The Frying Pan

She gets such a bum rap.

ah, that film. Quite the drama, but may have skewed everybody's idea of psychiatric illness and clinics to very unhelpful ways.

12:20 AM

I barely remember it :) Dr Seeba loved the reference though :)\

I called myself that once when talking to Dr Seeba and cracked him the hell up.

I was the vet version of a head nurse.

Morning

and how is your own nurse Ratched caught in the middle?

Catija

@JourneymanGeek Morning! :D

is she working for one of your doctors specifically, or is she a separate "service"?

hi @JourneymanGeek

@rumtscho she cares for all patients affected by the firing by my regular doc

or all that are on my current drug, that is

The good drug I've been on for years

Hi JG, whazzup?

12:30 AM

not much ;p

just dealing with a slightly annoying, but mostly harmless flu I picked up ;p

seeing which definition of "interesting" you have been dealing with lately, I'm glad to hear the "not much" part!

hah!

@rumtscho my mom went full paranoid and was like "You shouldn't be talking about it! There might be spies!"

One Flew Over the Cuckoos's Nest analysis

I was all ._.

This gives me insight I didn't even have as to why my boss was so cracked up :)

12:33 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if your Bollywood situation included spies on top of the gangsters and other farce figures. But at least the SE network is out of your strange bubble of alternative mores.

He just kept shaking his head, snickering, "Nurse Ratched ... Nurse Ratched" :)

This was just before the weird-ass blindness

@rumtscho lol. This is not normal ;p

My culture is like victorian WASP timewarp ;)

Not... well whatever just happened

With good food!

@Jolenealaska well, there's that

I suspect Victorian times had their own tricksters and small time gangsters.

12:36 AM

We might be trying to make bagels off a recipie in boingboing

@rumtscho idealised victorian.

@rumtscho did you know that Singapore has two Michelin starred hawker stalls?

all straighlaced and upright. Not the... fun part of victoriana

At least they seem pretty commonplace in novels. Of course, novels tend to include the more interesting characters and leave out the everyday ones.

@Jolenealaska while I can't eat there, I know where one is.

@Jolenealaska I know next to nothing about Singapore.

12:37 AM

Shame you can't eat there. Someday I want to go myself.

@rumtscho It's high on my list of places I want to go.

Another two are Bankok and Tokyo. And back to Seoul.

@Jolenealaska if you're here Bangkok is very close by

what is special about Singapore, beside the michelin star streetfood?

and Amsterdam

and you could if you were so inclined do all of those at once. ;p

if you come to Amsterdam, give me a shout! I could come there too to see you.

12:38 AM

A lot is special about Singapore!

Or you can come here for a visit. It is pretty close after you have travelled all that distance from the USA.

@rumtscho I plan to visit the place of my birth. But before that, I hope you see Chickaloon.

I want to see Chickaloon too. Doesn't matter if before or after you see your place of birth.

Oh yeah. red-hot-daisy.blogspot.sg/2014/10/… the one on top <3 Industrial strength throat drops

Anchorage is OK, but Chickaloon is great.

12:41 AM

You know I love outdoor vacations.

I can't stand fisherman's friend. My throat is sore because I've been smoking the medicine that keeps me from getting too manic. It's way too expensive to drink :( Unfortunately, that triggered my need for Chantix. Smoking is just bad period, no matter what you're smoking.

@Jolenealaska the one on top is chilli/clove/cinnamon flavoured gummies

tobacco is too expensive to drink?

they basically set your throat on fire, then calm it down by being gummylike, all at once

There's milder, more weak flavoured versions, but why show mercy to your sour throat?

No, pot is. A few grams a month is all I need if I smoke it. It takes 3-5 X as much if you eat it.

That's just the nature of CBD/THC

12:46 AM

I didn't know it was connected to Chantix. Also, it tends to trigger people to become more manic, not less.

And there is a dearth of data. No one with lab-fu has studied it enough.

maybe the doctors can give you a prescription for something else instead, which doesn't have the side effects of smoking, and can tide you over in this stressful time?

