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01:58
@Sadaluk Sounds like Ferngully.
@RoryAlsop GoT as a show is, from where I'm sitting, pretty well done. Even if you had started from the beginning it's just hard to get into. The story is supposed to be largely court intrigue stuff, which ends up being freaking dense. Hard to translate that into video.
@RoryAlsop On the plus side, about 5 minutes into the first episode you'll see Lena Heady getting ploughed doggy style. So yeah. That happened.
02:13
I largely left this intact, but it feels a bit like tin foil hattery.
 
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03:14
@RoryAlsop I have to disagree on LoTR. The depiction of the balrog makes the movie worth it.
@RoryAlsop Eh, just wear an eyepatch under the 3D glasses. It will bring back all the 2D niceness. Also, if the movie is so bad as to turn viewers blind, well, it will save you one eye.
Whilst on vacation the wife and I saw The Hobbit in 3d, was a first for each. Except for some cases where the action was too fast, and occasional blurriness around the periphery, I thought it worked out well.
@LucasKauffman Note that the first version of the law was ruled unconstitutional, so the actual 75% tax will have to come back in a few months, and it has been announced that it might not be 75% after all.
@ScottPack Peter Jackson still has some taste, and he used the 3D with the required lightness.
The 48 Hz frame rate was a bit disturbing at times: it made the picture sharp, like a documentary instead of the smoothness which is usually encountered in movies.
@ThomasPornin By and large, yeah. There was one scene in particular that was, in my opinion, completely unnecessary and only existed as a cheap play for tension and to wow you with things coming out of the screen.
I had forgotten that it did have the uber-frame rate.
 
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06:48
@ThomasPornin I think it's just the fact that your mind expects the 24Hz (NTSC) / 25Hz (PAL) / 30Hz (digital film)
your brain has gotten used to interpolating, so it feels completely smooth. add in all the extra frames, and your brain still tries to interpolate - it just feels wrong until you get used to it.
07:29
@ScottPack What's wrong with Tin Foil Hats?
@CodesInChaos Ask more questions.
 
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09:01
@ScottPack yeah, there is that. Plus, if you wait long enough, you'll get to see almost everybody else plowed doggie style, too. Including many of the males.
@ScottPack wow, that's... special.
Should we introduce him to andrew? Or do you think its his sockpuppet?
@ScottPack Downvoted and commented.
I don't mind someone making those kinds of statements, as long as they're properly sourced.
@AviD WHAT?
Actually no, please don't tell me the context...!
09:16
@Sadaluk Well it is GoT. What do you expect?
Ah I missed the history. Just opened this tab and read that. Shocked...!
@Polynomial @Sadaluk also, everybody dies. EVERYBODY.
homosexuality was much more common back then, before the mass religious indoctrination.
or, rather, open displays of it.
@AviD sounds like The Walking Dead :P
@Polynomial that's just what the gay lobbyists want you to think...!!
@AviD hehe
I honestly wouldn't mind a return to that time. People would be way less worried about coming out and other such stuff.
s/time/attitude/
09:18
if im not mistaken, GoT featured some non-consensual male ploughing, in early episodes.
yeah, there was a male rape thing I think.
@Polynomial are... you... coming on to me???
@AviD No ^_^
which is kinda brave territory for an American TV show.
@Polynomial yeah, it is HBO, after all.
it amuses me that the US censors make a huge deal out of any scene where a woman is shown using the toilet, but they're pretty happy to broadcast a man-on-man rape scene.
09:21
@Sadaluk heh, completely context-less, did you think we were talking about the chatroom? Or some conference?
@Polynomial that's different. The men were asking for it.
@AviD I wasn't sure. And I decided very quickly I probably didn't want to know.
Besides, if it was legitimate rape, they would have a way to shut that down.
Although now I do know, it's all fine :)
apparently they refused to broadcast the "Lincoln Lover" episode of American Dad, not because of the ridiculous borderline-offensive gay stereotyping, insinuation that the founder of America was gay, drug references, or the copious man-on-man kissing, but because there's a scene where Stan is stood in the bathroom whilst Francine is taking a dump.
you'd expect them to pander to the whims of the hyper-Christian right-wing anti-homosexual nutjobs.
but instead they're worried about a woman having a shit.
