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1:38 PM
@MikeL. The only thing you could possibly try, though I'm not sure I would recommend it, would be a dremel with a small very fine bit and just do some spot clean up.
 
@James I already tried dremel with the brush bit to try and help along with the removal of the surface layer. didn't do much.
But well, if the bluing works, I think I can live with the pits.
 
well at least you have a plan!
 
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Q: Magic - How would a man with modern understanding of Physics, Programming and Chemistry affect his understanding of medieval level magic?

mico villenaOk so we are in a world of magic in medieval age. And i am world building, i just need to further understand the magic that i had made with limitation stated below so it can be assumed that this is world building as it will affect the world that i had made Medieval magic focuses primarily in ele...

 
@James That, and a bathtub full of vinegar:) I decided to change it out this morning, since I wasn't seeing any more bubbles. I'll have to buy a couple more bottles on my way home.
 
ok so anyone can help me wit that? question?
 
1:46 PM
@micovillena What's your question?
 
let me rephrase, what is your question about your question?
 
assuming he can do magic, how will he be able to perform magic with his understanding of modernday physics, chemistry and programming
like will he be able to do hand held railgun magic or munroe effect fire balls
 
...the thing with magic is that is kind of up to you.
Its what makes magic questions so difficult to ask
 
well yeah, thats why i created 6 laws
 
1:51 PM
@micovillena If your goal is to get your question answered, you're barking up the wrong tree. That's not the purpose of this chat, and whoever would be inclined to try and answer your question would do it in the question proper.
 
So the basic question you need to ask yourself is "Is knowledge of the science required for creating the spell"
 
i see. sorry then
 
@micovillena We can certainly discuss the question here, because looking at it, it needs work.
 
If you want to discuss something about the question or about the stack, you can do it here (or on the meta).
i.e. if you feel you're not getting answers because your question is ill-posed.
 
@MikeL. and on more than one occasion we have discussed questions here, someone answered and the asker tells them to go post it on main lol
 
2:10 PM
@micovillena Feel free to keep chatting about it mico
@Green Whats up
 
2:22 PM
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Q: How is my question about causing a mass exodus "too story based"?

DJMethaneManMy question was closed as being "too story based," despite that it does not seem to fit this category. @Aify and @XandarTheZenon left a comment saying the question is "too broad/unclear and explained themselves satisfactorily. I have edited the question to help improve clarity. However, nobody ha...

 
As outlined in the meta question, I fail to see how this is too story based. The question might have been too broad and possibly unclear, but that should have been the close reason if that was the case IMO. The original question is here.
 
@James Working, same as usual. Sup with you?
OH WAIT! I found low resolution plans for the ejection seat. I'm gonna see if I can find/get hold of higher resolution plans. I'm pretty excited about that (obviously).
There's just enough detail to make out how the larger bits go together but without the identifying text, it's gonna be really tricky to get the smaller parts figured out.
If I can get it as in a vector format instead of a bitmap format then I can go almost directly to the cutting machine.
 
2:39 PM
@Green Is that a pepakuro or something?
 
@MikeL. Not this one. I do other pepakura but this one will be all metal.
 
What exactly is that?
 
@Green What are you going to put it in?
 
@AndyD273 myself :)
 
2:42 PM
Oh no, a flightsimmer
 
@Green Put it in yourself? sounds painful
 
It's an office chair. Not loaded with pyrotechnics (because I don't have a death wish).
 
@Green that makes more sense. That's pretty cool
 
@AndyD273 Thanks :)
 
@Green you could load it with some pyrotechnics
now that I think about it, I would love to have a rocket-powered chair
 
2:46 PM
@DaaaahWhoosh I've considered bolting some big speakers to the chair as a kind of "ass-kicking" bass.
@DaaaahWhoosh Not me. Too many ways to die.
@DaaaahWhoosh What would you do with it?
 
