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2:04 AM
@PrestonFitzgerald I've got one next door. Do you think the school would mind if I set out a bucket in the parking lot?
 
 
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7:18 AM
morning all
SAJ seen on Seasoned Advice yesterday!
 
He was?!?
 
@Jolenealaska yup
according to his profile
 
Ok. He's OK. So now I am just annoyed. That's a whole better than worried.
 
@Jolenealaska she says, polishing her rifle and booking tickets for Maryland
 
Yep:)
 
7:35 AM
'Ol' Painless is on the case
 
Funny thing happened today. I need to do laundry, was too lazy to do it today. I grabbed a t-shirt from the worn but still clean pile (ya know, barely worn?). I kept smelling something. What is that??
Remember the fennel experimentation?
As soon as I knew what it was, I stopped smelling it.
 
weird
is it neuron fatigue, or has the fennel evolved some kind of defence mechanism where it can mask its scent to avoid consumption?
 
It was POTENT at first. Very odd.
 
The Mysteries of Fennel, with Jolene D. Alaska
(I have no idea what the D stands for - let's go stereotypical American and say... Darlene)
 
Jolene Darlene?
 
7:47 AM
I figured your parents like 'lene'
 
Every time someone sings "Jolene" upon meeting me, I am so glad that my parents didn't name me "Lola".
 
Or Layla
Though if someone could play the riff I would probably just rock out with them
 
Hmm. You got me. Reference?
 
Ha
you know it, you just don't know you know it
 
Rhiannon is a name you don't want if you don't want to be serenaded.
Or Brandy
 
7:55 AM
AAH you're right. Immediately familiar.
 
@PrestonFitzgerald wherefore?
 
He's around somewhere. Or was anyway.
 
@Jolenealaska who?
you're talking to yourself...
that and the fennel-smelling - I'm going to have to go with 'finally gone 100% crazy'
 
Never mind. I thought it was you that made the post, not him.
 
7:57 AM
ah
wherefore means why, not where :)
 
So I just discovered Jacques Pepin the other day. How have I lived this long??
 
No way!
 
So I've been chain Pepin-ing on youtube
Maybe I'm just too young
 
He's been at it forever.
 
Or something. I'm really not sure.
 
7:57 AM
he makes a good omelette
 
He's brilliant
I've learned much in a short period of time
 
like Luke Skywalker on Dagobah
 
I learned about him watching a Gordon Ramsey "documentary"
 
He never bothers to measure anything. He just knows.
 
Some of his saute flips are downright pornographic
Haha. Relevant to your "doesnt measure things" point... I'm watching him make some oatmeal cookies with some co-host lady. He said just grab about 1.5 tablespoons (of cookie dough)
She reached for a tablespoon
he just grabbed some. shamed.
 
8:02 AM
ATK a while...
 
probably because he'd rather die than be seen using volume measures
 
@Jolenealaska ATK or AFK? Because I have no idea what ATK means...
 
Attack.
Run.
 
Whoops
 
8:04 AM
let's spend the time Jojo is away thinking of appropriate definitions for ATK
All Terrain Karate
Alaskan Tortoise Killing
Angry Traffic Kicking
Amazing Trifle Knibbling
 
BRB, Alaskan Tortoise Killing
 
makes two of you, apparently
 
There are no reptiles indigenous to Alaska. Factoid of the day.
 
Hence - KILL THE INVADERS!
 
I lost a Savannah Monitor (pet) once. I hope someone found him (her) before winter hit.
He/she/it had moments.
 
8:15 AM
Jacques is blowing my mind.
 
Have you seen the show he did with Julia Child? They were great friends.
 
He just made a mousse from a T-bone steak and then covered another t-bone steak in the mousse of his fallen brother.
 
@Jolenealaska knew this rang a bell
 
lol I love that site
 
How did you do that??
 
8:17 AM
>_>
 
@Jolenealaska do what? rifle through my old newspaper clippings filed under 'Cryptozoology'?
 
I used that generator for a blog post once.
 
That's awesome!
 
> walk up to any butcher and ask him to show you his pork
O.o
sounds like a wild weekend right there
 
Exactly
@Jolenealaska fodey.com is where that newspaper generator lives
 
8:22 AM
I am SOOO using that.
 
I have never heard of this technique. It's like a wellington. But with mousse. Mind=blown
beefception
We have to go deeper
 
@PrestonFitzgerald mousse en croute?
 
