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12:00 AM
@FerretCivilization how're things going?
 
There going, how about for you? Where's your hat, ha.
 
@FerretCivilization haven't bothered uploading an avatar to enhatten :P
 
@FerretCivilization -- you know what baffles me? how one can walk into a million dollar house and find Code violations the inspector missed...
 
It does, ha.
 
12:25 AM
hey there @Green
@FerretCivilization because I've done that on open houses out here. it just goes to show you how cheaply built a new house is, and it's like why?!
 
Rising costs and greed with the green. Anything one can do to cut corners and get away with it, you will probably find it done.
 
@FerretCivilization I mean, why do buyers accept such? not knowing any better?
 
The original buyer probably wanted it that way to save money. Follow up people probably do not know better.
There are also the do it yourself people or people with poor education on the subject doing building work.
 
my theory is that realtors have gotten into this bad habit of selling glitter, and builders get into this bad habit of building glitter
@FerretCivilization it's sad when a decently read-up DIYer can easily do a better job than half the pros out there...
 
Indeed, though isn't that why there are people out there that talk about how trade and other college courses are becoming more a waste of money since the internet gives a lot of that information for free and self teaching is just better for most.
 
12:33 AM
@FerretCivilization it depends on one's learning style
 
Yeah, though that is where you get the better read up DIYer over the 'professionals'.
 
yeah. I probably could wire a home and have it pass inspection in many (most?) parts of the USA...
(granted, I'm rather uncommonly familiar with the NEC as well as basic electricity)
 
Uncommonly, ha.
 
12:59 AM
hey there @sphennings
 
1:13 AM
@Shalvenay hey!
 
@Green how're things going?
 
Going okay. Predictably, no one besides me has an answer for my aliens sound range.
 
@Green ah. I'm alright here. saw that you saw my answer re: the dragon question you linked :) any comments/feedback?
because I've always wondered why people seem to want to limit themselves to fighting dragons from a land-bound position
 
@Shalvenay i considered strong anti-air support a better terminus than WWI fighters. I appreciate that you did start with those fights though. No strong disagreements with your conclusions based on the dragon you described. I had a faster dragon in mind when I wrote my answer.
Fights=fighters
 
@Green what flight envelope were you considering for your dragons btw?
 
2:00 AM
@Shalvenay Fast Smaug. 50 to 60mph and highly maneuverable. Didn't have a ton of specifics
 
@Green that's...really not fast :P
it's actually slower than my dragon cruise-speed-wise
 
Something that wasn't going to lose often to Sopwith Camels or Fokker triples.
 
@Green yeah, the Red Baron would be in trouble anyway as either of our dragons can win a radius fight against almost anything not-terribly-energetic
btw: I think you misread my answer slightly -- my terminus was actually in between the World Wars when we started getting all-metal monoplanes
 
And as you mentioned, they really didn't mount big guns on WWI fighters. WWII definitely saw big enough guns to hurt a dragon.
 
@Green yeah, you started to see repeating cannons used for air combat in WWII
why is it that dragon flight envelopes are so poorly defined btw?
sends the nearest dragon off to test pilot school
 
2:13 AM
@Shalvenay my guess is because they don't have to be well defined. The vast majority of stories with dragons pit them against ground troops that they almost always outclass.
Just saying "it flies and has an area of effect weapon" outclassed practically everything else on the battlefield.
 
@Green aye. nowadays though...the dragons would have more to fear from the villagers in some parts of the world than the villagers would from the dragons
never mind getting stuck in a modern air defense umbrella
 
@Shalvenay yeah. I'm very sure a dragon's radar cross section isn't the size of a seagull.
@Shalvenay true that!
 
also, even if the dragons weren't freaking out and trying to burn down every plane in sight...I'm sure having to learn to share the skies with things much bigger/heavier than them would be an...adjustment
you do not want an Airbus 380 sneaking up on you and going "gotcha!" with its wake
I wonder what a dragon'd do if they got stuck in air traffic. lulz.
because boy, the LA traffic is just as bad in the air as it is on the ground
 
2:30 AM
I think someone asked that question and it didn't end well for the dragon. If it's not been asked, go for it!
 
