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1:29 AM
@Zxyrra This is a global site. There were medieval periods in other parts of the world. While conflating Medieval Europe with the Middle Ages makes some sense, it does close off the possibility about what happening in other parts of the world during the Middle Ages (during that specific time period). The two tags can be kept for clarity and precision.
 
@a4android My arguement is not that the terms are synonymous - it's that all medieval europe questions fit within middle ages yet no other tags specify regions for that time period
So it seems almost too specific to have an extra tag just for the region of Europe
 
 
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8:00 AM
@Zxyrra @a4android According to the Oxford dictionary, the Middle Ages is: The period of European history from the fall of the Roman Empire in the West (5th century) to the fall of Constantinople (1453), or, more narrowly, from c.1000 to 1453., so the Middle Ages is specifically European. The question is, is it from ~500-1500 or ~1000-1500? (I'd propose the latter). Note: there is also a tag for general medieval times
(technically, the dark ages are ~500-~1100 and the middle ages are ~1100-1453)
whereas 'medieval history' is the history of the period from the 5th to the 15th centuries
 
The period of time between the fall of the Roman Empire and the start of the Medieval period is known as the "Dark Ages" (at least in England). However, I think that the medieval tag still covers it effectively.
 
@Pᴇᴛᴇ Almost - The dark ages is between the fall of the Roman Empire (in the West) (~500) and the Middle Ages, while medieval history is both the dark and middle ages
 
Ah, the Middle Ages. Forgot about them. I think I last read that term at school.
 
8:15 AM
Although it seems that the Early middle age is synonymous with the dark age...(?)
Or maybe not: Yale has an open course entitled: 'The Early Middle Ages, 284–1000'
 
8:28 AM
Here in the UK, history programmes on TV simply refer to the century/ies in question which gets rid of a lot of confusion.
 
8:39 AM
i thought the middle ages refer to the age of about 40
 
 
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12:10 PM
ugh, I hate it when I find a question that needed a close and tidy up but loads of people alerady answered it and it's impossible to fix without invalidating a bunch of the answers :(
worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/69264/… - what do people think? Is it worth trying to do a retrospective cleanup on this one?
 
1:00 PM
Before you replied to it, it had been dead for almost a week. I'd be tempted to let sleeping dogs lie....
 
@TimB if the question needs to be cleaned up and needs further detail then edit it by all means. it is not the fault of the question if someone answers something half-baked
 
@JourneymanGeek Reminds me of bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38803939
 
@Pᴇᴛᴇ other than the generally accepted fact that my ava and occationally my running gags are canine in origin ;p
 
going back to the European - history related tags
It is already clear that nearly every word used to describe this time period referencers Europe
So is there any use keeping medieval-europe?
As opposed to medieval / middle-ages / etc?
 
1:12 PM
Medieval China is also a common thing.
Doesn't really have to be Europe
 
There are no tags for China or Asia as regions, let alone during medieval times
Simply removing medieval-europe or merging with middle-ages or medieval would give it the ambuguity to cover that region should someone want to tag it
but it's kind of weird to have such a specific category under that time period when no other categories have been tagged
 
Native America, Inca, Aztec, Maya, Sanskrit, all the same kind of time period.
Maybe not Sanskrit, but there was stuff going on in India, etc. Let's call it "Persia" for want of a better description (which I don't have).
 
1:46 PM
It doesn't really matter how niche the area is in real life, if it's useful to have different tags for the different questions. In other words, if there are lots of questions specifically about the middle ages and other questions about the medieval period in general, but not necessarily the middle ages, then keep them both
Although I do think that it would be nice if we had subset tags, like electricity is a subset of electromagnetism
 
2:05 PM
@Mithrandir24601 i do see the appeal. but there's not really enough call for it
 
2:37 PM
Good morning. How's the good question/bad question drama today?
 
Howdy and same question.
 
Howdy. There are no bad questions, only bad answers.
 
@Pᴇᴛᴇ You're so tempting me right now to say that's a bad answer to my good question.
 
Woot for not being able to downvote in chat....!
 
Heheh.
 
2:42 PM
I just hit the "Taylor Swift" part of my work playlist, they're ain't nuthin' can bring me down for the rest of the afternoon...
 