09:55
@Polynomial well, that's just bad taste.
and you know about the 7 words you can never say on television.
NSFW
wait, thats not the original...
this one - also NSFW
(verbal only, so earphones are fine)
10:27
hola
10:39
@devcity2012 morning'
@RoryAlsop bad Rory! bad! use the proper ISO-standard Sec.SE greeting!
happy diurnal isomorphism
@Polynomial I have a cold
@RoryAlsop I have norovirus.
@Polynomial not good - but you have a week to kick it so you'll be fine for Securi-Tay!
11:06
@Polynomial The viruses are transmitted by fecally-contaminated food or water.
Really? How many times have we told you, NOT to drink from the toilet!
This is a great pic of some of the flooding going on now in Tel Aviv area:
seems the rains we've been having are considered quite a bit heavier than usual. I guess that's some consolation for all the leaks I'm discovering around the house....
wow! Guessing you guys just don't have the drainage requirements normally wet countries have
I guess that's the story. I never did understand how there is so much flooding every few years... It's just a little rain!
the drainage is not "3rd world" (at least in most neighborhoods), and usually is sufficient. But I guess there are 3 days every couple of years that are above the supported rainfall.
I was about to ask a security question but this looks like more fun... My 2p's worth is everyone building stuff on flood plains. "Hey, no-one built on this big bit of land for the last 1000 years, must be a great place for a housing development!"
11:26
@JohnU it must be - it's big and flat, there's a water supply close by...
what could possibly go wrong :-)
I suppose in Scotland, drainage pipes double as parking garages?
@AviD no - you'd never get to park anything in them, as they would always be used as drainage pipes :-)
most garages double as places to store stuff out of the rain. Cars just get to sit outside and rust...
@RoryAlsop what about on the 6 days a year that its not raining? Big enough to drive a car into?
hahahahaha - generally no. We don't tend to have big drainage pipes at all, except possibly in a couple of cities, as we have lots of rivers and absorbent soil
Pffft, the 6 days a year it's not raining in scotland it's 'cos it's snowing, surely?
11:44
Having barged in and insulted the Scots, can I don my best n00b hat and ask some security type questions of you guys?
@JohnU of course - questions for the main site, or chat type questions
also, I'd point you to this non-photoshopped evidence: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/7567321#7567321
@JohnU barging in and insulting Scots is a prerequisite before asking n00b questions.
...however I have just been invited out for a lunchtime burger, so I may not answer for a short while :-)
@AviD ...insulting anyone really - as long as it is funny :-)
and I just got my soup on :P
@RoryAlsop well, sure, but Scots are an easier target for n00bs.
@AviD hahahahaha
it's okay - we know it is jealousy - for our whisky, and ... other things
11:58
hehe, well for me it's more about practice.
tolja, my best friend is scottish.
@RoryAlsop yes I'll admit those pictures are not photoshopped, I suspect someone hacked the geotagging to make us believe it was taken it Scotland :)
But his wife is from Manchester. So we get to hear all the classic scottish jokes....
@AviD ahhh - that's where you get 'em from :-)
(if you ever need jokes about Mancunians, I can probably help out...)
@RoryAlsop hehe. Hey, I didnt even know thats what they are called!
@RoryAlsop I also have practice understanding scottish accents. When they're not TOO thick, at least.
I've been made to listen to Billy Connelly for many a drive....
I am for the first time entering a CTF competition, but I have no clue what to expect or prepare for. Can anyone help.
12:04
@bobbyaldol @LucasKauffman is probably a good guy to speak to - he is frequently in here, so I have pinged him
@AviD quite right too - mandatory here :-)
The @ is a notifier for people as they enter the chat, and you can @@ to superping (but that shouldn't be needed here)
@bobbyaldol - and although your meta question was closed as offtopic, there is a meta question from Lucas on getting a Sec.SE CTF team together:
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Q: A Security Stackexchange CTF team

Lucas KauffmanSo I'm participating in my first CTF at the moment, the biggest challenge is getting a good team together. CTF's contain multiple challenges which are often too much for one, two or three people. So I was wondering if people were interested in forming a Security Stackexchange CTF team. Nothing ...