I kinda wonder what a friendly dragon and a test pilot sitting down and having a chat would sound like, for that matter...
 
2:58 AM
hey there @kingledion
 
 
10 hours later…
12:55 PM
Anyone from the Northern Continental Americas online?
 
Yeah but I might not be the helper you are looking for.
 
Well it's rather easy a question: You don't really have lots of electrified rails, do you?
 
No, at least not when compared to Europe.
 
Are there any big lines that are electrified? I can't really find good maps to look at :/
 
Look up the The Northeast Corridor, or the New York Subway system, ha. Not full maps but are something.
 
1:07 PM
I mean there's maps with the different railways named, but nothing that distinguishes if the rails are electrified or not :/
 
that's nice
 
They also did a follow up map for proposals in the 70s ctr.trains.com/~/media/import/images/d/4/e/…
 
interesting
 
Those will probably be the best put together map find unless you want to Wikipedia each railway that is listed as electric.
 
1:30 PM
Sometimes I wish the Americas had a longer history. I mean look at these: bueker.net/trainspotting/maps.php
 
Ha, I think I would wish we kept track of it better.
 
but yeah, then my knowledge of america using mostly diesel-electric railways still holds
:)
 
If that was the end question that could have just been a simple yes, heh
 
1:56 PM
Looking at that image:
that hub on the eastern site is chicago innit?
 
The upper central line where the the colors change from green to blue
 
yeah , where the red lines originate
so I'm not all bad at american geography :D
which means I'll make chicago my hub
 
Yes, though let's see if you know why, do you know why that is like that? Ha.
 
uhm lemme see
the north-eastern seafront would be original english colonies, with e.g. Boston and such
then we got the french colonies further where Canada is now
we got some netherlands colonies like former New Amsterdam
and further down the spanish stuff
then we got expansion of the english further west along their colonies
the french trying again in the south
and the three lakes area being prime real estate due to the waterways giving A) live and B) transportways for shipping, etc.
also the west being rather mountaneous, thus less interesting for early expansion
does that work?
 
Politics also played a key, there was competition to run the hub more in the South.
 
2:19 PM
dang I'm not getting anywhere with this
 
Told you that those maps I gave were going to probably be the best you are looking for. After the 30's the US did not really do much more to electric up the rails.
 
2:35 PM
@HDE-226868 I didn't know if the dash would work
 
@FerretCivilization not complaining about that. that's just the way it is. I mostly don't get forward in formulating my question because I dig into some research every other phrase I write
 
Ah, I know that pain.
 
@kingledion Ah. Pings only deal with the first three letters of the username. I think.
I know that it's only the first X letters. I'm just trying to remember if X=3.
 
@Separatrix I've never even heard of bindweed. Is it a problem where you are from?
@HDE That is interesting, I wonder how it works between multiple users with the same first X
 
jo @kingledion can I bother you a few minutes?
 
2:48 PM
Whats up
I'm trying and failing to log onto AWS, so I'll probably have some time
 
what's the error message?
 
No message, I start an instance, get the key to SSH in, and then try to SSH and nothing
Just never connects
 
are you behind a company firewall?
might be that the handshake is never finished or similar
 
Yeah, might be it
I have a co-worker who has gotten on, but he might have done something special
He was also a netadmin...
 
if you had wireshark installed you could log traffic and filter the packets for the Amazon IP to check if you get any response at all
company firewalls are notorious for blocking incoming ssh and other traffic
it's just easier than fixing hundreds to thousands of linux vms credentials
 
2:52 PM
@kingledion Yo. Looks like you are good to go with your pins?
 
@James Yes, some random dude called Riker, who is a mod on Veganism or something was in the chat room randomly and helped
 
@kingledion ...that's indeed random.
 
@dot_Sp0T Yeah I really don't want to have to do that much troubleshooting
I'm trying to do a cassandra upgrade for a project
So I've installed it on AWS and been playing to learn CQL
 
not really random, no. Riker also did moderating on the SGR when we needed something removed. Guess they're either intrigued by our community, OR their online times coincident with out mod needs and they see the flags
 
And I'm trying to do it on my work time, not my home time, except I can't get on at work, which sucks
@dot_Sp0T What is SGR?
 