@JourneymanGeek please tell me you have a script waiting for "sleeping dogs lie" so you can post things like that
 
@RoryAlsop >_>
@RoryAlsop oddly enough, no
 
@JourneymanGeek you were actually just here waiting anyway
:-)
nice
 
@RoryAlsop least until I get a job again ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek you between jobs at the moment?
 
2:45 PM
@RoryAlsop yup
and just had a 2 places try a bait and switch with the same job I suspect
 
@JourneymanGeek that sucks. anything potentially good on the horizon?
 
@RoryAlsop not at the moment
 
@JourneymanGeek fingers crossed for something quickly then. What is the market like near you? Or are you able to do remote
 
@RoryAlsop market seems terrible
Remote's ok, but as a non coder...
 
@JourneymanGeek Que? Bait and switch a job? Like have you apply for one job and then offer you another?
 
2:48 PM
@NexTerren yes
both both companies claim they have the same job and client
 
...I guess it makes sense that happens, but this is the first time I've heard of it.
 
which seems shifty
 
Hmm
 
@JourneymanGeek maybe they both do. Some agencies here will hunt for candidates for the same job and fight each other for the placement fees
 
@RoryAlsop both claim they could't get in touch with the client
 
2:49 PM
that sounds dodgy then
I'd steer clear
 
one abruptly then said they said the client declined
yup
I'm looking at tech support jobs locally, preferably jr sysadmin type stuff with training though
Pity my SU rep dosen't count for anything
 
@JourneymanGeek Wait... what do you mean that it "doesn't count for anything...?"
 
@JourneymanGeek It does - it's an indicator and a conversation piece. Not much more, unfortunately.
 
@RoryAlsop depends on the place I suppose, but I'd need to get past the HR drones
 
I'd use it as an opportunity to say "so, your top tags are x, y and z so tell me more about..."
@JourneymanGeek yeah, that's where professional certs count
 
2:54 PM
@RoryAlsop when one hits that stage
I need to work on that but job -2 paid for my degree. Job -1 was 2 months working my ass off.
One of the things I'm trying to do is get a professional cert + placement thing
which is what I was talking to those companies about
 
@JourneymanGeek I do a big pitch to universities on the value of getting their grads to leave uni with at least one professional cert, as a degree usually just means "can learn" to an employer
 
@RoryAlsop I feel like that's questionable advice.
 
@NexTerren I've been asked that at an interview so... actually its not a bad one
 
@NexTerren I do a lot of outreach with universities and it stacks up so far
 
2:58 PM
also, I do believe @RoryAlsop kinda knows both sides of what he's talking about.
 
Not that certs are bad--they're not; they're useful--but a uni degree can do you well. Most of my fellow graduates didn't have a single cert and we all got multiple job offers out of uni.
 
@NexTerren I'm not saying do it instead of a degree! God no. But as well as. A degree is often essential (I've hired people with computing, bilogy, law, you name it)
 
@NexTerren got a degree. WOrked my butt off.
not helped much
 
@JourneymanGeek Interesting. Do you mind if I ask what you got it in, and from where?
 
I got my job without a professional cert, but it was a slog at times
 
2:59 PM
@NexTerren Dual Major, Computer Forensics and Information Security Management and management.
 
I'm no pedigree student, just a state college (MSU), a computer/businesses degree, and a good GPA.
 
Was a pain though, I'm not a classroom environment sorta guy, and that management major was not my cup of tea.
 
I got the job I have now because I was an intern for the company first. So I'd recommend at least getting an internship before getting out of school
 
Hmm
AFK meeting
 
@JourneymanGeek you could self study something like CEH or Cybersecurity Fundamentals from ISACA. Yes they are both basic, entry level ones, but they are easy, and HR will have them on their lists
 
3:00 PM
Oh, yes. Internships are a must.
 
@RoryAlsop oddly enough, I'm not actually looking at security - more interested in the sysadmin side of things, but that dosen't exist here it seems.
 
@JourneymanGeek okay. Can you self study any networking or server certs (Cisco, Oracle, Linux, MS)?
 
@RoryAlsop going to be looking at that
Might need to talk to the parentals about money though
 
@JourneymanGeek heh - I started as a sysadmin (from an Engineering degree) and ended up here
 
@RoryAlsop Its what I want to do.
I mean, I can do desktop support
but its boring
and for some reason I'm not getting anyone getting back to me on those.
 
