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21:03
anyone for another chorus of the attackers are winning..? krebsonsecurity.com/2013/01/…
Blame it on cyber terrorists.
@Sadaluk I blame the ice trappers.
@AviD Well, the listener hears the future, so he really should have known about it in advance.
okay, what book is that from?
21:11
never heard of it.
read the german translation ~10 years back
@AviD Unfortunately any choice of characters I would pick would likely be unheard of unless you read a lot of fantasy type stuff.
I google your nicks
I dunno, it makes me think of that xkcd (or was it smbc?) about the ratio of words invented for a fantasy book.
wouldn't have recognized your previous one, even though I read the subtle knife
21:13
@Sadaluk I dont, anymore.
mostly read technical / professional books.
closest I get to fantasy is PHP Security.
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@CodesInChaos Yeah. Not sure why it stuck but being a god-destroying kitchen utensil was quite appealing.
admittedly, that one is waaaay out there, but not quite the same.
My long standing name Ninefingers is this guy: firstlaw.wikia.com/wiki/Logen_Ninefingers
(Spoiler alert, btw)
didn't get to reading that one yet
malazan is next on my list. Should keep me busy for some time^^
@Sadaluk heh, that's from a fantasy book too? Just assumed you were a slow typist.
Or something equally inane.
21:16
@CodesInChaos It's really, really good. Probably better than the series my current name comes from, because it has a dark edge to the humour. It's fantasy that is sort of mocking fantasy, yet it tells a story too.
@AviD Yep. It was what I was reading when I signed up to StackOverflow and it just sort of stuck.
last fantasy book I read was Sword of Truth, and I actually enjoyed that.
"actually" cuz usually I dont go for the fantasy.
though I am hoping to read game of thrones, since the amazingly awesome show.
Well, I read a few genres (not including maths textbooks and computer stuff), but the names in fantasy are always awesome.
Does GoT count as fantasy...?
@AviD That's a long series (something like 7 books and not yet finished) and is much more complicated than the TV series (probably, not seen it) but it is awesome)
@Sadaluk yeah, I heard.
21:19
@AviD Yes, the author is trying to write a 12-book something-epic as I understand it.
thats always the case, theres a limit to how much you can get in in a show.
For SoT the author insists that it is NOT fantasy XD
@CodesInChaos oh please, that one definitely is.
tbf the SoT show (pretty good too) also cut a hell of a lot from the books (obviously), but you still get almost all of the story as is.
Ran out of motivation for ASOIAF somewhere in feast for crows
They did change a bunch though, but still good.
@CodesInChaos here's a spoiler: EVERYBODY DIES.
21:22
@CodesInChaos Yeah, I fully understand that. I've not read the latest book yet. I'm waiting for the author to finish them all, otherwise I'm sort of afraid he might not get round to it. If he doesn't, I won't bother finishing them.
That and I think I might need to take notes so I can remember everything next time.
Oh and need to read memory of light soon too.
oho, book added to my goodreads list!
Maybes I'll rename myself to one of its characters, if they are sufficiently badass.
Slogging the the middle of wheel of time was a bit hard though
@CodesInChaos A couple of weeks ago I started back at the beginning. I wanted to, at least, remember all the garbage when I got to the end.
@CodesInChaos I had forgotten just how much better a writer Sanderson is.
I really wish he had taken over a long time ago.
hehe. Good luck with 8-10
21:30
@CodesInChaos Not a whole lot happens, no.
Pages and pages and pages and pages of Nynaeve or Perrin whining for no goddamn good reason.
you forgot elayne
@Sadaluk Who are you on goodreads?
@CodesInChaos Can't remember, gimme a sec. I think I might actually be myself!
While I like hobb's farseers/fool trilogies, I couldn't get through liveships
21:42
@CodesInChaos Really? I loved those. I think the story there was a bit off the side to the main story, but it was still good.
don't remember why, but something annoyed be in the first book
Y'know being a deranged ship might be fun for a while...
never did get the fascination with fantasy books.
sure, it frees the author up to create anything he wants, and sometimes the result is amazing, but usually its more focused on creating yet another make believe world.
fantasy works good for books when it fades into the background, and you dont really need to know too much about the fantasy world, and lets an amazing story play out in front.
@AviD I generally find fantasy can be split into two types: one, where everything is kinda like the lord of the rings except for some slight changes and two, where the author tried to do something radically different/awesome.
...not really followed much fantasy since I was a child. I maybe only have a couple of hundred fantasy novels, compared with a few thousand sci-fi (although a lot of the sci-fi could count as fantasy too, I guess)
21:49
Personally I love authors who build a consistent but slightly different world
and a consistent magic system
@CodesInChaos exactly. I think thats part of what makes GoT so great - the world itself is not important, its just the stage, and its not a whole new laws of physics and etc.
for the most part.