2:56 PM
Reminds to why I've had my private laptop with me at work at all times; it was just easier to google things and check on forums that were blocked due to the banks 'messaging boards policy'
Story-Go-Round
 
@dot_Sp0T Umm...I work for an Intel contractor, so if I had my laptop at work I would be getting tased right now
 
@kingledion sounds fun; why's that?
 
trade secret protection I assume?
 
Use an Apple eh, ha.
 
@kingledion oh so much. It takes over if you don't keep it down. You can't quite watch it grow, but not far off
 
2:59 PM
@FerretCivilization Apple uses intel chips
 
@kingledion so back to my issue. You've got plenty knowledge on RTGs and co. So: current RTGs seem to be using the Seebeck effect to generate electricity. Are there any other possibilities of generating electricity from RTGs? E.g. just dropping the whole heat-radiating-thing into a conductor fluid and then heat up e.g. water to drive a steam turbine?
 
All the companies use pieces of each other, I just meant the finished thing. Much like the Microsoft Apple playful feud.
 
@dot_Sp0T Sorry, not Intel as in the processors, Intel as in three letter agencies in the US that watch while you poop
Now you can see the issue, perhaps
 
I've just never heard of an Apple/Intel feud.
@kingledion Ahh, that makes even more sense
 
@Separatrix Where are you that bindweed grows so quickly?
 
3:02 PM
Really all the companies have a feud called business.
Though indeed.
 
@kingledion true, you're the navy guy right?
 
@kingledion UK
 
@dot_Sp0T Yes
 
Damn I wish service here were more interesting
 
@dot_Sp0T Where is here?
 
3:03 PM
Switzerland
 
@dot_Sp0T Not much of navy, so I've heard
You guys probably have ski-ing special forces, like in James Bond movies, though
@dot_Sp0T Well about those RTGs, I don't really know much about thermo-electric generation with the Seebeck effect or otherwise
I think other possibilities are mostly conjectural at this point; it you want megawatts you will have to either use Brayton or Rankine cycle
 
@kingledion If not, they really should
 
Which are jet engines and steam engines, respectively
 
@kingledion actually
@kingledion care to elaborate in a few phrases?
 
@dot_Sp0T So yeah, not much of a navy... burn
 
3:09 PM
@dot_Sp0T Thats actually pretty cool, the riverine merchant marine
@dot_Sp0T Well I think it has to do with thermal efficiency. Brayton can get around 40% efficiency with high power to weight ratio, Rankine can get up to 55% with low power to weight ratio. Wikipedia gives thermoelectric generators an efficiency of 5-8%.
 
@dot_Sp0T It seems like the primary purpose for an RTG is when you need stable power with no maintenance for a very long time. If you want a lot of power there are better options.
 
Yeah... If you want to survive, don't invade the Swiss :P
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@sphennings yeah but I want stable power over a long time
stable & clean
which RTGs seem to be predisposed to
I am just wondering if I can use them to e.g. heat water in a tender
well nvm that word isn't what I thought it was
I am just wondering if I can use RTGs to heat up water in a boiler and then drive a turbine e.g.
 
@dot_Sp0T You can! But then you are using a Rankine cycle engine
 
@kingledion isn't that good?
Aren't locomotives rankine engines?
 
3:28 PM
@dot_Sp0T This is kind of the energy generation equivalent of good, fast, cheap.
 
@dot_Sp0T Yes...and in more important news, I got in to AWS
 
@sphennings please use the respond button...
@kingledion sweeeet! what'sitbeen? (the issue I mean)
 
The default security group has to be modified to include my ip address
it was the AWS side that was rejecting my SSH
 
FIREWALL FTW
 
Ok now i have to actually get some work done, so I better get off worldbuilding for a while
its like facebook for anti-social nerds
so addictive
anyways, see you alter
 
3:30 PM
noooooooooooooooooooooo
who's going to explain me RTG stuff now
 
@dot_Sp0T Sorry! I'll be back later I promise
 
Like a conversational cliffhanger.
 
indeed
seems the conversation died with him leaving
 
How is the story-go-round going?
 