3:06 PM
Morning peoples
 
@JourneymanGeek - How about a DevOps role? Would that interest you?
 
@Pᴇᴛᴇ "devops" ...
 
@James o/
 
Well, if you mean a sysadmin working in the same team as developers - sure.
From what I've absorbed though, the competancies, and ways of thinking are different.
 
Yes, but it's about being multi-skilled. Some development, some sysadmin, software delivery etc. At least then you can develop core skills in various areas and decide what direction you want to take from there.
 
3:11 PM
ah! I've tried to learn programming. I'm just a little crap at it
 
Try scripting. Automating backups/installations using command scripts. Some of those install scripts can be procedural in nature.
 
heh. Yeah, I can throw little things together as needed
and at the very least manage to do a basic design document on things I need
 
Yeah, documentation is always a thing.
 
Oh, I am very good at the sort of documentation you need when setting up things
or describing problems
 
Warning: Every organization seems to have a different definition of what devops is. It's a bit of a running joke.
 
3:19 PM
@NexTerren I kinda like the definition in the Pheonix Project
and appreciation of the book is improved by reading "The Race"
 
@NexTerren latest industry presentation I went to on DevOps: "it's about agile and Docker"
 
Which it references a lot.
 
@JourneymanGeek Pheonix Project? I can't say I'm aware of this.
 
@RoryAlsop I actually feel in some ways an over-reliance on containers for deployment is terrible
 
@JourneymanGeek yup - from a security perspective it's an "eggs in one basket" scenario if an exploit is developed
 
3:20 PM
@RoryAlsop its "good" in the sense you have a predictable environment
 
@JourneymanGeek and it is quick
 
but to me actually being able to set up something from scratch is an essential aspect of good documentation and maintainabiity.
For a programmer though, they write it, they can deploy it. And that's roughly it.
@NexTerren its an interesting read.
It talks about devops in terms of a melding of specialisations, rather than creating a whole load of generalists.
 
@JourneymanGeek I might have to put it on my to-read list, but right now I have too many books/tools/etc more directly related to my job.
Looks like a good read, though...
 
I'm not sure I'd want to read that book, I read books to separate myself from work. Maybe I'm not enough of a geek.
 
3:26 PM
@Pᴇᴛᴇ There's no shame in that.
For some people excelling at work is a passion and a hobby. Thus they spend their passion/hobby time on it. For others, their interests lie elsewhere, and that's perfectly fine as well.
 
@Pᴇᴛᴇ I do that a lot too.
I'd rather do than read or sit in a class, but stuff like that is useful for "a way of thinking"
 
I've been in the computer industry for about 30 years now, it's more of a job than a passion these days. Well, I was never that passionate about it.
 
@pe
@Pᴇᴛᴇ I'm mostly self taught. I wouldn't know shit if I wasn't passionate
 
"Book of 5 Rings" was my "way of thinking" book years ago. I've not read it since I shredded my feet away learning Kendo.
 
Besides, the only other thing I seem to be good with is dogs and moderation ;p
and some may disagree on the latter...
 
3:34 PM
@JourneymanGeek - I don't notice your moderation, which means you're doing it perfectly.
Bad moderators are usually seen wielding a scythe and spitting tobacco at newbs...
 
@Pᴇᴛᴇ I tend to believe the secret to moderation is to flow like a mountain spring, and to crash down like a tsunami ;)
 
@JourneymanGeek So what you're saying is that you're all wet?
3
 
also for some reason I end up helping run quite a few communities I have been involved in over the years
@NexTerren like a dog ;p
Sometimes I even get muddy
But more that, I prefer the gentle approach rather than swinging around a rolled up newspaper
 
@JourneymanGeek I've done the same thing. I've often found myself being a moderator for communities that I've spent time in.
 
3:41 PM
I prefer to be "that guy who doesn't talk much but hangs around a lot and can draw"
 
It's not exactly a difficult thing. You just have to know your subject and not be a dick all the time.
 
4:09 PM
@NexTerren passion is pretty much why I do everything
 
@RoryAlsop why else would people work IT anyway? ;p
 
@JourneymanGeek there's bits of IT that bore me senseless... I have always avoided them
despite being quite good at some of them
 
@RoryAlsop a good chunk of my last job was moving printers.
and other things
;p
 
I'm only doing IT because I missed the enrolement day for a science course at college and a friend was signing up for IT at the time.
 
