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@SAJ14SAJ Yea, and people are fighting back.
Yes, facial recognition is a problem.
We could put puppets with exact replicas of the heads of random strangers on all cars, trams, buses, and bikes?
To pollute the database into oblivion.
Pollution and encryption are our main weapons.
But I wouldn't want to encrypt your pretty cat face.
She never goes outside.
None of them do; they are inside kitties.
 
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02:34
> There’s one part of Google Maps’ new look that Google forgot to tell us about: the ads. According to the company’s Adwords blog, the Android and iOS apps will shortly start showing “relevant” local ads on the screen when users interact with the app.
Here we go.
I'm sure Google has no interest at all in deciding whether to lead me to place x or y through its Maps.
> For instance, Dave and Buster’s could buy the space for all searches conducted for “bar” within a certain radius. How Google will determine relevance, or what limits it will place on the system, isn’t defined in the blog post.
> User litfan: Google's really pushing my buttons. I understand they offer a lot of free services but I would KILL for them to release paid versions that weren't so intrusive. I'm a paying google apps subscriber so at least I dont have the email spam but even thats changing with that new inbox and it's "Promotions".
> I've been actively looking for alternatives to Google services lately and have a pretty decent plan going forward on how to cut the cord. I'm actually surprised by how many people feel the same way I do now. Apple Maps and Nokia maps look like good alternatives to this now.
> User ElSnugglesWise: I'm personally looking forward to Google Glasses pushing ads directly into wearers field of vision.
02:56
> User PeterWimsey: Google may have non-monetary reasons for not wanting to offer a premium service - most notably, they may not want people to equate the absence of ads with "premium service." Or they may just want people to get used to seeing ads everywhere. But it's not like they couldn't make more money on a per user basis by charging people who want to opt out of ads.
03:16
Are you sure about the last sentence? Wouldn't fewer advertisers want to advertise with Google if they knew that there were people opting out of seeing the ads?
03:35
@DavidWallace Google gets about € 0,00075 per view for those ads, presumably.
So how much would people be willing to pay not to see them, and how many times would they see them if they didn't pay?
And consider this: the people who do not want to see ads are also the ones who are worth a lot less than the average view, because they hate ads and would never click them.
I don't know the answer to any of those questions. I get to ignore them for free.
Hehe.
Well, I think I use Maps maybe a few times a weak, but I never ever look for things like "bar" near me, or something like that.
So they would basically get zero views out of me.
Unless they put it in more useful functions, make it more annoying.
Shh, don't give them ideas.
03:53
Heh.
I'll switch to Bing Maps!
I must admit, if I had a GPS, and I was trying to work out where to drive, and it kept obscuring the map with ads, I would probably stop using it.
Heh. Well, it won't do that.
They will be in your menus.
It's moot. I am unlikely ever to drive again. I am unlikely ever to prefer a technological solution over paper maps. I guess one day they will stop making the latter. I should buy several before that occurs.
I don't think they will, and you could always print maps.
I don't drive either, but I do use navigation and electronic maps.
When walking or biking.
But now I must shower.
04:09
I usually use mine for telling my ex-wife where to go.
Maps, that is, not shower.
 
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05:33
Heh.
So you have an Android?
 
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06:35
@Cerberus What do YOU think?
I didn't think so, but then why use a physical map to tell your ex-wife where to go?
07:04
Your question seems to be a non sequitur. You have seen my phone, right?
Haven't tried running Android on it, to be honest.
07:36
Ahh now that you mention it.
Although that hand looks rather android.
 
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14:02
Happy Sunday everyone. I don't want weekend to end!
 
