The DMZ

Terry Chia

15:00

@Adnan Can I get an upgrade on god? I think the specs you are offering might be outdated in a few years.

Adnan

"a being with these specs" I should get a way from computers for some time

asadz

evidence is bounded by human limitations? like we cannot ignore existence of extraterrestrial life to other solar systems and far flung glaxies just because we cannot travel at the speed of light, required to reach so far in space

@Adnan <3

Adnan

@TerryChia I'd like a god with some good RAM.

Jeff Ferland

@Adnan I've heard @ScottPack likes a good RAM.

asadz

does anyone in here like chuk noriss?

anyone?

Scott Pack

15:01

@Adnan Atheism tends towards the outright rejection of belief in deities. I take the stance that, by definition, deities exist outside of natural world and are therefore unprovable.

Thomas Pornin

@Adnan Augustine of Hippo would explain you that this will be fruitless.

Scott Pack

@JeffFerland Who doesn't?

asadz

anyone seen his latest picture......

Thomas Pornin

There are good theological reasons why the existence of God cannot be proven.

Scott Pack

@Adnan Truth be told, I also have no reason to believe in the supernatural. I think that takes us to the same point albeit from slightly different directions.

Thomas Pornin

15:02

And the scientific point of view agrees: "God" is not in scope, and thus cannot be proven existent or inexistent.

This would make you a "proto-agnostic"

The agnostic believes that metaphysical questions cannot be answered.

CodesInChaos

There is also the fun discussion about when to use agnostic and when to use atheist

lynks

@CodesInChaos I usually go with 'antitheist'

Thomas Pornin

The only thing an agnostic believes is that belief does not exist.

Adnan

@ScottPack And that's what makes us good at RAMing

Scott Pack

@Adnan You're making a Chasing Amy reference aren't you?

Thomas Pornin

15:04

Whereas an atheist is all about believing, and, in particular, believing in the non-existence of any deity.

Adnan

@ThomasPornin That's more or less my standing

CodesInChaos

It's obviously impossible to prove the absence of god(at least for some definitions), but I still call my self an atheist

Thomas Pornin

@Adnan So, proto-agnostic. You don't try to answer the question of the believability of God.

Adnan

@ThomasPornin Because I see it's pointless to try to answer it scientifically.

@ScottPack I don't know what's that

@CodesInChaos I also lean towards that.

Scott Pack

Chasing Amy

Chasing Amy is a 1997 American romantic comedy film written and directed by Kevin Smith. The central tension revolves around sexuality, sexual history, and evolving friendships. It is the third film in Smith's View Askewniverse series. The film contains explicit sexual dialogue, and was originally inspired by a brief scene from an early movie by a friend of Smith's. In Guinevere Turner's Go Fish, one of the lesbian characters imagines her friends passing judgment on her for "selling out" by sleeping with a man. Kevin Smith was dating star Joey Lauren Adams at the time he was writing the ...

@Adnan Specifically the fact that she was nicknamed "Finger Cuffs"

Adnan

15:08

I mean if someone came to you and told you: "There's big dinosaur in a far galaxy that can't be observed by telescopes"

Wouldn't be ridiculous to take him seriously, even a little.

asadz

for me the biggest limitation or human hurdle is 'TIME' we as humans has no control over it. Like the fastest supercomputer in the world with brightest , smartest and optimized algo can sketch for a person life in what events he or he may not encounter in the next 24 hours.

Adnan

@asadz No, and as you can probably see, noone is interested.

TildalWave

@ThomasPornin What's the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy entry on God?

asadz

who controls time?

@Adnan interested in what?

Jeff Ferland

@asadz youtube.com/watch?v=6fpq3ckuPhY

Scott Pack

15:09

hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/God

Adnan

@asadz Norris' picture

asadz

ok im boring:(

sorry @Adnan

Rory McCune

@ScottPack yay View Askew movies :)

asadz

@JeffFerland youtube is kinda blocked in my country

i have to tor this link

Scott Pack

@RoryMcCune I need to watch Chasing Amy again. It's been about 15 years.

Adnan

15:10

@asadz Iran?

asadz

@Adnan iran lol

why iran would block youtube ....

Adnan

@ScottPack Should I?