4:14 PM
@JourneymanGeek in the dim and distant past I did printer maintenance. Some of them weighed a few tons. And had 4 or even 8 print heads. Seriously heavy dot matrix guns. That was a fun job. A wee bit dangerous, and requiring protective clothing, but fun!
 
@RoryAlsop we had a delivery of.... 50 dot matrix printers.
My team lead told us to unbox em; I pointed out we had no space... he suggested we stack em up POST inboxing.
Which did not go well
also a ton of decommisioning and upgrades
 
heh
 
Hello again
 
4:32 PM
Morning/afternoon/evening all
 
So, gentlemen? Did anyone hear the news that we may have had discovered room-temperature superconductors?
 
@FutureHistorian from the hydrogen compression experiment?
 
Yes, why?
 
was wondering if there was another discovery - I have been out of touch with science for a few days
 
Because I am thinking that with that taken care of, the coilguns that both the Gdarje in the UNERU Trilogy (and Earth's reverse-engineered counterparts), and To The Planets Beyond's space forces might no longer need a coolant.
Is that accurate?
 
4:39 PM
@FutureHistorian I heard about metalic hydrogen, but last I saw they were afraid to test it because they didn't know if it was meta stable at normal atmospheric temperatures yet
 
I hope that this is true.
Because A. I have room-temperature superconductors in real life. B. I can extrapolate in my settings and C. Better rocket fuel.
 
@FutureHistorian So long as they don't suddenly turn into rocket fuel when you need them to be super conducting
 
Still, can it be used in both cases?
;)
 
I haven't read anything about it's conductivity yet
 
Well, it has been predicted to be a room-temperature superconductor.
If this prediction is true, then hello faster computer systems and more complex quantum computers.....
:D
 
4:44 PM
Hmm, according to this: http://www.nextbigfuture.com/2017/01/metallic-hydrogen-update.html
"At this time the sample has not been reported to have been removed from high pressure and has not had confirmation as a room temperature superconductor"
But the potential is still cool
 
Exactly.
If we can confirm this, then we are in for a huge surprise.
:D
 
It would change everything
 
That is until we discover human-like AI. Get it?
drums play in the background
 
But until then, big discovery of the century, gentlemen.
:D
 
4:51 PM
I don't know if that really would be that big a discovery. Especially for this century. Especially for this year :/
 
I think its use as rocket fuel is the big potential win (becuzz, ya know, explosives are more fun than superconductors)
:-)
@dot_Sp0T I think it is the biggest potential game changer this century, sure!
 
@dot_Sp0T Room temp super conducting? It would literally change everything once we can ramp up production to industrial levels
 
an actual room temp superconductor is the key to so many technologies
 
@AndyD273 I don't think it would change how we treat each other
 
@dot_Sp0T I dunno, the explosive side of it might lead to better bombs... ;-/
 
4:54 PM
@dot_Sp0T No, you'd probably still be a jerk... ;)
 
I might simply be having another existential crisis there though
 
@AndyD273 dogs would start walking on their hind legs, humans would age backwards...
 
@AndyD273 see, i don't even want to be one. I just don't manage to change
 
@DaaaahWhoosh dogs would walk on humans back legs
 
@RoryAlsop I'm starting to think we're not ready for room-temperature superconductors
 
4:56 PM
On a serious note, we lose/waste so much electricity during power transmission. If we replaced the main transmission lines with super conductors we'd be able to quarter (at least) the number of power plants pumping CO2 in to the atmosphere.
 
but then we'd lose jobs?
 
@AndyD273 or we'll just create more machines that do not use electricity efficiently because we suddenly have much more available
 
America is more concerned about jobs than the environment
 
Whenever the medium becomes better, the things using it get sloppier/worse
 
@dot_Sp0T But eventually the machines we make will get the super conductor too. Things don't always get worse. Your computer today uses a lot less power than one in the 50s, and is much more powerful.
light bulbs being powered solely by the wasted electricity from power lines
 
5:01 PM
@AndyD273 which will allow being way more wasteful when building machines
 
Same with cars. They are much more efficient and cleaner than in the 80s. There are lot of them still, so the problem hasn't gone away, but it is slowly getting better
And electric cars will be more practical too
 
Well anyways, nevermind all that
 
@dot_Sp0T That, I can do!
 