@Green I have a big desk, I'd move from one side to the other
and annoy the neighbors
 
@DaaaahWhoosh You would certainly succeed in doing that.
I've got a better idea though. Put one of these on your house and run it at odd hours of the night.
Fast forward to about 1:30.
That will succeed far more effectively than any rocket chair.
 
lol yeah probably
 
Might lead to issues with the neighbours though
 
Low powered versions aren't too hard to make.
@dot_Sp0T That's the point (mischief smile)
 
2:52 PM
mischief something something
 
@Green Why not some kind of physical thumper? like a spring loaded thing that just smacks into the back of the chair when triggered? You'd feel a kick in the pants without the exploding and dying.
That being said, a deep bass would be cool too, since you'd feel the engines to some extent
 
@AndyD273 Big bass speakers bolted to the seat bottom and back would do the same thing but with better frequency response.
@AndyD273 Which is such a cool prospect.
@dot_Sp0T Don't worry, I have a good significant other who tells me "No, Green, you can't do that" when I get really crazy about things.
 
@Green might be interesting to see if you could get it pretty low, so it would be more vibration than sound. Would stink if you had to make it deafening to be able to feel it
 
@AndyD273 I haven't done any research yet, (priority has been on building it first) but adding big speakers to chair is a thing, so I'm sure I can read up on it.
In slightly other news, does anyone remember seeing questions about the effects on society where there is an intensive early childhood program that identifies a child's natural abilities then shunts them into a program to develop those abilities?
 
3:19 PM
@Green lucky you, that border can be worth gold normally
 
3:29 PM
@Green I remember seeing those before. Guy had one mounted on the chair for his drum kit so he could feel the kick better...
 
@DJMethaneMan Hey. I think part of the problem with the question is you are both proposing a plan and asking for plans.
@Green When I hear about a darwin award for someone who died having an office chair race I will know it was you and I will be sad and also laugh.
 
@James I think that was @DaaaahWhoosh that wanted the rocket chair for his giant desk
 
yeah, that was me
 
lol
my bad
 
I've been training for the Darwin award my whole life
 
3:34 PM
I guess that goes for both of you then
One will end up flying through their own ceiling the other, a wall.
 
Wall, wall, wall, toilet stall, toilet stall, wall, end of building...
 
@AndyD273 shouldn't be a hindrance as long as you pass the street before rushhour
 
@James No Darwin Awards for me.
@AndyD273 ow. Just ow.
 
@James 36 hours in, I'm not even sure it's steel underneath anymore. Will snap a picture later.
 
3:49 PM
@James whenever I start a semi-dangerous project I go find YouTube videos describing spectacular failures when other people have done what I'm planning but failed.
This does two things. First, I get to know some of the more interesting ways to die (and thus preload my Spidey Sense). Second, it's a good test to see if I still want to do that thing anymore.
 
I once read the poem Out, Out while I was on set construction for my school's theatre. I was terrified of saws for weeks
 
Yeah saws are seriously dangerous
 
@James especially around high school kids
which we all were
 
yeah...thats not a great mix
 
I remember being in a heavy machining shop and realizing that if I stuck my whole body in the path of one of those tools, they wouldn't even notice me being there.
@DaaaahWhoosh We had to get special training to use saws at my high school.
Ah, the gold old days before lawsuits were crazy common.
 
3:56 PM
I'm kind of wondering now if it was legal for us to be using so many tools
 
Probably not illegal but the school's insurance company probably wouldn't like it.
 
@DaaaahWhoosh huh? why wouldn't tools be legal?
 
@MikeL. well, they're dangerous, and none of us had any sort of certification of being able to use them
 
@DaaaahWhoosh Certifications?
 
@Green yeah, I remember once I was using a drill on a 20-foot ladder next to an asbestos curtain. That would look great to the insurance agents
 
3:58 PM
The vast majority of tools you can just freely buy and use.
 
@MikeL. yeah, I guess so. It just seems like a lot of people are talking about gun control, but no one mentions saw control
and I don't want my old school closing down their theater department because someone chops off their own arm
 
@DaaaahWhoosh In professional settings, that's why you have OSHA. In private settings, well, the principle of legal licence is crying in the corner.
And honestly, most of OSHA reduces to "don't be a jackass".
 