TildalWave

@ScottPack yup that's it, cheers! now who said you can't argue rationally about the existence or nonexistence of God? :))

Rory McCune

@ScottPack yeah I have all of them on DVD (apart from Zack and Miri), need to back through the lot...

Scott Pack

@RoryMcCune Even Clerks 2? Ugh.

@RoryMcCune That one had a few moments, but I found it all together pretty terrible.

Adnan

15:12

@asadz Pakistan?

asadz

hmmm

Rory McCune

@ScottPack yeah come it's completist + does have some good scenes

also I believe there is going to be a clerks 3

asadz

interesting @Adnan profiling is quiet a art ; you could work in FBI

like really lol

Rory McCune

@ScottPack I didn't really like Zack and Miri too much..

Scott Pack

@RoryMcCune I haven't seen it

asadz

15:13

scott do you like women? in heels

like high heels

or flats..

or there is a third options? platform shoes

Rory McCune

@ScottPack ah thought that was what the second comment referred to.. I wouldn't go out of your way for it... Clerks+mallrats+chasing amy+dogma are all good in my book

Adnan

@asadz It's easy.

Scott Pack

@RoryMcCune Ah, it's also new. I haven't seen many movies lately. Is it anything like Zak and Sara?

Rory McCune

@ScottPack dunno what's dat?

Scott Pack

@RoryMcCune Those are definitely my favorites. Dogma is a good fun romp. I mean. Come on. Alan Rickman. What's not to like?

Adnan

15:15

for (int i = 0; i < countries.length; i++) {
  if (countries[i].isBlocking('Youtube') && countries[i].names.isPopular('Asad')) {
        return countries[i];
  }
}

asadz

@Adnan you can drop my your CV anytime

Scott Pack

@RoryMcCune A Ben Folds song off Rockin the Suburbs.

asadz

hmmmmm nice correlation lol

Rory McCune

@ScottPack indeed Alan Rickman + salma Hayek + Jay & Silent bob, gotta be good!

TildalWave

@Adnan You're missing a return value :P

Adnan

15:16

@asadz Well, it's all there. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_YouTube#By_country

asadz

lolol

Scott Pack

@RoryMcCune Best line in the whole movie. "But I'm a fuckin' demon."

Adnan

@TildalWave Fixed.

asadz

@Adnan you can come to my place whenever you visit my country.

Adnan

@TildalWave Damn it! No no, not fixed. This will stop only after the first mach. I probably should put them in a list and return after the loop is over.

TildalWave

15:18

@Adnan I'm pretty sure even asadz can only be at one place at the same time, like most of us

Adnan

@asadz I doubt that will ever happen, but thanks for the nice invite.

@TildalWave Read it again. Realize your mistake. Feel bad.

asadz

wow @Adnan racist lol

why hate on a country?

TildalWave

@Adnan i.e. you should fix your conditional clause rather than list all semi-relevant results

Adnan

@asadz The most abused word.

asadz

and most relevant too lol

CodesInChaos

15:20

@asadz Youtube is kinda blocked in Germany as well, not that video though

Adnan

@TildalWave How?! We only have two information about his country. 1- Blocking Youtube, 2- The name asad is popular.

Scott Pack

@CodesInChaos Something about a French holiday in the late 30s and early 40s?

Adnan

@CodesInChaos What?! Really?

asadz

youtube is blocked in Germany but countries block sites for different reaons

like the censorship policy is not unconfirmed across all countries.

CodesInChaos

@Adnan Youtube blocks many videos with music in Germany due to licensing disagreements. So technicall it's not youtube that's blocked, but youtube that's blocking.

asadz

15:21

youtube is blocked in Germany but countries block sites for different reaons

TildalWave

@Adnan and there's recent activity originating from one of that country's IPs linked to this chat here, or Sec.SE in general?

Adnan

@CodesInChaos Oh, that's what you mean. Then Youtube blocks videos from Germany, not the German government blocking videos from the people.

asadz

not unconfirmed but unformed * sorry for typo

i hate my dell n5110 laptop the keys are messsy and super fast

Adnan

@TildalWave But I can't determine his IP!

CodesInChaos

The funniest part about these blocks is that everybody involved claims that they're against the blocks

TildalWave

15:23

@Adnan wait

@asadz hey asadz, have you seen my new page? tildalwave.com

asadz

i like americans strategy they don't block anything but they FILTER everything instead:)

Adnan

@TildalWave No, you wait.

