The Frying Pan

and maybe small amounts of baking soda plus enough food coloring will help - the f.c. to actually turn things blue, the soda to reduce the amount of red (but not enough of it to turn the whole color blue and the taste to soap)

derobert

6:14 PM

Well, I'm not going to worry too much, because blue and purple are the same color anyway :-P

rumtscho

Wait, I thought that red and green were the same color?

Or is your case more complicated?

derobert

Yeah, I think its that I perceive red weirdly, or something. Not sure, been a long time since I had a colorblindness test (like, when I was in elementary school), and I don't know the proper term for the type I have... But I know I've run across two packs of something, which other people claim are different colors... but to me, they're both the same. The other people claim one is purple.

I assume other people are just insane.

2

rumtscho

So, how did you know that your blueberries-without-food-coloring were purple?

derobert

@rumtscho Color detector app on phone :-)

Some blues and purples look different. Some reds and greens look different. Some don't. I've seen research more recently that depending on exact type of colorblindness, there may be some colors I can tell apart, that normal people can't. Must find some to drive them insane.

rumtscho

asada0.tumblr.com/post/11517603099/…

If these pairs look the same to you, you have a good chance of seeing the same way van Gogh could have seen

derobert

6:20 PM

yes, left and right look pretty similar (the online ones never look exactly right, suspect lack of color calibration)

rumtscho

OK, they do look similar to me, but I can certainly see differenecs in some colors

Mien

They look different to me.

rumtscho

not only reds, but also in the blues and yellows

Mien

And green!

derobert

Oh, by very similar, I mean, if I carefully compare, I can maybe see something that's a little different...

Mien

6:22 PM

@derobert is colorblind?

derobert

yes

Mien

I didn't know that :)

rumtscho

@derobert I hope I didn't proclaim something which you meant to keep a secrret

derobert

@Mien but still many standard deviations above the average mushroom in terms of color vision!

Mien

It sucks that you're into photography then, I guess :P

@rumtscho red-green is the most common type of daltonism; but there are others.

Blue-yellow is another for instance.

rumtscho

6:23 PM

@Mien it didn't suck for van Gogh to be into painting, and he may have been colorblind too

derobert

@Mien I don't notice it much doing photography. Now, trying to figure out color-coded wires, that's a PITA.

Mien

Well, perhaps that's why I don't like his paintings :P

rfusca

i know a working pro photog whose red-green color blind

rumtscho

@derobert Do you swap color channels to find out how much grain you have?

The worst thing about my less-good lens is that it generates insane amounts of color noise (red-green dots) at not-so-high ISOs.

derobert

Odd that the lens does that, I'd think that's a sensor thing.

rfusca

6:25 PM

probably because its max aperture isn't as large - so you have to raise ISO as a by product?

rumtscho

I use both lenses on the same sensor :) Must be some scattering or such

derobert

But yeah, I probably don't notice the red noise as much as a normal person. But I try to avoid high ISOs, with nature you don't need them so much.

Well, with animals, sometimes, but...

rumtscho

@rfusca No, they have different amounts of color noise at the same ISO - aperture - shutter combination I think

rfusca

odd

very odd

what camera, lens?

derobert

Yeah, if its single-pixel dots, that should be sensor noise.

rumtscho

6:27 PM

D90, with the 60 mm macro prime from Nikkon (the good one) and the 18-200 from Nikon (the bad one)

rfusca

maybe some dust on the rear element of the lens that's showing up oddly?

rumtscho

I doubt it, they are kept in the same closet, and periodically cleaned by the same methods. Also, I pay attention to keeping the rear elements clean.

rfusca

@rumtscho i'd love to see the same shot with both, and the difference in noise

cuz thats pretty crazy

rumtscho

Maybe I really use wider apertures with the macro one and haven't noticed it - I haven't done a comparison shot on purpose

derobert

Yeah, it'd be nice to see two shots, both on manual with same parameters

rumtscho

6:29 PM

but I know that I am in for some unpleasant noise starting at around 640 with the superzoom

derobert

I guess a lens could do it, if it ran really hot or something...