No. Though that looks tasty as hell.
 
@Jolenealaska if there happens to be a Shitkicker City in Okenagahapetan County, I am going to officially declare myself psychic
 
We don't actually have counties, so... still funny stuff.
 
8:29 AM
When you have no residents, what's the point of having counties?
:D
 
I loved 200+ deaths, $14 damage.
 
@Jolenealaska bah
@Jolenealaska then my work here is done :)
@Jolenealaska wait, so if it wasn't for that you would totally have believed it? Damn!
Do your research, Elendil, do your research...
 
Probably not. I did momentarily buy into the "Charles Manson Released" hoax though.
 
I was joking
 
My girlfriend put collars and rabies vaccination tags on my cats a couple of days ago. Now I constantly mistake them walking around for some stranger fumbling with their keys in my apartment.
 
8:34 AM
that's just what the Phantom Key Fumbler wants you to think
it's a classic MO - turn the girlfriend to your nefarious cause, persuade her to attach tags to boyfriend's cats, let him get used to the noise, then when he's fully lulled into a false sense of security...
Preston Fitzgerald
And on he moves to the next victim
 
On that note, I've got a lot to do tomorrow. G'night!
 
Bah!
 
@Jolenealaska Goodnight number 1
I look forward to Goodnight number 2 in approximately 45 minutes
 
G' night. :) Well, maybe.
 
8:38 AM
after you've pootled around the main site for a bit, forget you were going to bed, and come back here
 
 
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11:51 AM
I suspect @Jolenealaska has been lurking all this time, not wanting to give me the satisfaction by actually admitting still being up...
 
@PrestonFitzgerald perhaps you are Jojo
i've never seen you in the same room together >_>
 
That logic is infallable.
infallible
 
As always
so
i take it you are back from your island retreat?
 
12:05 PM
back to ol' Alabammy?
 
yeeeeeeah.
I'll escape one day
but it's home for now
 
sweet home?
<riff>
 
@PrestonFitzgerald you walked into that one
@BESW Greetings, your Guamishness
 
[wave]
What's new?
 
12:13 PM
oh, not much
SSDD
you?
I see a computer has passed the Turing Test. We could have saved them the effort and just wheeled @rumtscho in...
 
Got a new job writing copy as well as doing layout; trying not to get into too much trouble with that.
An old friend is visiting for a couple months and I've got him in my RPG group, so that's nice.
My dad's got a detached retina, which is less pleasant.
As I understand it, the computer pretended to be a 13-year-old. Given societal stereotypes about the mental and social abilities of teenagers, I suspect that's cheating.
We've abandoned grammar and spelling. We expect teens to be vapid imbeciles. Of course a machine pretending to be 13 passed the Turing Test.
 
@BESW turned him to the dark side, eh?
 
Aye.
 
the effects are similar: pale, pasty skin, tendency to lash out angrily at the slightest provocation (eg unfavourable D20 rolls), the desire to wear cloaks...
 
12:28 PM
We played a twosies game last weekend (my usual regular player is off island), had a lot of fun.
Next weekend, probably gonna have at least one more player.
 
Is a certain amount of acting required?
I would find it hard to suspend disbelief enough to enjoy it, I think
 
Not necessarily; RPGs can be played at whatever level of detachment the player/group is comfortable with. Some people like to speak as their character, others prefer to narrate their character's actions in third person.
 
Some groups stay in character, many more do not.
 
Most bounce through various "modes" as appropriate for the scene/action.
 
hmmmm
 
12:55 PM
my avatar has gone back to being pink
it was green on Friday
 
Maybe it's trying to tell you something
 
impending colour blindness?
 
It's a girl!
Scotch and cigars for everyone
 
3 x wrong there
I am male, teetotal and don't smoke
your failure is as complete as it is irrevocable
 
1:11 PM
That's why your avatar is trying to set you straight. Seems like you've got it all wrong.
Not smoking is hardly a reason to deny a cigar to celebrate your very own male birth
 
what other reason would there be?
 
Proximity to a gas station.
Irrational fear of fun.
If you happened to have a fax literally made of wax.
(for fear of melting)
Those are good reasons to deny a cigar.
uhm
fax = face
What a strange leap of spelling logic that was. I'm tired.
 
