Just stopped in to say hello. But, as usual for me, bad timing.

hi

@JourneymanGeek Hey there! How's it going?

alright. My dog has just discovered the joys of those head massagers ._.

Awww. Pets are so much fun.

I think its a bit like non chemical doggy crack ;p

Lol! Looks like he's really into it.

lol

I have another video where he demands that I do it

but I'm talking there and lol I find the sound of my voice embarassing ;p

Too cool. They definitely have a way of letting you know what they want.

lol ya

And they're persistent.

lol

Sure has been quiet.

a little, yeah

My hubby has to get rabies shots. A ferrel cat bit him.

Terrible infection from it, too.

o0

I think my dad got the industrial grade stuff

Rabies shots?

ya. That or local doctors have never seen it

came in little vials with water to add?

Not sure how it is here. They've ordered it and are supposed to call when it comes in.

It's a series of either 5 or 7 shots.

@JourneymanGeek best head scratching ever!

@Cindy Rabies is VERY rare in humans. That's why vets (as in veterinarians), are sometimes the missing link to that "DO IT NOW" attitude. Rabies does kill humans. I've played a part in EXACTLY the scenario you describe.

Rabies doesn't even exist in Alaska unless the animal came from the lower 48 before it was quarantined for a recent exposure elsewhere.

(or elsewhere in the world)

hmm I googled a little cause I was curious about where it is and isn't and it actually looks like there is some in Alaska - adfg.alaska.gov/static/home/news/pdfs/rabies_faq.pdf (foxes along north/west coasts). But there are some countries that apparently don't have it.

It is so unheard of in Alaska that "it doesn't happen here" is a real thing among vets.

wikipedia has a map:

Yeah, when my mom wanted to take her cat to the UK, she had to leave it in "quarantine" in the US for six months. They chipped him and he stayed with me and they logged his rabies status before and after.

That one took an Iowan.

Bats like the ones I fought like a young Ayra had plenty.

interestingly that map has Hawaii in green even though it's ostensibly by country

@Catija, yep

@Jefromi Yep, HI is the same as AK as far as vets are concerned.

All of the lower 48 is suspect

well the map doesn't have Alaska in green

That's meaningless

AK and HI are green as far as vets are concerned.

It is known

well, maybe it's not deliberate, sure, but there is rabies in alaska per that Fish & Game doc

Yes, of this I have no doubt

so vets in alaska are typically misinformed? fun

Just about this one small thing :)

@Jefromi Don't lump all vet-types into the category of "ignorant" :)

I definitely meant about rabies, that was the context here.

of course\

@Jolenealaska Hey Jojo. Yeah, fortunately the doctor he went to is on top of it. Animal control here sucks. The bite happened last Wednesday. During the night Wednesday night he woke up with his hand severely swollen and throbbing. So first thing Thursday morning he went in. He had to fill out paperwork that was faxed to the state as any animal bites have to be reported. He was told that animal control should be calling him within the next 4 hours. Didn't happen. (Cont.)

Friday he had to go back to the doctor. Animal control didn't call him but they left a note on our door saying that an animal owned by us had bitten someone and needed to be quarantined immediately. And we need to provide a rabies certificate. He called and got voice mail. He detailed everything and left his phone number again. This was on Friday. Haven't heard a word yet.

Whether you are in the lower 48 or not, every bite in the US from a dog or cat should be treated as a potential rabies carrier if the animal's history is not known.

wow it's like they made a process 40 years ago and everyone who actually knows how it works has forgotten

weird, isn't it?

@Cindy Kill the animal and test it if that's what it takes.

Iowa State used to do that testing.\

Or at least it did in 2000.

(or was it 1999?)

@Jolenealaska Problem is, there are several ferrel cats in the area that look a lot alike. So, even though animal control was supposed to catch it and quarantine it, we can't be 100% sure if it would be the right one. So we decided better safe (for him) than sorry. As for rabies spreading in the area, not sure what we can do. We've asked animal control to place traps and get them out of here, but to no avail. And if we catch them and take them in they charge $40 per animal. Can't afford that.

Then hubby needs the shots ASAP

Yes, definitely. The doctor's office ordered yesterday and will let him know when it gets there. I expect it got there today as they called for him.

Rabies is 100% fatal (i think with 1 historical outlier) if neuro signs have begun. HA! I saw that one on Criminal Minds. Remember my thing for Shamar Moore? He was the only reason I watched that damn show. I never watch TV, just videos I stream or own on Amazon.

My cable box doesn't even work. (Cable comes with my apartment)

That's what I've always been told. If you start to see symptoms, it's too late to treat it.

yeppers

Or at least that was the way in 1999 or 2000, when I worked at the Pet ER in Iowa.

Still the same, at least as far as I understand.

That's not the only diagnosis I've seen that way. I have seen a few episodes of "House". That one was bizarre. The veterinarian was looking at lung fims that were soooo odd. I piped up, "is he neutered?"

Again, that led to a very sad diagnosis.

Well, anyway. TTYL. Thanks for being with me while my ankle scares the crap out of me. It's hurting again. That scares me right back to my wheelchair.

@Jolenealaska rest well!

tyty

Best always! Thanks for your input. Very valued. At least I feel like we made the right decisions.

Unfortunately, If I were a dog, I'd amputate my leg. Well, actually, that's what I'd have suggested to Dr Seeba.

