The Frying Pan

Cerberus

17:00

We say 4 mei and 5 mei for dodenherdenking and bevrijdingsdag, but those are long words.

Especially 4 mei is very common.

SAJ14SAJ

Its a reasonable speculation.

Cerberus

But we use the names of the events for all other days, like Koninginnedag.

And "30 april" is a lot longer than 4 mei.

SAJ14SAJ

Well, interestingly, the fourth of july is one of our holidays with a fixed date.

Many are things like the "third Thursday in November" or whatever, without a fixed date.

Cerberus

Yes, we say Prinsjesdag for the third Tuesday in September.

SAJ14SAJ

Prince's day?

Cerberus

17:02

"Little-princes day".

SAJ14SAJ

Hey , I was close :-)

Cerberus

Very!

SAJ14SAJ

Do you have a little prince?

Cerberus

Prins = prince; -je = little; -s = plural.

We do not.

SAJ14SAJ

Okay, I just googled it, and it looks like the day of a policy speach. Why the name?

Cerberus

17:03

I don't know why it's called that. It is the day when the yearly government budget is officially presented to the King, or something.

SAJ14SAJ

I am glad to see other places are just as irrational as we are.

Cerberus

An important element is the King's carriage, which goes a certain route around The Hague.

SAJ14SAJ

Aha. One gaines insight into kookje, as little cake :-)

Cerberus

So Prinsjesdag sounds like a nickname, perhaps because little princes were very visible to the people on that day?

@SAJ14SAJ Koekje, exactly! Your -ie is the same suffix.

SAJ14SAJ

I figured it was a transphonification during the adoption process. I just made that word up :-)

Cerberus

17:05

But a koek is basically anything disc-shaped that has been cooked. No doubt from cooking.

SAJ14SAJ

Not sure it is morphemic. It may be. "girlie" is a diminutive of girl.

So small round cooked thing :-)

Like a hamburger! :-)

Cerberus

Yeah, the English suffix is odd.

SAJ14SAJ

Its probably a non-productive morpheme.

Kitty, doggy, bunny.

Fishy.

Birdie. It works for most animals.

Girraffie. NO.

Cerberus

@SAJ14SAJ I guess it would have been called that, long ago. Nowadays, only pastry can be a koek.

SAJ14SAJ

Not all animals.

Yes, and corn which is what we call maize used to be the word for small round things. Like corn kernals, or salt. Thus corned beef.

Cerberus

17:07

Except that the placenta is also called the "moederkoek".

SAJ14SAJ

Mothers cake?

Cerberus

I guess.

SAJ14SAJ

On the other hand, it could be a coincidence.

Cerberus

Nah.

SAJ14SAJ

Not all phonemically identical sequences are the same morpheme.

Cerberus

17:08

In a chemical experiment, you could say, "the solid parts formed a hard koek at the bottom of the vat".

@SAJ14SAJ Yes, but everything matches up with moederkoek.

SAJ14SAJ

YEs, and we use the word cake for more than food like things.

Cerberus

Yeah, I might even use cake for that in English!

Or at least the verb.

SAJ14SAJ

Cerberus

?

SAJ14SAJ

That object is called a "urinal cake" for example, and you surely would not want to eat it. Sorry ladies, yes, this is a real thing.

Cerberus

17:10

Ah OK.

We would call that...I have no idea.

It's small, maybe a tablet?

SAJ14SAJ

Maybe 5 or 8 cm.

Cerberus

A block?

SAJ14SAJ

We tend to only call squarish things blocks.

Its more a... cake.

Roundish.

Cerberus

Blocks are usually cubes or squarish, yes.

But I think we can extend it to such objects, especially with -je, "WC-blokje".

SAJ14SAJ

If cow patties were not called patties they could be very easily called bovine cakes.

In fact, the word patty is quite semantically similar.

Washroom little block?

Cerberus

17:12

Ding!

I don't think we have patty.

In fact, I know it only from hamburger patties.

SAJ14SAJ

And then, to top it all off, there is the toddler's game, patty cake. I don't know what the import of that is!

Cerberus

Probably of great import, for the participating toddlers.

Mien

@Cerberus And Patty from The Simpsons

Cerberus

Don't know the Simpsons very well...

SAJ14SAJ

I don't know why I am posting such icky things, but this is a cow patty:

Cerberus

17:13

Eww.

SAJ14SAJ

Patty is a common name for girls, and an uncommon one for boys, especially of Irish descent.

Cerberus

I think I have heard that. We call it by a special word, vijg.

@Mien Or, wait, is vijg only for horses?

SAJ14SAJ

Hey, cow patties are valuable. For fertalizer, or in some parts of the world, when dried, for fuel.

Cerberus

Een koeienvijg?

Mien

@SAJ14SAJ Cow tart :P

Cerberus

17:14

Lovely.