rfusca

640 on the D90 isn't high, but its certainly noisy on that sensor

rumtscho

@rfusca I don't mean that it is "throw that frame away" noisy at 640, it just starts bothering me there, and at higher ISOs with the other lens

rfusca

i was cool up to 800 on my D3200 and i'm fine up to 3200 on my new D7000

@rumtscho hmm interesting

derobert

@rumtscho Maybe its just you're shooting different subjects with the different lenses?

rumtscho

6:32 PM

@derobert I think I have noticed it also in cases I tried to shoot the same subject

I use the 60 mm not only for macro, also for portraits and as a general purpose prime

rfusca

ya, it should be pretty reasonable for portraits

btw, i'd love overall opinions on the new site - spottsphoto.com . Anything that 'doesn't work' or what you like or anything.

rumtscho

Is the two-row navigation intentional? It struck me as a bit odd as soon as I opened it

like the navigation spilled over from the first row

rfusca

@rumtscho i don't see that on mine. can you screenshot?

derobert

@rfusca hmmm, I see that two

screenshot anybody?

6:35 PM

hmm ok

note 'home' and 'my cart'

rfusca

doesn't do that on mine, but I must have a wider screen

rumtscho

No, the browser is much wider than the screen for me

derobert

@rfusca even if I full-screen that (1600px), it stays like that

rumtscho

6:36 PM

I mean, the browser is much wider than your site

I just cut a selection here.

rfusca

odd

it looks totally fine on mine :/

oooh, idea

one sec

rumtscho

It stays for me that way at 1920

derobert

@rfusca also, nitpicking, on the front page, "our customers" -> "my customers", there is only one of you, I think.

rumtscho

I am on firefox

so maybe it picks a different font size as default as compared to other browsers

yes - looks normal on Chrome

rfusca

try refresh now

rumtscho

6:38 PM

@rfusca there are sites for comparing the look of sites across browsers

derobert

@rfusca yes, fixed now.

rumtscho

yes, good here

rfusca

cool

rumtscho

what was it?

smashingmagazine.com/2011/08/07/…

rfusca

width of navbar box. the width needs to be explicit and I added the 'blog' link recently. apparently chrome doesn't enforce the width and firefox does

so i just increased the width a bit

rumtscho

6:39 PM

Maybe it was bad on Chrome too, I tested it there three seconds before you wrote to try refresh

rfusca

its been fine in chrome for me across several systems

rumtscho

But go to this link, it lists tools for testing

so you don't have to install all possible browsers

rfusca

sure, i've used stuff like that before

including earlier designs of this site

this was just a recent minor change that I didn't anticipate issues

derobert

rfusca

don't like the bold?

derobert

6:41 PM

that's very similar to the styling you used for a link on the front page, but those aren't links

rfusca

good point.

derobert

I tried to click on 'no risk'

rumtscho

On a touchscreen device, there is no on-hover function

so when a customer is in your galery, he doesn't notice that he can page

rfusca

@derobert changed

rumtscho

I only noticed it because it loaded the buttons before it loaded the whole picture

rfusca

6:42 PM

@rumtscho ooh, i don't know that I can do anything about that

rumtscho

I don't know if there is an easy solution either.

rfusca

ya :/

Mien

Can I nitpick too? In 'Pricing' -> 'Cost' you have the size of the frames, but I think it would be better if you added the " for inches

rumtscho

It looks funny on Dolphin, when I do page, the whole right third is overlayed with green (the "selected text" color in my theme)

and stays that way until the next pic is loaded

Mien

Oh btw, @rfusca the site looks nice! :)

derobert

6:44 PM

@Mien he's in the US... in AR no less. :-P

rumtscho

@rfusca not only the site looks nice, the pictures look really great

derobert

@rfusca not sure if you saw my nitpick my vs. our, but you have it the other way around on the linked page.

rfusca

@rumtscho weird, can you screenshot? I'm sending a note about the hover/paging issue.

derobert

@rfusca (the "about" page)

rfusca

@Mien ya, I think thats overkill

@rumtscho thanks!

rumtscho

6:45 PM

"Photos are taken on location at a site discussed with the client and photographer" - maybe you mean "between" the client and photographer

rfusca

@Mien thanks!

