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06:25
morning
 
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10:35
Hey guys I don't know if any of you might be able to help answer this:
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Q: DES Key Schedule Algorithm

DeanReading through the DES Specification it says that the keys are permuted with PC-1 initially and then shifted left both $C$ and $D$. However, before it gets permuted again through PC-2 it does not mention how $C$ and $D$ are put together before going through PC-2. Is it assumed that $C$ is the ...

 
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13:57
were is everyone???
MLM
MLM
14:14
@EwokNightmares heya
 
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16:12
@jippie How come that was funny?
Bonjour
17:13
@ThePhoton Günaydın
@abdullahkahraman Just like Flickr! "Now you know how to say "hello" in Turkish!"
Unless you actually just called me a jerk or something.
@ThePhoton Actually that is "Good morning" in Turkish :)
hrm... it seems that I still have some work to do on my antique radio that I'm restoring... the rectifier tube flashes blue at turn-on =\
Flickr finally got a better user interface..
but it receives radio stations!
17:19
@W5VO Wow, I never do anything.. I just browse the internet..
It's been ages since I've soldered something..
well, that radio was a motivator to just browse the internet - all the internal wiring used rubber wire... that was rotting
sorta like this:
no kidding
I got all the audio stuff through to the 1st IF, but I'm going to hope that I don't need to do the RF deck... that would probably mean a full disassembly
I don't know anything about RF, but have a nice repair!
@abdullahkahraman It's nothing about the RF part... it's just a lot of tight wiring
tricky to get an iron in there to fix things
17:27
@W5VO Friend of mine has an ancient pinball machine... not quite working... crazy amounts of cloth-insulated wire in there.
@W5VO What is the frequency that is in this thing? How could they get by wiring? Is the case a big chunk of ground?
@ThePhoton Oh man, I can't imagine rewiring a pinball machine and staying sane
@abdullahkahraman hrm... it's 3-bands, up to maybe 10-15MHz
and yes the deck is a huge copper ground
17:52
got my book on friday and saw this on the back
18:28
@EwokNightmares Looks like you got the right book.
@W5VO so sad :(
18:50
@ThePhoton guessing he did not get a new edition haircut for his new edition book
@EwokNightmares That haircut was looking dated when the book came out originally
19:03
Does anyone know if the Forward Transconductance on a MOSFET datasheet is the same parameter (gm) discussed in textbooks? The units don't agree.
@atomSmasher, can you say what datasheet you're looking at?
Units of transconductance might be A/V, mhos, or siemens, which all mean the same thing.
A Fairchild 2N7000
Thats what I thought too, the book gives Transconductance as A/V^2
@atomSmasher That's not right. Can you show the context in the book? Could they be talking about the change in transconductance with changing gate voltage or something?
Sure! I am looking at Microelectronics : Circuit Analysis and Design by Neaman. The gm I am referring to is used in the textbook to determine small signal gain. ie Av = -gm(ro||Rd) = Vo/Vi. gm is derived as 2*(Kn*Idq)^1/2
I constructed a common source circuit on a breadboard and the math works, but the units don't make sense!!
I am going to chalk it up to a typo!
19:40
@ThePhoton One last question, and this might be a little far fetched, do you know if its possible to obtain (know of any good sources), or derive a MOSFETs channel width, length, and oxide thicknesses based on the values given on a datasheet? I am trying to create an accurate spice model.
19:52
How come no one left this except me?
;P
20:25
@atomSmasher I don't think that's possible. For one thing, the main dependence is W/L, so I doubt you can get independent values for W and L. Also, things like parasitic resistances and lead inductances often have a bigger effect than the FET structure itself. Better to look for a vendor who provides decent SPICE models.
For example, Fairchild has a 2n7000 model available if you make an account on their website.

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