Smoking pot triggered a long dormant tobacco addiction

Not my docs

I'm on my own there

They know, but they work for the feds.

The approval is only tacit.

I don't think the feds would mind you getting some medical help if you need it.

like, "Whatever you're doing, don't stop", from my regular doc back in August.

I had told her what I was doing.

12:49 AM

maybe not something as controversial as pot, but at least something to help with your agitation. It is not easy waiting for your MRI and then for a diagnosis!

She can't get into it more than that as long as she gets a federal paycheck.

But I'm going to try to talk her into a semi-retirement in Chickaloon.

will you have enough access to medical care there?

I'll offer the same to my shrink, but I think she likes her career as it stands for now. And she's younger.

@rumtscho 30 miles and a $1500 ambulance ride to Palmer Hosptal

Or just a drive if I'm not alone without a car.

money aside, the time for that ambulance to come to you and bring you back to the hospital can mean the difference between swift treatment for emergency and good recovery, and some part of your body being left without blood supply for too long

do you really think I haven't considered the ramifications?

12:55 AM

I don't know. I have not considered them before, this is the first time they are passing through my head.

The Simpsons:Many D'ohs of Homer

Everything is easier when you're not living on $1000/month. In Chickaloon, it was way less even than that. There was nothing wrong with me, remember?

So no Social Security

No housing assistance

just me trying to enjoy my life as I endured more and more pain

expecting to die

sooner rather than later\

And not terribly far from helping it come even sooner

It was razor's edge, as a matter of fact

If only I had looked at it from a veterinary standpoint

I'd have seen it.

But I didn't

So I didn't.

Until very recently I blamed the doctor that didn't take an x-ray for that.

Now, I don't. I blame myself. And if I have what I think I have in my ankle, I can blame myself for living in Chickaloon playing "Master of the House" for tourists and SE peeps.

For the rest of my life.

With my husband and Tall and family.

My regular doctor saved my life with the words, "Has anyone taken an X-ray"?

@Jolenealaska that's a terrible burden of guilt to take on oneself

It was. It isn't anymore.

@Jolenealaska that's kinda what regular doctors are for

but really, I don't see you as responsible for it.

1:09 AM

This is all going to work out OK.

My GP diagnosed something in 5 minutes multiple military doctors didn't over 6 months.

I'm probably walking normally cause of that

My regular doctor met me after I crawled back to Anchorage after 6 years in Chickaloon.

and you don't have perfect information ahead, and sometimes you don't really see how pieces fit together

it is your doctors' job to diagnose you. And if they do a lousy job out of it, it is still not your fault.

@rumtscho A doctor dropped the ball, probably because pulse treatments of steroids are like water.

That doctor is in the loop (I think)

She advised my doctor who was my doctor in 2004.

And concluded (between the lines) that my hips were in my head.

1:14 AM

doctors prefer to give treatment with side effects over not treating. That's what they studied for all these years, that's how they see themselves. That's what patients expect of them. Not "send patient home without options", but "do something" even when the something has risks. This is why they want to believe steroids are like water.

a doctor who concludes that something is in your head is just not a good doctor.

Patients very frequently arrive at the wrong explanation for what is wrong. But if they tell the doctor that something's wrong, she'd better listen.

this applies to every nonexpert actually. To Journeyman's desktop users whose computer eats excel files for dinner. To our users who try to treat tough chicken tighs by pulling them out of the oven early. And so on.

;p

@rumtscho Even I don't know what I'm doing half the time. I just do it very well.

Well, that was why I was mad. I was not to see the letter. I don't even remember how I got it, but it bugged my current doctor (the one I like so much) that I had it. I know that she (my regular doc) never came to the same conclusion independently.

The infamous letter was full of gems that someone who didn't know me might reach. That she wrote such a thing without even taking an x-ray burned my ass when I saw it.

But I only saw her once.

jumping to conclusions is never good.

Keep in mind that she wasn't to reach the final conclusion. That was another federal doc, one who isn't here anymore.

I've found a doctor who can get paid by the feds and can discuss medical marijuana, so I'll check him out after the MRI.

