The Frying Pan

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Stephie

05:54

@Cerberus I have a few jars next to the jam. :-)

@Cerberus I’m not sure. It’s not a regional staple and I have a very vague memory of trying it a very long time ago. Can’t really remember what I thought, but as it was so long ago, probably wasn’t too impressed. Hm. My neighbor down the street is right now visiting her parents in Holland. I could send her a message and ask her to bring me some?

7 hours later…

Cerberus

12:56

@Stephie Ah, so you don't have it in Germany?

7 hours ago, by Stephie

@Cerberus I have a few jars next to the jam. :-)

Then what were you talking about here ↑?

@Stephie Good! It's fairly cheap and can be bought at any supermarket. I recommend this brand (house brands may be too watery):

ah.nl/producten/product/wi32958/timson-rinse-appelstroop

Albert Heijn is the big supermarket chain that's everywhere.

And you can keep it forever. After sitting in an opened jar/can (with the lid closed) for a year, it only gets better.

Stephie

13:09

@Cerberus apple butter as in concentrated apple purée, appelstroop is juice-based. It is a “thing” in Germany as well, but not here. Rhineland has it, for example.

Cerberus

@Stephie Oh, I see.

I didn't really know what apple sauce was.

Apparently, it is apple purée, which, indeed, appelstroop is not.

I don't think of apple purée (appelmoes) as a sauce; do you?

Stephie

@Cerberus no, a sauce would be thinner!

Cerberus

Exactly!

But it is what Anglo-Saxons call "apple sauce", isn't it?

Stephie

Yep

Cerberus

I had forgotten about that.

Hey @Jolenealaska, how are you doing? Any news on recovery/therapy?

Stephie

13:28

German has that lovely (and half-forgotten) word “Mus”. (“Mush”)

Cerberus

13:51

@Stephie Yup same word!

I always through Dutch moes was from French mousse.

We have appelmoes, chocolademoes, etc.

There is also the older word moes indicating something to do with vegetables.

Whence moestuin.

Which one is your Mus?

Stephie

@Cerberus Gemüse. Vegetables. Or “the stuff you cook down to a mush.“

@Cerberus Unfortunately not the elegant mousse, just the humble mush.

Cerberus

Haha.

So this is very interesting.

> MOES:
↪1. Een of ander gerecht, gekookt of gestoofd van fijngehakte groente met verschillende toevoegsels.
+↪2. Ook in toepassing op eene spijs van gekookte vruchten, dus ongeveer: marmelade; in ouder tijd in toepassing op andere papachtige spijzen, en dan later ook wel: papachtige massa in ruimeren zin.
–↪3. Groente, in collectieve opvatting; verg. hd. gemüse. Deze beteekenis is waarschijnlijk de jongste; in Z.-N. in dien zin niet in gebruik.
↪— In Saksische streken heeft moes (moos) de bet. kool, soms ook boerenkool (men zegt ook boerenmoes: zie b.v. V. HALL, Landh. Flora 14 [1854]).

So the older meaning is a dish made of boiled or stewed vegetables.

Stephie

Have to read it thoroughly later. Am in a supermarket right now.

Cerberus

And "vegetables" is newer.

No need to read it all, I'm summarising hehe.

So it is probably related to Englush mush.

As to French mousse, I'll look that one up, too.

Stephie

German still has just “Gemüse”. In my childhood, all veggies were soft and often came with a bechamel-like sauce.

Cerberus

13:59

I remember Gemüse from a German computer game I played as a child.

So the etymology above suggests moes was first "dish made of stewed vegetables", then later "vegetables".

French mousse appears to be from a different origin.

Could be from Latin mulsum "spiced wine", which is from mel "honey".

Or it could be from Latin mustum "unfermented wine", from mustus "young, fresh".

So mousse is probably unrelated to moes/Mus.

But all three of these words may have blended together a bit at some point.

At least the last two, mustum and mulsum.

Stephie

Haha, the Latin expert in full swing!

I learned “mousse” is foam or fizz - like the new wine or champagne. Small bubbles.

But that may also be kitchen etymology, not language-based.

Faded Giant

@Cerberus Old High German muos originally was just "food" according to my dictionary.

Cerberus

@Stephie It is true for French, at least.

The concept of foam became connected to the word at some point in French.

@FadedGiant Yeah that's also what my dictionary says.

But it was derived from a Proto-German root meaning something like "mushy food".

Stephie

@FadedGiant hello-hello! Haven’t seen you in a while!

Faded Giant

@Stephie Hi!

Cerberus

14:13

And the Proto-Indo-European root is something like "get wet, drip (with water or fat)".

Related to Latin madeo "be wet".

Faded Giant

@Stephie And I am always around. But there isn't much to talk about since SE became so dead.

Stephie

@FadedGiant <sigh>

Cerberus

14:32

@FadedGiant When did it become dead?

Specific parts of SE?

Faded Giant

Good question. I think it was a slow death since 2018. The obvious big disaster one year ago might have been a culminating point, or maybe it was just another symptom.

I remember the times when there were always multiple busy chat rooms. Now chat is very quiet.

Stephie

@FadedGiant very. And I am watching chat pretty diligently.

Cerberus

14:55

@FadedGiant That was terrible indeed.

English chat became much quieter a few years ago, after some people who never visited the site started banning and suspending regular users.

Cooking chat used to be much busier, too, but I don't know when that changed.

Many years ago.

Stephie

For some regulars, life changed - new job, new relationships, kids...

Cerberus

Yeah, that happens.

But there should be a new influx.

2 hours later…

Faded Giant

16:33

Yes, there should be.

I am not sure that the planned replacement of many moderators is going to help with that.

Cerberus

@FadedGiant The ones who won't OK the so-called agreement?

Faded Giant

yes

SE will say it's because of protecting PII. Which we all know is a red herring since protecting PII is already well covered in the existing agreement.

Cerberus

I have no idea why they want a new agreement.

I didn't read it, on principle.

I just click such things.

One is not offered a choice, and they're not legally binding anyway.

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