Not wanting to inhale poisonous and addictive chemicals, perhaps?
 
just throwing that one out there
 
1:28 PM
I think it's mostly due to the dramatic camera angle
 
and terrible focus and exposure
 
It's like a chicken horror story
We'll never know the truth
 
the Blair Chicken Project
 
Don't go in the kitchen alone!
 
1:59 PM
@ElendilTheTall that makes me want to dig up a video I made in high school
we made a Blair Santa Project
 
 
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9:24 PM
@PrestonFitzgerald Speaking of scary chickens, have you seen my fuchsia one? cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/39436/… Scary
@Cerberus I just got a notification about moderator elections on ELU. Have you nominated yourself? I'd vote for you.
 
@Jolenealaska Hello!
I have not.
 
Hi Cerby!
 
I always complain about how boring and unnecessary all the discussions about closing questions are, so I couldn't in good conscience nominate myself...
 
I'd vote for you and do a little campaigning if you'd like
As a mod you could have more influence about that.
Personally, I think it's cool that you have such command of the English language even though it's not your first. Since I speak exactly one language fluently, I find that impressive. I like your attitude too. I'd totally vote for you (if I can talk you into nominating yourself)
I just looked at your profile a bit on ELU meta. You'd be a natural.
Hmm. Ignoring me? OK. Wanna talk about food? I've got an interesting fennel experiment going on.
 
10:00 PM
@Jolenealaska I'm sorry!
I got messages from my (prospective) lover on my phone...
 
OOH! I love the prospective stage!
 
@Jolenealaska You are too kind!
But I am in many ways opposed to the communis opinio on ELU...
And I think most debates about policy are nuts.
So I don't think I'd be a suitable representative of the people there.
 
That's a reason to nominate yourself, not a reason to not do it.
 
But you're supposed to carry out SE policy.
 
In a democracy, we need minority voices.
 
10:03 PM
But in many cases it's less frustrating for minorities to simply abstain...
 
True. But that's what's good for you (nothing wrong with that), not necessarily what's good for the community.
Personally, I think ELU could use a bit of shaking up.
 
@Jolenealaska Possibly...but I'm not sure it is proper form to be a hornet and take up a seat in a bee's nest.
 
@Jolenealaska well it depends if he likes the conclusions of the community
 
One of those cute, hexagonal seats.
@Jolenealaska Oh, yeah? In what way?
 
one of the suckiest parts of being a mod is that you have to enforce what the community wants rather than what you want
basically, your opinion gets put on hold
that said, when you participate in meta discussions, people do tend to give you more weight
 
10:06 PM
I hardly post there because I'm scared of being shot down. It's too rigid.
I actually enjoy ELL more. I've even learned things there.
 
that said, sometimes mods do work against what the community wants if the community is hurting itself or trying to
but that's more of a rare case
 
@AJHenderson Yes, that is exactly the problem. I'm not sure I would want to either enforce things I disagree with or continually argue and disagree with my fellow moderators, whom I consider to some degree friends.
 
That is an issue I can totally understand.
 
There's an amusing case in rpg.se where the meta discussion arrived at one decision, but all the community's voting choices reflect the opposite sentiment. The mods agree with the sentiment expressed in action, and said in meta that they plan to enforce accordingly.
 
@Jolenealaska Ah OK, yes, that is part of the problem as I see it. But all the high-reps disagree.
 
10:11 PM
@Cerberus for the most part, I wouldn't so much worry about that being a problem. All the moderators I know are pretty light hearted types, especially amongst other mods. For the most part, mods just get frustrated by users that consistently and regularly make our lives difficult, not so much other mods we may disagree about something with
and the other thing that running could be good for is that if you mention in your nomination what you want to see different, then it lets the community speak towards if they want that or not
 
I don't like questions closed because answers can be found elsewhere. Imagine if SA was like that. We'd have like 10 questions.
 
@Jolenealaska that sounds like a good possibility for being something where a mod could step in and force open
another SE site? or another part of the internet?
 
I probably have 10 highly voted accepted answers here that I was able to answer from reading sites I found on Google.
 
@BESW Then I wonder why people from Meta didn't vote elsewhere?
 
@Cerberus that's also a case where mods are supposed to step in. High rep users shouldn't be able to hijack a site
though it is also a careful balance since your high rep users tend to be the biggest contributors to the site too
but a site full of high rep users isn't worth much if nobody new likes it
 
10:14 PM
@Cerberus Oh, it's the same people in many cases. Just that in meta we were all very theoretical and talked ourselves into one notion... then when we ran into in the real world common sense prevailed.
 