@MikeL. Don't we have a starred comment about foolproof software right now? This seems very similar.
 
lol
 
4:19 PM
so, does anyone here have a counter-argument to the statement 'as you approach the speed of light, time slows down, so when you travel faster than light, time goes backwards'?
because I want to answer that recent question about FTL travel, but I'm guessing I'm not smart enough
 
@DaaaahWhoosh "You can't go faster than the speed of light"? the closer you get to the speed of light, the slower time gets. if you ever actually got to the speed of light, time would stop.
You could cheat though, by technically going faster than light, but not in actuality
That would be like a wormhole or sub space where you aren't actually traveling in the space between A and B, while light would have to. So you could shine a laser, skip to a place 10 light minutes away and receive the laser, getting there "faster" than the light did, but not though real space.
Shorter distance if you will
 
yeah... I just noticed that the question was about teleportation, not FTL
but now I'm wondering if you're going at c and time stops, are you still moving while time is stopped?
and if not, are you somehow slowing down as you speed up?
 
@DaaaahWhoosh The theory I've heard is it's all relative, so you would arive at your destination instantly, even though 400 years have gone by
in real space
 
ah, now that makes sense
I keep on forgetting about relativity
 
That's what time dilation does, makes it seem like less time is going by. So say you wanted to fly to alpha centauri, 4 light years away. You fire up the god particle drives that removes all mass, allowing you to act like a really big photon. you hit the speed of light, and one second later you're at alpha centauri, while in the outside world it's been 4 years.
Yeah
I remember a short story where two people fall in love, and one has to travel light years away at really high C for work. The other one travels to a different planet. This goes on for multiple trips each, so that when they eventually meet up again, it's been hundreds of years in real time, but only months to them.
 
4:33 PM
@AndyD273 Kinda reminds me of that one story in Hyperion where the guy travels and the girl doesn't, so she gets really old really fast for him
 
@DaaaahWhoosh Yeah, like that, but less sad
 
@DaaaahWhoosh The math says so, but of course we have no idea whether it would still be valid at that point.
 
Unless people had a way to rejuvenate, traveling would really suck for family life unless you could bring them along.
 
@AndyD273 that actually works to my advantage in the sci-fi world I'm building, I just assume that all the interstellar marines would've taken a different job if they had families, so I can tell myself no one will be sad when I kill them off
 
Also, if you traveled at the speed of light, how would you stop? Photons do it by running into things. You wouldn't want to do that in a ship. Maybe travel at .9999999999c so a computer could shut the drive off before you run into something in Andromida 2.5 million years from when you left
 
4:41 PM
@DaaaahWhoosh yes, and I can make it sound as dizzyingly technical as you want :-P
(Or simple. Basically there is no physical process that makes anything traveling at less than the speed of light ever travel at or above the speed of light.)
stupid Markdown
 
This also reminds me of another short story or drabble where someone actually gets to the speed of light, and the universe implodes into a new singularity before a new big bang...
 
@DavidZ As far as we know, and barring some weird effects that technically don't count.
 
@MikeL. well, sure, as long as we assume Lorentz invariance. But if you're willing to let go of Lorentz invariance to the degree that allows relevant FTL travel, you're so far removed from known physics there's no telling what would happen.
 
@DavidZ I think we can sum it up as "If it's possible, there's no telling what would happen":)
 
Makes sense
:-P
 
4:55 PM
@DaaaahWhoosh That was an interesting love story for sure.
 
@Green yeah, I'm not sure I understood why they loved each other, but it sure seemed interesting when they did.
 
@DaaaahWhoosh My explanation is that they were in that mythical "outside the bounds of time and space, I'll still love you" love thing.
 
maybe I just don't understand love
 
@DaaaahWhoosh The love described in that story doesn't make any sense to me either....don't sell yourself too short in saying you don't understand love of any kind, at all.
 
5:11 PM
@Green Maybe he just had a gilf fetish...
she was just a cougar at heart, but he was to old before
Do a little sightseeing, and now they're both getting what they want out of the relationship
 
5:30 PM
@AndyD273 That's entirely possible. It's been a while since I've read that story so I'm short on the specific details.
 
5:59 PM
@Green I was just trying to see if I could come up with a way to make it make sense
 
6:15 PM
@James Well, I was simply including "what I tried." Oh, and apologies for not replying earlier, my Geometry teacher handed out assignments.
 