Mien

@Cerberus Nope, paardenvijg of koeienvla/koeienvlaai

or "taart", not "koeientaart" I think

Cerberus

Hmm koeienvlaai, I may have heard that.

Taart I would never say.

SAJ14SAJ

@Cerberus You did, before, in the context of lemons!!!

Cerberus

Yes, koeienvlaai is what I'd say if I had to say something. But it's stuck away somewhere deep into my brain.

SAJ14SAJ

It was something like limontaart!

Cerberus

17:16

@SAJ14SAJ Lemon ≠ bovine digestive system.

SAJ14SAJ

Well, its not like I talk about the side affects of owning cows much these days either.

Cerberus

A vlaai is actually a kind of pie.

SAJ14SAJ

But having grown up in Michigan until I was about 5, I can still recall the aroma!

Cerberus

But I happen to dislike vlaaien anyway.

I often played between the cows near my parents' house.

Mien

@Cerberus King or kind? :P

SAJ14SAJ

17:17

@Cerberus So you have surely stepped in it!

Cerberus

Haha kind! Do you like vlaaien?

Here they are considered very Limburgsch.

SAJ14SAJ

This is what you are talking about?

Vlaai

Vlaai, better known as Limburgse vlaai, is a pie or tart consisting of a pastry and filling. Vlaai is usually 27—30 centimeters in diameter. Originally vlaai was created in Weert, Limburg and is therefore also known as Weertervlaai. It is a typical product from the southern regions of the Netherlands, but variations are available all through the country and in parts of Belgium and Germany near to the border of the Netherlands. It is available in many different varieties of fruit fillings (cherry, apricot, strawberries, plums, etc.), a crumbled butter and sugar mix ("greumellevlaai") and ...

Cerberus

Yes.

SAJ14SAJ

It sounds pretty generic.

Cerberus

The dough is terrible, almost like airless bread.

No, the dough is special.

My mouth is making revulsive movements as I think of it.

Lip-wrenching and tongue-curling.

SAJ14SAJ

17:19

One of the photo captions mentions making it with lentil flour, but the main article says nothing. But we all know Wiki is perfect, complete, and absolutely accurate.

Cerberus

Lentil flour is weird.

Mien

@Cerberus Well, they are Limburgs, or at least, the name is.

The kind that is shown on the wiki page, we'd call "confituretaart"

Cerberus

250 gram bloem
15 gram gist (of 5 g korrelgist)
20 gram varkensvet (of boter)
ca. 1 deciliter melk
1 eetlepel suiker

SAJ14SAJ

@Cerberus As a concept, or in this context?

Cerberus

@Mien Hmm so what do you call a vlaai? And are they also typical for Belgian Limburg?

@SAJ14SAJ The latter.

SAJ14SAJ

17:21

MILK! SUGAR! BUTTER! I am learning to cook in Dutch. The whole metric thing is a killer though :-)

Cerberus

Yay!

SAJ14SAJ

Gist? Flour? like "grist" as in the product of a mill?

I am at a loss for "bloem" though.

Cerberus

Gist = yeast.

Bloem = flour/flower.

SAJ14SAJ

That must be the flour then.

What is an eetlepel? A teaspoon?

Cerberus

Tablespoon.

Theelepel = teaspoon.

SAJ14SAJ

17:22

Eating spoon?

Cerberus

Yes!

SAJ14SAJ

Well, English and Dutch are both germanics. I would not guess so well for Mandarin or Hungarian.

Cerberus

Indeed not.

So anyway, you see how it is mostly flouer, the dough. It's terrible.

SAJ14SAJ

When last I was current on this stuff, no one knew where Hungarian came from. It was even thought to be not be Indo-European and yet there it is.

Isn't most dough mostly flour?

Cerberus

Well, it is not IE.

@SAJ14SAJ Not like this!

SAJ14SAJ

17:24

But a yeast-raised pie dough, that is fairly unusual.

Is it normally let to proof?

Is it kneaded?

Cerberus

I have no idea. I hate it.

SAJ14SAJ

Sounds almost cracker like.

I am feeling like I am almost going to get hungry. Its time for my pizza adventure to begin.

Cerberus

Maybe I should buy an expensive, fresh vlaai sometime. But what was praised as "a real Limburg vlaai, bought it this morning in Weert itself" tasted really bad, that is, the dough is like old moist bread.

@SAJ14SAJ No, it's fairly soft!

Bread is 1000x better than vlaaideeg.

SAJ14SAJ

I used to think "barbecue" was nasty and horrible. Based on dorm food. Then I had the real thing.

Cerberus

Because it is out in the open on one side, and touching the moist fruit on the inside!

SAJ14SAJ

17:27

The hydration of that dough recipe you posted looks about 40%. That is really, really low.

Cerberus

But the fruit is moist!