@AJHenderson I am already continually arguing with the moderators! That would be unlikely to change! But now at least there is a clear winning party.
@Jolenealaska But that happens to be policy...and the way SE wants it, it appears...
 
@Cerberus is it questions with answers on other SE sites?
 
@AJHenderson Umm the high-reps and the mods agree about this.
 
@Jolenealaska Often a question like that suffers a different problem as well: SE specialises in answering specific questions about real problems people face, and many questions which could be easily and trivially answered by another website wouldn't be answerable that way except they're asked too generally out of a misguided attempt to be more useful to other people.
If the question gets edited with more specifics about the querent's specific challenge, it becomes a better question that other sites can't answer equally well.
 
the general SE policy is that a question shouldn't be asked on more than one site
in SE
but should live wherever it fits best
 
10:16 PM
@BESW Hmm OK, that can happen...
 
but if there isn't an answer without going outside of SE, then it should be fair if it is on topic
 
@AJHenderson No, more like things that can be found through some Googling, or on Wikipaedia.
 
@Cerberus yeah, unless it is off topic due to being too basic, then it should probably be ok
what is "too basic" is something left up to the community generally though
 
@AJHenderson Well, apparently it is not.
 
@Cerberus I'm not familiar with the specific situation, but something does sound kind of broken there
 
10:17 PM
That's what I'm talking about. Obviously most questions about cooking belong here. We have some overlap with physics and chemistry, but not much.
 
I enjoy posting answers occasionally. And chatting. I don't enjoy the endless policy debates.
 
@Cerberus Specifically it was about the scope of setting questions on the site. RPGs can and do use any and every setting, fictional or historical. This means that questions about ANYTHING from 1920s telephones to ion propulsion systems are related to RPGs. There's an ongoing conversation about where to draw the line so rpg.se doesn't turn into a site where literally everything is on topic.
 
@AJHenderson The situation is kind of unclear. We once agreed on Meta that the things I mentioned (Google, Wiki) did not count towards "too basic", but there is a current of users who close such questions. It may have become sort of the communis opinio by now, not sure.
 
If it's a part of a RPG you're playing, then it's on topic. Isn't it?
 
@Cerberus too basic shouldn't be defined on ease of discovery
the point of an SE site is to be the one stop shop for information about a subject
 
10:20 PM
@Jolenealaska Meta discussions tend to conclude that a wider scope is better. In practice, we flag and close most questions that are about non-RPG-specific settings (like 1920s New England) unless their answers obviously need an RPG perspective. History, fantasy, and science sites are better suited to answer them otherwise.
 
@AJHenderson Exactly!
 
information either fits the topic or not, but "it can be found somewhere else" is not a valid reason
 
@BESW Hmm as long as it is about an actual or hypothetical RPG, all of those topics should be on topic?
@AJHenderson That was the conclusion on Meta. But the community does not seem to want it so.
 
If my garlic turns blue and I don't know why, I'm not going to Google first, I'll come here.
 
@Cerberus There are many subjects which are technically "on topic" in SE sites which are nonetheless thrown out. For example, anything which asks for an endless iterative list is frowned at by nearly ever SE site.
 
10:21 PM
I know the answers here are going to be correct.
 
@Jolenealaska Really?
 
@BESW I'd hazard the difference in scope is probably the level of detail needed in an answer. You don't need (or particularly want) a highly detailed primer in ion propulsion, You want to know, what's a believable enough way to make an ion drive fail
 
@Cerberus which?
 
You would not first Google it?
 
@BESW well, it has to be a good question for the Q/A format, that's true
but they aren't thrown out because they aren't on topic
they are thrown out because they don't fit the format
just because a question is on topic doesn't make it a good question
 
10:23 PM
To be honest, I normally research anything I need to know myself. I would normally not ask on SE. The few times that I have, I usually didn't get a useful answer. Sometimes, however, I found the information I needed through Google on some SE site.
 
No. I'd come here first. If there is an answer (blue garlic is a good example) then I wouldn't bother Googling.
 
Search never seems to work well for me on SE...
 
I admit, I normally google first when I have a question
 
And Googling also searches SE. It's just faster.
 
If there isn't a good Q&A here, I'll ask here, then Google.
 
