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1:22 PM
Mornin' all
 
1:33 PM
@Iszi Morning
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Q: Why did my banana catch fire in the microwave?

yossarianWow, that sounds like a silly question, but really! My wife froze bananas in the freezer with the peel still on. You can't peel them frozen. I put it in the microwave for one minute at 50% power. After 30 seconds the thin end of the peel (where a bunch connect to each other) was on fire, with a v...

 
@packs Umm... wow.
And 31 upvotes?
 
Hey man, have you ever tried to clean up dried banana?
 
No, but geez... who ever knew fruit could be so volatile?
 
That shit puts concrete to shame!
I think understanding the process that results in it's explosion is definitely worth knowing if only to avoid regularly replacing appliances.
You guys probably already subscribe, but this might be worth looking at. It has some good high level advice.
 
1:53 PM
@packs Actually, that's one I was not aware of. I know a bit about SANS in that they exist and are a security-oriented organization, but didn't know they had a blog. Guess there's another one to add to my "Morning Coffee"
 
SANS has some good resources and good training (if you're willing to trade a few first borns), but I really like the ISC side.
 
2:24 PM
Perhaps this question should be a bit elementary for our community, but it's something I'm still not educated on - so I'm throwing it out here. Please let me know if it's worth posting an actual question:
How can the TOCTTOU vulnerability in Windows best be mitigated?
Example (albeit one that in a perfect world shouldn't be in practice): An end-user is temporarily given Administrator rights in order to install software for their job. The user is then removed from the Administrators group, but re-adds themselves to it before logging off. How could this be prevented?
 
2:42 PM
I could see how that might be called subjective by some, due to the phrase "best be mitigated".
But I think it's worth asking. If anyone wants to complain about it, we can deal with it then :)
 
@packs Will change to just "be mitigated" then.
 
@Iszi Works for me
I wonder if I've had to deal with that yet. Hmmm
Our windows guy is next door, so I usually punt those questions over there.
 
Just got an interesting response from MSFT on this question: stackoverflow.com/questions/957388/…
Wanted to share with this group, but chat seems like the best way
until we can actually move questions here
 
@makerofthings7 A mod can migrate a question to any site
The devs just wanted to leave the vote-to-close migration list to be the top 4 sites (plus meta) in order to keep the page from being too cluttered.
 
2:57 PM
I see...
 
@makerofthings7 Instead of vote to close, flag it for moderator attention and leave them a note that it should be moved. They'll review it and move if appropriate.
@packs Posted. Thanks.
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Q: How can TOCTTOU vulnerabilities within the Windows OS be mitigated?

IsziWhat are some ways to mitigate the time-of-check-to-time-of-use issues that apply to Windows permissions? Example: End-user is added to the local Administrators group in order to install software, printers, etc. The user's account is removed from the Administrators group while the user is logg...

 
@Iszi Hopefully review it :)
@Iszi Is there a particular CVE or MS announcement about that?
 
@packs Not really. Call it anecdotal, from personal experience.
If there is, I'm not aware of it.
 
Heh, whoops. I just actually read your question.
Disregard what I said earlier
 
3:47 PM
@Iszi I think that I like AviD's response. You can also run into all kinds of awesomeness with inheritance as well.
I.e., at one place there was a service account that was designated strictly as a 'Domain User' so that it could be used for testing.
After one test threw us for a loop, we discovered that it was a Domain Admin through 10 layers of group nesting.
 
@packs I don't disagree with his response at all, but it doesn't address the question.
 
I think, your best bet is to trigger a force log out when admin privs are removed.
But then his answer comes into play and renders the privs removal moot :)
 
@packs Again, not at all disagreeing with his answer but this is for an environment where I'm sure that it will be quicker/easier to address the TOCTTOU issue than it is to address the Admin rights issue - although the latter definitely should (and hopefully will) be addressed as well.
And, I was hoping to address the overall TOCTTOU issue (as in, I'm pretty sure Admin rights aren't the only thing affected by this) instead of just this one specific case.
 
You need some way of forcibly refreshing the account's environment
I don't know if Windows offers any such mechanism, though.
 
4:42 PM
@Iszi I'm a bit dubious about your new "current-events" tag. First, I don't think the Egypt question needs it - I expect the question and responses to be written so they are valid for a long time, rather than being some sort of breaking news story. But beyond that do we really want to encourage "current-events" questions, and tag and un-tag them as the situation changes?
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Q: What lessons about Denial of Service can we learn from Egypt's "experiment"?

nealmcbInternet service was widely disrupted in Egypt starting Jan 27th, in the space of about 20 minutes: How Egypt Killed the Internet As described at On the ground amid Egyptians' protests It disrupted much more than browsing and messaging: The handful of bellhops working at the Sheraton Hotel...

 
5:02 PM
Yeah, it feels like anything tagged [current-events] is a prime candidate for closing as Too Localized
 
5:14 PM
Odd - I see a starred link to a sans story by @packs from a few minutes ago, but I don't see it here in the chat stream.
Ahh - after refreshing the screen I see it was 3 hours ago, and the part of the url I searched for is visible in the starred comment but not in the chat stream (part of the "..."). So when do timestamps on the "starred" list get updated?
 
5:29 PM
Yeah, it rather got cut off for seemingly no good reason
 
5:43 PM
@nealmcb Yeah, I wasn't sure if it was something we'd keep in the end but I thought I'd throw it out there.
I was hoping to find a label that would tag something as being based on a real-life high-profile incident though.
 
6:32 PM
Just thought of this. Had to share.
The Romans must have been horrible at algebra. Consider the following.
Solve for x: x=sqrt(vx*xxx/xviii)
 
Or they were spectacularly awesome at algebra
 
@packs I love that idea
hello all
 
@RoryAlsop Howdee Do
 
not so bad - miserable winter weather outside, which I'm going to have to venture out in in a couple of hours for band practice, so I'm happy it's toasty warm here in my office
 
Any civilization that excelled at engineering as did the Romans, and whose mathematical system was largely indistinguishable from their alphabet must be pretty stinking good at the math bits.
@RoryAlsop Nicer weather than what I've got
 
7:15 PM
@RoryAlsop You pretty much answered what I was going to tell that guy about the changing passwords.
I was just waiting for a clarification first. Damn you!
 
@packs - sorry :-(
 
And you're getting rather lovely weather. Unfair all around, I say.
:)
 
It's horrible outside - hail, sleet, roads still covered in salt/grit, expecting more snow
meh
 
This winter's been all around nasty. We got more snow in December than we normally get all season, and it's been pretty steady otherwise. ICk.
 
 
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8:24 PM
Bah... no useful answers to my TOCTTOU question.
No offense to @AviD or @GrahamLee - The answers provided have some good information, but it's not directly useful in terms of resolving the question posed.
 
@RoryAlsop - During the faq transition it looks like in the second sentence, superuser.com lost its hot link. Can you link it back to the site?
 
 
2 hours later…
10:32 PM
Heh... I just now realized I'd really screwed up the formula for my roman numerals joke!
There's no such thing as VX! VX = V!
'Twas supposed to be LX
 
 
1 hour later…
11:51 PM
And that, @Iszi, is why you'll never be nearly as competent an engineer as your average 12 year old Roman boy.
 

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