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A Red Herring

10:01 AM

monking

@Phrancis that's truly an "i smell bullshit" expression

Duga

10:50 AM

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] macressler starred us

skiwi

11:34 AM

hey

jacwah

11:46 AM

hello!

bazola

11:58 AM

hey all

face hunter is no fun to play against

Phrancis

Monking

ttgtw

Stack Exchange

12:40 PM

And a different ghost has replaced me in the bedroom.

Phrancis

12:57 PM

@StackExchange lol

Reminds me of Super Mario Kart

Marc-Andre

1:20 PM

hey everyone!

Phrancis

Hey!

</meeting>

Marc-Andre

1:39 PM

I have no motivation to work at the moment

A Red Herring

Neither do I....

One of my colleagues keeps changing the spec for a feature I'm working on and my boss asked me today "why is this taking so long"

have it done in 2 days etc

all the while juggling another project I shouldn't even be consulting on and having technical issues with VSO

skiwi

I have no motivation at the moment

And a headache

Phrancis

1:55 PM

BTW.Coffee

skiwi

2:15 PM

Don't know how I thought CS:GO was going to help that though

Phrancis

So the table name where the columns start with ci_ is HV_CLINICAL_INPUT. Makes perfect sense.

What the wat... ' - - ' is inserted in one of the fields.

Marc-Andre

@Phrancis formatting with an empty value ?

@skiwi gaming rarely help with motivation or headache... Don't know what you were thinking either. For your defence you're not motivated and you have headache I don't think you're at the peak for taking good decisions :P

skiwi

@Marc-Andre Haha

Phrancis

2:31 PM

@Marc-Andre Precisely

Lokkij

Hey people, it's been a while!

How's progress going?

Phrancis

@Lokkij Hey!

@Lokkij Progress has been going really well with the web client. We're actually at the point where we can start to go back into game design, art & stuff now

We deployed a release a few days ago, and got a server running it at play.cardshifter.com

(server is dwarftowers.com)

Lokkij

Wow, awesome! :D

Tell me if you need more gameplay design input.

Phrancis

We do, the balance is kind of all over the place now for Mythos, I think too many cards have too many complicated effects

It's really hard to keep track of what is actually happening on the board

Lokkij

Right, that's a very common problem in custom-designed cards/CCGs.

I'll look what I can do; where can I put any recommended changes?

Haha I love the medieval art :P

Phrancis

2:39 PM

Hmm hold on

Oh yeah, a lot of the pictures are not loading correctly right now (unless someone else fixed it)

Lokkij

Wow, the interface is already way nicer than it was when we were using the Java client

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Phrancis

Game Balance - September 2015

@Lokkij Yeah, it's a shame we didn't go that route sooner, turns out developing with the web client is far easier and more flexible

A Red Herring

And there's the added benefit of it not being Java

:D

Lokkij

By the way, I've been playing another CCG (kind of): Duelyst. It looks amazing, the gameplay is very fun (the grid adds a lot of depth), games aren't too long (5 to 15 minutes max). They're giving beta keys to anyone who asks nicely in the forums if you're interested. You can even play it in your browser if you want to! :D

Phrancis

Well, there's that I guess. JavaScript is easier and quicker to develop

A Red Herring

2:46 PM

@Phrancis it was a joke, :p

Lokkij

@Phrancis Alright, I'll play some and post my findings.

Phrancis

What's a CCG?

Lokkij

Collectible Card Game

skiwi

@Lokkij Looks interesting

Lokkij

Basically the same as TCG (Trading Card Game)

skiwi

2:47 PM

But then without trading but with collecting :D

@Lokkij You don't happen to have keys to giveaway?

Phrancis

@Lokkij If you wanted to, by the way, you'd be more than welcome to branch and work on the gameplay yourself

Lokkij

@skiwi Not currently (I already requested four so I'm kind of hesitant to ask for even more) but you can post here or send the guy mentioned in the post a PM to get two keys: forums.duelyst.com/t/the-key-request-mega-thread-ask-here/2868

They respond very quickly, I got mine within two hours

Phrancis

Hm. We have neither trading nor collecting.

skiwi

@Lokkij That's long :( :P

Lokkij

A collectible element can add a lot to the game, even though at first glance it greatly restricts players.

Extra credits have made three videos about the advantages and pitfalls of a collectible element:

Collectable Games I - How Can We Make Good CCGs? - Extra Credits

►

In short: it's a very good way to gradually introduce new players to all the mechanics and cards without overwhelming them, and players' decks are really their creation.

Marc-Andre

2:54 PM

@Phrancis We have MCG (Modded Card Game) or we could find something else too

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skiwi

I'm actually curious what forum software they use, or maybe in-house, seems to be not too bad

Lokkij

Yeah it's pretty good

Phrancis

@Lokkij Hmmmm we do have an issue to where the game is not simple to just pick up and play, but I don't really know how we could improve it...

I'd hate to make new players have to RTFM before they can understand how it works. I think some GUI improvements will help though.

skiwi

@Lokkij Hmm, I only had that feling when the internet was not really around yet :P

Physical YGO cards mainly as I played that game

Lokkij

@Phrancis Yep, and an interactive tutorial + starter decks can help as well

Ah, only in part three they actually talk about the advantages I was talking about: youtube.com/watch?v=yGkpoYxSep8

Phrancis

3:02 PM

Starter decks I like and think we should do, but the problem with interactive tutorials is that we would need a different one for each mod...