3:51 PM
@HDE226868 we're done with Chapter two and now working on Chap 3; The next writing task would likely be to introduce The Third Challenge - so if you feel up to the task we're counting on you :D
 
@dot_Sp0T Yeah, I'd be up for it. :-)
 
@dot_Sp0T did we figure out what the second challenge was?
 
oh wiat the second challenge
the second challenge!!
ok give me a sec
The Second Challenge; The Challenge of Fire according to the wiki - I'm right now looking through a mention of fire in the text
 
@dot_Sp0T When the pit went up, there was lots of fire from that.
 
Data on the Second Challenge: called > Challenge of Flame (not Fire, it's Flame in the text)
\> moves around
 
3:55 PM
Could they have passed that challenge just by surviving the fire from the pit?
Is it a specifically defined challenge or just surviving something really dangerous involving flame?
 
the first mention of it is in the last post by Gryphon; that's all there is
@HDE226868 sorry it's the second challenge; called The Challenge of Flame. Only info so far is that name and the fact that it moves - making it more of a challenge to find it than pass it
 
More broadly, are the challenges statically defined or do they have parameters that need to be met (which can be met in lots of different ways)?
 
@Green that is up to the specific writer
E.g. the Challenge of Stone ended up being the process of charging up Phylacteries
maybe they even already passed a challenge; nobody knows until someone puts it into writing :)
 
@dot_Sp0T So Story-Go-Round 1 is a fun exercise in seat of the pants writing... I wonder if it is possible to do a Story-go-round with the snowflake method or other similar outlining method.
 
@AndyD273 oh dear god there is a lot of bloat to that article. Why is there a video about drawing snowflakes? Why are there a whopping two sections of unnecessary monologue before I get told what I am actually trying to learn about?
 
4:01 PM
I'm done.
Okay, now I'm really done.
 
Also I do not think the snowflake method, or really any planning method, would work with the Go-Round thing. The whole appeal of the Go-Round thing is that people can participate in a story and bring in their ideas and thoughts without having to write a whole book. If you have an outline people start feeling constrained I fear
@Green so you're having Bremdag, Brohkem and Nairahdul moving towards the challenge of flame as well then? Are you implying Nairaduhl can walk properly again or do the other two still carry her?
 
@dot_Sp0T I wasn't sure their state so I just kind of "moved" them to where I wanted to tell the story next. I'm not sure how they got there or exactly far they went. Might have only been a few hundred yards. Depends on banged up they are.
 
just making sure you're not mixing up the group of Jarilo & Hemdul with the others :)
 
I thought we had a group of three and a group of two.
I picked the banged up group of three.
 
yeah we do; group of two: Jarilo & Hemdul > walked away from the others;; group of three > Bremdag, Brohkem, Nairaduhl. The latter two (bro & naria) lost their phylacteries and seem to be getting sick or such from that loss
 
4:09 PM
@dot_Sp0T So I have an idea of where I'd like to go with that "sickness". I've been reading up on the Jungian Shadow (your subconscious where there are a bunch of behaviors that you don't use very often). What if the phylacteries are shadow-self suppressors and when the phylactery is destroyed, that person's shadow self-comes out?
 
I'm intrigued by the fact that we have two parties right now
@Green oooh that sounds fun! Might want to add it to the theory section so others can pick up on it if they like it as well
 
@dot_Sp0T You're probably right. Mostly just thinking aloud about possibilities
 
@AndyD273 but it's an interesting method of writing
 
@dot_Sp0T I'll do that now.
 
@Green Really spell that out too, cause it sounds both interesting and complicated
 
4:14 PM
@AndyD273 will do
 
I think that's why I'm a little lost at the moment. It suddenly got mystical, and I don't have any ideas for why that might be, especially if they are human, or came from human ancestors at least.
Any idea how/if we want to do point of view changes, if someone wants to see what the other half of the party is up to?
Might be too complicated, now that I think about it
 
@AndyD273 chapter changes along with an explicit viewpoint change might do what you need.
 