Unless we for sure have them, there is not really a point in speculating what they could make better and whatnot I guess - especially it seems that they would be linked to a range of conditions that had to be created around them first
 
@dot_Sp0T it's still sometimes nice to imagine a brighter future
 
5:10 PM
@DaaaahWhoosh sure, but I guess the timing really just messed with a downphase of mine - Please allow me to apologize
 
@dot_Sp0T We know the properties of super conductors now. Like being able to perfectly levitate a magnate, which would have hundreds of applications. So it's really easy to say exactly what will happen if we can come up with one that doesn't need to be cryogenically chilled to operate. We aren't really guessing, just waiting.
 
@dot_Sp0T in that case, I am hoping things aren't too bad on your end, though if there is anything I can do to help I would like to try to... or something
sometimes there's a way I want to say things that doesn't fit the words I have available
 
@DaaaahWhoosh nah man; I feel sorta bad for actually letting it out on here
@AndyD273 that indeed. But the quoted text seems to talk only about controlled environments, so even worse than the supercooled stuff right now
 
@dot_Sp0T makes sense, carry on then
 
On a side note, this is a really cool video with magnetic levitation.
@dot_Sp0T Yeah, it's early days, and it might not have the properties they want. I'm not actually saying people should be optimistic about THIS one working out, just saying that when one is finally discovered to work, it'll be cool
I'm a technology optimist
 
5:19 PM
@AndyD273 this looks really expensive..
@AndyD273 I get that, I just have a strong feeling of getting lost behind in tech and everything for some weird reason. I'll just be off to do some drawing :)
 
Like the EM drive. It's supposed to be tested in space sometime in the next year. Maybe it'll pan out, maybe it wont. If it works, super awesome. If not, I'm glad they at least tried it.
@dot_Sp0T Now just picture running a magnetic strip down the freeway, driving your car over it, and suddenly you're car is levitating at high speed with almost no energy cost or worry of crashing since it's like being on a rail. Or high speed levitating bullet trains. We have them now, but this would make it more economical. I hope you feel better soon.
And I was only joking with the jerk statement earlier
 
@TimB I always get really nervous when you enter the chat
 
I don't, bring on the fun :)
 
@AndyD273 the ideas and things we could do are endless. And the example is rather pleasant to the thought of any futurist, sorta reminds me of all these concepts and ideas of the future from the 70s
 
@DaaaahWhoosh Me? Why? What do I do? :o
 
5:29 PM
Also: Has anybody gotten around typing up a question on meta with the stuff that was discussed on here yesterday
?
 
@dot_Sp0T I had to take off before everything got discussed. I'm very sad I missed out on the end of the conversation.
 
@TimB dunno, I guess you're just a mod and I don't see you around here as much as, say, HDE
if Serban came 'round I think I'd get just as nervous
 
@DaaaahWhoosh but ... I'm a mod and no-one gets nervous when I turn up ...
 
@RoryAlsop but you're not our mod. And you're somewhat regular now
 
@DaaaahWhoosh lol
 
5:33 PM
You can be my mod if you want Rory, wouldn't want you feeling left out
just a flyby anyway, about to leave work
 
no - that' sfine...see if I care :-)
Ahhm naeb'dy's mod
(try that with a broad Scots accent - it'll work)
 
but... but... but... now I'm modless. Adrift rudderless in an unfriendly sea
 
@TimB pffft
it's okay - I've been working on my pan-modishness
 
caught to swirl wherever wind and tide might take me...next thing I'll be listening to alternative facts or something
 
@AndyD273 just read it up,
 
5:35 PM
anyhow, I'm offski - have fun all o/
 
you make it sound almost philosophically cool, like you'd play some Pink Floyd as backing
@TimB seeya later
 
@RoryAlsop honestly noone cares, sorry
 
@dot_Sp0T ;-P
 
pink floyd... bricks and walls... what could go wrong...?
o/
 
@TimB I'm glad you got that
 
5:36 PM
@dot_Sp0T I started to, but it's pretty long, and then I started to get frustrated because of all the stuff I want to say that it's too late to say
 
@RoryAlsop nnaibdies?
 
@dot_Sp0T aye, from the classic phrase "naeb'dy's bairn"
 
@AndyD273 it's never to late; just pick up on it - or even better first catalogue everything and condense it into a question/discussion on meta - then add your POV as an answer ;)
@RoryAlsop my brain's doing backwards flips to cope with it
 
@RoryAlsop naeb'dy's bairn where?
 
