The DMZ

AviD

10:01

huh??

ahh, Spring Break.

Excellent movie. By which I mean, incredibly crap movie but with boobies.

D3C4FF

@TerryChia So the scan i used above is wrong?

@AviD lulz

Terry Chia

@D3C4FF The --packet-trace option simply shows what packets are being sent and received by nmap. So you will have to use it with one of the various flags. Then just trace through the packets to determine if nmap's information is reliable. It is a lot of work and requires a lot of networking knowledge though,

D3C4FF

Oh yeah, no i get that. There's very little information on that site to go on though so even with all the packets being displayed, it only takes a few minutes to look at.

Terry Chia

@D3C4FF Well, not sure what else you can do to fingerprint it. :(

D3C4FF

10:17

Its alright. Its a pretty hardened box so there's not much being given away...

Web-apps round two

Jeff Ferland

10:30am == 3:30am == I want to sleep :(

Rory McCune

10:40

@JeffFerland ah is that you back in the states?

Jeff Ferland

Yup

Rory McCune

@JeffFerland jetlag is a bugger. Well your better off over there the snows back here we've had about 3-4inches of the stuff since yesterday

@Iszi @Polynomial just saw this song and thought it was apposite to this... youtube.com/watch?v=RYivyUfarws

Rory Alsop

@RoryMcCune That band is quite special :-)

Rory McCune

@RoryAlsop I love me some Professor elemental, also Mr B.. song for Acid Edward is awesome youtube.com/watch?v=xT2iP5Si-Ho

Rory Alsop

@RoryMcCune Just watched through cup of brown joy and fighting trousers :-)

Rory McCune

10:51

@RoryAlsop yeah the videos that moog did for him are quality, the steampunk'ish stuff goes well with the songs..

Rory Alsop

@RoryMcCune so ... who is Moog?

Rory McCune

@RoryAlsop dunno some video making dude :) peculiana.com/Peculiana.html

Rory Alsop

heh

Terry Chia

11:05

When computers are crashing all around you, it’s sometimes difficult to tell if it’s clientcide or servercide.

Tweeted by SecurityHumor on March 19, 2013 at 11:03 AM

void_in

11:26

Scott Pack

12:46

@AviD It's cool old man. Our spring break was the week before last.

@TerryChia Thank you for seeing the light.

Terry Chia

13:03

@ScottPack What are you referring to? Kinda hard to tell since it isn't linked to anything.

Scott Pack

Nmap options.

Terry Chia

@ScottPack Ahh. Yeah.

Scott Pack

Mostly internally consistent, but completely not standard for everything else.

asadz

13:31

@Gilles thank you very much for reviewing my posts.

Adnan

13:46

It's so embarrassing when the page fails to notify you about newly posted answers while you write an answer.

Terry Chia

@Adnan You just got Pornin-ed.

Adnan

@TerryChia Well the issue is, whenever you post an answer after the bear, it always looks like a cheap knockoff.

Terry Chia

@Adnan Hence,

2 mins ago, by Terry Chia

@Adnan You just got Pornin-ed.

Adnan

@TerryChia Did our "hack teh codez" friend come by the DMZ?

Terry Chia

@Adnan Dunno.

D3C4FF

13:52

Night all!

Iszi

@D3C4FF That's what she said!

Adnan

@Iszi Jesus! Thank you for this one, I was a bit down.

Iszi

@D3C4FF The worst part is when you forget which VPN or RDP you're in and wonder why things aren't working.

Adnan

@AviD I think this has stayed here long enough

Thomas Pornin

I have just started an experiment.

Adnan

14:01

@ThomasPornin I love experiments, what are you trying to do?

Thomas Pornin

@Adnan I am awarding a +500 bounty on the XKCD-password question

I'd like to see how it changes readership and upvotes

Terry Chia

@ThomasPornin Hah. Too much rep to throw around?

Thomas Pornin

@TerryChia Honestly, offering less than 500 would look cheap in my case.

Adnan

@ThomasPornin I just hope that Jeff doesn't win it.

Terry Chia

@Adnan @AviD will probably mod-hammer @ThomasPornin if he awards the bounty to Jeff. :P

Scott Pack

14:06

Oh, I'll bet @AviD would totally hammer @ThomasPornin if he got the chance.