Mien

On 'portfolio", you can't see on what page you are.

rfusca

@derobert hmm l didn't, let me check itout

Mien

For now, you only have 2 pages, but I assume there will be more in the future

rfusca

@Mien in the gallery?

Mien

6:46 PM

Yes.

You can see the page in the url bar of course.

rfusca

@derobert hmm not sure what you're referring to

Mien

But on a lot of sites, the current page has a line under the page number

rfusca

@Mien hmm, i'll see if I can do that

@rumtscho fixed

derobert

@rfusca On your front page, "See what our customers say!" (weird, you're plural?). Click that, "This is where I'll let my clients speak." (yeah! split personality disorder cleared up)

rfusca

@derobert oh, gotcha

derobert

6:49 PM

Also, of course, you may want to be consistent if you call the customers, clients, etc.

rumtscho

rfusca

@derobert k, fixed

derobert

(That may just be me, at work we have both clients and customers, and they're different groups of people)

rumtscho

http

Two examples of what it looks like

derobert

rfusca

6:51 PM

@rumtscho what kind of device is that on?

rumtscho

HTC One X, Android 4.0.3, Dolphin HD browser

else the site looks nice on the phone

derobert

@rfusca "right picture does for a person - there's nothing else like it." should be an em-dash (—) not hyphen (-) .... :-D

rumtscho

resizes well when the orientation is changed

derobert

(there are some other occurrences of hyphen instead of em-dash as well)

rfusca

@derobert fixed

@rumtscho does that green box happen when the page loads or when you click or ... ?

derobert

6:55 PM

rumtscho

This is after I have clicked that part of the picture in the galery, to page to the next picture. It is visible before the next picture is loaded.

It isn't visible all the time, only after clicking.

rfusca

@mien looks like I can fix that gallery page thing, i'll do that. they gave the current page number its own css class

rumtscho

This is on the gallery in a single-picture mode. If I am on the home page and click, the whole picture gets overlayed in green, not just the right third. But it is less distracting there.

rfusca

@rumtscho k, thanks!

@derobert better?

derobert

Yes. Also, I'm not sure you want that headline "Are the pictures any good?" That's somewhat negative.

rfusca

6:59 PM

@derobert ooh, good point

derobert

also, at the bottom of that, you have "contact us today"

Mien

contact

it's a link

rumtscho

Also Check us out on Facebook for current specials!

Contact us today for further inquires!

derobert

Yes, the us is the problem, there is still only one @rfusca. I think.

rfusca

@derobert fixed

@rumtscho fixed

@derobert fixed

rumtscho

7:01 PM

@derobert The new business went to his head, so he is using the royal we now

Sobachatina

An army of separately-contractable rfusca clone photographers.

Bulk discounts for events.

rumtscho

I would still think of getting a different picture of you

derobert

@rumtscho well, he could, but then he'd have to write the rest of the site like that. Its weird for it to be a mix of I, me, and then a few 'us'

Sobachatina

And... calling the photographer a "miracle worker"? That lady must have poor self esteem.

derobert

@rfusca when you changed that headline, you lost some of the styling on it, I think.

rfusca

7:03 PM

@rumtscho ya, i think i might try - but thats hard

rumtscho

Last time I made a portrait, I heard "normally it is hard to be natural in front of a camera, but it is so easy to be relaxed in your presence, so the pictures got really good"

I must admit that it was a friend of mine, so it probably helped

Sobachatina

@rumtscho He was flirting.

Pay an hour sitting fee to socialize with the cute photographer.

Mien

:D

Sobachatina

There's got to be cheaper and more effective ways to socialize.

rumtscho

but obviously people have some fear of the camera and they feel better if the photographer seems nice and open and friendly

rfusca

7:04 PM

@derobert fixed

rumtscho

and in the picture on the "contact" page, you look more marlboro-man-tough than friendly

Sobachatina

@rumtscho Awesome!