Ooop - John McAfee keeps on giving: infosecurity-magazine.com/view/30084/…
yep I have seen that and that prompted me to ask my question in meta and later realized my mistake
ahh - that explains that. It is quite a wide topic, which is why a question just asking 'what do I need to prepare for to get into CTF's?' won't really work. So chatting here with experienced CTF'ers is definitely your best bet
12:23
Oh herro
@bobbyaldol How can I be of assistance?
@Lucas: I am participating for the first time, I have a pretty good understanding of the cryptographic and networking principles. But CTF is entirely something else I guess. So what are the skills that would help me and how to acquire them??
practice practice practice practice
@Polynomial Of course it is a trick of my mind and how it was trained to expect the 24 Hz of "normal movies". I found it no less disturbing.
participate in CTF's and see that you can hop on board an experienced team or tag along with someone else. The best thing to do is to check out the irc channels for the ctf as there will be users looking for buddies
or you invite yourself to a team if you can offer them something
the skills needed depend on what you want to focus
you can't be good at everything, I consider myself reasonable at web (so attacking web applications) but I suck at exploitation
The best way to know, how strong a hurricane is to fly through it!!! :) :)
12:29
there are multiple categories and the best thing to do is to start with one of them
@ThomasPornin I assume we're on the hobbit? I find it odd that we're still so low on film frame rates. If I drop below 50 in a game I start to feel it, and it's pretty unbearable.
if you havent done a ctf before, there are plenty of sites offering hack challenges, it's best to start there because you will find writeups for some of the challenges
@LucasKauffman: is there any place on the web where they have an archive of CTFs, I really want to try some problems.
@bobbyaldol ctftime has writeups, but I don't think they keep an archive of the challenges
but at least you can read the write ups to see what it's all about
yes anything at this point is very much helpful
12:32
@LucasKauffman you can put me down as reasonable at shellcode+exploitation
I'm learning exploiting atm and I use this smashthestack.org
yeah sts is great
@LucasKauffman That's a great one. I don't have the time atm to dig deep but I really learnt loads on the first couple of challenges.
but there are also broader ones like hack-me.org
where you can access a complete vulnerable machine and try to gain root access
It's pretty easy to find challenges for hacking web applications.
12:34
hackthissite.org
also a CTF is challenging, meaning that you might not get anything the first time you participate or not everything or just low hanging fruit
used to be a big one
I also prepare special virtual machines with tools, I have windows and backtrack vm with tools in prepared
Awesome prizes!
getting good tools or developing good tools is really important
I really like burp for proxying
12:37
@LucasKauffman: thank you very much, you have been a lot of help
At present I am making myself familiar with stuff like injection and cross-site scripting
get webgoat or metasploitable
lots of stuff in there to keep you busy :p
@bobbyaldol if you're wanting to learn the web side of things, I can't recommend this highly enough hackthissite.org particularly the 'realistic' challenges. They take you through all the basics from XSS, injection, cookie stealing, XSRF etc etc.
@bobbyaldol or just go dark-side and start google-dorking :P
@RoryAlsop I'm putting some restrictions in place as people with 20 rep are starting to come in as well
I want to trial this team first and then maybe we can work with more subteams
@bobbyaldol there are some questions on the site abot how to learn these things, not CTF-specific but probably still relevant.
for instance I learned about google-gruyere from here.
@RoryAlsop well, you dont know he's wrong, right? Maybe he's a misunderstood genius.
12:52
I'm starting a project using embedded linux in an ip-connected security camera (we are developing it based on a reference dev system), coming from an embedded-C background I am an ip/linux n00b and wondering where to start reading... any guidance appreciated (yes a very broad question I know!)