SAJ14SAJ

I imagine it is. I am going downstairs to play with dough and peperoni. And no doubt trip over "helpful" cats.

Cerberus

Imagine a sandwich with tomatoes that you leave sitting on a plate in the kitchen for a couple of hours.

SAJ14SAJ

@Cerberus Ick. I don't like raw tomatoes.

Cerberus

Okay, a sandwich with jam, then.

Have fun with your cats.

SAJ14SAJ

17:29

I survived the US school system. I am a veteran of many PB&J sandwiches made the night before, or the morning when I took them to school!

Mien

@Cerberus We don't use that term, except for cow shit.

Cerberus

@SAJ14SAJ And you would consider those an exquisite kind of pie?

@Mien Ahh OK.

Mien

@SAJ14SAJ do you know salt sticks and pretzels?

SAJ14SAJ

@Cerberus PB&J is peanut butter and jelly sandwich. It isn't a pie.

@Mien I know pretzels, soft and hard. Don't know salt sticks.

Cerberus

There you go.

Neither should a vlaai be a pie.

And yet it is.

ominous music

Mien

17:35

@SAJ14SAJ these guys

I guess the dough is a bit like those, if you let them out so they soften (and without the salt of course).

What do you say @Cerberus?

Kinda dry and a bit chewy

Cerberus

@Mien Yes!

If you dip those in water, shake off some of the water, then leave them on a plate for a few days.

Or something.

But a crust should be full of butter and sugar!

Mien

lol :P

And flavour

SAJ14SAJ

17:51

@Mien We would call those "pretzel sticks" or just pretzels.

The pizza is in the oven.

Eta 18 minutes, but this is my first time with this dough so we will see.

The dough smelled pretty good.

Mien

18 minutes is rather long, no?

SAJ14SAJ

pepperoni (boar's head, stick, not presliced), roasted red peppers, onions. Locateli Romano.

Mien

How hot is it? :)

sounds good

SAJ14SAJ

@Mien Its a home oven, it doesn't go to 1000 C :-) Its about 450 F with convection. 230 c

Mien

I'd eat it!

I was very close to making your chocolate pudding recipe btw today :P

SAJ14SAJ

17:53

@Mien Oh boy :-)

But no cigar, its already late, there, no?

Mien

Yeah, then I didn't because I forgot how many the recipe yields.

Now it is 8 PM

I was thinking of making them at 10 AM ;)

SAJ14SAJ

It yields as many as you want.

Do you take little bitty spoonfuls, or dive into a tub o' pudding?

Mien

I hardly eat pudding :P

SAJ14SAJ

@Mien Then why make it?

Mien

I eat little bits, bf eats spoonfuls :P

I do like it

But the prepackaged here are not very good

SAJ14SAJ

17:55

Ah, the truth comes out. You are bribing the bf!!!

Prepacked is terrible, I don't use them ever.

Mien

I never made real chocolate pudding, only instant kind

But that has been years

SAJ14SAJ

It will be a transcendent experience when you get there.

Mien

:D

SAJ14SAJ

I strongly urge you to lick the bowl while it is still hot.

Don't share that with bf, somethings the SO was not meant to know.

Mien

I think I was already planning on doing that ;)

I am also thinking of baking cookies for my colleagues on Wednesday.

CCC I guess

SAJ14SAJ

17:57

here is the original recipe I modified from.

INGREDIENTS
6ounces bittersweet chocolate
2tablespoons Dutch-processed cocoa powder
2tablespoons cornstarch
2/3cup granulated sugar
1/8teaspoon table salt
1cup light cream
3 large egg yolks
2cups whole milk
1tablespoon unsalted butter, softened
2teaspoons vanilla extract
INSTRUCTIONS
1. To melt the chocolate, chop and place it in a heatproof bowl set over a pan of almost simmering water, stirring once or twice until smooth. You can also melt the chocolate in a microwave at 50 percent power for 3 1/2 minutes, stopping to stir after 2 minutes. If the chocolate is not yet completely melted, he…

Mien

But I want to try a different recipe

SAJ14SAJ

That way you can be sure to have a working version, since my own copies are so wonky.

Mien

@SAJ14SAJ you already gave that to me :)

SAJ14SAJ

@Mien Chocolate chip cookies?

Mien

@SAJ14SAJ Yep, who doesn't like these?

I know one person that does not like chocolate, but it's a ginger :P

SAJ14SAJ

17:59

well.com/user/vard/cookierecipe.html

I use the original recipe, but don't use Nestle chocolate which is not very good. And I leave out the nuts, and make them much smaller, and so bake them at only 180 C. But that is just me.

Mien

I never tried that recipe actually :P perhaps I should

since that is about the go-to recipe

SAJ14SAJ

Its the One True CCC recipe.

I can just now start to smell the 'za.