@AndyD273 easiest would be to mention what party we're with right now by adding a line at the beginning, e.g. //Bremdag,Brohkem,Nairahdul
When putting the whole thing in actual writing the easiest thing is to put in double breaks between paragraphs, add some divider line or use different fonts
 
@dot_Sp0T @AndyD273 let me know if that's detailed enough.
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A: Story-Go-Round Background & Info

AndyD273Theories Ideas of why things are the way they are, without having to explicitly say it in the story. These are not official cannon, but more ideas to give the world some background. If something in the story contradicts a theory, feel free to remove the theory. The 5 Challenges are possibly ...

 
4:30 PM
@Green where do you take from that the phylacteries have survived the explosion?
 
@Green Hmm, interesting. Just reading the wiki article now. So if the shadow is able to manipulate the physical world...
Oh! Has anyone read the Michael Crighton book Sphere?
 
@AndyD273 fixed cannon to canon; took me long enough to realize it
 
@Green Sphere was a pretty scary book when I was 12... But I think it this shadow idea could work the same way, and be the reason why they'd want to suppress it.
 
@dot_Sp0T there's also a proximity component. We don't know how deep those phylacteries sank in the fire pit. They could be a mile straight down.
@AndyD273 I loved that book.
Should probably reread.
 
5:01 PM
@Green you might want to add that to your theory (e.g. that they've just got blown away some kilometers or such
 
Is it OK if I put the next bit in for the story?
 
@Bellerophon Do it. I'm waiting to go after you
@dot_Sp0T Now I can't get Cassandra to connect! I installed it just fine on my AWS instance, and now cassandra is rejecting connections from localhost
sigh, I do algorithms, not operating systems, I'm not paid for this
time for a long lunch break, possibly with beer
@Bellerophon So I had to look up abseiling. I've only ever heard it called rappeling, but wikipedia redirects 'rappel' -> 'abseil'
 
Abseil might be British? I don't know. I can change it if you think people won't understand.
 
5:16 PM
I was just curious. People can just google it
Ok I'm gonna write a part in
@Bellerophon Oh, post a retcon of the girl's name, its 'Nairahdul'
 
@Bellerophon I know what abseiling is, but that's the first time I've read the word. I've only ever heard it spoken apparently. Rappelling is a lot more common.
 
Huh, I've never really heard it called rappelling.
 
Interesting
 
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Q: How do we create an Anemone Tree?

JamesThose of you who have been listening to the new podcast will know that Andy came up with an idea for an Anemone Tree. The idea is that this "tree" would prey on small animals for some of it's needed nutrients. In a vein similar to the Anatomically Correct Series we would like some help making t...

@Green @AndyD273
 
@Green Yeah, so I really gotta figure out how to work that into the story...
@James Cool. I have ideas...
 
5:27 PM
OK my post is done
 
@AndyD273 Did I hit all the key requirements?
I was doing it from memory and mine is...intermittent at best
 
@James I think so. Only think I might add is that like an anemone it can be as much animal as it is plant. I'm pretty sure that they are kind of both.
 
An actual anemone is an animal, for instance
 
@AndyD273 True. I will clarify that.
 
5:39 PM
@AndyD273 I hate those articles that don't like to the original research. What they are saying is so ambiguous!
 
@kingledion Ambiguity is hard to refute. ;)
 
@James?
I have a problem.
 
What subsite should I ask about quantifying human attributes such as courage, flattery, and finesse?
 
The Visitor series is back on and I am stuck in 2028 in the outline for the events that unfold trying to see whether PLA remnant-local Uyghur militia cooperation is possible at this point in the occupation of Earth.
 
@Piomicron That doesn't sound very fact based, here might be the best place
 
5:42 PM
And NOTE: By that point, it is four years post-Invasion.
 
I wouldn't vote to close a question "How do you quantify courage", but I wouldn't have a good answer either
 
And the reason I ask is: given the current situation in East Turkestan/Uyghurstan/the Xinjiang province in China, could that be a possibility?
Or not really?
 