@lucas Hadn't
...spotted that one in the popular section of Amazon
It's my favorite book for learning networking and TCP/IP
as well as some basic crypto schemes
@LucasKauffman does it have anything on PPP/PPTP? I have a related issue at the moment and was looking for some literature.
I have the Addison-wesley books on TCP/IP (amazon.co.uk/…)
12:59
@lynks I'm not sure, I did PPP through CCNA
On a slightly different tack, what would be the most common issues/vulns with a small network-connected device? (As opposed to server/website/database)
@JohnU DoS, the integrated device probably has very limited memory.
@JohnU I'm going to say insufficient input validation on whatever your control protocol is. and/or trusting that whatever is sending messages to it
@JohnU broken network stack.
@JohnU applications vulnerable to stack or bufferoverflows probably
13:04
I will go out on a limb and make an assumption that for this device, you (or they) will be rolling your own libs.
@JohnU and Dave!
watch out for Daves
Networking is complex, there are a ton of low-level attacks that all the popular platforms already deal with. Rolling your own you'll be starting over, and have to reimplement all the protections against all those attacks...
It's running Linux 2.6.37, existing web-server is Boa 0.94, it will be streaming video over RTSP & have a web interface for config - but currently nothing clever like PHP,SQL as it's relatively low-powered (think Raspberry Pi kinda specs)
I've read enough to know rolling your own anything is To be Avoided
that includes things like overflows - buffers, stacks, heap, and integer - but also inappropriate flags, handshakes (see e.g. SYN attack), and so on.
@Polynomial Did you see what I edited out?
13:07
@JohnU hahahaha, "clever like PHP" - lolwaaat?
@JohnU okay, so perhaps not so bad as all that - but if there is any custom networking, or hooking, or whatever, make sure you take a close look at that.
Yeah, I know... I just mean anything serious running server-side, as it doesn't have the computrons to spare for the usual stuff one might do to secure a server
@JohnU so what you mean is, there is no support for dynamic / generic applications, and all the application code is pretty much hard-coded?
Doesn't matter, most of the web attacks would still exist.
Securing the web interface will be a bundle of joy, the example s/w that comes with the dev kit uses a really nasty ActiveX object which pretends to be secure but just does HTTP auth, it's naaasty
Heck, I've found some classic web vectors in firmware.
@JohnU Told you to watch out for Dave
13:11
@AviD - we can modify the source, run a different server (lighttpd for example), we could build PHP or .cgi's etc. but it's got to be very lightweight compared to what you could throw around on a full-fat system.
@LucasKauffman - any particular Dave?
Perhaps a starting point is how we work out the resilience of what we've got - if the base OS is secure, if the server stands up to abuse, etc., any advice on the basic toolkit for trying to break it so we can fix it?
@Polynomial US censorship is a complicated subject.
@JohnU and @Lucas - this one?
@RoryAlsop Ah, I have two different Daves here
In relation to our system, there will inevitably be a certain degree of responsibility on the end user to secure their network, or the part that their security system uses (for obvious reasons) so hopefully we don't have to defend against the entire internet. Having said that, I realise that doesn't really change or reduce the job at hand.
13:49
Who here likes Databases? ohiouniversityjobs.com/postings/5147
@ScottPack don't you also need to ask who likes Ohio? ;-P
@RoryAlsop This town is an oddity that doesn't even feel like Ohio.
@ScottPack hahaha - you also have a job title: Associate Athletic Director of Compliance
I don't even
@RoryAlsop There are certainly some interesting job titles.
I understand that there exists job titles that exceed 64 characters.
I wonder if I could add 'athletic' to my compliance line in my bio...
13:56
Associate Assistant to the Deputy Director of Athletic Compliancy
Not in the Department of Redundancy Department?
@ScottPack ahaha
@ScottPack interesting...how does that work, exactly
14:00
@RoryAlsop I see what you did there.
14:11
@LucasKauffman - well aware that homebrew is generally a bad idea
14:29
Argh. You know this is gonna be a nasty password cycle when it takes you five tries to type the new one right twice in a row.
@Iszi ooh - badness
type? password? why would you type a password?