@AndyD273 I know :) I was indicating that I didn't remember enough to make sense of it either.
 
6:31 PM
@DJMethaneMan No biggie. I think if you either A) Said here is what I want to do, meaning provide a scenario/constraints and approach it as a feasibility/reality check question, or B) provide detailed setting info and constraints and as for the most likely scenario to fit your situation. I think then you'd be good to go.
Story based may not have been the best close reason...
too broad is probably better in this case
 
6:44 PM
@James more acid seem to have helped, the coating is now coming off when I scour it down.
But the metal underneath is really dark, almost doesn't look like steel
 
@MikeL. I'm not a metallurgist so I'm perplexed at to what the underlying metal is (if I remember right, you're trying to figure it out too). If it were light silver, I'd say aluminum. Or a dark shiny grey, then steel. Weird.
Could it be iron?
 
@Green Too light to be aluminium. It's on the darker side of steel-coloured.
Iron and steel are basically the same thing.
 
@MikeL. Yeah, it's just those few percentage points of carbon that make the difference. I couldn't remember if iron was darker than steel.
Maybe it's magnesium? That's just a little lighter than aluminum. (Hell, I'm just guessing :) I have no idea.)
 
@Green Sorry, I meant to say too heavy to be aluminium.
 
@MikeL. Oh, ha!
 
7:00 PM
I'll just try and remove all the coating and then see if I can blue it.
 
That looks like iron/steel to me
 
@James It is, in all likelihood. Just really on the dark side.
 
@MikeL. If you want it to be shiny you'd have to grind it. But to blue it just get a handheld propane torch and heat the center of the blade, the heat will dissipate into the thinner blade edges, getting an even blue can be tough though.
Tempering is a process of heat treating, which is used to increase the toughness of iron-based alloys. Tempering is usually performed after hardening, to reduce some of the excess hardness, and is done by heating the metal to some temperature below the critical point for a certain period of time, then allowing it to cool in still air. The exact temperature determines the amount of hardness removed, and depends on both the specific composition of the alloy and on the desired properties in the finished product. For instance, very hard tools are often tempered at low temperatures, while springs are...
Look at the section on differential hardening
 
Sigh... I hate it when someone is wrong on the internet.
 
7:16 PM
@AndyD273 What's the current example?
....of the billions.
 
having a debate with Mike Scott in the teleportation and speed of light question:
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A: Is moving faster than light speed a paradox?

OviIf a man teleports to a planet 1 light-year away, then yes, he would be able to observe events that happened one year ago on earth. He could also pick up all other kinds of EM radiation, such a radio waves (from radio stations). Depending on the method of transportation, he might be required to t...

There is no unambiguous reality independent of the observer's frame of reference.
If something happens on a star 1 light year away, and something happens on a star 100 light years away, and the light arrives at my position at exactly the same time, the event 100 light years away still happened first
I don't care what he thinks relativity says on the subject.
 
@AndyD273, well, within that specific context ("small" distances of 1 vs 100ly), and assuming you're not moving a a relativistic speed, I'll give a qualified yes
 
Three points, three points is all I need for 20K! I'm pretty sure I'll make it there today but the suspense.....the suspense!
 
but say to two people walking in opposite directions on Earth, events happening over say 10,000,000 light years away could easily be offset by months or even years. I.e. from my perspective, the Vogons are still deciding on whether to annihilate Earth, from yours, they launched their deathfleet this morning.
 
(Nor is this an invitation for "Vote one down, pass it around, 19996 rep on the site.")
 
7:26 PM
haha
@Green Oh noes, I think he's got it!
The rep in Worldbuilding flows mainly on upwards.
 
It's sort of like the whole stupid debate of a bear falling on a tree in the woods, does it happen if a human doesn't see it? Yes. Yes it happens, and it's the height of arrogance to think that it needs us to observe it.
 
Bam! 20k! Yeah! Thank you whoever upvoted the HR for vampires question.
 