Okay, I really wanna do something that proves I am a capable and great human social being and whatnot - someone on here that wants free chocolate?
 
5:38 PM
Also I didn't get back from the hospital till 4am, and so my reasoned discussion organ is still off kilter
 
@dot_Sp0T if you had holes in your clothes (or claes) at school and looked like no-one was taking care of you, you'd be called naeb'dy's bairn - literally nobody's child
@dot_Sp0T free chocolate is always a winner
but the free chilli sweets I'm currently munching are not a bad second place
 
@RoryAlsop great, now we need some way to communicate an address where I can send it by mail
 
lol
I would imagine that would be prohibitively expensive but thankyou for the thought, that's what counts
 
@RoryAlsop not really, but it's your choice to back down - I can't force you to get free chocolate
 
@dot_Sp0T well - I'm a wee bit reticent at giving actual physical address out on t'internet
 
5:46 PM
@RoryAlsop it's totally understandable. As I said, I won't force you
 
@dot_Sp0T I might do the second part. I hesitate to just bring it up on chat right now. I've got a comment all typed out, but every time I read it over before hitting send I stop and try to rewrite it because I'm not sure how it'll come across, and it sort of seems like an unprovoked attack to my tired brain.
 
6:16 PM
@RoryAlsop Ah dinnae ken tha.
(I think.)
 
@HDE226868 Sounds about right
I'm fluent in Feegle, which is very closely related
 
Ah, Pratchett.
 
Nay king, nay queen, we wilna be foold agin.
 
6:32 PM
@AndyD273 pretty certain Sir Terry based the nac Feegle on the Glaswegians
 
@RoryAlsop The Nac Mac Feegle language is a mix of Morporkian (English), the Glaswegian dialect ("Crivens! Whut aboot us, ye daftie") and elements of Irish and Scottish Gaelic, for example Tir-far-thóinn and geas.
The kelda in Wee Free Men states that "in our tongue you'd be Tir-far-thóinn" (an alternative name for Tír na nÓg), suggesting that in private their speech may be closer to Irish or Scottish Gaelic. This is also hinted at in Wintersmith, where Nanny Ogg's Place is given as Tir Nani Ogg, exhibiting Goidelic-type head-initial compounding. They also use the Yan Tan Tethera in counting occasionally.
 
@AndyD273 And I thought Ane tane tether fether fip was down south, rather than up this neck o fthe woods
 
@RoryAlsop On a map I can cover that whole area with my thumb. That's close enough for me ;)
 
me too
 
Exactly. Can't even make out the lines from up here
And to your point, Sir Terry did borrow from all over, so you're not wrong
As a foreigner it always made me think of Scottish first, so that's what I associate it with
You don't often hear the Glaswegian on TV or elsewhere, but Scottish is much more common.
 
6:43 PM
@AndyD273 and that's a good thing
 
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Q: Can I ask others to check physics/math misconception in my plot?

fairytaleI asked a question (10k link) about an hour ago. It was downvoted to -3 so I deleted it. I explained how energy is generated in my fictional world and ask "what physics will be affected". Is this kind of question considered as bad question in this SE? Thanks. My original post: I asked this q...

 
7:05 PM
Now that's an interesting one... A well defined question that got downvoted to oblivion with no reason given... Granted, I don't know enough physics to give a meaningful answer, but I wouldn't downvote it for that. I'd just leave it for someone that's stronger in that area.
 
7:17 PM
@AndyD273 were pretty much my thoughts, I think I even upvoted it when I saw the first downvote - not sure anymore tho
 
Wonder what they mean by a "10k link"? and PatJ mentions "dumb 2k question" which sounds like a rep score.
It would really be wrong if people thought they had less value just because they haven't gotten as much rep...
 
@AndyD273 I added that. The question's deleted, so you need 10k to see it, and they hadn't added a link originally.
 
Ah
Makes more sense
Wonder if this is another case of people getting mad because OP didn't know the answer to the question before they asked it.
 
I'm reading that question now, and IMO the question has several unclear parts.
 
7:34 PM
@Aify I've seen questions (even from Mods) with unclear parts before - usually they're commented on and the unclear parts are fixed...
 