2 hours later…
15:40
@mien Hi!
Hi
Argh, I voted to close too quickly, then retracted my vote but now I want to close it again, but I can't vote :(
@Mien Boo! What are we closing?
The question about macarons feet
Yeah, sometimes the close voting rules are too restrictive.
cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/373/… is the duplicate imo, not the one you linked
15:46
Well, it will probably stay open because only about 5 of us ever vote :-) We lost our quorum with you being excluded :-)
Perhaps I gain my vote again tomorrow?
I disagree though, that one is how to achieve, not why does it work in terms of the food science.
But either way....
@Mien No, I think it is permantet.
@Mien flag it, that'll put it in the queue
@waxeagle You should run for mod here next time, unless Mien does. Then I would have to vote for her.
Because two sites is not enough!
I'm not active enough on the main site to be a mod here
15:48
I think he wants to know how to achieve them himself primarily
The only sites at this point I'll consider running on are RPG and Sport.se
Okay
@waxeagle Aaronut is barely active at all as an actual poster any more, and I don't even know if Yossarian really exists. Don't think that is a criterion :-)
@SAJ14SAJ It's not. But meta activity should be.
@Mien If he does, he wrote the question very poorly.
@waxeagle Yeah, well then I own the site :-) But I don't want to be a mod.
15:51
@SAJ14SAJ that's completely fair. And there is a lot of value in non mod users being active on meta, voting, flagging and being generally visible.
@waxeagle When I first became active here, all four top users on the all time rep list were mods. Hobodave got demodded, without an announcement. I suspect for being idle. Rumor has it he had a baby or something silly like that.
They probably wish would stop flagging.
There is no shortcrust tag
Is it worth making one?
@SAJ14SAJ He got demodded? :O
@Mien What is shortcrust?
Perhaps he asked it himself
@Mien Months ago.
16:00
Oh, didn't see that. Poor @hobodave :(
@SAJ14SAJ Are you serious?
@Mien Yeah, that isn't a term we use.
Do you know sanddough?
Patee sablee?
We don't call it sand dough either :-)
yes, without the extra e's
brise is also a term used
16:00
Pateee sablee? :-)
Shortcrust pastry is a type of pastry often used for the base of a tart, quiche or pie. It does not puff up during baking because it usually contains no leavening agent. It is possible to make shortcrust pastry with self-raising flour, however. Shortcrust pastry can be used to make both sweet and savory pies such as apple pie, quiche, lemon meringue or chicken pie. Many shortcrust pastries are prepared using vegetable shortening, a fat food product that is solid at room temperature, the composition of which lends to creating crumbly, shortcrust-style pastries and pastry crusts. Proport...
Brise, sure.
hi @Cerberus
Basic pastry dough.
@Cerberus Hi cerb.
depends on what your basics are
puff pastry is here the most common for pastry
16:01
That must have been written by a Britisher or something. I have never heard that term until today.
I thought I heard people discuss something short in this room before...
Very few people at home make puff paste, at least here.
I have never done, although I made croissants twice. That is quite similar.
Yeah, it sounds like a lot of work.
We dont make it at home
But if you see pastry in a store, it is usually something with puff pastry
@Mien You might, if you were obsessive, or bored, or both.
I like choux paste :-)
16:03
or ignorant
@Mien Now, now.
@Cerberus I know we talked about shortbread, as in strawberries and....
So what do you call the basic, crumbly dough used in many pies/tarts?
Pate sable or pate brise.
Or "pastry dough".
Or "sugar cookie dough".
I don't think most people call it anything at all.
Right, I would think those were the same, but French. You always with your French!
Well, what can I tell you, they are snooty but they know from some pastry.
16:04
Well.
And our cooking tradition on that is derived indirectly from theirs.
@SAJ14SAJ I meant oblivious to how much work it is :P
@SAJ14SAJ I thought American pastry dough usually is flaky
@Mien Ah :-)
The OP about the dough in fridge question made a "sable" tag.
@Mien That is pie crust. And it is. But some of us who know more about pastry can do any of the big four. Or five. Although I would buy the last two.
16:06
I deleted that, but I wanted to put a "shortcrust" tag or something.
Apparently, there is none (I tried a few terms)
Which term is the most common?
Should I ask on meta?
The truth is, I don't have much of an opinion on tags because I dont' think we have so many questions that people actually use them. But what do I know.
I would make a shortcrust synonym. And you can get a badge.
@Mien You can if you want :-)
I'll make a shortcrust tag and put the "issue" on meta
Then we can still change if a lot of people says so
Although in isolation "sable" looks like a small, mean, mink-like animal used in fur coats.
If I dont get responses, I see that as agreement
@SAJ14SAJ Exactly, that is why I deleted it
Do you use tags on other SE websites?
I never do.
16:09
@Mien You missed my newest kitty picture last night. You can scroll back.
@Cerberus only on SO itself, where the volume is large enough it matters.
And the communities are sufficiently fragmented.
EL&U is also far too large to find questions in...