It was a good answer
 
@SerbanTanasa But the event still happened 10,000,000 years in the past otherwise the light wouldn't be getting here for us to see it. I might not know about it before the light gets here, but it still happened
 
Well, 10,000,000 years and one month in my case, and 9,999,999 and 11 months in your case
 
7:30 PM
Andy, you are wrong here, the set of directions in space/time which an observer thinks are "the same time" changes depending on what speed they are moving, it is not an absolute
 
Doesn't matter, I might be one light month closer to the source, but it still happened when it happened. Doesn't matter if it's 1 ly, 100 ly or 100 billion ly.
 
but that does not hold at relativistic speeds necessarily
 
@James I'm aiming to blue it chemically, using a diluted acid solution.
 
@SerbanTanasa It still happened. I might be late knowing about it because I'm traveling at .5c but it doesn't change when it happened. The unit of measure might be larger or smaller depending on speed and direction, but that doesn't change the cause event.
 
7:33 PM
Read that link i sent you
 
No, you do not understand how the geometry of space and time works. What slice of space time you think is happening simultaneously depends on your speed, when you tilt your trajectory through space-time (i.e. change speed) you tilt the slice of spacetime you think is happening simultaneously.
 
It's like measuring something with a rubber band. My speed might change how stretched the rubber band is for me, but it doesn't change when something actually happened.
 
@AndyD273 Stated quite simply: two observers, one moving in space much faster than the other, have different planes of simultaneity.
 
@SerbanTanasa But the event that started the light moving toward the two observers still happened at a fixed point, even if the observers can't agree on when that fixed point happened.
 
@AndyD273 so then what is it fixed in relation to?
 
7:37 PM
It's not like the star went nova multiple times, once for each observer.
 
Yes, it happened at some fixed point in space-time, but there is no globally accepted labelling of all spacetime with time values
and unless some point of spacetime can see another or vice versa, there are observers for which the natural labelling of time will put them in contradictory orders
 
@JHance That's the point I'm trying to make :) It happened at a fixed point, the cause always comes first, and where I'm standing isn't going to change that. If you could fold space to move from one frame of reference to another instantly, that event is still fixed, even if the measurement is completely different.
 
No. The only absolute relationship between events in space time is "it is possible for an observer to have physically been at event A before they were at event B"
But there are many events for which no observer could ever physically have been at both.
 
@SerbanTanasa The universe. If I stepped instantly from my frame of reference to a spot 100 light years away and caused a star to go nova, then stepped back, the event happened, and it doesn't matter what frame of reference you are in, you can't undo it.
 
@AndyD273, that's kinda the point, it's not fixed. There is an event in spacetime, but its ordering relative to a subset of other events is a matter of perspective. That's not to say that there'll be anyone who will see the star blowing up and only then being formed.
 
7:43 PM
And for any such pair of events there are observers who label time such that the orders of those events are whatever you want
@AndyD273 different observers will disagree about what event in spacetime is 100-light years away from you and simultaneous to you
 
@JHance They can label time so that things happen out of order from whatever their perspective is, but that doesn't change the order that things happened.
 
where is this magical absolute order coming from? God?
A civilization floating along in the andromeda galaxy will disagree with earth about the order in which supernovas in various galaxies are occuring
 
@JHance Can you name me any frame of reference were you could unmake a star going nova just by instantly changing where you were standing in the universe?
@JHance Not if you know how far away they are from you when they happen.
 
No, they will
Let me ask you a more fundamental question
 
@JHance That sounds like you're conflating observation of an event with the event.
 
7:49 PM
If star 1000000ly goes nova, and then 999998 years later star 1ly goes nova, it would look like star 1ly went nova first, unless you know that star 1000000ly is a lot further away. It would be silly for anyone to declare that star 1ly went nova before star 1000000ly.
 
And yet that is how the universe's geometry works
 
@JHance Geometry, not causality.
 
Mike L I am well aware that actualy causality relationships are absolute
 
@JHance And still you're here telling us that the order in which events occured an change willy-nilly
 
I wasn't just saying that the andromedans would see them in a different order (they might and that's fine) but also that their labelling of space and time would put things in different orders
 
7:53 PM
If you're in Andromida, and you see the second one go nova, and then the first one, and I see the first one go nova, and then the second, that doesn't change the causality of when each went nova, but if you knew how far each was and took the distance into account you'd have to agree with me on the order.
 