10:24 PM
and come here if I can't find it
@Cerberus exactly
if I can find it on google, I do, if I see an SE link in google results, I click it first
and if I can't find it on Google, I ask it here first
about the whole "too basic" argument. There actually use to be a reason like that for closing and it was actually removed
network wide
it's common for people that are knowledgable and established not to want to deal with basic questions, but they often forget that people do need basic answers and that basic answers tend to not have a lot of variety, so you answer them once with a good generic question and any future question like that is closed as duplicate
but it takes a few regular users of the site keeping track of what has and hasn't been answered and marking stuff as duplicates for that to work well
 
I don't want "what is a leek?" but I do want "how do I most effectively clean a leek?"
 
@AJHenderson Mmm. Quite often it goes hand-in-hand. A question that gets asked better becomes more on topic. "Were telephones common in rural 1920s Massachusetts?" can be re-phrased as "Should an investigator (Call of Cthulhu player character) need to roll or otherwise exert effort to find a telephone in Innsmouth?"
 
@BESW yep, scoping of questions is key
and balancing too generic and not generic enough is also a trick
since there are other games that might have similar situations
a really ideal form of the question would be "Should a roll be required to find a telephone in 1920s Massachusetts?"
it is indifferent to the particular game, but asks if the effort of finding one should reflect needing effort, regardless of other factors
 
We've found there's no such thing as "not generic enough." Generalised questions get sadly vague answers which may not be useful to the specific situation, but specific answers are easier to generalise to someone else's problem and can demonstrate the process of addressing a particular situation.
 
yeah, that's part of the challenge of good questions. Often, if you don't know the answer, you can't make a good question
because often the answerer is the one who knows what parts of the question are important
and which parts are not
for example, perhaps phones were equally common regardless of where you were in the US in the 1920s
in which case Massachusetts doesn't matter
I often find myself answering questions and simultaneously editing them to focus them on the core of what they were asking
 
10:34 PM
@AJHenderson We have that reason on ELU. It's called "general reference". It is meant for what you can look up in a basic grammar book or dictionary without requiring further explanation.
@AJHenderson Frankly, I find answering the same question again more fun than hunting for duplicates.
@Jolenealaska How do you do it? (See, I enjoy asking in chat more!)
 
I ask stuff in chat all the time. And I show off here!
see my pretty cinnamon brioche?
 
@Cerberus more fun, but less useful
@Cerberus yeah, but that's clearly defined and goes for scope
ELU isn't a dictionary. That's a fair scoping
 
I generally answer duplicates but VTC too.
 
@AJHenderson I don't know, is finding duplicates useful?
 
@Jolenealaska ideally, you want to answer the suggested duplicate if you haven't yet and VTC dupe
otherwise a mod just has to come through and merge after the fact
 
10:39 PM
@AJHenderson Well, it is not clearly defined, apparently, because many people want to close questions that can easily be Googled or found on Wiki.
 
which tends to make us cranky ;)
 
@AJHenderson gotcha
 
@Cerberus the idea with dupes is that SE tries to have the best available answers for a question. If a question is materially the same as another, then it isn't useful to split the answers so that only one of them has the best answer
finding the duplicate lets both questions benefit from the answers to either
@Jolenealaska that said, I'll still sometimes either answer or comment if it isn't quite a perfect fit to give whatever small bit of additional information may be needed to make it fit. I tend to do it in comments more than answers now though
@Cerberus clearly defined and what is actually followed don't always correspond :/
 
Sometimes though, it's welcoming. I mean I didn't actually answer this, but I helped a newbie without being rude. cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/40045/…
 
we have less of a clear definition on Sound Design and it makes things challenging at times
 
10:42 PM
@AJHenderson In the kind of cases we were talking about, simple questions, there is no real "best answer", so that doesn't really matter.
 
@Cerberus well, if there isn't a "right" answer, then it isn't a particularly good question either
generally a question should be able to have a "best" answer
even if it is simply the best explanation
 
@AJHenderson But what is "clearly defined": in the Meta discussion? In another Meta discussion? In what people say "yes" to in chat?
 
@Cerberus the clear definition is "can be found in a dictionary or grammar book without further reference"
in other words, if dictionary.com is sufficient answer, it is off topic
 
@AJHenderson There are enough simple question where the answer is really simple enough for many people to come up with materially the same answer.
 
if there is complexity beyond that that needs explanation, it is on topic
 
10:45 PM
@AJHenderson That would be clear, if it were widely agreed upon...
 