TildalWave

1 from Canada...

Thomas Pornin

@TildalWave That's me.

If you want to do that, just include an image link here.

Scott Pack

@TildalWave No, what you want to do is hotlink an image in here.

Good man.

asadz

15:25

@TildalWave hmmm nice

Terry Chia

@TildalWave hahaha.

asadz

i should not be locking on this link

TildalWave

@ThomasPornin I didn't doubt... problem is my city tracking is wrong, you're not in Toronto, are you?

asadz

but thanks :)

Thomas Pornin

bolet.org/~pornin/index-fr.html

dammit, don';t remember the syntax

but that's the idea

TildalWave

15:26

1 from Singapore

Scott Pack

@TildalWave This came up when I googled

asadz

clicking*

Scott Pack

asadz

i like this better 'what is my ip'

Adnan

@asadz, this is you 39.47.140.13

asadz

15:26

google does it all for you

Thomas Pornin

No, I am not in Toronto, but I use my phone presently.

Terry Chia

@TildalWave that would be me.

asadz

hmmm @Adnan close lol

TildalWave

You all are really not making my life any easier LOL

Scott Pack

@TerryChia Your IP comes back to a Pakistani registrar?

TildalWave

15:27

Can you please stop clicking on my honeypot?

asadz

lmao

TildalWave

The bear is excused

Adnan

@TildalWave Here you go pastebin.com/X19eTUxd

asadz

thanks god i never clicked it

Scott Pack

@TildalWave It's cool. Mine should be trivially easy.

asadz

15:27

instead i googled it:)

Terry Chia

@ScottPack huh?

TildalWave

ok i have an idea how to get all of your IPs lol

ah shoot i'm not tracking images with my current log format

1 min

Scott Pack

@TerryChia The IP that @TildalWave posted. It's allocated to Pakistan Telecommuication company limited.

Adnan

Somebody from the UK hasn't updated his Firefox!

@TildalWave Already given you the list pastebin.com/X19eTUxd

Terry Chia

@ScottPack He didn't post any IPs. That would be @Adnan. I said the guy from Singapore was me. :)

Scott Pack

15:29

@TerryChia Bugger.

TildalWave

@Adnan yeah I saw

asadz

talking about singapore my guys are going there on 23 this week

TildalWave

@Adnan now use it in your code lol

asadz

they all want to get a massage lol

like i said DON't coz some massage can paralyze you

like I'm scared of getting A massage

they all want to get a massage lol

Adnan

@TerryChia I think I'm 81.209.51.2

TildalWave

15:31

Digest: pastebin.com/eTsU5QnQ

Terry Chia

asadz

you think lol

Adnan

@TildalWave Shiiit! I haven't realized that the hostname is awfully pinpointing!

Terry Chia

Damn @ThomasPornin. Stole 15 rep from me. :(

asadz

you think lol

thats such a BIG revelation :)

let me bookmark this app

Scott Pack

15:33

@Adnan It can be, yeah.

Adnan

@ScottPack In my case it's the country, city, and the building where I am right now

Rory McCune

@Adnan or it can be wrong, has me as being in London when I'm not...

Scott Pack

@Adnan Mine only gets as far as the closest metro area, which is somewhat far away.

Adnan

@RoryMcCune So it's just a bad-luck brian in my case

TildalWave

@Adnan My cities database is probably quite a bit off, but the countries are pretty good... should be compared with TLD just in case, tho

Scott Pack

15:34

@RoryMcCune Much like me, it gets you to the closest metro area.

Rory McCune

@ScottPack ooh is that good snark...?

asadz

and IP address is just an address at the end of day.

Adnan

I guess I'll add chat.stackexchange.com to my Tor foxyproxy list

Scott Pack

@RoryMcCune Mebbe

TildalWave

@RoryMcCune yes... like I said, the cities part needs updating but I don't really have any need for it, so... a week saved ;)

Scott Pack

15:35

@TildalWave Yeah, there are lots of entries with no city. Some of which are painfully obvious from whois data.

Rory McCune

@ScottPack well suggesting to a scotsman that the nearest metro area is London, could be considered a deathly insult :op

Scott Pack

@RoryMcCune Couldn't be any worse than the time I spoke without thinking and used the phrase, "English Empire" to a Scotsman.