No the andromedans would say "That star is ... ly from us, and that one is ~~~ ly from us, and we saw the explosions at times x and y and so that one happened first"
and it would be different from what we saw
 
@JHance Barring sudden changes in the speed of light, there is no way we could disagree on which happened first.
 
Aha
 
Anyway, we might have to take this up again another time as I have to take the kid to the doctor. But it's been a lot of fun.
 
that's the problem
Suppose I'm standing where I am and measure the speed of a laser going by to be 300 million meters/second. Suppose a car is going by me in the same direction at 1000 m/s (nice car yes), what do they measure the speed of the laser as?
 
7:57 PM
And I really want continue this another time.
Though I thought it was kind of a rule that the speed of light was constant no matter how fast or in what direction you were traveling
 
Exactly
That really changes the geometry of spacetime and what causality means
 
@JHance Right, so barring a drastic change in the speed of light, the time it takes for light to cross 100 ly isn't going to change no matter how fast I'm traveling or in what direction
Darn, I really have to go.
This isn't over!
:D
 
@JHance It can change the intervals between events, but not reverse them.
 
@MikeL. You are maintaining the belief that there is some order on evens such that either A is causally before B, A is causally after B or A is simultaneous to B
but the problem is that in reality the events that neither causally before nor after A is not as flat as you think, in special relativity it is rather fat
and is not the same as what our time labelling says
 
@JHance the hypersphere has a centre.
 
8:03 PM
There are people in andromeda galaxy who live (what they see as) millions of years in a causal position to us right that is "simultaneuous" in the sense that we cannot cause any event in their life, and no event in their life can change ours
its in that wiggle room that things can be relabelled
certainly, once they send a photon that hits me, no observer could ever label them as after me right now
@MikeL. I have no idea what you mean by that
 
@JHance Light cones, right?
An event is the tip, from which a hypercone spreads through spacetime at the speed of light.
 
Yes
 
You're saying that the tip is not a point
 
No the tip is a point
 
Then you always must be able to determine the order of events.
 
8:08 PM
Ah, but different observers will disagree about what oval section of the cone is the sphere of simulataneous travelling light
See this is the problem with taking that picture too naively, you assume that those right angles are privileged details of the geometry of spacetime, and that thus that there is some universally understood axis of the cone, and agree upon circles of simultaneity on the cone
But the symmetries of spacetime are totally different from those of usual Euclidean space, and they can break angles
so other observers will disagree on which trajectory goes straight down the center of the hypercone
 
@JHance No, they will not. If they know the point on the surface and the tangent at that point (which they do), then they can find the tip.
@JHance Spacetime is Euclidean under special relativity.
 
No it is not
 
@JHance How so?
 
It is a minkowskian geometry
you cannot identify the sphere around an observer in spacetime
 
hello sirs
i have a weird world building question
 
8:14 PM
@JHance So what is the shape of a shortest segment between two points in spacetime, then?
For, say, a photon.
 
what do you mean shortest?
how would you measure it
 
say a man from this time was whisked away to a magic medieval age timeline and he wants to be feared... whats better to use as a deterrent thermobaric bomb or nuclear bomb? but first is it possible to construct a thermobaric bomb or nuclear bomb with a medieval tool kit+ raw materials + engineering knowledge?
 
Knowing very little about bomb-building I'd guess thermobaric is slightly more feasible
making a nuclear bomb is um...hard
 
yeah... i just need oil... turn it into mist then have an igniter then boom
 
@JHance Using whatever norm you used to define that space.
@micovillena You won't build either on your own.
 
8:19 PM
yeah... thats what i was thinking as well... i was thinking i can science the shit out of it
 
Certainly not quickly. For the thermobaric bomb, you'd first have to develop some three industries by at least three centuries.
@micovillena You could macgyver it if you brought a couple of truckloads of random crap back with you, but not out of raw materials.
 
gun powder is nice nitroglycerine is better but a fuel air bomb is fantastic
 
Thermobaric without precise timing mechanism is going to be tricky at best. Nuclear is impossible with just a single person.
 