@kingledion I've been burned a few times.
@kingledion There's 30 stats, some harder to quantify than others.
 
Yeah people like closing stuff around here, especially soft sciences
 
Say for example: a PLA motorised infantry division gets some reinforcements and support from local Uyghur militias in an attempt to drive the GPI from the ruins of Ürümqi.
 
5:44 PM
No better site?
 
Not that I know of
 
Psychology stuff really only works at psychology
I guess I could try game dev?
 
So, @James? To beat back the Visitors and their GPI goons, could such cooperation between enemies/former enemies be a possibility?
Especially given that we are under an extraterrestrial occupation.
 
@Piomicron I've never been on that site, so I don't know the rules there, but it seems reasonable that quantifying stats could be on topic
@AndyD273 This is great! Full on fanstasy genre shift!
 
@kingledion? Are you knowledgeable on the Xinjiang conflict?
Between China's government and the ethnic Uyghurs that want to give East Turkestan/Uyghurstan/Xinjiang independence?
 
5:47 PM
@kingledion That's what I was thinking when I wrote it... "And we've come full circle..."
 
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A: Sandbox for Proposed Questions

Hendrik LieWhat's the effect of this environment to human health? atmosphere planets science-based The world's surface gravity is $12.39 m/s^2$, with solar insulation be earth-like, and atmosphere composition is as follows: 1616 mbar nitrogen 356 mbar oxygen 8 mbar trace gases (water vapor, mostly earth...

 
@Green Ok, so the shadow self is now officially part of the story.
 
@FutureHistorian I don't think anyone outside China is knowledgeable about that, the ChiComs have that pretty locked down
 
@kingledion. What I mean is: could the PLA after the Invasion (or what remains of it) and the local Uyghurs set their differences aside temporarily just to kick some extraterrestrial arse?
And the GPI's band of traitors?
After all: Earth is under attack and (at this point) under extraterrestrial occupation.
 
I feel like most worldly struggles would be subsumed to go after the aliens
 
5:51 PM
So, would some groups still hate each other and slaughter one another even then? Or would they set their differences aside to fight back?
 
No and Yes
 
Basically, @kingledion. It is a hard science fiction take on the extraterrestrial invasion story.
Take a look.
This is what I have in the events outline so far.
However, what I am wondering is: is the last event I wrote down realistic?
The Ürümqi Offensive and how the situation unfolds?
@Gryphon?
 
If its about the chinese and uyghurs teaming up, then sure, sounds realistic
 
Since @kingledion i-. Oh wait, nevermind.
@kingledion. Thank you!
 
@AndyD273 yay!
 
5:57 PM
@FutureHistorian Hey there
 
Yeah! Shadow=Super powers!
 
@Gryphon? Do you agree that Uyghur-PLA remnant cooperation is realistic or not really?
 
But dangerous stuff coming out of dreams.
 
So who made the phylacteries and why!?
 
Especially four years into the occupation?
 
5:58 PM
@FutureHistorian I have no idea. I don't really know much about those groups. By which I mean I don't know anything about those groups.
@Green I guess we'll see.
 
And who keeps making them?
 
@Green I can't wait to find out!
 
Hey everybody, I'm writing a section. Just so nobody else does at the same time.
 
@Bellerophon Well abseilen is most definitively German in origin. Being a composite from the words ab (itself the shortened form of herab when used in composites; meaning down) and Seil (which means rope). Having the en ending as most doing verbs have in German.
 
@Gryphon You're safe from me (this time! I've got another couple of hours to go before I can write again).
 
6:03 PM
@Green Good.
There we go, nobody interrupted me.
 
@Gryphon Sounds good
 
If the characters know that the pylcatery holds the shadow in check why did they sound so much like they had no idea what would happen?
 
@Bellerophon Yeah, we've kind of got a bunch of continuity errors. Maybe its a legend?
 
@Bellerophon Yeah, no one had ever lost a phylactery before
 
oh boy I love this one: ""Abseil?" Brokhem sounded incredulous. "You couldn't walk two hours ago." "
 
6:06 PM
Sounds like we need some rear-guard repair work
 
Yeah, we should remove some of the "we have no idea what will happen" stuff from earlier during the editing.
 