It's gorgeous out there. It's dusk, there's snow in the trees, the mountains are hidden behind clouds, but that's pretty in its own way too.

I need to check my laundry

brb

BTW even the Mayo clinic supports medical marijuana, particularly in MS patients.

mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/multiple-sclerosis/…

there's more, that was just the first Google hit from "mayo MS marijuana"

They get a lot more adamant about it than that.

Anyway

brb

1:33 AM

I know it helps with the MS, this is pretty common knowledge and many countries without blanket legalization allow it for that diagnosis

I meant that maybe your current doctors can give you a short term prescription of something non-marijuana-related to help you get through the days you are dealing with MRI, rabbit holes and whatnot

I hate it when I get a twinge in a joint other than my ankle. None of my other joints are tickling my spidey sense, but still.

I usually hate the idea of needing such things, but really, waiting for days for bad news without being able to do anything is just a stupid situation to be in.

if a pill can make you more zen about it, that's a good thing.

I'm back in my wheelchair BTW. The ankle just feels fragile. Not painful, just weird, like my hips before I started breaking off pieces of them.

@rumtscho I take as few pills as possible, and that's still too many.

nobody likes taking pills, but in the end they have their usefulness

And I sooooo do not believe in placebos that all of the studies in the universe will convince me otherwise. I'd sooner consult a witch doctor than a homeopath (although my husband may disagree on that point).

1:41 AM

you don't have to believe in placebos for them to work

like that

but you don't have to take a placebo either. A mild anxiolytic can be the right thing if you are feeling on edge, with the current good causes for stress

I picture my mother sticking her fingers in her ears as I tried to tell her that the silver nitrate (used to cauterize broken doggy toenails) stains on my arms were not from meth scratching

hah

haha, I see why you described your mother as weird

1:44 AM

@Jolenealaska I've had stetchmarks on my arms as long as I can remember. I've had to convince people I wasn't cutting. People sometimes... decide on something.

To the best of my knowledge, I've never seen meth. My mom, however, got arrested for shoplifting lots of Pseudofed for the boyfriend before her last.

is her mistake about your habits something you can now understand better, through the rabbit hole, or is it not covered by it?

@JourneymanGeek That the scars I have on my forearm from breaking through a window are exactly the same thing. The doctor who didn't take an x-ray concluded that I had been cutting. FFS. Never

She met me for about an hour. A lot of people conclude I'm psycho (technical term) at first.

anyway, brb again

My regular doc knows me very well. Even much more so than she did a week ago.

My cat tells me that everyone thinks she is weird too. 23 toes (normal cats have 18) and a color usually only seen in males.

._.

ginger cats are usually male?

yep

about 80% of the time

And Calicos are almost always female

1:56 AM

(also I'm half certain male cats are friendlier. But most of the cats here are female, and occationally just demand petting)

My girl is a total love bug.

right now she's begging for food

lol

but she's always looking for love

I've never met a unfriendly ginger ;p

yep, gingers are known for that

1:59 AM

We used to have this enormous for a singapore street cat ginger with one scarred eye that would just go flop in front of random people for belly rubs.

His sucessor (there's always one) has been seen on random people's laps ;p

Apparently, 23 toed ginger females need extra empathy :)

lol

polydacyl cats are also known for friendliness no?

And grooming

her former person used to have her shaved 3 times/year

0_0

for easy maintainance?

@JourneymanGeek Yep, it's even a breed for that reason

Probably neatness more than anything. I just have a high tolerance for cat hair, even if I am slightly allergic. And she gets mats on her belly that she resents having brushed out. We won the lottery when we found each other. I can lay her on her back and brush out her mats without her stopping very relaxed purring. :)

2:07 AM

ya, we cut down ash's fur every so often for the same reason

he isn't double coated, thankfully so it just grows back

AHA!

I forgot your dog's name :) Now I remember :)

If I get another dog, I should call him Journeyman... ;p

I am going now, I'm using my walker (the wheelchair is just too much of a pain in the ass) so wish me NO BROKEN BONES.

I will be back in 15 minutes or less

The Simpsons:Many D'ohs of Homer

2:22 AM

back

Gads I wish I could gift George with about 15 IQ points. Ya know, like a bounty.