I agree
This one however, reads to be a bit too complex to fix
 
@AndyD273 The question was dumb, the 2k is fine :-p
 
I don't have the physics background to even try to find the logical loopholes in the question
What really bugs me about the question is that he says things like "I use 2 ways to suspend the Noether's theorem", and lists X and Y, but it doesn't actually explain how it suspends the theorem.
 
Same here, I don't have the knowledge to judge it, but his question looks more like a list of ideas than a proper setting.
 
Either unobtanium or magic=maths
 
7:37 PM
@PatJ Definitely agree with you there.
 
I'd have to agree - I can't actually figure out the question
 
More importantly though, the concepts he uses aren't as simple as he thinks they are. It feels wrong to me that he wants to just apply the BT Theorem (which applies to sets) to physical objects in order to suspend a law that applies specifically to physical objects.

He mentions the "radical platonism" view, which again, isn't explained in the question at all (and doesn't help to draw any conclusions either).
 
The user was asking about the consequences of their idea(s) on the general situation
 
He says that he wants to use the BTP to "prove" that there is something that can be broken into non measurable sets, but I'd argue that that's almost an application of Circular logic. "The BTP says non measurable sets can result in a theorietical x being turned into 2x, so x can be turned into 2x because of BTP"
I think another thing that might be a factor is that the answer to the other question (which is quoted in the new question) literally says that "We also need to clarify some things about the mass-energy equivalence and what we mean when we say "mass"" in order to answer the question
 
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7:48 PM
But then he says that he doesn't want to redefine "what is matter"
So in essence he's asking the exact same question as before, with more details posted, and on purpose nullifying the previous answer because the previous answer said that he would have to do something he didn't want to do in order to get a good answer.
@dot_Sp0T Also, I can't find an actual question in the deleted question.
 
I know the BT theorem cannot be applied to physical objects, because physical objects cannot be divided into non-measurable set. So I just assume that in my world there are such objects. I think the problem maybe my bad english, so my explanation was no clear.(my first language is not english)
 
@Aify check the title as well, i think, as the first or second paragraph - it's not straight out obvious but it's there
 
"So I want to ask about my energy generation mechanism in a new post. I would like to know what physics will be affected in my framework." - This reads instantly as too broad
 
the "radical platonism" is used to support the math=magic trope
 
My way of looking at it is in essence: you've found a magical way of violating noether's theorem for mass. What are the consequences?
 
7:53 PM
@Mithrandir24601 I would also instantly VTC that as too broad
We VTC questions that ask "what are the effects of X on Society" as too broad, and now you want to ask an open ended question of "what are the consequences?"?
If asking about all of Society is too broad, asking about the consequences of all of Physics (which is much more complex and broad), let alone an open ended one of "what are the consequences [implied "of everything"]" is even more broad.
 
@Aify that's another issue entirely. just wanted to point out the question part :)
 
@dot_Sp0T That's not a properly formed question, btw. I don't see a question mark.
 
Yeah, it's too broad due to the use of the word 'consequences' - a better way of putting it would be along the lines of 'what physics have a violated in order to break energy conservation' Like by breaking the symmetry of free space, you violate momentum conservation
 
Literally, there is not a single question mark in the deleted post.
 
@Aify that's just nitpicking
 
7:56 PM
@dot_Sp0T That's another issue entirely, just wanted to point out that there's still no question ;)
 
@fairytale Breaking mass conservation means breaking energy conservation, which means that you've broken the symmetry of time
 
" I would like to know what physics will be affected in my framework." is not a question. Neither is "So I want to ask about my energy generation mechanism in a new post"
 
@Aify a question can entirely be implied. it is a property of language to allow this
 
"That's another issue entirely." More to the point, the question is still too broad and unclear
 
Never said anything averse to that
 
7:58 PM
@Aify It's a specific thing due to Noether's theorem - breaking a symmetry breaks a conservation, so a yet better idea of what I mean is 'what symmetry have I broken in order to get this breaking of this specific conservation law?'
 
@fairytale If you want an answer grounded in physics which takes into accounts the objects that your world has objects that can be divided into non-measurable sets, you must define how that object can be divided and what you mean by mass
 
the reason of saying "doesn't want to redefine "what is matter" ": Physical objects are formed by atoms, but not infinite points, so we cannot cut the physical objects into non-measurable set, but I don't want to say "now everything is not formed by atoms", I think this will bring more trouble.
 