Are you sure? I personally would rather see this as 'wtf is happening here' then 'oh we knew what would happen but for some illogical reason we decided that we did not want superstrength'
I mean, it's A) literally superstrengths, and humans, humans will abuse this no matter the cost
 
@dot_Sp0T I don't think it would "We don't want to have superstrength" as much as "We don't want them to have superstrength."
 
But the thing is that if people know there would be plenty criminals just getting rid of their phylacteries during the time they want to do something and then getting them back, or similar
and likely also police forces doing the same
 
My thinking, going back to what green started with the shadow self, is that it isn't so much super strength, as it is their minds becoming more powerful and so exerting some force on reality. The reason nobody wants it to happen is that it isn't a conscious thing. You can't choose what will happen. Instead the darkest parts of your subconscious start to come out, which is why dreams are so dangerous.
So someone dreams about being eaten by a shapeless black cloud, and doesn't get to wake up to find out it happened.
 
6:17 PM
I still think if this is common knowledge then Phylacteries would be gotten rid of way more actively. There's people that live a lifestyle of no fear. especially Yakuza style mafias
 
Not if it is a deep cultural taboo. So in the early years of the archologies, before the phylacteries, nightmares would roam the halls, and many people died. Then someone discovered a crystal with the right resonance to counteract and suppress the shadow. Now it is centuries later, and most of that is legend, but still something that is used to terrify children and adults.
And remember, it is in no way conscious, so it's pretty useless as a way to exert power. It's like juggling nitroglycerin.
The thing is that apparently people don't try to get rid of them. So now the trick is to give them a good reason not to.
 
Yeah but giving them a reason does not have to mean that they understand the reaason before it becomes apparent, does it?
Right now they know that there are shadow ghost thingies that make them stronger but also have their own evil will to do mischief and hurt people - my argument is that I do not think that our characters should actually already know that. I think it would be way more interesting if they found out by experiencing this happening
e.g. right now they realize that something happens to those that don't have their Phylacteries on them. This confirms doctrine and religious texts and myths & stories. They also found out that those missing their Phylacteries undergo unexplainable changes, e.g. they heal better and are stronger
The next step would be to make use of these powers, explore them - before it becomes night and everything goes haywire, showing the downside of these powers
 
@dot_Sp0T That's fine. My thinking is along those lines; it's mostly legend and history. Maybe they learned some about it in school, especially if they are adults here.
 
But that is just me :)
 
Nope, sounds good. I was hoping to steer it in that direction with the "dreams are dangerous" bit.
 
6:28 PM
And I know that I can become overzealous about some things. So if the consensus is to retcon the earlier not knowing anything then that's how it goes :)
This is still an experiment. I hope that after wrapping up we can analyze our results and come up with process improvements for the next run (if any)
 
Eh, I didn't really like that line... How could no one ever lose one... they are holding it on a smoldering stick over a radioactive pit. But it could be that no one in the archology has lost one since it's a confined space, possibly with other safeguards set up (since it might only need proximity to one, and there are a lot around), and of the people that went out into the world and lost theirs, none have returned to tell what happened.
 
@James I haven't yet actually gotten around wrapping up the first chapter (and in the meantime the second) for a blogpost; if you want to take a shot (as you indicated yesterday I think) please be my guest. When you feel inspired you might even want to write the introduction to the whole thing as well. I'd still do my part explaining the idea behind it and expand the introduction though if you don't mind :)
@AndyD273 yeah that was a tad overkill, but it seemed to be liked by most so I shut up^^ ;; about the proximity to any Phylactery: I really liked the idea of them being assigned to a person, even if this assignment is much looser than initially thought (e.g. something similar to bloodtypes)
 
@James Y'all really don't care about elvish rights. :P
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Morality's expensive (to the tune of $5 billion to $70 billion), but Santa's willing to fork over some cash.
 
@Gryphon? Recommendation: do some research on the Xinjiang conflict and see how things are affected on that front by the Invasion and occupation of Earth.
 