Mien

I'll try it Tuesday night, if they are good, I'll give them to my colleagues. If I failed, nobody knows :P

Pan cookies? never heard of that

but it is very American I guess :P

SAJ14SAJ

The more common term is "bar cookies".

I sometimes do that when I am too lazy to make individual cookies, but it is a different experience.

Going downstairs to see my baby.

Mien

Does that cut easily?

SAJ14SAJ

18:15

@Mien sure little trick is remove from pan whole, but after

pizza good, sometwhat over browned

dough needed more salt

Mien

18:27

Enjoy

it is still pizza :)

SAJ14SAJ

Yeah, well... next one will be better!

Mien

:D

Mien

19:01

@SAJ14SAJ have you tried melting the butter for the toll house cookies?

SAJ14SAJ

19:11

@Mien No, I make them with the standard creaming method. Melting it would give you a chewier cookie.

Mien

The link you gave me, contained a link for tips etc.

My regular CCC recipe makes use of melted (browned actually) butter

SAJ14SAJ

@Mien You dont have to use this recipe, no reason not to use the one you know and like.

I just googled for the original recipe, so I didn't have to go find my cookbook. I didn't check the references behind it.... so don't read any endorsement from me into that link :-)

Mien

19:38

I want different cookies :P

I'd like some more crunch and less chewiness.

SAJ14SAJ

@Mien The more traditional recipe will do that, especially if you bake them until they are fully crispy.

You will lose the richness of the browned butter. I like to add a touch of almond extract to add a certain depth of flavor.

Mien

19:51

I only have almond flakes here

I dont think they will give a lot of extra flavour

SAJ14SAJ

I don't know what almond flakes are.... is that what we would call slivered almonds?

Cerberus

Almonds sliced in paper-thin slices?

@Mien We call those...I think geschaafde amandelen?

I don't think we say amandelvlokken.

SAJ14SAJ

20:20

@Cerberus Hi doggy.

Theta30

20:49

question of the day: sunflower or canola oil?

Cerberus

Hello.

And sunflower.

That is, I have never seen canola oil.

Theta30

Ah Europe...

Cerberus

Is canola oil good or bad?

Frankly, I don't really know what it is.

Theta30

well here in Canada is it cheaper than sunflower, so that might mean it is less quality, but it also has to do with the availability

Cerberus

Hmm.

Sunflower oil is cheap her.

€ 1,29 for 1 litre.

What does it cost in your rather large country?

SAJ14SAJ

20:59

@Theta30 For most purposes, it makes little or no difference.

Theta30

@Cerberus not sure exactly, but I think double that price

Cerberus

Ah OK.

Of course you can get it for double that price here too, if you like. And probably also for less.

Theta30

21:27

@Cerberus I might have asked you before but again...

how come you are online all the time in multiple chat rooms

is your computer turned on all time?

Cerberus

Yes.

Usually.

Theta30

If you use Mozilla, there is a cool way to Group your tabs, this way you can place the chat rooms in a Group

Cerberus

I have 50 tabs open...

vimeo.com/57895709

Paris in China.

Pretty weird. It doesn't look too bad from a distance.

Just...monotonous and deadish.

SAJ14SAJ

21:45

@Cerberus ARe you seeing other chatrooms? I am not sure how I feel about that.

Cerberus

Don't worry, it means nothing.

SAJ14SAJ

@Cerberus How can you say that when you are typing in other rooms? Who are these rooms? Where did you meet them?

Cerberus

Oh, just colleagues. Working late.

SAJ14SAJ

Do you type more for them than you do here???

Cerberus

Never.

It's just, when I'm lonely and away...

Mien

21:50

@Cerberus Yes

SAJ14SAJ

Maybe I should go check out the Physics.SE chatroom.

I am sure they like science.

Cerberus

@Mien Ah OK.

@SAJ14SAJ But but...

Mien

Good night!

Cerberus

I mean, it's OK if I do it, but not if you do it.

Good night!

SAJ14SAJ

@Mien niight Mien

@Cerberus What is good for the dog? Is that what you are saying??!!

Cerberus

21:54

What is good for the dog?

SAJ14SAJ

There is an expression in english "What is good for the goose is good for the gander." It is about double standards. This was an allusion.

Cerberus

Ah, right.

I figured it must be something like that, couldn't recall the expression.

SAJ14SAJ

I tried chatting in two rooms when Mien wanted a separate one the other day. It is a little disconcerting.

Since the UI doesn't let you combine them on the same screen.

Cerberus

Yeah.

You can't switch quickly.

Now I wonder what you were chatting about...

SAJ14SAJ

Hmm....

Cerberus

21:58

Or is this some kind of ruse to get back at me?

SAJ14SAJ

It seems we are now in an open chatting relationship.

Cerberus

22:41

...

SAJ14SAJ

22:53

I went to Physics.SE chat. I had to add an account. They are very meta.

Cerberus

23:47

I am speechless.

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