@Cerberus the "best" is then whichever is most clear
 
@AJHenderson Many are equally clear.
 
Here's a great example of the fine line on dupes: cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/43834/…
 
@Cerberus if it is a close reason, then it was widely agreed upon at one point
close reasons are not trivially added
 
So you would think. But alas.
 
10:46 PM
it's one of the few actions that actually requires two moderators to approve and is supposed to have a meta discussion before it and show clear community concensus
 
I thought it was clearly agreed upon, but many people now say no.
 
@Cerberus then there isn't any point in additional answers to the same question
so it still makes sense to VTC as dupe
@Cerberus then they should move to try and get the VTC reason changed
but that would be on them to get sufficient community consensus to further narrow the site scope
 
@AJHenderson There is point, but there isn't any disadvantage either. That's what I meant.
 
@Cerberus just that it is messy
SE's goal is to avoid duplication of information as much as possible within SE
 
@AJHenderson They simply say the reason includes x and vote accordingly. Maybe they are wrong, but I cannot stop them.
 
10:48 PM
and just because there isn't an obvious "best" doesn't mean one isn't the prefered answer by most people that have the question
 
@AJHenderson "Messy"...what if people don't care about that?
 
@Cerberus yeah, but as a mod, if a reason is used incorrectly, then you can
part of moderating is preventing high rep users from justifying their actions against community standards by over-extending things like that
 
If most people seem to have chosen to interpret the closing-reason in a certain way that I think is wrong, I'm not sure I would want to force my will upon them.
 
and if they want to change it, then a meta discussion has to occur and a concensus reached. They can't simply decide that because you can find a result on Google, it is able to be found in a dictionary
because that isn't what the scope can reasonably be argued to mean
 
The "community" is in practice also the high-reps, because they tend to be active in Meta.
 
10:51 PM
the thing about moving against what appears to be the communities wishes is that it also does put the onus on you to make a meta discussion about it
 
@AJHenderson You can always choose to interpret things in weird ways. For example, they say the first couple of Google results count as a "work of general reference".
 
and seek to gather consensus, but if it can't be found, then whatever was consensus stands
@Cerberus I would argue that Google is not a general reference. I can ask Google very specific questions and find a result in the first few results
 
But..but..don't we want to BE an early Google result?
 
the "entire contents of the internet" is not "general reference"
 
@AJHenderson But they would argue otherwise.
@Jolenealaska That was exactly what we said in the Meta thread.
 
10:53 PM
@Cerberus yeah, but I'd argue that isn't a reasonable interpretation and that they need to define it more clearly. I'd probably also put a couple of very, very, non-general reference questions that get google results. Perhaps things that give results of one of their top answers
 
@AJHenderson There is no truth. Laws are nothing without interpretation, and people can pick what I consider twisted interpretations...
 
and then suggest that we should delete their answer as well since it is "general reference"
 
I was tickled pink when Dad told me that he Googled a cooking question and got an answer from me.
2
 
@Cerberus yes, but that's why mods exist
or part of it
 
I don't know what my or your original point was...
@Jolenealaska Haha really! That is so cool.
 
10:55 PM
mods are like judges in that regard. We don't write the rules, but we interpret them
 
Yeah. I taught him how to perfectly fry an egg!
 
and when we have to, we double check to make sure the broader community agrees with the interpretation or try to get it more clear
 
@Jolenealaska Ohh very advanced haha.
@AJHenderson What if you just didn't agree with certain things most mods did, and with many rules imposed by SE?
 
@Cerberus All this time he had been doing it wrong :)
 
11:25 PM
@Jolenealaska Haha how can you fry an egg incorrectly?
 
He was trying to get runny yolks and solid whites. He didn't know about using a lid. He Googled and got this: cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/40270/…
 
Hmm but I never use a lid, and my yolks naturally remain runny?
 
Eh, there are other methods that work. The lid isn't the be all and end all, but Dad ultimately got the eggs he wanted :) He was trying to duplicate what he had in a diner. His whites were solid, he liked that. Now he knows a trick.
 
@Cerberus SE stuff goes, if mods have a disagreement, then it is really go to the community for consensus and/or talk to the CM if that isn't clear
but as previously mentioned, the annoying part is that sometimes the community does disagree with you, and when that actually is the case, you still have to follow the general community concensus
learning to act in a detached manner is a valuable skill for a mod
 
11:53 PM
hullo all
 
Hi @logophobe. Whazzup?
 

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