Congrats @rfusca!

rfusca

@rumtscho indeed

Mien

@rumtscho I liked that :P

Rfusca "Clint Eastwood" Spotts.

derobert

I'm not sure what I think of the manilla(?) background.

rumtscho

7:05 PM

I don't know if some customres won't see it and think "I will look terrified if he fixes me with that stare, the photos will look bad. I'd better search for another photographer."

rfusca

@rumtscho getting people to relax is 90% of getting good portraits

@derobert i like it

derobert

@rfusca I think you swiped it from #TheFryingPan :-)

Sobachatina

@rumtscho More like "I'm afraid his raw manliness will overwhelm my delicate heart and I will swoon during the shoot and the photos will look bad. I'd better search for a more effeminate photographer."

rumtscho

@Sobachatina Or "I am an emancipated, modern woman. If he looks that way at me, I will start fuming and turn red in the face. I'd better search for a less macho photographer."

Sobachatina

@rumtscho Who wants that kind of client anyway!

rfusca

7:08 PM

@derobert lol, perhaps

rumtscho

@Sobachatina She is likely to actually have money to pay, as opposed to the swooning damsel

Sobachatina

@rumtscho Good point.

rfusca

I think the new site is loads better than the previous

Mien

@rfusca do you have a picture of you in action?

That could also be nice to put on the site.

rfusca

@Mien nope

Sobachatina

7:09 PM

But emancipated women don't like manly men? You can be not a chauvinist and still have a hairy chest.

rumtscho

@Mien I don't think this would be a very interesting picture. He shoots outside, without a bunch of lights and tripods and whatnot.

derobert

The manilla background didn't register at all, at first, but when I look at it longer, I start wondering why. Yellowing like that sort of says old, e.g., a yellowed print. But of course web sites don't yellow, so I could just be crazy.

@Mien he has one on the about page

rumtscho

@Sobachatina There is always the sort which takes any display of severity way too personal.

Although I must confess that I like shaved chests and I am not even very feminist.

Sobachatina

@rumtscho David Hasselhoff would never shave his chest.

Ever since Nightrider I'm afraid he is the defacto standard for manliness.

rfusca

@rum k, emailed their support team about those issues

derobert

7:15 PM

that's a nice picture

rfusca

thanks

thats my dad

@derobert refresh the page and you get a less annoying watermark

easier to crop, but I didn't like the centered one.

derobert

Not seeing any difference on refresh.

rumtscho

@Sobachatina I don't even know what Nightrider is.

rfusca

@derobert odd

Sobachatina

@rumtscho It's a goofy 80's tv show about David Hasselhoff in a cool talking car.

rumtscho

7:19 PM

spottsphoto.com/-/galleries/customers

rfusca

@rumtscho ya i know :/ nothing to do about that

rumtscho

@rfusca I don't remember what I clicked, but I got a list of galleries, saying "customers", "blog" and "portfolio"

derobert

Ok. I still don't like that hover-highlight effect, especially on the big pictures on the blog. Its way to easily to accidentally have your mouse over one, and then the photo looks pretty bad.

rfusca

ya, you just followed the breadcrumbs from the portfolio to galleries and then clicked customers

rumtscho

You can't hide the "customers" link from non-logined visitors? Or display a text saying "When I have made a shooting with you, you will be able to choose your pictures here"?

derobert

7:22 PM

Oddly, I don't see any pictures in "customers"

rfusca

@derobert you shouldn't

rumtscho

@derobert That's normal - because you are not a customer

rfusca

@rumtscho I can add text, let me do that.

derobert

@rfusca just display: none div.breadcrumbs, that will probably solve it (untested)

honestly, you have your entire navigation up top, you don't really need breadcrumbs\

rfusca

@derobert ya i know

derobert

7:26 PM

I'm confused by 'my cart'. I can't find anywhere to put items into the cart. Maybe I need to register?