4

Adnan

@ScottPack I really didn't need that image

Terry Chia

@Adnan Sureeee you didn't.

Scott Pack

@Adnan If I wasn't trying to get work done I would totally go mock something up in Photoshop for you.

Terry Chia

@ScottPack Ok, we need that image ASAP. Work can be done later.

Adnan

@ScottPack What are you working on now?

Scott Pack

14:10

Thesis stuff. I'm processing data files.

Adnan

@ScottPack Masters?

@ThomasPornin, what does he mean? security.stackexchange.com/questions/32839/…

Scott Pack

@Adnan Yeah. I've got 3 test phases that I need to run. Completed one, halfway through another.

I should probably go back and update my docs. I had sketched out a 'Claimed Statements' document that morphed into full on outline including proofing tests. I have a bunch of handwritten notes that I should collapse in.

Adnan

@ScottPack Have you started working harder after reading this? :p

Scott Pack

@Adnan I haven't read it, but I probably won't, no. I have other motivations.

asadz

hi scott

Scott Pack

14:17

Morning.

asadz

how are you?

Adnan

@ScottPack If they're related to photshopping AviD hammering Thomas, then I don't want to hear them.

Thomas Pornin

@Adnan I think he is asking whether there is an anonymous file sharing in Tor

Adnan

@asadz Hi asadz

asadz

my name is asad

z is just a SE thing

like its a handle or whatever

Adnan

14:18

@asadz So it's not part of your last name?

asadz

its asad

no

Scott Pack

@Adnan Absolutely nothing, no. Honestly, my entire reason for going to grad school was that the job market sucked at the time and I thought it would be a reasonable way to delay entering and give me a potential leg up on getting a better job.

Adnan

@ThomasPornin There's something grammatically wrong with his comment. I'm not able to fully understand it. Probably just me, I don't know.

Scott Pack

@Adnan As a direct result of going to grad school I was offered a job working for the security office. Hence fulfilling my entire purpose of getting the MS without finishing the degree.

Adnan

@ScottPack I guess you're right. Usually those new hip workplaces don't really care about degrees that much.

@ScottPack How long about you been working on it?

Scott Pack

14:21

@Adnan I finished my coursework in 2006.

asadz

scott i asked you how are you?

but you never really replied..

too busy to say 'ok' lol

anyhow i was here for @Gilles

Scott Pack

@Adnan I really only got started on the whole thesis thing late last summer.

asadz

say Hi to him if someones sees him

Adnan

@asadz Well, long time ago I asked you how old are you, you never answered

Scott Pack

@asadz I missed it. I'm doing well. The weather has taken a turn for the chilly, but I have hopes for the future.

Terry Chia

14:23

Wheeee 6k~

asadz

gooood @ScottPack

Adnan

@ScottPack So you guys don't have a limit on how long you should take to finish the thesis?

asadz

i missed you...

@Adnan i don't like your questions sometimes

Adnan

@TerryChia Bastardo!!

Jeff Ferland

@asadz Speaking of which, I mentioned an answer of yours last night you haven't gotten back to me on. You understand why that answer was a problem, yes?

asadz

14:23

so i don't want to answer

sorry

Adnan

@asadz, no, come on. You don't have to apologize, it's okay. I don't like you either.

asadz

@JeffFerland usually when i write something the entire SE comes pounding on me lol sometimes i miss the comments @JeffFerland

Scott Pack

@Adnan There are rules and such. I really only have to be enrolled during the term that I defend. I'll also have to reapply to the graduate school, but it's more about filling out forms and maybe paying a couple of fees than anything else.

Terry Chia

Mar 8 at 13:54, by AviD

@Adnan First rule of Stack Exchange: BE NICE.

asadz

lololol

@Adnan at least i don't lie

i make life easy

pretending is hard you should know

@JeffFerland sorry for not getting back on the question

if its related to xprobe2 i have already contacted the author for this (orfin arkin)

Adnan

14:26

@asadz Hmm interesting. Enlighten me, my friend. What do you think I'm pretending be?

asadz

i will post his reply as soon i get it

Jeff Ferland

@asadz No, it was the one where you copypasta'd from Cisco.

asadz

like you can say openly look asadz i don't like you

and stuff

Adnan

@TerryChia Yes sir!

lynks

is anyone else really getting tired of all this?