Has everyone (that plans to watch it) seen the cold open of season 7, GoT?

SPOILER ALERT

My hero kills her nemesis's family while pretending to be the nemesis (that makes sense only if you've seen the first few seasons)

Just before she pulls off the mask, George (who has by this point seen the entire series with me three times), says, "Wait a minute, I thought he was dead!"

I tried to explain something so simple just now on the phone, and he just doesn't get the simplest request. He's just completely blank.

He's so nice, though. It's good for me to have him as a friend.

He's getting poopy 'cause he doesn't realize that all of his friends care about him. Even "Dan".

He just wants everybody to feel as sorry for him as he feels for himself.

He doesn't understand that I do.

I just don't say "poor pathetic George" as often as he'd like.

And of course, "imminent breakage" is not something I could explain to him even if I could.

So he thinks I am feeling sorry for myself and making unreasonable requests of him. When, in fact, I'm doing neither.

5:57 PM

@Jefromi what do you think of the newest substitution question?

I have the feeling that you can put in any random vegetable instead of mushrooms

or simply leave them out

which makes it closable as too broad in my book.

I commented roughly along those lines

I think it'd be a fair question if it were narrowed down slightly

what could you imagine by narrowing down?

see comment

I think that trying to roughly match size/texture and pair reasonably well with green beans would be enough

"pairs reasonably" is not a criterion we can use

size and texture is still totally broad.

it doesn't narrow it down a ton, no, but it's still valid

6:03 PM

For me, "stewed pepper pieces" is no more or less good of an answer than "tofu pieces" or "roasted aubergine pieces". You can substitute practically every softenable vegetable, and some nonvegetable options too.

perhaps

maybe "doesn't drastically alter flavor profile" is better

I don't think the OP wants pickled beet sticks or fish cakes or pineapple

"won't dramatically surprise people who are expecting an American/Southern home cooking style casserole"

and this would include less than, say, 10 ingredients? All of them orderable by "won't surprise" such that the order is firm-ish?

I think that's applying an unnecessarily strict standard.

like... there are a lot more than 10 variations on ways to explain how to pour without spilling even if there aren't 10 underlying techniques, and they're not super clearly orderable

It's applying the standard of "not getting an unreadably long list of answers, with the one on the top being no objectively better than the others", which is the original rationale behind "too broad"

I would say if the OP has something like that in mind, try our best to clarify it, demand that answers explain why they think it'll work, and go from there?

6:11 PM

10+ variations on way to explain are OK. 10+ different techniques wouldn't be, nor 10+ vegetable choices to put in the casserole.

see I don't think they're actually dramatically different results in terms of the mess they make

that pouring question is a mess, and the question was fine

it doesn't really matter that it's variations instead of techniques/choices, the same thing happened

the pouring one hit HNQ I think, this makes for a mess usually

sure

the other one invites a mess without any special attention - it is the kind which will gather random ideas.

and for pouring, some ideas will work better than others. For vegetables, all are tasty to somebody.

I agree in principle but in practice I think the lines blur an awful lot

all ideas are tasty to somebody too

6:15 PM

the preference for techniques tends to be less random than for prerferences

this one is now a moot point because the OP went for a specific suggestion

but now he edited, and not in a good way, if he keeps the title

if we want to interpret it as "will celery work", it is not too broad, but strongly in the direction of opinion based.

I edited the title already

But if we keep it that way, we will have to change the title.

ok

I think that these discussions might go easier if we tried to imagine the best form of the question which matches what we know the OP wants, rather than the current form

6:17 PM

I didn't even know that cream of celery soup exists!

I usually imagine the kind of answers a given wording will attract, and go from there

that's good guidance for how to improve wording

but I don't think it's good for VTC

if it is years of driveby "Olives! THey are sooo tasty!" until we protect, then it is not a good question.

if the question is "which one food ingredient to choose" I don't think there is any wording which doesn't result in a big list

if we VTC then we're going to end up discussing how to improve/clarify/fix anyway, might as well do our best on that front before deciding about VTC