Mien

I think it's for customers?

derobert

@rfusca on the registration page, there is only one password box (there isn't a confirm box)

rfusca

@derobert ya, its for customers . I wish it would only show up once something was in the cart

but I can't change that

rumtscho

@rfusca the Log in in the empty car doesn't look like a link

rfusca

@rumtscho Check it out now

spottsphoto.com/-/galleries

rumtscho

7:29 PM

@rfusca looks better

derobert

Hmmm, once I sign up and activate my account (link via email), client and cart still don't do anything useful. I guess because I'm not actually a client.

rumtscho

@rfusca maybe you can put a login link after the "logged in customers see their beautiful personal galeries here" part

not below the gallery in the three-galleries-screen, but after the visitor has clicked and seen the empty gallery

Sobachatina

Maybe you can sell T-Shirts so that non clients can still be customers!

rfusca

@derobert ya, i have to associate you with a gallery

derobert

Hmmm, you seem to have one of those rss feed thingies. :-P

rfusca

7:34 PM

@rumtscho done

rumtscho

rss feed too?

He has all these social sharing buttons

less than other sites, and more discreet, but shrug

derobert

@rumtscho spottsphoto.com/feed.rss

@rumtscho its in the page headers, Firefox will show it (if you have that turned on)

rumtscho

I haven't went to the trouble to turn it on

I wonder who would need it

but I guess that most people wouldn't even know that it is there

maybe his competition would use it to see what he's been up to

a normal customer won't need to see other people's pics

derobert

@rumtscho well, obviously, its for us in the frying pan to become his stalkers, the easy way! No effort, just add him to Google Reader.

Mien

@rfusca there's a mistake in this caption:

spottsphoto.com/media/…

rfusca

7:38 PM

@Mien yup

derobert

Oddly, I can order a print of that.

rfusca

@derobert ya i know :/ I gotta fix that

i just realized that

pricing is done by picture, not gallery - so I've got to disable the buy button in certain places

rumtscho

so there are more stalker-friendly features beside the RSS

rfusca

links, site wide, should be more obvious now

i'm working on taking the breadcrumbs out

rumtscho

ah yes, the good old underline. Works always.

derobert

7:43 PM

Could you please ask the people to stand out of the way? They're blocking the shot of the Martian vegetables. Almost as bad as Earth getting in your view of Venus

rfusca

@derobert hehe

derobert

although, FYI, when you do photography with artwork in the background, beware of copyright issues.

rfusca

@derobert ya i know, i talked with the owner first

rumtscho

really? If I take a picture of a building, do I have to pay copyright fees to the architect too?

Mien

Copyright sucks.

derobert

7:47 PM

@rumtscho No, building are different. Usually.

rfusca

buy button gone

rumtscho

copyright per se doesn't suck, but the current legislation does.

Mien

@rfusca are you planning on a trip to Europe? You can take my picture if you want to :p

derobert

@Mien he won't give it back.

Mien

Er, what?

That's a weird photographer.

derobert

7:49 PM

@rumtscho but, if you could get around a copyright by taking a photo of it, copyright law would have no teeth whatsoever.

Sobachatina

@rumtscho I have read about suits where architects did try to assert copyright over photographs of their work.

rumtscho

@mien "Travel fees outside the Conway - Little Rock area may apply"

Sobachatina

Car manufacturers do it all the time with their designs.

Mien

I know :(

rfusca

@Mien lol thanks....i'll come to europe if you pay travel costs :D

Mien

7:50 PM

I won't :D

I'll come to you if I win a plane.

And then to derobert

and then to rumtscho

and then we'll see who's the best photographer here.

rumtscho

@mien your kerosene costs for flying to America will be higher than your ticket on a passenger airplane

Mien

@rumtscho I meant winning a full plane.

rumtscho

or did you mean that you will sell the plane you won, then use the money to buy tickets?

derobert

@rumtscho Maybe her won plane includes a year's supply of free fuel?

Mien

I can let people pay to come along.

It's a business plane.

:D

rumtscho

7:52 PM

@Mien I'm not sure about that. Air companies are not only heavily regulated, they seem to be operating at close to no profit nowadays

rfusca

k, breadcrumbs gone

Mien

@rumtscho Well, I'm sure it's cheaper then flying the plane with only me inside.

rfusca

so, any other website suggestions?

that was a helpful critique

@rum btw, in terms of your issue on the HTC - I got this back "Thanks Chris - and we've been able to reproduce it indeed, thanks for
raising this.

Mobile is pretty high on our agenda, but that's going to be no small
project. In the meantime, let's see if we can find a workaround for this
as we did for iOS.

Cheers,
J-F"

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