Terry Chia

14:27

@lynks yes

asadz

well i did replied back

i think I'm answering all my posts

let me check up again ...

Adnan

@asadz, I love you, I wanna merry you and I want you to have my babies. Is that better now @TerryChia?

Jeff Ferland

@Adnan Silence is preferable.

Terry Chia

@Adnan Marry*, but yeah that's fine. :P

asadz

i won't call it copy pasted @JeffFerland because the company i work in has got the same technology installed; i know what it does; but then SE FAQ says to give references and most importantly people don't understand me without references.

Adnan

14:28

@JeffFerland I prefer not to, but thanks for the lovely advice.

asadz

@Adnan wow

so much for being NICE

lynks

I get back from 2 weeks in texas to find...well, exactly the same DMZ that i left. asadz still at war with the rest of secse.

Adnan

@lynks Only one thing has changed. We missed you a lot.

lynks

@Adnan :D

Scott Pack

@lynks Was it a nice trip?

asadz

14:30

my name is asad :(

Jeff Ferland

@ScottPack It was Texas. What's nice about Texas?

Terry Chia

@lynks You should have came back earlier. We had a nice long discussion on the various nmap flags earlier that kinda pissed off @AviD. :P

Scott Pack

@JeffFerland I've heard Austin isn't bad. I have a friend that just moved to San Antonio so I'll find out about it soon.

Adnan

@asadz Such a nice name by the way. Does it mean lion?

Rory McCune

@TerryChia that does seem to have driven him from the DMZ doesn't it

asadz

14:31

yes it means exactly that.

i was not even fighting .

@lynks don't seems to like me.

i just came in

@RoryMcCune thanks for formatting my posts.

Adnan

@asadz No no no, please don't think that. We all like you

asadz

you format it best:)

LIE

Rory McCune

@asadz Sorry not sure what you're referring to, I've not changed any of your posts

Jeff Ferland

@asadz This social commentary is making the SNR ratio in here horrible and will eventually drive people away. I need to prevent people from being driven away.

Terry Chia

Seriously.... it's the INTERNET. No one is obliged to like you.... Give it a rest.

asadz

14:33

lmao

lynks

@ScottPack yeah it was a great trip, 2 weeks of free drinks and great live music.

Adnan

@JeffFerland You can start by not telling them to shut up.

asadz

@JeffFerland social commentary interesting if i can recall DMZ chat logs talked more radical and controversial then loves / hates.. I think it was adnan gay tantrums, i remember avid once said its not a gentleman clubs so its kinda accepted; i expect people to show a bigger heart.

@RoryMcCune you haven't edited my posts?

Jeff Ferland

@Adnan I think you've misunderstood me if it boiled down to that, but I'm not sure I can effectively clarify what I meant.

asadz

I'm confusing someone by similar name ..i guess

Rory McCune

14:36

@asadz not a single one of them

Adnan

@asadz It's okay. No one really hates you, there was a misunderstanding at some point, let's move on.

lynks

@JeffFerland the food mostly. and the bars.

asadz

@Adnan makes sense

Jeff Ferland

@Adnan Actually, that's a good phrasing about what I was trying to say.

Rory Alsop

@adnan and @asadz - what @jeff said is one of the core reasons mod roles exist. We clean up the mess so the regulars don't find the place too unpleasant. This has become more work recently.

asadz

14:38

@RoryAlsop please don't blame I'm here for @Gilles trust me see my chat logs i don't come as often in DMZ

i wanted to thanks @Gilles for his time in formating my posts.

Adnan

@RoryAlsop Ahhh. Okay.

@JeffFerland It's alright, all good. I knew that's what you meant.

TildalWave

who's gonna pour me a pint? i just made my first mortarboard badge hehe

asadz

anyhow, @JeffFerland is right.

TildalWave

.... but on SO :(

asadz

what is motarboard?

Terry Chia

14:39

@TildalWave Congrats. :)

asadz

its kind of scandalous term

Adnan

lynks

@TildalWave :) i always thought that should be a silver

TildalWave

YAY keep them coming

lynks

@Adnan put away your eurofizz

asadz

14:40

lol

this one looks like apple MALT

Adnan

@lynks :O !! How dare you?!