So much of modern physics is based upon the very rules that you are trying to violate. Do you understand the complexity of what you're asking?
 
Right: Mass is a form of energy. Breaking conservation of energy means breaking the symmetry of time. It's perfectly valid, just not seen in the real world
 
@Mithrandir24601 the forth point is my attempt to solve this problem (the symmetry of time)
@Aify ok, i will consider about that
 
8:04 PM
"It is just like what happened in the creation of the universe". This seems eerily accurate
 
In any case, I've read the question at least 7 times and spent around half an hour researching the concepts brought up and their relationships with each other, and the question is still horribly unclear to me. Even if I didn't VTC it as Too Broad, at this point, I wouldve VTC'd it as unclear.

To me, the -3 on the deleted post makes sense.
 
The issue you feel may be with the fact that this question is a rather theoretical one while most questions on here feel like rehashes of things almost everyone chatting in here has thought about at least once
 
@fairytale I think, if you want an answer, you need to explain the level of physics that you're talking about - as in, at a fundamental level, the only 'law' of physics that this is breaking is the symmetry of time, which the second law of thermo. says isn't symmetric... Everything else seems sound fundamental physics, although I'm not an expert, and it's not something I would ever, ever expect to see
 
@Mithrandir24601 I think the spacetime is created in the big bang. correct me if it is wrong
 
@fairytale I don't know, but I would guess that the answer is unkown
I mean, what to you mean by spacetime - do you mean our universe (or multiverse if you're that way inclined)?
Maybe explaining what I just said a bit better: at a fundamental physics/mathematical level, I can't think of a reason that it doesn't work. Whereas at an experimental physics level, you'd be insane to even think of such a thing
 
8:12 PM
@Aify as you say, the question is very complex, so I read many materials, including books and college physics/math lecture notes, then I tried to build up a setting, but I afraid that I have misunderstanding about those physics/math concept, so I asked the question
 
Complex is right: mass itself actually arises from symmetry breaking, except at a fundamental level
 
@Mithrandir24601 I think...yes? Before the big bang, the universe doesn't exist
 
I can go with that
No guarantees that it's right, but it's a fair assumption
 
8:30 PM
@fairytale "Physical objects are formed by atoms, but not infinite points" is extremely important - using "the Banach-Tarski Paradox to "prove" that there is something can be broken into non-measurable sets in my fictional world" is... iffy... Very iffy...
Having said that, it's magic so "I've magically found a way to create mass from nothing" is (to me, at least) a valid starting point on WB. Just don't include the tag...
 
Why I do this complex thing: I saw many criticism on stories with physical explanation on magic. For example, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Certain_Magical_Index . In this story, consciousness can control the outcome of wave function (control the probability amplitude), so there is magic. (to be continue in next message)
Originally, I also used this way to explain my magic. I read few book chapters about quantum and linear algebra, I found that I'm completely wrong, and the explanation in A_Certain_Magical_Index is also wrong.
But, I think that the criticism was too heavy. if there is something wrong, it is ok to say, however, teasing the author makes me feel sorry to the author of A_Certain_Magical_Index, because not everyone studied physics in university. So I want to make a setting without physics misconception, I want to tell those people: it is possible to make such setting.
@Mithrandir24601 I think i used wrong word, it is not a prove, "there exists something can be broken into non-measurable sets" is the axiom in my world (I hope i used the right word)
or premise
 
8:49 PM
Also: I've got to say it: for the 'doubling Earth's mass' question, I disagree with the first part of the answer that you've accepted: It's magic, so it's allowed to convert energy into mass with 100% efficiency (or so close that the difference in energy is negligible). And a technical point: the term 'rest mass' is outdated. Apart from that, it's a good answer to my mind
 
thanks for your reminder. I was thinking about the work done of the magic may increase the earth mass so I asked that question.
 
I'm the wrong person to talk to about explaining magic as physics - I believe that if something's magic, it's not physics, as (part of) my definition of magic is 'something that can't be explained by physics'
@fairytale the "there exists something can be broken into non-measurable sets" is still a fundamental issue - it's infinitely small, so has infinitely uncertain momentum (or quantum physics is invalid, which if anything, is much, much worse). But having infinitely uncertain momentum is difficult to talk about thanks to special relativity. Might not be impossible, but...
 
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