Consider turning their data compression on in google chrome settings

If you wrap your google device in 10 layers of good copper mesh, not more than say 5 cm, I think your problems would be solved.

@SAJ14SAJ Sorry, but your solution lacks finesse.

@rumtscho But it is oh so effective, and definitely much easier than the "bury it 10 feet deep" method.

@rumtscho Ouch! Yes, tethering can be risky...

@SAJ14SAJ would you pay 300 Euros just to have a piece of glass and silicone buried 10 feet deep around you?

@derobert Ahh good to know!

@Cerberus well, it was just surprising for me this time. I have a 1 GB volume package for a flat price.

@SAJ14SAJ I think the proper way to deal with this involved aluminium foil.

@rumtscho Next time, maybe set a data limit before you turn on tethering, just to be sure.

Or install Bytes Insight or similar...

Somebody really needs a picture of her with an aluminum foil hat on now...

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@Cerberus I probably won't use it much anyway. The tablet is intended as a couch potato device.

@derobert What does it show, bandwidth used?

I have used such an application.

@rumtscho Hah. Noted.

Yep. It pops up a notification when data is being used,

What I am still looking for is an application that can limit the data used by individual applications.

Say, for example, I want to limit Google synch to 100 MB.

@rumtscho I am not sure I would pay 300 euros for any tablet!

@Cerberus if you're rooted, that's probably doable with iptables or something

@derobert Right. But the problem would seem to be linking data usage per app to disconnecting the app?

No answers :-( Cerby, you are an android pariah!

@Cerberus well, you'd insert a firewall rule from that app's userid, drop on floor

@derobert Right! So you think it would be simple to program? Is there an easy way for an app to monitor how many data other apps use? At least Android can monitor this, but...

@SAJ14SAJ I know!! It sucks.

Even if I had an application that could warn me when a certain app was using too many data, that would be helpful: I could perhaps come up with a solution using Tasker.

@Cerberus Android does it through iptables, if I remember right. Not sure how hard it is to get the info it has collected. Probably not that bad if rooted

@Cerberus well, that data usage thingy I linked to warns you when data is being used above a certain threshold, and it shows per-app breakdowns

@derobert Yes, the IP-tables thing would not be hard, consider e.g. AFWall+.

@derobert But Android already does that.

What I want is a warning per app.

"Google update has used 100 MB on your 3G-connection!"

well, it must be doable, as that app does it (and it doesn't even require root...)

Does it give you a warning like the above?

@Cerberus It sounds like what you have here is a market opportunity!

Get crackin!

Get your coding minions coding.

But I'm no programmer.

@SAJ14SAJ What do you think I'm doing here??

i will savagely beat the next programmer that puts a subselect in a function....

You can make a mint. A small dinner mint, probably, maybe one of those powdery ones that people's grandmothers served. But a mint.

looks at you askance

@Cerberus If you think we are a minion, any brain or brains you have needs an adjustment :-)

We are not the hench-being types.

@Cerberus sort of, look at the screenshots

Where there's a will, there's a way.

@derobert Don't encourage him!

@SAJ14SAJ he's European, he won't be able to get a gun to actually shoot the screen. So it's OK.

i suspecting no answers on the magic cake science

@rfusca Me too, but it was a good question to ask... and I am curious.

@derobert I don't see any warning based on per-app data usage, just a notification that is a summary of the menu Settings > Data Usage?

If I ask a question here, it often goes without satisfactory answers. Cannot even imagine why.

@SAJ14SAJ indeed

@SAJ14SAJ The reason is that you and I can Google.

I should have had Cerby ask it.

@Cerberus Hmm... no, that is crazy talk.

@SAJ14SAJ You need to invest in multiple personalities.

So if we can't find it, it must be a really hard question.

Or sock puppets, at least.

That is how I got the rep I have!

I have 35 old netbooks from the netbook crazy era, all programmed to upvote me randomly.

@rfusca Can you, oh mighty DBA, enlighten us poor programmers what a subselect is?

Its a select statement within a select statement.

I hope I am allowed to say that @rumtscho

@SAJ14SAJ I wouldn't dream of hurting your N-th amendment right of free speech.

@rumtscho a subselect (in this case) would be a function that SELECTs from another table in the function, rather than just performing logic

But how can a subselect be put in a function?