Rory Alsop

Pint about to be poured @tildal. Now how we get it to you? Congrats by the way!

asadz

@Adnan i don't think you should drink

its against your religion

lynks

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop FedEx.

lynks

14:40

^^ that is a pint

Scott Pack

@asadz It's the name for a type of formal academic dress. I'm not sure how that's scandalous.

TildalWave

@lynks at first they're all silver (when you're notified on SE dashboard).. .then they degrade it for motivational purposes :)

asadz

no @scott

let me explain

wait

Adnan

@asadz Yes, my atheist god told me not drink. Thank you for reminding me.

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop i was a rep bitch for 10 minutes, how else? :))

asadz

14:42

u athiest?

Scott Pack

Square academic cap

The square academic cap, graduate cap, or mortarboard (because of its similarity in appearance to the hawk used by bricklayers to hold mortar) or Oxford cap, is an item of academic head dress consisting of a horizontal square board fixed upon a skull-cap, with a tassel attached to the center. In the UK and the US, it is commonly referred to informally in conjunction with an academic gown worn as a cap and gown. It is also often termed a square, trencher, or corner-cap in Australia. The adjective academical is also used. In the US and UK, it is usually referred to more generically as a ...

Adnan

@lynks Damn! You and your good dark beer!

@asadz Yes

asadz

@ScottPack got it i was confusing it with motarboating...

like two different things

Terry Chia

What the flying fuck cisco? tools.cisco.com/security/center/content/CiscoSecurityResponse/…

Adnan

@asadz Good one!

Scott Pack

14:43

@asadz That would be motorboating.

Thomas Pornin

@Adnan Your god is a god who does not believe in himself ?

Scott Pack

I have made that joke myself.

asadz

lol

Scott Pack

@asadz For the record, there are a number of us that chat in here.

Terry Chia

> Due to an implementation issue, the Type 4 password algorithm does not use PBKDF2 and does not use a salt, but instead performs a single iteration of SHA-256 over the user-provided plaintext password.

facepalm

CodesInChaos

14:43

@TerryChia where's that from?

lynks

@ThomasPornin maybe he doesnt realise he is a god

Adnan

@ThomasPornin Well, he doesn't believe in a superior deity.

Terry Chia

@CodesInChaos Cisco switches. Linked to it in my previous sentence.

Adnan

Actually, quite a nice point @ThomasPornin.

CodesInChaos

@ThomasPornin Goes will with the simulator universe theory

asadz

14:44

@ScottPack thanks

Scott Pack

@Iszi So. I have a chart in Excel that I want to save as a picture. Do I seriously have to copy/paste it into Paint?

Terry Chia

@Adnan That's what she said!

Adnan

In that sense, all gods monotheistic gods are atheists.

CodesInChaos

"god" in that context is a being from a higher layer universe, but obviously doesn't think of itself as "god"

asadz

@Adnan you know no believer lol

Adnan

14:45

@asadz Would you like to rephrase that? I'm not sure I understood you.

lynks

@ScottPack i have screencapped excel charts before, but i am no office guru.

asadz

like you believe in one God...

or many gods

Thomas Pornin

@Adnan Well, the monotheist god of Hebrew, Muslims and Christians appears to firmly believe in His own deity ("I am that I am." -- hard to be more deistic than that)

asadz

I'm office guru as i made a document with 6 level headings lol

I rock with Ms office

Thomas Pornin

Also, "all the monotheist gods" is a problematic expression.

lynks

14:47

@ThomasPornin i just think it highlights the core issue. which is that people need to stop arguing over who's imaginary friend is the best.

Terry Chia

@lynks Mine obviously.

Agree or GTFO.

asadz

lmao imaginary friend

lynks

@TerryChia you mean your girlfriend?

Adnan

@ThomasPornin While they do realize their own power, they don't believe in someone with higher power who created them. Isn't that the essence of atheism?

Terry Chia

@lynks ouch. :(

lynks

14:48

@TerryChia haha sorry :P

asadz

@Adnan you do have a very common name if you live in that part of region..

Adnan

@lynks Right in the balls!

Rory Alsop

@lynks - welcome back!

Terry Chia

@Adnan Right* Second time in an hour. :P

Adnan

@asadz Which part of region?

