The Town Hall - 2014-08-13

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1:02 AM

@FEichinger Howdy

Oooh, meta post.

I'd like more main posts instead, but that's fine, too.

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1:18 AM

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Q: tagging questions from the users' perspective

If questions from the users' perspective are acceptable, how should they be tagged? I was about to ask a question from a user's perspective and there doesn't appear to be a tag for that yet. I was thinking about creating a users-point-of-view or perhaps a user-perspective, but I thought I shoul...

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That took a while to show up. How'd you get notified so quickly @FEichinger?

@Andy @MetaModerators (the RSS feed) checks once every 10 minutes. The /questions page updates instantly.

1:35 AM

And moderators are notified about meta posts, right?

@Doorknob Actually, I got the notification on my phone.

@3ventic Yep.

It's also how I saw the moderator announcement before Pops even edited the title. :P

I really need to change my search script so it doesn't use grep....

1:59 AM

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From the Nielsen-Haydens (of Making Light fame, amongst others)

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1:15 PM

Hi all. How is everyone on this fine [time of day]?

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2:35 PM

@Andy good time zone to you!

3:24 PM

@MonicaCellio, you've mentioned before that we shouldn't focus on the site stats for a while. When should we be concerned about lack of new questions?

@Andy I'm getting concerned about question flow now, because the lull has been going on for a few days. (I still wouldn't worry about other stats like views; a lot of the other stuff derives from question count.)

So, what do we need to do to encourage more questions? Have we all shot our wads and we need new users with new questions, or have some of us been holding back to avoid seeming to dominate? If the latter, go ahead and dominate if you've got questions, IMO.

I agree. I don't have any in queue right now though.

Neither do I at the moment. :-(

I could turn more "horror stories from previous work" into questions, but that would just be questions for the sake of having questions.

One option to keep in mind -- but use sparingly, IMO -- is the self-answer. If in the past you have faced a real problem (don't invent one) and solved it, go ahead and post both Q and A. Unless your post locks up all the possible answers (which I hope it doesn't), that allows room for other answers too.

4:08 PM

@Andy I just this hour encountered a situation. New question:

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Q: Should we edit out offensive content from deleted posts if some can see those posts?

On some sites, like Stack Exchange, posts that have been deleted are still visible to a certain class of users beyond moderators/administrators. (On SE, reaching a certain reputation level means you see these posts, distinctively marked.) I have noticed that on some sites, if a deleted post con...

content-curation deletion offensive-content

Good question.

Thanks. I'll be interested to see what reasoning or, especially, prior experience people can bring.

As will I. My previous experience with such content has been simply to remove it. I haven't had users that could see it after removal.

waits patiently

@MonicaCellio there, an answer

4:26 PM

Two answers! That was fast. Nice.

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Life on a hungry young beta. :-) ^^^

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8:28 PM

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Q: As a Stack Exchange moderator how should I share a close vote opinion without using my Moderator powers?

On Stack Exchange sites, there is a no way for moderators to cast a normal, non binding vote, If I have an opinion but I am not sure it represents the community response how can I best share my opinion with the community? Example: On a site where I am a Moderator Pro-Tem, my personal opinion was...

I don't see the problem with this question and am voting to reopen. It's not asking about the Stack Exchange platform (which would be off-topic), but about a moderator-behavior issue that comes up on SE and could come up elsewhere too. — Monica Cellio 3 mins ago

Please consider voting to reopen.

@MonicaCellio Oh look, now I have the opposite problem to that!

As a Stack Exchange moderator how should I share a reopen vote opinion without using my Moderator powers?

@FEichinger at a first approximation I think it's the same question. :-) (At a second approximation it's not quite, because reopenings are silent to the casual observer -- you have to look in the post history to see who did it.)

8:49 PM

Anyway, I was fairly certain I had cast a reopen vote on that before.

Do reopen votes age out the way close votes do? (If you were able to cast one just now, then probably not -- you only get one of each.)

@FEichinger wait, you're a mod -- you can look it up.

@MonicaCellio Yeah, I just found the line. Did indeed expire.

... You know what, I'll reopen it.

It had by far enough attempts to reopen it by now.

9:12 PM

@FEichinger cool, thanks.

cool, we are in the hot list moderators.stackexchange.com/q/536/36

Not the first time either. ;)

really?

Yep.

@Braiam wow, my new question is hot? Big league! :-)

(Is there a way to look at what has been hot from a site, or only what's hot now?)

9:22 PM

@MonicaCellio Nope.

Since the hot list depends on views, and views aren't timestamped.

@FEichinger umm? no, is only votes

@Braiam it can't just be votes; I've seen low-vote questions (with low-vote answers) make the hot list when ones with higher votes didn't.

There was a MSE Q on it a few weeks ago. Let me see if I can find it.

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A: How do the "arbitrary hotness points" work on the new Stack Exchange home page?

Basically what's documented here: What formula should be used to determine "hot" questions? We have a few tweaks: Succeeding questions from the same site are penalized by increasing amounts. So, the first question from SO in the list gets multiplied by 1.0, the second by 0.98, the third ...

@FEichinger ^

votes (score), amount of answers and age

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Q: Does SE record a question's hotness?

I've read about how hot questions are calculated, and it appears to be a constantly changing number, since it deals with time since recent activity. But is this hotness rating ever recorded anywhere for posterity (or data mining)? Can I, (or perhaps someone with more rights than I,) look at a cer...

feature-request support status-declined hot-questions

A few years back.

But there was a recent one as well.

9:27 PM

@Braiam thanks! So votes are a factor but not the factor; that makes sense.

> No this is not recorded, in fact, we do not store historic view counts, so we could not even re-build the lists at a particular point in the past.

That said, that was before some of the algorithm changes. I'm not sure how much changed regarding views in the calculation, but I can't recall anyone making a big fuss about those, so I figured that hadn't changed. Might be mistaken there.

And it seems I can't find the MSE Q I was looking for ... sigh

@FEichinger tracking an ever-changing hotness number would be expensive. Would knowing if a question has ever been hot be useful for anything? Just a simple boolean, I mean.

@MonicaCellio If you're already going for "just a simple boolean" you might as well suggest a repeatedly earnable badge. ;)

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@Andy good. You?

@FEichinger Cool idea. It is silver if for only a bit or gold if it stays there for over an hour....

numbers need to be tweaked, of course

9:44 PM

@FEichinger oh, cute. I know one user who'll object strongly because he sees hot questions as hurting some sites, though.

I know, it's a rather unpopular idea.

But I usually respond with "Well, why the heck are there still badges for just letting a question sit on Google results for eternity?"

@AnnonomusPenguin nice answer -- well, nice but not yet Nice, but it's young.

Annonomus Penguin

9:58 PM

@MonicaCellio thanks!

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