Passwords are stupid.
@AviD So's your face.
@AviD one of my banks use the whole '3rd character 8th character etc' protocol. so...for me its a real pain to have a random password for that one. in that particular case i use a 'typable' password. its the only one i do use though...
14:41
I'm sure it's just because I'm the author of the original question here, but I'm a bit disappointed nobody else noticed this exact duplicate.
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Q: Why is it necessary to match the checksum of a download with another file provided by the same server?

BenoitOn many servers providing files for download, there is a file on which checksums are provided for each download. Example1 Example2 I understand that these checksums can be provided in order to check that the download succeeded (file not corrupt). File downloads over HTTP or FTP are quite reliabl...

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Q: Does hashing a file from an unsigned website give a false sense of security?

IsziConsider this. Many websites with software downloads also make available MD5 or SHA1 hashes, for users to verify the integrity of the downloaded files. However, few of these sites actually use HTTPS encryption or digital signatures on the website itself. So, if you're downloading a file from w...

@Iszi looks like your original covers off the new question, so I'm tempted to close as dupe
any other votes?
@RoryAlsop The OP first accepted my answer, then de-accepted it. Let it burn !
@ThomasPornin hahahahaha
done
wonder why it was de-accepted. Yours and AJ's were the same, basically, but yours used more terminology - maybe that was it
Clearly that @ThomasPornin guy is just making up words to sound smart. How good could he really be with a name like that? I mean, it has porn in it.
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@ScottPack Didn't you mean to say it has Pornin it?
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14:56
@ScottPack Everything that has porn is automatically better.
Everybody loves bacon, right? Now imagine: Bacon Porn.
@AviD Rule 34
@AviD Put Kevin in front of that, and I'll pass.
@AviD It's too early to imagine that. :/
@RoryAlsop didnt lady gaga do something with that...?
@AviD women screaming: "I want you to put bacon in my mouth"?
14:58
@LucasKauffman I think he's envisioning a bacon bikini that gets eaten off her body.
@LucasKauffman hahahahahahahaha - What?
@Iszi baconkini
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This conversation has taken a very weird turn.
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@RoryAlsop Now that's a way to make the world better with bacon.
@TerryChia For this room? You really think so?
@Iszi Point taken. Far weirder things has been said in here.
@TerryChia we covered topic #1 and the old #3 (before it morphed into rory)
15:00
@Iszi yeah, I was gonna say.
@RoryAlsop Hrm... what kind of body shot would go good with a baconkini?
@Iszi tequila slammers
@TerryChia @ScottPack as owner of this room, I think you should change the room's subtitle to this.
@RoryAlsop So what you're telling me is that now we have to talk about the implications to confidentiality of drinking a rum&coke with Rory in a baconkini?
@Iszi coffee liquor. Breakfast.
15:02
@ScottPack that entirely depends on your punctuation
or Screwdrivers.
@ScottPack AAAARRRRGHGHHHH!!! MY EYES!!!!
Why must you propose such a mental image?
drinking a rum&coke with Rory, in a bikini - or drinking a rum&coke, with Rory in a bikini
@RoryAlsop Grammar. It matters.
Bitch.
15:02
@RoryAlsop We leave placement of commas as an exercise to the reader.
@AviD - any tips? Decided I'm going to use this to motivate me to get a tad fitter over the summer
especially electroshock therapy!
anybody here an expert in mercurial?
@LucasKauffman lol
@RoryAlsop I guess if @ScottPack is gonna have us envisioning you in a baconkini, you may as well get in shape for it, eh?
15:04
@Iszi a 6 pack.....of BACON!
I want to take a single changeset from one repo, and apply it to a completely different repo. shouldnt be possible, I wanna do it anyway.
@AviD not I
@RoryAlsop I prefer a 6 pack AND bacon
@AviD That's what people who can't manage git use, rigth?
@ScottPack heh. Yo momma is a git.
15:05
@LucasKauffman well, the wife is a Zumba instructor, so currently she has the six pack, and I get the bacon....
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How does one do productive C# coding with this room open in a browser tab?...