@JHance which would be the Minkowski norm, I'd imagine. Which is Euclidean.
@micovillena Would you trust a valve you hammered out in your workshop?
 
@MikeL. Or a pressure vessel made of crappy, bloom iron? I sure as hell wouldn't.
 
8:22 PM
There is no ambient physical norm that makes senser
 
I'd probably go for chemical electricity
 
hmmm... i see... so i need clockwerk mechanism for timer, dispersion is a pain as well to think...
 
there is the minkowski norm, but that is not a norm in the sense that you probably assume it is
 
@JHance Sure there is. It's necessary to define a space.
 
no its not
 
8:25 PM
@micovillena For comparison, the oldest watchmaker brands don't appear till the early 1800's. Mechanical watches require precision measurements and machining. Those things don't exist in 500AD to 1500AD planet earth.
 
@JHance Really now?
 
Yes really, source: I've actually taken graduate level courses in general relativity
 
a thermobaric bomb the size of a grandfather clock
 
@micovillena en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clock#Early_mechanical_clocks gives a good timeline of clock tech. Sure, there were older clocks but they were the size of buildings and not suitable for bomb detonation.
 
@Green Actually, regarding the fact that he/she wants to be feared makes building sized bombs even better
 
8:28 PM
Also, the timing for thermobarics requires millisecond accurate timing for maximal yields. The millisecond wasn't used until 1909.
@dot_Sp0T Yeah, but at that point, it's demolition work....which I suppose is impressive for people who have never seen explosions before.
 
@JHance Which superseeds the underlying mathematics... how?
 
well i just need something that could theoretically wipe an army or town off the map... neutron bomb would have been preferred but you cant make enriched uranium in middle ages
 
@micovillena Does this world have magic?
 
yiz it has... i need magicians fearing his "magic" called science
 
Hello! I need help!Could anyone give me some links to the newspeper articles with the examples of ALLUSION. I have found some...but it's not enough... :( Please!!!
 
8:30 PM
@Daisy why are you asking here?
there are so many places that are much more likely to have what you need
 
Where should I ask?
 
@Daisy have you checked out your local uni-library? They usually have services for this kind of thing
 
@JHance wiki states: "For an overview, Minkowski space is a 4-dimensional real vector space"
so, it is a space that has a norm
 
@micovillena Blowing up an entire army requires large energy yields that one person can't generate with medieval tech. Might I suggest some alternate fear-generation mechanism? Make predictions about the stars. If you have a firearm, that will scare the hell out of anyone who's never seen firearms.
 
Nuclear transmutation?
 
8:33 PM
@microvillena or just go for electricity
 
btw in firearms talk what is better to use Air gun or gun powder guns for a medieval tech kit
 
the power of lightning in your hands
 
@micovillena Are you doing that science based or magic based?
 
science based primarily but the protagonist can do magic and alchemy, but science is better is his motto
 
@Green By late mediaeval period, lots of people have already seen firearms.
 
8:34 PM
@dot_Sp0T Yeah, electricity wins. Bring a tazer and enough batteries. You'll only need to shock a few people to freak people out.
 
force lightning everyone
cosplay as palpatine
call himself a dark lord
 
@MikeL. True, but I was also careful to qualify who would be scared. ;)
 
fck yes that is awesome
 
@micovillena Rock that.
 
@Green you don't even need to bring anything but engineering/chemistry knowledge. You'll find everything to create chemical reactions producing POWAH
 
8:35 PM
UNLIMITED POWER!!!!!!!!
 
@micovillena gunpowder. Doesn't require fine mechanics.
 
"ooohhhh.... i can feel your hatred."
 
@Green My point is, they wouldn't stay scared for very long; only until they figured out it's just another type of firearm.
 
@MikeL. Yes, it admits a norm. That is true. It also admits a labelling by four coordinates, this is true. The problem is that these are not physically measurable quantities. Given a four dimensional real vector space there are an infinite number of ways of throwing a norm and coordinates on it, but that doesn't mean that in a physical system modelled on such a space that there is some say to measure any particular norm.
 