6:50 PM
@dot_Sp0T Maybe they have to be tuned? If it's something like resonance wave cancellation that is causing the suppression then it could be different for each person. Maybe they even need to be changed once in a while, like a vision prescription. Using someone else's might only have a limited effect, or could potentially make it worse.
 
This looks interesting does anyone know more about what is actually talked off here? I don't know how to start searching.
 
@dot_Sp0T It looks like they've developed some kind of material that, when exposed to radiation, has an electric current run through it.
Maybe it could make nuclear power somewhat more efficient, or extract more power from the "nuclear battery" concept.
 
@HDE226868 Elves aren't people.
 
@James Have fun convincing Hermione Granger and PETA about that one.
 
@Gryphon yeah, I get that from the article. I mean to do further research but when I read that article I don't see any pointers to the actual technology or such; so I thought I put it up here and maybe someone knows more or sees the pointer I don't
 
7:00 PM
@HDE226868 Hippies.
 
@James Someone's getting coal in their stocking.
 
Hermione should have had dreadlocks and worn a rasta cap
@HDE226868 It's all part of the plan, I'm opening my own clean coal power plant.
 
Hmmm. Can you share some of that energy with Santa?
 
@HDE226868 I see you discovered phase III. Very clever :D
 
@Gryphon Since radiation is in the EM spectrum, as is light, I kinda wonder if they made something like a photo-voltaic cell that works with higher energy wavelengths.
 
7:11 PM
@HDE226868 Concerning worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/q/100577/44699 :How about arranging pedals or pistons that trigger the air supply of the pipes concentrically instead? Maybe several movable rings, from the biggest outer, to the smallest inner ring to offer more variance.
 
@James Hey, oats don't come cheap. After all, Santa has apparently annexed an area the size of Rhode Island just to feed his reindeer.
@Aertemis Oh, hi!
 
@HDE226868 I suppose stopping Santa from annexing territory would land one on the naughty list.
 
Trigger buttons mounted on the rings. Each trigger button represents a celestial body and is activated via a annular construction as you proposed above, just in a smaller scale and moving slowly above the rings, pressing down the trigger buttons.The tubes leading from the trigger buttons to the bellows, or even the bellows itself would have to be rotating with the respective trigger ring. Alternatively the tubes could be attached to a main bellow connected by a rotatable but airtight adaptor.
 
@James I made my entry for the Greater Whipping Cypress for the Anemone question.
 
Imminent Domain x 1000
 
7:13 PM
@James Emminent Domain x 1000.
 
@Aertemis That's a very interesting idea. I like that it uses physical objects to represent stars. You could make the instrument very ornamental.
@James Very much so.
 
@Green Dang autocorrect...
 
@HDE226868 The only difference to your approach ist that the main mechanic is shifted into smaller scale. More functional I guess.
 
@Aertemis Yes, that's true. Compactness could be handy, especially if you want to track a large number of stars.
 
@HDE226868 And concerning ornaments: It would be great, if the whole instrument would be walkable. You step into the observatory and are surrounded by pipes.
 
7:24 PM
@Aertemis That's sort of what I'd originally (and still do) envisioned. That's why I like having a multi-level observatory here (besides the fact that most observatories kind of are): You step up and are instantly surrounded by music.
Plus, it hearkens back to the dome of an observatory in our world.
Speaking of domes, it's awesome to stand right in the center of one as it rotates around. A bit dizzying, but awesome.
 
@HDE226868 Actually I would love to combine your idea with worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/a/100625/44699 and worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/a/100628/44699
 
@Aertemis You should write an answer of your own, explaining your new creation. That would be cool.
 
@HDE226868 I´ll think about it. X-mas - children - no time. But anyways thanks for your answer and advises. It´s so f****** cool to communicate with nerdy experts.
 
@Aertemis :-) Happy holidays.
 
@HDE226868 Same to you
 
7:58 PM
@dot_Sp0T So regarding sterling engines, here is what I know about their drawbacks:
1. They have a relatively low power to weight ratio
2. They depend on high operating temperatures to get high thermodynamic efficiency. In the past the problem was material failures with high temps
 
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