For example, I work with an open source stack called "Service Stack". When I have questions, either you are familiar with it specifically or you aren't. General programming or C# knowledge won't help. But the dev's follow the tag, so it works.
No such need at SA.
But tags never think of.
@Cerberus Those people are crazy anyway :-) But I don't know that I have even looked at what tags they use or don't use or why.
I guess I'm just never looking for a question about a general topic.
I just Google/Duckduckgo when I need a specific question.
16:12
@Cerberus Yeah, well, knowing how to search puts you outside the mainstream anyway :-)
I am going to make a pizza today. I have a frozen pizza dough from my local grocery that I thawed in the fridge last night. I hope it is good.
I have roasted red peppers, onions, pepperoni, and italian sausage.
I will repost my newest kitty picture, since Mien didn't see it last night:
Thanks!
I was at a bbq last night
@Mien Was it good?
Sure :)
You forgot to say how beautiful my kitty is! :-)
Does shortbread fit for sablé?
16:18
@Jefromi My opinion would be no.
@SAJ14SAJ All I know is that I rarely find what I need if I use the site's own function. I think it ORs or something.
Okay, wiki describes sablé as a shortbread, so I wasn't sure. It's definitely a much more common word in English, but if it doesn't fit, oh well.
@SAJ14SAJ Did you take that with your phone?
@Cerberus My replacement work phone, and it is actually cropped out of a much bigger field of view, so the camera isn't nearly so bad as that picture might make you think.
What we call pâte sablée in Dutch is zanddeeg, but that's harder than your shortcrust.
@SAJ14SAJ Ah OK, I suspected as much.
16:20
@Jefromi The problem is a lot of these terms aren't well defined, and if you try to make them technical terms with a technical meaning, it doesn't match what people intuitively feel are the right things. See the Quickbread Wars :-)
@Cerberus Do we have a translation for shortcrust?
Kruimeldeeg?
That's what my dictionary says, and it sounds appropriate.
is there a difference between zand en kruimeldeeg?
@Cerberus The TV setup picture was the same Blackberry Camera. It just happened to be sitting here when I thought to give you a picture of my setup.
Kruimeldeeg is less clear in my mind, less well defined. Zanddeeg is as in zandkoekjes: very hard and compact, I think with more flour than normal pie crusts.
16:22
Sand cookies?
Crumb dough?
@SAJ14SAJ Ah, yes, that's the allure of smartphones! They just happen to be close to you when you want to do something.
@SAJ14SAJ Ding!
Your Dutch is improving.
@Cerberus Or at least guessing at cognates when I have a very small semantic context :-)
That is enough for me.
How do you pronounce "kruim" It reads like "krwoo-eem" to me.
Ui is a very difficult diphthong.
16:25
As in the french "Oui"?
One that most foreigners will never really learn.
No, very different.
What are the component vowels?
I don't know how to transcribe them.
I don't hear a dipthong at all.
I hear a slightly lower version of the vowel whose IPA symbol looks like an upside down v.
Oops, slightly higher.
Yeah, it's difficult to hear for foreigners.
16:28
There is some issue with coloration from the /r/ but that is normal.
The Flemish ui is closer to ʌ: forvo.com/word/verhuizen/#nl
indeed
you speak the i at the end more clearly than we do
I assume you mean the middle syllable of that one. Again, I don't hear a dipthong, although I think the vowel itself is similar to upside down v, with oppposite lip rounding. Hard to tell without a speaker to look at.
For sounds that are not in my native phonetic inventory, at least.
There may also be an issue of laxness that is hard to specify.
Okay, that one was substantially different.
16:30
I think the IPA contains one symbol not used for English.
It was similar to the second syllable of the English word "about" at least as spoken in midwestern US english.
@Cerberus It contains oh, a couple hundred. At least.
ui
IPA rarely has symbols for dipthongs; you write the glide with the two component vowels, at least IIRC.
is onion
nom nom nom
16:32
Yay!
@SAJ14SAJ Hence "contains".
Okay, have the general idea.
BRB phone.
@Mien Are you back on the pizza thing?
What do you mean?
@Mien Erm, the onion comment?
16:33
No
ui is Dutch for onion
@Mien Ah, perhaps Cerb got the pun then :-)
There wasn't a pun :P
@Mien Whatever it was.
It was information for you.
So you survived your second week?
16:35
Yep :)
My first full week
@Mien Have you made work-friends?
Next week, is a short one again :P the 15th is a holiday, and the friday is a "bridge day"
@SAJ14SAJ Not really, a bit I guess
What is a Bridge day?
16:48
If there is a holiday on a Thursday, some companies are also not working on Friday.
to extend the weekend
Do you know what I mean?
Ah, what good luck for you.
Yeah, I know what you mean; this is very, very rare here any more.
For example, July 4 was a holiday (our independence day, although most people just call it the Fourth of July), and was a on Thursday. I took a day of leave to have Friday off too.
I work indirictly for the government, so I get all those bridge holidays
How do you call it?
@Mien I don't know any name for that.
@SAJ14SAJ Why us that, anyway?
@Cerberus Don't know. Why is a certain event now universally referred to by the date it occurred, 9/11? I am sure there is some cultural or linguistic aspect in productive word formation, but I don't know what it is.
16:59
I think there is something like that going on.
A certain indirectness?
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