Terry Chia

@RoryMcCune I thought most things can be considered a deathly insult to a scotsman.

Adnan

@TildalWave, ahh! You posted the file publicly and without expiration :|

asadz

I think being a MOD you can always locate anyone (e.g IP address)

TildalWave

15:36

@ScottPack that's just rDNS lookup, no whois there

Rory McCune

@ScottPack ooh nasty

Thomas Pornin

@TerryChia Including "scotsman".

asadz

those scripts are most friendly to SE mods

Scott Pack

@RoryMcCune In my defense, that was the term used throughout school.

TildalWave

@Adnan just hit "report abuse" ;)

Rory McCune

15:37

@TerryChia well possibly but implying that scots people are in England is usually considered one of the worst...

@ScottPack yeah it's not uncommon outside the UK..

Terry Chia

13

Q: How to go about firing a family member...?

To cut a long story short, my company is set up like this: 51% is mine, the programmer 39% is my wife's, the artist 10% is my father's, who helped set up the company However, my wife has only been a burden lately. As far as our relationship goes, I am extremely passive and she is very much the...

management

Nasty business.

CodesInChaos

@asadz You don't need to be a mod to figure out an IP address in this chat

just post an image, and you get the IP of everybody who viewed it

asadz

yeah thats right but mod have got that privilege?

Terry Chia

@CodesInChaos s/in this chat/on the internet

CodesInChaos

@TerryChia Usually only the server knows.

But here users can embed images from their own servers

Terry Chia

15:41

Ah true, the embed part.

Thomas Pornin

asadz

hmmm

should i click/?

Thomas Pornin

@asadz No, not necessary.

Terry Chia

@asadz Doesn't matter, his got your IP already.

Adnan

@asadz you don't need to, already recorded your IP

@ThomasPornin Just while I was configuring adblockplus to block cross-domain images on chat.stackexchange.com

asadz

15:43

hmhm

like this is unfair i don't even hover my mouse over it

Adnan

@asadz Your browser is nice enough to download it for you

asadz

does his code detects my eye movement? like image processing lol

Thomas Pornin

@asadz There is no fairness in the Internet. Only technology and people.

5

Scott Pack

@asadz There was somebody who went a bit off the deep end about this some months ago. It is, for better or worse, the way the Internet works.

asadz

hmmmmm

so its just the IP.

good old ip address hm

Adnan

15:45

@AviD You might find this amusing. If put next to some previous statements regarding your experience with firewalls

asadz

i think any idea of anonymity an internet user had google just killed it already.

Adnan

@asadz Incorrect. You can still be fairly anonymous on the Internet. To me, the cost out weighs the benefits, that's why I don't bother working on it.

Thomas Pornin

@asadz If you saw the picture, then the picture is already in your computer, which means that the data has already been fetched from my server. Irrespective of the movements or even existence of your mouse.

TildalWave

@ScottPack LOL @ 'painfully obvious'... you probably meant ...carolina.res.rr.com;United States;West Virginia;Clarksburg;? :)))

Scott Pack

@ThomasPornin What if it is a simple field mouse? Surely those cannot fetch images so quickly.

@TildalWave That's one, though I'm surprised it came back as Clarksburg. That is more likely allocated out of the Raleigh office.

Adnan

15:49

@lynks Looking through PHP's source for you..

Windows users, help! How can I get a window that is outside my screen?

Scott Pack

@Adnan Win+M ?

I think that maximizes

Adnan

@ScottPack I had 3 screens, the main in the middle, and one on each side. I returned the one on the right, and now every application I used to use on the right side now disappears from the screen.

Also, that didn't work

Scott Pack

@Adnan nice

Adnan

I miss XP! Right click on the taskbar, then move

Scott Pack

The first time you launch Juniper's NSM it does that.

Adnan

15:58

@ScottPack (Sigh) I feel stupid. I asked a colleague for his monitor, I connected it, dragged the window from the new monitor and disconnected it.

Scott Pack

:)

sevenforums.com/tutorials/…

CodesInChaos

rightclick on the taskbar entry, choose move, and then hit an arrow key

the window will jump to the mouse

on Win7 you need shift+rightclick

asadz

@Adnan fair anonymity is strictly relative so doesn't count for anything for me

Scott Pack

Well. Nothing quite like running a 60 minute pcap replay to institue a break for lunch

asadz

@ThomasPornin thanks for explanation

and sorry for late compliments i was away

Adnan

16:08

@ScottPack So is that your version of this?

asadz

anybody home?