@CodesInChaos this is where I see sci-fi authors do it better. Niven/Pournelle, Hamilton, Banks...
Tried to watch GoT but I lasted about 20 minutes before switching off in disgust
@RoryAlsop was it because of all the boobs?
no - that would have kept me watching
heh, right, because boobs.
21:51
@AviD I heard boobs. What?
@RoryAlsop you need to be more persistent then
apparently if I had seen episode 1 rather than hearing about it at ep 2, it would have actually made some sense
@RoryAlsop ah, possibly.
it just seemed to be a bunch of unconnected random nonsense...and no boobs
the story is incredibly thick, so if you jump in the middle you might have missed a lot.
21:52
no plot I could find
One problem with fantasy is that while it works great in books, it's rather hard to do well when creating films
and poor acting
there are a lot of interconnected storylines, much like any political court.
@CodesInChaos see LoTR, Avatar and the Hobbit as examples
the books were so much better
@RoryAlsop actually thought the acting was pretty decent, considering.
21:52
And LoTR is one of the better done fantasy movies
@RoryAlsop to be fair, avatar HAD NO STORY.
by far!
it was just an excuse for fancy CGI.
@AviD I think books like that are the better sort. It's ok to do some creating and it helps to be consistent (cause that generally gives you a better story) but you can't sacrifice on telling a tale.
@AviD correct
21:53
Also, I like my characters to be human (in the sense of flawed) as opposed to godlike (in the sense of gandalf)
avatar was shit, I enjoyed the technology behind it and all the nice effects and thinking about how massive the server farms had to be to render that stuff
@LucasKauffman the only bit I liked was the floaty spores in the forest
but then I have to say I have disliked ALL 3D movies so far
3D ruins it for me
@Sadaluk just seemed to me that many fantasy authors get more caught up in creating a huge, incredibly rich, very arbitrary world, and use the story as an excuse (if that).
@AviD I think some do. Not all though.
@RoryAlsop you should go see Jaws....
21:55
I think it's a rather common flaw for fantasy authors to not build a consistent world
@AviD I liked the original...a bit...it was good for when it was made
The problem with Avatar was that within about 10 minutes I knew exactly what the plot was going to be.
maybe thats why I never really got too much into fantasy (as compared to scifi, like @RoryAlsop) - was unlucky in those that I did read
@Sadaluk the same as all those other stories - yep!
@RoryAlsop thats the one I'm talking about. My mother still tells me about the time...
If i'm not mistaken, Jaws was the first 3d movie to play in theaters.
21:56
@CodesInChaos is also right, @AviD, when the authors are inconsistent i.e. person is dying blah blah blah then all of a sudden this newfangled previously undescribed power appears to them that makes no sense whatsoever enables them to save themselves, that ruins books.
@Sadaluk wait, there was a plot??
@AviD As far as horror films goes, my top two are still The Shining and Alien - proper scary. None of this modern nonsense which isn't scary, just a bit gory
@Sadaluk yep
@Sadaluk deus ex machina...
Often it's the reverse. If you'd use the abilityies/objects you'd have you'd be so IMBA
but everybody is too stupid
@CodesInChaos IMBA?
21:58
@RoryAlsop alien is one of the gory!
gamer speak for overpowered
@RoryAlsop It and Pet Semetary
@AviD really? I don't see it as gory - possibly excluding the wee chestburster scene
@CodesInChaos I Must Be Awesome?
@AviD Yeah. It was very similar to the one in Pocahontas.
@RoryAlsop yeah, that.
actually not a fan of horror flics.
21:59
@AviD ah - it was a very short scene :-)
I like proper horror, but they don't make em any more
long enough.
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Bad capitalist goes to new world, doesn't care about nature. Good guys do.
@AviD that's what she said
hehehe, how did I miss that?
@AviD long day?
:-)
22:00
@RoryAlsop heh, actually incredibly short. Between kids' teacher meetings (2, sorta) and finding and patching house leaks, not got much done today.
@AviD that's good in corporate land, less good in contracting...
having our 2nd or 3rd (maybe 4th) heavy rain of the season, discovering all the places that need patching...
On thing I find sad about scifi.SE is how many questions are about a few big series I don't care about, and how few about those I'm interested in
@AviD hahahahahaha - we're having our 3rd heavy rain of the year (and by that I mean 2013)
mostly from windows that need sealant, a couple of loose rafters (I think?), and one possible actual ceiling leak.
@RoryAlsop 3rd? in 2013? What do you live under a waterfall?