@SAJ14SAJ I knew it!!

@rfusca IIRC, Rummy is not using the Oraculean solution, but rather the Redmondian.

And then they do something stupid like this: SELECT function1(value) from tableWithBillionsOfRows;

@SAJ14SAJ shrug ya, I didn't think she was using Oracle, I'm just venting

@rfusca I didn't know if create function was a common SQL command, or a wierd Oraculean perversion. We just implemented peoplesoft so I am feeling very Oracle-burned.

I hate, hate, hate, hate their dev tools, and I only have to do light querying.

@SAJ14SAJ using Oracle SQL Developer?

But all of HR is open to me! Muhahahahahhahhahha.

I use that or SQLplus.

But mostly C# once I figure out the queries.

I think rfusca doesn't even know of my recent turn to Microsoft

Oh SQLplus is like something out of the 1970s

For a whle, it was all I had.

I still haven't found a way to get a simple CSV dump for a query.

Which would be nice for the occassional ad-hoc.

@rfusca I started a half-time dev job a year ago, so now I am close to the real IT life, not just studying it in theory. And we are doing .NET.

We do have a database of course, but we are mostly staying away from it.

@SAJ14SAJ You can't. The closest is doing an 'export' out of SQL Developer

@SAJ14SAJ Its one of the biggest grips about Oracle - its intentionally hard to get your data out of their system

@rumtscho oh interesting

It gets mapped to a model layer in ASP .NET MVC and all the logic happens in code. Even most queries are linq, from the business objects.

what kind of application?

@rumtscho Ya, thats common these days

A titanic of a Web application.

I am at the German cancer research center, and the scientists want to describe the experiments they did on animals

@rumtscho ....so its sinking?

or rather, the board of directors wants our scientists and those of other institutions to input their data there, kinda crowdsourced science

It has not left the dry dock yet, so we don't know if it will float or sink

but with all the flying buttressess my product owner insists we absolutely have to tack on, I think it will have a rough time

@rumtscho interesting

well, best of luck lol

I have a love-hate relationship with .NET

mostly that I love to hate it

Oh, I like it a lot. I haven't used another language as efficient for the developer as .NET. The other developer on our team agrees, he is coming from a Java background and says that .NET is much better.

@rumtscho well, compared to Java...sure lol

It's not just the language, it is the whole comfort of the development platform. Visual Studio makes programming and debugging really easy. I did a small personal project in Scala 2-3 months ago. Scala is a great language, but when I had to debug it, it was a real pain.

ya, Scala....

I'm a big Python fan

I don't know Python. I tried learning it once, but I didn't have much use for programming at that time, and forgot whatever I read because I never practiced.

Scala feels much better than what I remember from Python though. Also much better than C#.

At least the language constructs feel better. The way it treats functional programming and inheritance is very convenient. But I must say that C# has done good progress in that direction too.

@rumtscho yup

i haven't touched much of those kinds of programming langues in years though

I deal almost exclusively with SQL and its variants

@rfusca I am sure your applications are much more efficient than mine

I just can afford having a comfortable way of programming on a more abstract level and not think much about performance.

@rumtscho ya I wish that was the case lol

@rfusca Sounds like a market opportunitiy :-)

@SAJ14SAJ not really - there's tools to export a csv - but most databases have an internal tools that skips a lot of the client overhead to just produce a csv file directly from the database. For me to fulfill the market, I'd have to work at Oracle ;)

like postgres COPY for example

I was thinking of making a very trivial light weight .NET app, and releaseing it as freeware. You put in some connection credentials, and a SQL statement. It gives back whatever the results are as a CSV.

@SAJ14SAJ Ya, thats' not really the issue - there's already a dozen ways to do it from a client. But they're really slow. Need a server side solution.

Heya

@SAJ14SAJ Haha, I was planning to ask it! You beat me to it :P

@Mien :-)

@Mien You are on late... what is for dinner?

@rfusca That would be working around the whole client server architecture thing....

Dinner's been served :) sausages with boiled potatoes and spinach-with-cream

What kind of sausage? :-)

regular belgian sausage :P

I think pork/beef mixture, or just pork

@SAJ14SAJ hence why I would need to work at Oracle :)

I don't know what a regular belgian sausage is like--there are so many types of sausage here I don't think I could point at a "regular" one.