TildalWave

16:29

@Adnan change your screen resolution, that should stack them back on your desktop monitor. There are probably other ways but that works fine for me.

asadz

I Think @Adnan is away.

TildalWave

@asadz either that or he managed to get this chat on the other now disconnected monitor as well LOL

asadz

hmm

but laptop makes typing easy

Terry Chia

@TildalWave If the monitor is disconnected previously, how did he get the chat there? :P

asadz

in my office i got dual monitors

i view chat on my SG3 sometimes

i give dedicated presence to SE on one mointor.

TildalWave

16:40

@TerryChia sticky notes? :P

asadz

should i get a fan award for this; i bet i should

stupid compute

kicked me out

Thomas Pornin

17:05

Ah, I have positive rep for the week again.

this.josh

But the question and answers are a mess. Why add a bounty?

Terry Chia

@this.josh Because he can.

this.josh

For large values of 0

Terry Chia

He is performing an experiment. As for why, I dare not question the motives of The Bear.

Alright, it's bedtime. Don't spam too much or I'll have to crawl through the transcript again. :(

this.josh

Question everything, until you get kicked out

Iszi

17:24

@ScottPack can't say I've ever bothered to try doing it any other way.

Scott Pack

@Iszi You know what that is? Lame.

TildalWave

@ThomasPornin your experiment is regarding what happens to rep train questions if they're left unprotected VS protected but well buttered?

asadz

@Adnan knock knock?

Iszi

@ScottPack Just because I try to use Excel as a database doesn't mean I try to make it do everything for me. If I could do that, I wouldn't need a wife.

Scott Pack

Trufe.

TildalWave

17:31

My answer: not very accurate, it takes 557.8445600081177067478437341451 years to iterate through all the possible keys at 1000 guesses per second, not 550 years LOL

...actually, some of these would be leap years... so roughly 557.46273621618881030243111009709 years

And I have my pocket calculator to prove it!

►

asadz

pockets computer can handle such large values?

this.josh

17:47

I enjoy multivariable experiments.

Thomas Pornin

@this.josh Good !

Iszi

Is it just me or is it nigh impossible to do a reply in chat on phone?

this.josh

boolean !(Bad)

Iszi

Or even to star anything, for that matter.

TildalWave

@Iszi how about the left drop-down menu?

asadz

17:49

@Iszi i can do this

i do this with samsung glaxy

Iszi

Urgh. Or edit anything other than your most recent message.

asadz

i do it all through my phone

AJ Henderson

quick sanity check

security.stackexchange.com/questions/32863/… is off topic since it is really just asking for a Chat server that supports encryption right?

Iszi

@asadz Are you using the mobile version of the website, or the desktop version?

asadz

@Iszi first i have downloaded this app SE anywhere its from google play store

AJ Henderson

17:52

@Iszi - wait, there's a way to use chat on the mobile version

asadz

from their i simply right click 'view on web'

it takes me to the web version of SE

TildalWave

@Iszi Droidstack for Android has chat support also but I didn't try it yet

AJ Henderson

@tildalwave - downloading now

asadz

from there i have to change context to desktop mode and then i click on CHAT

Iszi

@asadz I have a Windows phone.

Scott Pack

17:53

I think the mobile version of the page has better chat support than Droidstack.

AJ Henderson

@Iszi - well there's your first problem ;)

asadz

have u tried opening the web-page from ur mobile?

lolol

AJ Henderson

note, I say this as a man who makes his living writing code for ASP.Net in C#

Iszi

Could swap to desktop mode if I wanted, but kinda rather not.

Scott Pack

@Iszi The mobile version of the page doesn't have any of those fancy buttons that are reasonable at all to reach. You can star a message that someone else has already starred, though.

asadz

17:55

@ScottPack is right it lot of messy and the screen chat screen never gets adjusted to your mobile fone graphics , its just hazy

but thats just the chat ; answer to OP questions works easy as well commenting

wait let me try if i can get a screen shot

wait

Iszi

Chat screen looks fine to me, but a lot of features are definitely harder, if not impossible, to get to. Heading back to the office now though.

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