@AviD Considering I just spent a week with my family I'm not commenting.
@RoryAlsop that... is incredibly crude.
@TerryChia One does not simply....
@TerryChia Sounds like a query for Programmers.
15:05
@AviD it wasn't.....but now it is
@Iszi been asked.
@Iszi Or Personal Productivity.
@AviD Would that bacon be kosher?
@ScottPack heh, you'd have to ask Rory. Or his wife.
@TerryChia I'm happy to see it over on Productivity - I'm a pro tem over there ya know :-)
15:06
@RoryAlsop modwhore!
wow, this is going downhill. Conversation change, please?
@ScottPack --- @AviD, you said I was crude.... :-)
@TerryChia mebbe
Oh - can everyone have a quick look at this Cyber Security questionnaire:
@RoryAlsop It asks for my username and password, so no.
@RoryAlsop submitted
@Iszi Same here. Is that some kind of phishing attack ?
@RoryAlsop "To view this discussion, join the group"
This is very spam-looking, mind you
Will it ask for my credit card number next ?
15:13
@RoryAlsop I hate that word.
@AviD Which one ? "questionnaire" or "quick" ?
The worst part he's not replying.
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"everyone"
"look"
"this"
@RoryAlsop And that's exactly why you like me. :)
@RoryAlsop So I have to join a group in order to fill out your questionnaire?
@ScottPack I don't buy it.
I think @RoryAlsop got Firesheeped.
15:17
@AviD Hrm. Maybe if we let SEI know, they'll actually do something about it finally. I mean, he is a mod/pro-tem on a few sites. So, the compromise wouldn't be entirely insignificant.
How bad would that look, though? Mod on Sec.SE, of all SE sites, is the one to get Firesheeped.
@Iszi targeted!
by @RoryMcCune's wife!
anyone ever been to prague?
naaah, she wouldnt mess with the Zumba sixpack....
@AviD Sorry. You brought females back into the topic and all I can think about again is baconkinis.
hehehe
15:20
@lynks I was, in 1997
@ThomasPornin i have a couple of spare days there, any hints on what to spend them doing?
Beer was good and very cheap (if you accepted to go 100m away from the central tourist-magnet plazza)
Btw offtopics - @RoryAlsop @ScottPack @Iszi and any other parental unit in the room - an ode to us.
@AviD offtopics would presume we have a topic. It's been awhile, I think.
@Iszi referring to the 4 topics that have been defined....
15:22
@lynks I was on a scientific congress so I did not get to do much tourism, but I saw the Jewish cemetery (which is supposed to be famous)
@lynks Yes, 2005ish
Still no response from @RoryAlsop on his phishing attack. Mildly bothersome.
@lynks Look at pretty buildings, enjoy tasty beer, maybe a dance club or two.
@lynks find where they sell baconkinis.
@AviD You can probably get some knitted ones on Etsy.
15:30
@Iszi ahh - it probably works if you are linked in - hang on - will get you a separate URL
@Iszi was busy filling in a questionnaire
@RoryAlsop That's just the thing. Visited LinkedIn separately, and I was already signed in.
@lynks yep - I love it
meh - it does look like it requires you to be in a linkedIn security group - sorry, that was invisible to me.
FYI: Don't do a google images search for 'baconkini' if you work in an open office floor plan or moderated network.
@RoryAlsop Which group?
@ScottPack so it does exist - excellent
@ScottPack Damn. Now I'm gonna have to do that soon as I get off the VPN.
15:33
@ScottPack Also avoid "Maine Zumba"
@JeffFerland Un momento por favor
@JeffFerland Why would anyone wanna Zumba in Maine? Now, Miami...
Besides, I think the Zumba we're interested in right now is across the pond.
@JeffFerland Maine: Keeping it classy since 2012.
@ScottPack trying to see whether I can get them to give me a link which doesn't require any group membership
@RoryAlsop If it's not a lame group I may just join anyway.
Nevermind, I just noticed that it's the 'Pompous Recruitment' group.
