ratio or some sort of thrust-equivalent value btw?

Mephistopheles

2:14 PM

So, I've been messing around with this program called Flight, and for some odd reason, masses at 250 kg and 440 kg have their max rate of climb stuck at 0,0000209 m/s

@Shalvenay Nope.

Shalvenay

@Mephistopheles drat.

Mephistopheles

@Shalvenay Huh?

Shalvenay

@Mephistopheles it would be useful for judging their takeoff performance, at least somewhat. then again, flying critter launching is more of a "jump" than a run, unless you're an albatross

Mephistopheles

@Shalvenay Wait, how much does running away help?

I should rephrase that

Shalvenay

@Mephistopheles more like a running leap vs a stationary one :)

Mephistopheles

2:20 PM

@Shalvenay Okay, any idea about the 0,0000209 m/s?

Shalvenay

@Mephistopheles no clue

Mephistopheles