22:03
@AviD pretty much - THIS IS SCOTLAND!
Beat me to it.
we've been getting several days of heavy rain, then sunny for a couple weeks...
In Scotland, it always rains.
@Sadaluk no, sometimes we get sleet
Unless it is snowing.
22:04
@RoryAlsop hehe. But Mel Gibson was always gallavanting around on sunny hilltops!
Except that one time.
lol
I even learned to ski in heavy rain
up Aonach Mhor
@RoryAlsop Oh ok I'll give you that.
@RoryAlsop enough with the fantasy book names!
@RoryAlsop up Yhour Aonach!
@AviD it's our biggest skiing mountain - next to Ben Nevis (or Beinn Nibheis)
@RoryAlsop Clearly photoshopped that picture. Look at those clear skies!
22:08
@Sadaluk hahahahahahahaha
I'm going to put a first easy challenge try out for the CTF, I can do a write up after it
@Sadaluk Actually took this from the top in August:
@RoryAlsop oh wow, thats gorgeous.
@RoryAlsop its funny, everybody is always shocked when there is heavy rain here. Flooding everywhere.
@RoryAlsop Can I ask, why is there a giant lizard in the sky? (That's a pretty good shot. I've had some good walks/climbs in Scotland, truth be told)
22:10
@Sadaluk that is a good shadow isn't it
Streets too, but not just - big mall had to close down for a couple days, the bottom floor was mid-thigh deep in water.
Check out the practical hiking gear my kids had on that day
@LucasKauffman So is it going to be a basic thing to try to decide who gets on the team then?
@RoryAlsop heh, your girls would probably go mountain climbing in heels.
@LucasKauffman I am trying to find out from Securi-Tay what the CTF deal is there
22:12
@RoryAlsop is that your famous Hamish?
@Sadaluk well yes and no, just put something up so people can try something really really really basic
@LucasKauffman oo, qualifying round, not a bad idea.
@LucasKauffman Ah, that sounds quite good actually.
I think I solved in less than half an hour including script writing
@AviD nah - no heels on those two. They have decent rock boots for proper climbing - that day was just an accidental visit. We were driving past and it was nice so we went up :-)
@AviD yup
lookie - pretty Scotland
and one more before I need to go and have coffee:
22:18
@RoryAlsop Where's that? Pretty sure I was there once
Scottish high lands
It is the natural habitat of the @Rory
@CodesInChaos Eilean Donan Castle, Loch Duich
Was taken on the drive back down from Skye, where the pointier picture was taken. Closely followed by the Aonach Mhor one later in the day
I feel like I visited every single castle in all of britain
@CodesInChaos for a bet?
we didn't actually visit Eilan Donan - just drove past
I think we only drove past that one
No bet, my parent's just bought some kind of british heritage flatrate
and then we visited every castle we came across
22:25
excellent
@RoryAlsop were you at the talisker brewery?
wait, isnt skye an island? how do you drive?
@AviD horses
@LucasKauffman lol
Smash the stack is down, which sucks because I want the level one of blowfish
22:28
see, that's my point - why bother with creating a crazy fantasy world, when it already exists just north of England?
modern technology @AviD - bridges
@RoryAlsop ohhh. Sorry. Didnt think they had those over there :D
I think the locals didn't want that one, but it makes it much easier to go camping/climbing/swimming/visiting the Talisker distillery...
Oh we visited some Scottish whiskey brewery. The whole valley reeked of it.
@CodesInChaos I grew up 400 yards from one - good times!
22:29
@CodesInChaos valley? The whole damn country reeks of it! :DD
hehehe, just kiding @rory's - I've never been, but I would love to get the chance to go.
some friends and I were discussing a while back - renting a van and touring all the distilleries, sleeping in all the castles...
logistics were a bit complicated.
@AviD well, you should if you can
is good
wetter than Israel - a bit
heh
well, sure - Israel is borderline desert country.
France is borderline dessert country.
@AviD that made t'wife snort :-)
right cheese and biscuits time - AFK for a bit
heh
everyone is moving from france to russia
can't blame em though
22:34
prefer vodka to wine?
I think the prefer 13% taxes vs 75% :p
@LucasKauffman daaaang, 75%? is that income tax?
even worse than here.
Sounds like alcohol tax
:P
@AviD yea 75 for everything of over 1 million earnings a year
1 mill eu? not knocking the tax, but its a fair amount to begin with.
22:37
It's actually good for our economy because the top guy at LMVH is planning to get a Belgian passport and move some of their production to belgium
22:50
Oh no. Since when did we have a memes thread on meta?
Eurgh.
23:02
Heh

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