Terry Chia

14:49

Hell, 15minutes.

lynks

@RoryAlsop thanks :)

asadz

you tell me lol

i don't want to make assumptions

Thomas Pornin

@lynks They will just argue about something else. That's people for you. Religion is not really a cause for warfare, but is a very convenient excuse for justifying plunder.

asadz

buts its kinda close to the center of earth.

TildalWave

Finland?

lynks

14:50

@asadz you live underground?

asadz

no

lynks

that explains everything

asadz

its like warm waters

not COLD

Adnan

@TildalWave Finland is in the center of the earth?! :D

asadz

south? not north

no

Adnan

14:50

That explains the heat wave of -30 this winter

lynks

@Adnan I got drunk with a couple of metalheads from helsinki last week :P

TildalWave

@Adnan you realize the world is a globe, right? Just turn it any way it suits you :P

asadz

adnan is a popular name if you are living in __________

fill in the blanks.

lynks

@ThomasPornin ahh so you have little faith in globalisation leading to peace?

asadz

lolol

Adnan

14:51

@TildalWave I was think center of the earth = core.

TildalWave

@Adnan I'm not saying that will work on the Sun tho

asadz

the median of the earth idk I'm confused

Rory Alsop

Finland near the centre of the earth. Lapland near Finland. This explains why Santa sounds so like Satan...

TildalWave

@Adnan well then you're pretty hard core :)))

Thomas Pornin

@Adnan I would rather state that atheism is about an unsubstantiated assertion about metaphysics (i.e. that no god exists -- which is no more and no less proven than the existence of any particular god). The Almighty cannot be atheist because he has nothing to believe. He just sees.

Scott Pack

14:52

@Adnan I thought the US was the center of the earth?

2

Adnan

@asadz Turkey? Iran? Afghanistan? Lebanon? Or (unfortunately) the UK?

asadz

close lol

mmmm

Thomas Pornin

There cannot be any matter of faith when you are omniscient. You just take note of facts.

lynks

@ThomasPornin speaking for yourself.

Thomas Pornin

@lynks I don't believe in suppression of religions leading to peace.

TildalWave

14:53

@ScottPack actually Americans were technically the closest to the center of the Earth when they landed on the Moon ;)

Adnan

@ThomasPornin Agreed

Thomas Pornin

I believe in suppression of religions leading to less religions.

asadz

they landed on the moon? but thats a myth lol

Rory Alsop

@thomas - yup, it's all true

lynks

@TildalWave wait, what?

Adnan

14:54

@ScottPack I should really try bourbon

TildalWave

@lynks ... the origins or our Moon ;) there's your clue

Scott Pack

@Adnan Yes you should. I have a quickly emptying bottle of Knob in the cabinet that is somewhat good.

lynks

@TildalWave haha got it :P

asadz

let me make it more easy @Adnan are you allowed to enter the holy city of MAKKAH.?

lynks

@ThomasPornin you should head back to europe sometime, we have pretty much grown out of religion. now we just have to figure out the money thing...

Adnan

14:55

@ThomasPornin But you're assuming that the assertion that god doesn't exist is a matter of faith

The thing, it's not that I believe that god doesn't exist. I need an empirical evidence proving his existence.

asadz

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7359258.stm

Scott Pack

@Adnan That is more of an agnostic viewpoint.

Rory Alsop

@asadz - just a quick query: when others ignore your questions it could be similar to when you ignore theirs.

asadz

he is asking my age? @RoryAlsop

its like invasion of my privacy lol

Scott Pack

@Adnan Or at least getting close to it.

Adnan

14:58

@ScottPack I don't know where that puts me, I guess labels aren't exactly important.

Terry Chia

@asadz If you don't like it, don't answer it. Also note that others have the same privileges...

lynks

One cleric said science had proved Mecca to be the centre of the Earth fml...

asadz

but i don't ask them personal stuff

i only said once like to scott...i made a personal comment about 'me liking his display pic'

like but that was a compliment ...

Scott Pack

@Adnan Without labels how can one make value judgements of other people's character? Balderdash I say.

Adnan

@ScottPack But I started (after I started thinking on my own) from zero. Someone told me there's a being with these specs, I said show me evidence, he said I don't have evidence. End of story.

asadz

14:59

lolol

Adnan

@asadz You're still on that?

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