15:36
well, the questionnaire itself is from the UK's Cyber Security Challenge team, but I got the link through Proprius Recruitment group (I know, but they seem to understand the industry so they are on my shortlist of 3 recruiters)
@JeffFerland Well, that just ruined my morning.
@JeffFerland Don't forget, '==' is the numeric equality operator.
@ScottPack I dread to think - but will check later, obviously
@RoryAlsop I just jogged face first into a brick wall on ze tvitters.
15:39
@ScottPack Yeah, I know. Hence in perl '7' == 7, but '7' == 7 doesn't work in python, which brings me back to my type casting comment.
@JeffFerland Fucking python.
@ScottPack hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaha <deep breath> hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
I'm waiting for this to happen.
@ThomasPornin I'm going to go with questionnaire. There are other uses of quick that are good, but most questionnaires...
waaaaaaah
@ScottPack where is that?
ahh thanks for all the prague stuff :P looks like a great place
@Sadaluk I'm pretty sure that's not what she said... ever.
@lynks I remember my first visit in 1990 on a random drive from Munich (was planning on going to Amsterdam with mates for the weekend but saw a sign for Prague and thought - beer)
I spent just over a fiver the entire weekend
and had steak and champagne most meals
took t'wife there for an anniversary a few years ago and it wasn't much more expensive
you can walk most of the interesting places, so don't need a car
@RoryAlsop hehe, reminds me of northern china. i read somewhere that most drugs are legal, including things like cocaine. not my thing, but is that true??
@lynks in Prague - honestly don't know. Didn't see any, but saw lots of alcohol
and bumped into a few people I knew, which was odd
15:46
@RoryAlsop yeah, the one 'safety' guide i read was mostly about not provoking drunk people
@lynks I'm very difficult to provoke
which pretty much applies...anywhere in the world...
@RoryAlsop You know, I'm not sure I've ever seen a drunk Scotsman. Or, at least, I've never seen a Scotsman that I could single out as being drunk rather than sober.
@ScottPack that website, is going into my sametime gifs
@LucasKauffman there should be a bulk importer
15:48
@LucasKauffman sametime?
@ScottPack haha
@ScottPack Don't you mean the other way around? You've never seen a Scotsman that you could single out as being sober, rather than drunk?
@ScottPack IM made by IBM/Lotus
part of Notes
@RoryAlsop So do you also use Staroffice?
Dammit, I have entered the Dual Boot Hell. Must reboot... again.
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@ScottPack At work I have to use MS office and Lotus Notes. At home I use Open Office (or whatever it is called this week - Libre?)
@RoryAlsop How's that working out for you? Last I used OpenOffice (I remember the product - not just the site - being called OpenOffice.org) it still had some compatibility issues with MS.
@Iszi surely you mean MS has compatibility issues with all other office products (including itself)
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@RoryAlsop Writer seems fine to me, but Calc always leaves me wanting more. Really the only times I ever use Excel is when I want to format as table and use the magic filters.
@RoryAlsop The first of which doesn't exist, that I can find, and the second sucks.
works really well actually - I have less problems writing slides in Open Office then exporting as PPT than I do in MS
@RoryAlsop Yeah, that.
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@RoryAlsop Usual problems are with font sizes. Transfer the slides from Office to OpenOffice or back, and boom, font sizes have changed, text no longer fits and line breaks appear in weird places.
@ThomasPornin but that happens even when I copy and paste a para from one place to another within the same document in MS
so I try to do everything in Open, and only export to doc or docx if I have to
I'd like to ask a question regarding the first step of file carving: data preservation and a byte-by byte transfer. Other than making an .iso I'm not familiar with other techniques or approaches that might be used. Does this sound like a suitable question? I don't want it to sound like I'm looking for tools or haven't done any initial research. Most things I've come across on the web are extremely high level and not very helpful if I want to practice/actually learn.
@KDEx Depending on exactly what you ask it might end up feeling too broad, but the topic you're interested in is certainly right for us!
I'd say go ahead and write it up and post. If it feels wonky we can work on tightening it up.
@KDEx the tool of choice could be dd :-)
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