@rfusca My needs would be satisfied more than engouh if Developer Annoyer could save results as CSV. How can they miss something so obvious?

Developer Annoyer?

Oracle SQL developer can

@rfusca In my dreamy dream world, there would be a virtual SQL server where you could map a virtual table or view onto an actual table or view on an Oracle, SQL, Postgress, whatever server, and then do queries against them joining from Microsoft to Oracle. That would make my life dreamer.

@rfusca Really? I have never figured out how.

@SAJ14SAJ Right click on your result set and 'export' ....

I seem to recall never making that actually, you know, work.

i haven't tried it in a while.

I stay out of the Oracle backend as muich as possibvle.

But make no mistake, I have complete and unfettered access to the HR tables. Muhahahahahahhahah., the power is mine. Muhahahaha. Fear me!

@SAJ14SAJ lol

I cannot recall why, since that should be simple and obvious, but I don't recall that I ever had it work for me.

@SAJ14SAJ odd

I'd definitely upgrade to the newest version though. version 4 came out pretty recently and is much better

meanwhile, make sure you use 'Greenshot' for screenshots...its really very cool and even comes with a built in obfuscate tool

@rfusca Never heard of it. I use SnagIt, which has a blur function as well.

@rfusca Very Meta, with annotations :-)

I didn't turn the blur up very high :-)

@Cerberus Kittenzilla!

Yeah!!

Like Firefox.

I don't follow you at all there.

Mozilla.

Ah

Good night!

@Mien Dpm

Don't let the bed bugs bite

Night!

@SAJ14SAJ What would you propose she do about it?

no one has ever saud

Saud?

That would be a typo for said, when I am multitasking

Ah, no one has ever mentioned anything that one can do about it.

Proverbs are not known for being overly helpful or specific, and aphorisms are even worse.

My laptop is dead. RIP.

You shouldn't kill things, it's not nice

If I was @derobert I am sure I would reporpose the parts which are mostly good. It ell and damaged its power recepitcal :-(

I think it may have been suicide. Or feline sponsored violence.

Dell wants $170 just for me to send it in, and more if the mother board has to be replaced, and they say the power receptical which is damaged is part of the mother board!!!!

ARrggghh..

Not worth repairing.

If it was a car, it would be totalled.

I am venting.

Arrrgghhhh.

@Cerberus She could wrap herself in plastic wrap, I suppose?

I'd just take it apart and resolder the plug

@SAJ14SAJ That sucks. But the only parts I've ever swiped out of a laptop is the HDD and RAM...

This is not a skillset I have, sadly, @rfusca

I am thinking the little monitor should be good for something, but I don't have the skill to take it off and make it work independently. And then there would be the whole power issue.

@rfusca At least there is a chance the power plug is through-hole, unlike the rest of the board which is going to be surface mount

Personally, I can probably manage through-hole, definitely not surface mount.

@SAJ14SAJ Yeah. It just struck me how odd the expression actually is.

@SAJ14SAJ Aww that sucks! You could look up whether or not the motherboard is replaceable by hand. Probably not...

What model is it?

Dell only seems to have low end laptops with the %@@%@% @chicklet style keyboard which I hate, hate, hate, hate.

@derobert Including her head? Or she would be bitten in her nose.

Any geeky low end US laptop recommendsations. 15 inch, do web and remote, maybe play games. Decent processor but not a powerhouse. Cheap is good. non chicklet keyboard.

@SAJ14SAJ What are you looking for in a laptop?

@Cerberus Well, maybe she could get a Pussy Riot mask to protect her face?

Ah.

My last one arrived, the one that just died, and I found the chicklet keyboard from hell. I never did get used to that abomination.

@SAJ14SAJ tweakers.net/categorie/496/laptops/producten/…

I know it's not American, but the filters on this site are superb, and it has tons of different laptops, also from Amazon.

I'm sure you can get most of those in America. I've set some filters for you that I think are good, like an SSD and 4 GB of RAM.

Most power plug that are surface mount have large enough pads to resolder

@rfusca On a custom OEM laptop like Dell, unlikely. THey are very cost conscious, and surface mount is cheaper.

You can depending on the pad size

And power pads are usually large

I am failing to find a laptop for about $500 that doesn't have the deaded chicletia disease. Apple does this, its a terrible human factors decision, and now everyone has tp?