Or Dr Dawson.

luckily, you are not a dog!

I saved both their assess more than once.

and that leg might serve you well for a long time still

God help me, that's what I am hoping.

or god, as the case may be

(Stoney would get that one)

Heat is very weird in MS and in weird-ass autism stuff. I get a fever, and all hell breaks loose.

I am convinced that's what led to a rabbit hole that had me in handcuffs.

wow, that one sounds serious.

I don't remember much, but my shrink and regular dr know all. They'd have it figured out if they thought like really awesome veterinarians.

Unfortunately, vets treat certain kinds of steroids like water. Even veterinarians use them like water.

Hi!

Hi Cerby! Imagine meeting you here.

Have you escaped from your rabbit hole?

Dogs do the darndest things.

I only looked down it. I was never engulfed by it.

yes, they are freer with prescriptions than human doctors. Back in the 90s, my grandfather would give his young chicks antibiotics at regular intervals, just so they would thrive a bit better.

Were you given too many steroids?

@rumtscho Chicken farmers still do that, unfortunately!

@Jolenealaska That's good.

My grandfather did this to chickens he raised for himself and his family

he was just seriously convinced that it is good practice.

And in case you didn't know, he is a veterinarian.

9 grams. That was obviously (or will be obvious after the MRI) enough to give me a crazy life. Not that it wasn't always crazy.

@rumtscho 'sounds like a veterinarian. Both the human and veterinarian side are quirkey in their own way.

@Cerberus I may have had as much as 15, but I doubt it. My first MS doctor will know.

Whatever he gave plus the 3 grams I got when I went blind in one eye.

I have the physical films from that one.

And digital films from the one before that.

you only got steroids for attacks, right? Not intermittent long term use.

I tried to get a copy of my MRI from my most recent (Aug 2017?) but the disk is hosed.

@rumtscho Yep

@Jolenealaska That sounds like a lot!

But I thought you had quit steroids long ago?

Or am I confusing things.

9 grams is plenty to cause what I think is wrong. It's just rare. As my regular doc knows, I am always rare.

@Cerberus I never "quit", nor did I ever use them without a prescription for them.

That's kind of key to the whole thing. Talk to rumi about it. She understands.

@Jolenealaska I know you didn't use them without prescription.

I know you said a while ago steroids had affected you very badly in the past.

Well, I could have. I was tempted, but I didn't.

Sounds like a difficult situation.

Yikes.

By poo poo, you mean they considered it an exaggeration?

Could we try to avoid the send-then-delete thing?

Hi.

@Jefromi yep

it's better than totally public personal stuff though :)

@Cerberus I mean they went into "the patient (with a documented history of alcohol abuse during the Chickaloon years and minor brushes before that) never knows and is probably lying anyway" mode.

Hah.

Some doctors can be like that...

all doctors in human medicine are like that

But you feel you can use them effectively now?

Oh yeah

both of them

@Jolenealaska now that's the wrong attitude in any kind of doctor.

and a certain "Bones" I know

Both steroids or both doctors?

(I actually meant steroids, ninjad myself a bit there.)

I've only ever taken 1 kind of steroid

Incidentally, I have just 'saved' a meh putanesca and turned it into a nice tomato pasta.

OK.

By George, maybe he's got it. Or not, I'm not going there :)

if not, maybe jef can find it

who's got what?

cerby should get how he hurt my feelings long ago with SAJ

he's forgiven, but it's relevant.

I felt ganged up upon about TMI

Since I is kind of my point here.

@Jolenealaska Cerberus might not really remember what you're talking about, not sure how much the context-free explanation is going to help him.

@Jefromi You have the context

even if cerby doesn't

Cerby can be dense as shit when he's on a roll :)

@Jolenealaska This might have come out meaner than you intended

I don't think I know details, just that you brought up something personal and weren't happy with how he responded.

No meaner than he was!

@Jolenealaska I don't remember anything about this.

I'm sorry I hurt your feelings.

I know

If you want to talk about it, you'll have to be specific.

maybe he has hurt you in the past, but this shouldn't stop you from taking the high road now

I know that too

This is the high road!

It will all be clear once any mod here finds me talking to Saj and cerb about my hips

I used the word "killed" I think

or possibly "destroyed"

it was saj who started the TMI thing, cerby just parrotted

there might not be much that needs to be said - Jolene wants folks to listen and have care when she opens up, Cerberus doesn't remember but apologized and knows roughly what Jolene wants going forward?

I've got to go though, unfortunately

@Jolenealaska Are you saying that they asked you to be more choosy about what you shared in chat?

that's enough

no, they told me I shouldn't share personal stuff in general

this was long ago, when I thought everyone (my docs in particular) knew what I knew.

I am searching. The first time you talked about the hips and both Saj and Cerberus were there, I don't see any of them telling you to not share.

btw, this search uncovers out of context gems like

they both did. I was hurt to the quick. It's only relevant now to the overarching story

hehe

Sometimes that's useful advice. I've had people remind me that sharing too much personal information in a public place can be detrimental. It's particularly valuable to tailor your sharing to the people you're interacting with.

Tall and I pretty much had a standing date from midnight to eight my time

We know each other very well

And I'm glad of that friendship. I can tell that he means a lot to you.

He does