@dot_Sp0T That's true but even with perfect engineering/chemistry, if the industries to make your raw ingredients aren't around then it's going to take you forever to get anything complicated done.
@MikeL. Fair enough.
 
8:38 PM
now... what would effect i need to emulate force lightning
 
@JHance So you're saying there is no such thing as a spacetime interval?
 
Different observers would label it differently with coordinates, in ways that are not compatible with the norm/angle structure of the other observers labellings
 
what effect would i need*
 
No, but the length of a spacetime interval is not a classical norm
 
without shocking the user
 
8:38 PM
@Green When live gives you lemons, make lemonade batteries and blow up armies
 
@JHance That makes no difference.
 
assuming there is magic in equation
 
@dot_Sp0T Now that is a statement I can agree with!
 
the set of intervals starting from me with "length 1" end on a hyperbola asymptotic to the light cone
not a sphere
 
lemonade batteries... how do i make medieval army blow skyhigh with that?
 
8:39 PM
@micovillena As we love to say around here, if there's magic involved, you can do whatever the hell you want as long as it's self-consistent.
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well... hurrdurr... i would probably go palpatine all the way... how do you make electricity btw?
 
@micovillena You get lots and lots of lemons. Wire them with zinc and copper rods then make a giant arc reactor then short out that battery when the enemy gets close enough.
 
u mean tons lemons as in literal tonnes?
 
@MikeL. Actually, if I take two events that some physical observe can be at both of, the straight line between them is, among all paths of physical observers, the one over which a watch carried with them measures the longest time.
 
@micovillena Well, yeah. Each individual lemon is pretty weak. You need many many many lemons to make a bomb big enough to blow up an army.
 
8:43 PM
ok another question... can i make naphalm or at least something like it with medieval tool kit + chemistry knowledge + rawmaterials(crude oil, saw dust)
 
well there was that whole greek fire thing
 
@micovillena I think you're looking for greek fire...
 
@micovillena Probably. It won't be as good as modern napalm but you could make something sticky and flammable without too much trouble.
 
yeah i could... then i could burn cities with it... given time of course and some space time magic in a barrel
 
An oil with a gelling agent in it would work quite nicely.
 
8:46 PM
like sawdust right?
 
Oil is "sticky" to begin with. A gelling agent would make it worse.
Maybe really fine sawdust might do it.
 
ok... thasts it for now i guess... i need to sleep
 
Greek fire was an incendiary weapon developed c. 672 and used by the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire. The Byzantines typically used it in naval battles to great effect, as it could continue burning while floating on water. It provided a technological advantage and was responsible for many key Byzantine military victories, most notably the salvation of Constantinople from two Arab sieges, thus securing the Empire's survival. The impression made by Greek fire on the western European Crusaders was such that the name was applied to any sort of incendiary weapon, including those used by Arabs, the...
 
thx alot for the answers
 
"This fire is made by the following arts. From the pine and the certain such evergreen trees inflammable resin is collected. This is rubbed with sulfur and put into tubes of reed, and is blown by men using it with violent and continuous breath. Then in this manner it meets the fire on the tip and catches light and falls like a fiery whirlwind on the faces of the enemies."
 
8:49 PM
@micovillena Good luck!
 
"Although the presence of either quicklime or saltpeter in the mixture cannot be entirely excluded, they were consequently not the primary ingredient.[58][45] Most modern scholars agree that Greek fire was based on petroleum, either crude or refined; comparable to modern napalm."
 
Napalm gives me the willies. Such nasty stuff.
 
@Green its very evil, but it clears LZs like nothing else
 
@James True that. Nasty but effective.
And it makes a nice short term area denial weapon.
 
yeah...
 
8:53 PM
@James There's a bunch of archival footage on Youtube about it's deployment during the Vietnam War. It's always from an aerial viewpoint but I don't want to imagine what it would be like from the ground.
 
@Green Yeah I have seen that stuff too...its incredible to watch...from above.
 
@James From above it's all "Oh pretty colors". From below....wow.
 
Fire is awesome...over there
Meeting, then I am out for the day. Take it easy.
 
@James See ya James.
 
later
 
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