Lokkij

Hmm, right. That's a problem.

skiwi

So we need moddable tutorials? ^

Phrancis

Now, each mod we have in general is quite simpler than traditional TCGs/CCGs, which works in our favor at least on that aspect

So perhaps a tutorial on how to use the GUI would be sufficient, the rest could be discovered by playing the mods or RTFM or whatever

Lokkij

A good UI doesn't need a tutorial.

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Phrancis

Damn, that's so true

Lokkij

3:07 PM

I'm back for a few minutes and a third of my messages is already on the star board. :P

A Red Herring

> CodeReview.StackExchange

Lokkij

Hmm?

A Red Herring

Most of us are from CodeReview

It's almost a rite of passage to run out of stars before the day is ended

Lokkij

Hahaha, I was not aware of that

A Red Herring

in The 2nd Monitor we actually have a meme for when we want to apply a star but are out of stars for that day

it's "TS" - Theoretical star.

Then, when someone stars it for you (Or you star it yourself because you got your stars back), you say RSA.

Real star applied.

Lokkij

3:13 PM

Hah nice

I didn't even know it's possible to run out of stars :P

A Red Herring

It is a very sad moment when you do :(

Lokkij

Is it already known that the effect text for most 'choose one at random' cards is almost unreadable?

Also, I would suggest moving the timing of effects to the front ('At the start of your turn, <effect>' instead of '<effect> at the start of your turn') and indicate continuous effects in the text as well ('as long as ~ is on the battlefield, <effect>')

Oh and if anyone makes a Duelyst account, be sure to add me (Lokkij)

Phrancis

@Lokkij good thinking, could you put in an issue about the effect text improvements?

Lokkij

Sure!

Which tags should it have?

Phrancis

Um good question. Just put groovy

Lokkij

3:28 PM

Alright

Phrancis

Or groovy effect rather

Marc-Andre

we just had an evacuation practice in case we have a fire. My experience is : I will die if anything ever happen. We were stuck on our floor for 5 minutes with no chances to exit.

Duga

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Lokkij added label groovy to issue #402: Improve readability of effect text

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Lokkij added label groovy-effect to issue #402: Improve readability of effect text

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Lokkij opened issue #402: Improve readability of effect text

> There are a few areas in which the readability of the effect text can be improved:

- `Choose at random` cards currently list all their possibilities (including duplicates) in plain text which isn't readable at all if there are more than two very simple options. Perhaps the options can be put into a bullet list somehow to improve this.
- The timing of effects is currently displayed after the effect itself (`[effect] at the start of your turn`). To match TCG conventions and improve readabili

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Lokkij commented on issue #388: New Card Suggestions: Cyborg Chronicles

> @Etrisa That card seems a bit weird; why is it not just a spell? Its functionality is that of a spell, not of an enchantment.

Phrancis

Weird bug

Duga

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Lokkij commented on issue #402: Improve readability of effect text

> I also just discovered cards with multiple abilities (for example, GAIA from Mythos) need to end their sentences with periods.

bazola

4:17 PM

store.steampowered.com/app/321980

that game looks incredible

skiwi

4:56 PM

@Lokkij Got a beta key now :)

Lokkij

:D

skiwi

@Marc-Andre Uh, that's not really promising

Marc-Andre

I know...

skiwi

I even got two beta codes I just realisze

Phrancis

<lunch>

skiwi

4:59 PM

@Lokkij Was there a PC client already?

Lokkij

There's both a desktop client and an in-browser client.

skiwi

Trying to find the desktop client

@Lokkij Any clue where to find it? ^

Lokkij

updates.counterplay.co/launcher

skiwi

Is it stable enough to play?

Lokkij

Yep! After playing a while you might encounter a bug (black menu screen, disappearing card images; you'll know) but it's pretty stable.

It almost never crashes when in a game.

skiwi

5:04 PM

sounds nice

wow really clean UI there

Lokkij

The art and sound design is really good

Simon Forsberg

Hi @Lokkij! (and others)

Lokkij

Hey! :D

Simon Forsberg

5:20 PM

@Phrancis GUI improvements would definitely help with that. Never underestimate the importance of animations and stuff.

@Lokkij yup, I've also thought of that.

skiwi

I kinda dislike the art style of Duelyst though :P

Simon Forsberg

@Marc-Andre I hope you'll have another practice soon. Fire drills should be serious stuff.

Duga

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Zomis added label enhancement to issue #402: Improve readability of effect text

Marc-Andre

5:35 PM

@SimonForsberg we have a practice once or twice a year, and since I'm there not once it satisfy the objectives we have

Simon Forsberg

@Marc-Andre sounds like you have a fire drill because you have to have one, not because you are trying to prepare in case of fire.

Marc-Andre

@SimonForsberg Because we do need to have one. For a building our size it's a legal obligation (I think). We have to evacuate everyone under 10 min I think. It's just people are too relaxed and does not take the drill seriously. People going back for their cafe and non-sens like that.

Simon Forsberg

I can imagine

skiwi

Relaxed people is actually a good thing in fire alarms

As long as they don't waste time

Stack Exchange

6:11 PM

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Lokkij

6:59 PM

@skiwi Oh man really? I love it!

Duga

[Cardshifter/Cardshifter] Etrisa commented on issue #388: New Card Suggestions: Cyborg Chronicles

> When i playtested there where no spells in the game, just enchantments so i made this as an enchant but yes, it can be a spell.

Lokkij

7:19 PM

Has everyone seen this video? Adding a collectible component brings a whole host of challenges with it, but it solves a bunch of other problems, so I feel like we should at least consider it: