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00:03
@DavidFreitag can't say I enjoy that song, even the original ... they always seem to play it in clubs just as I start wondering what I'm doing there
@TildalWave Even with the banjo? C'mon
especially with the banjo ;)
we have rednecks and hillbillies here too you know? And I've seen Deliverance :)
and Hollywood making bow as a weapon more popular in recent years doesn't help at all LOL
@Gilles you around?
If you want to disable the command_not_found handler, don't mess with /usr (that can make subsequent upgrades fail or be undone by subsequent upgrades). Instead, change /etc/bash.bashrc. Or disable this in your own ~/.bashrc with unset -f command_not_found_handle. — Gilles Jul 4 '11 at 8:31
@Gilles re above, do I just add ~/.bashrc with the contents unset -f command_not_found_handle ?
@DavidFreitag yes
@Gilles Thanks!
Well, rather, just add unset -f command_not_found_handle to the bottom of my ~/.bashrc file
MEEEEEEH it looks like using ubuntu 10.04 is going to be more trouble than it's worth
All kinds of issues with python 2.7.3
@DavidFreitag ༼つಠ益ಠ༽つ ─=≡ΣO))
@silverpenguin /╲/\╭(ರωರೃ)╮/\╱\
00:16
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(^.^)
O(")(")O
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you just have a note pad full of these dont you
@silverpenguin I have another one for MathJax in SE chat, if you like that sort of thing
00:18
I have always wanted to create things people wana use
but im so bad at ideas like tht
:<
I also have an extension that allows you to search the warframe wiki
That one is my big money maker
80% of traffic from russians
Makes me a cool $7/mo
you so wealthy
me love you long time
give me ideas :<
i wana make things
and hack things i want to conquer the damn world
so little time so many desires
I had a necessity so I made an extension
It's as simple as that
i end up just giving up because its stressful to think about xD
Find something you wish exists and make it so
00:21
crickets
thats my brain
Yeah, here's the thing that this thread is primarily for Information Security memes, not information security in general. You're also grossly misinterpreting the meme. — TildalWave 13 secs ago
I think this guy needs a bit of guidance, he seems keen on posting a lot of things everywhere, and most isn't any good
wheeee installing lubuntu for the 12th time today
11 answers on the main site, many downvoted, some "not an answer", and now he's found the meta where same problems seem to persist
good thing I'm a masochist, any sane person would have eaten a bullet by now
@TildalWave So ping someone with a blue name and forget about it
@DavidFreitag Why would I forget about it? It's not causing me psychological trauma :O
I'd go through his posts on the main site but I kinda don't feel like it now, I thought to mention it here and someone would like to do that
00:28
@TildalWave I meant more like let someone know and get on with whatever it was you were doing
that's exactly what I'm doing :P
I think Virtualbox 5.0.16 ate my lunch
it is 2 degrees in my bedroom
cold like my mothers heart
That's pretty cold.
Being so close to absolute zero, that is
i sleep in only the purist satin :< so i get pretty hot even when my room is so cold
00:35
I need active cooling otherwise I wake up a sweaty mess
My average core temp is quite high, it's usually like 38.5°C
same i cant actually sleep in a room when its over 16 degrees xD its a struggle
time for sleepies... im going to try and dream about super powers or zombies again :D i love them dreams
orr knowing my luck it will be some deep sub concious thought tht is going to mess me up for the night
GN!
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Q: What security features are important when buying a smartphone?

James BradburyI'm looking at replacing my very old android smartphone. Information security is increasingly a feature that I'm looking for. As well as being slow, I don't think I can upgrade my current handset to the latest android versions or even the latest version of the mobile security app I use, so almost...

Oh lawd
CHOO CHOO
 
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01:57
Announcement: I'll be joining the @ServoDev team at @mozilla in May! Really pumped to be able to devote more time to Servo!
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@ManishEarth whoa congrats!
really pumped up huh? :)
02:14
hah
@ManishEarth Oooh so paycheck?
well yeah
I'm already part of the "team" as a volunteer anyway
Congrats :>
02:21
thanks!
03:07
@Gilles what is your opinion of Buildroot versus Yocto? Which would you suggest for someone starting in embedded Linux development? Any notable benefits or downsides for either product? Please take this opportunity to talk my ear off when you get this, I'd love to pick your brain.
Hopefully I'm not asleep when you're ready to chat.
03:26
Is anyone here?
04:09
@DavidFreitag harlo
04:35
hello
04:52
@DavidFreitag Yeah, that's so fugged up
@MotokoKusanagi hi
05:14
0
Q: What Level of Personal Security is Practical?

Motoko KusanagiI don't claim to be very learned with regard to computer security and network security. I do however, harbor some possibly unusual fears of operating insecure computer systems. I operate a simple router attached to a cable modem. I have a few computers I play around with. With that in mind, wha...

way too broad for here, but otherwise, in its broad sense a very, very interesting question that I don't believe anyone has ever answered in any satisfying way
I mean the "how much security is enough security" one
or maybe it's just me because I love risk management topics
Mike Spaulding touched on this subject a bit during his Bsides Indy talk but from corporate software security perspective and those graphs just seem to be drawn exponential by feeling / opinion more than a function extrapolated based on actual statistics youtube.com/…
Hey, who's this @schroeder guy and how does he have almost as much rep as me? :P
he does?
wow there's some new busy bees on the top users page
05:33
Well, I had my glory days... :)
Back many jobs ago when I enjoyed not running around and watching my job turn into being a technical recruiter.
yeah stop being such a hipster and take a bit of time to save the world too
@JeffFerland Hi
I'm the hiring manager
add me on linked in
:28199130 don't trust that gravatar of his, in real life he's not wearing anything below his waist :)
well, the mother nature costume...
05:39
d:
yeah, that's right, we know you recruiter hipsters! busted :D
stalks @Jeff
it's so interviewees don't have to imagine us naked
@JeffFerland hates me
goes back to his corner to cry
Old Town, eh? I lived in Portland until about 4 years ago.
05:42
@JeffFerland Yup, shit place.
I lived on the rez
Funniest thing for me is when somebody applies to this and this send me a resume that's oil production...

https://jobs.lever.co/tubularlabs/70cbd6fb-1547-4b47-a012-5b1751ccebfa?lever-source=Tubular_Website
Like... I know you didn't read that... it has nothing to do with the part of your resume that says you want to work on an oceanic drilling rig.
Haha
<= full stack
I'm a bit of a jack of all trades
@JeffFerland it's the series of tubes, how's that not the same thing? :O
@TildalWave I shot you a pm to explain d:
@MarkBuffalo that's OK I get it ;)
05:50
lmfao
@JeffFerland howdy :)
@JeffFerland and my mod stats have surpassed yours ;)
Mine look like I died this month
I was at RSA and on vacation since the beginning of the month :)
<----- dedicated mod
@schroeder How was RSA? I really wanted to be there!
@MarkBuffalo based on one of his previous posts here, I think they established that he's certifiable
05:58
@TildalWave Who?
@MarkBuffalo @schroeder :)
ah no damn that wasn't him?
who was bragging with some newly acquired certificate then?
Not sure, but if you mean certifiably nuts, it might be @HerringboneCat
And I love that :>
no new certs for me
@MarkBuffalo awesome
I got more out of it than most ppl
man it's been a while since I've installed linux on hardware
@MarkBuffalo hahaha
06:02
@schroeder That's good.
lol, this laptop only has like a 30 minute battery
@schroeder man I just saw you were in a road/car accident ... is everyone OK?
got commitments from 4 CEOs for my second book, got connected with ISACA insiders to get on the meetings for the CSX program, and met just about everyone at Rapid7
LinkedIn is turning into one big buzzfeed clickbait feed crap
@TildalWave everyone is fine - car is a sad turtle
06:03
and so many people I know are sharing tons of memes
@schroeder Nice! Did you do any talks while you were at RSA or just peddling your wares?
@schroeder That is awesome, man
@DavidFreitag I peddled Rapid7's wares
@schroeder ah good, car is just a thing, it can be replaced
@schroeder That the new job?
06:04
@DavidFreitag nope
but hoping .....
with HD gone, they have a hole to fill
@schroeder HD?
@MarkBuffalo HD Moore - creator of Metasploit
he just left Rapid7 to be a VC
or so he says
What does Rapid7 do again? My memory is crap
06:06
Viet Cong? :O
Metasploit, Nexpose, AppSpider, UserInsight, plus professional services
@TildalWave lol
the best talk I went to was actually a side presentation from a PhD candidate presenting on her thesis
What was the topic?
there was a side room with students and posters of their theses
her thesis was on using Public Health data models as a model for modern data classifications for all organizations
cool stuff
06:08
neat
I like data
we want to co-author a paper together on an application of her models on Cloud data
oooh neato, I always wanted someone to model Butt data
Hm, I bet you actually said "Cloud" that makes more sense. I like my version better though.
but it has implications on how data can be shared between services, including the government
data, as free as the Internet
06:11
Yeah except somehow the gov't will find a way to fuck something up
They never fail to
but anonymous and private at the same time
@DavidFreitag you substitute "cloud" with "butt" - I substitute "gov't" with "people" - there is no gov't - there is only people :)
@schroeder Yeah well the gov't just happens to be a collection of people who fuck things up more often than usual
Ok the novelty of live TV has worn off and the repetitive ads are just getting annoying.
06:42
@schroeder it's the synergy between your two substitution schemes that worries me :)
@TildalWave what the hell does synergy even mean?
according to Wiki The creation of a whole that is greater than the simple sum of its parts.
07:28
Wow comcast set my tv box to restart at 2:30 am on Fridays. How inconsiderate.
Why? That's on the night between Thursday and Friday
wait today is friday... right?
Saturday
technically
OK, but then they set it to reboot on 2:30 am on Saturdays
07:37
yes that
as in 8 minutes ago
does it take long?
I'll let you know when it's finished
geez yes that's long then
Yeah this whole "X1 entertainment system" is total crap
There's a lenovo laptop on sale for $700 down from $1100, but I literally have no justification for buying it
 
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11:17
@DavidFreitag I thought you couldn't afford to eat
11:29
"the X1 Entertainment Operating System™"
11:42
looks like its just me and you @kalina raises eyebrows
@TildalWave do you sleep?
hello ;)
for every person actively chatting in the DMZ, there's 3 more people raising eyebrows about it
@silverpenguin nope :P
joking, I slept yesterday a bit
and it's weekend, I'll probably just doze off whenever I feel like it
its impossible to sleep in my house... my hyper sensitivty means im kept awake by even the smallest sounds :'(
with me it's not even any external noise LOL
11:47
you just snore and keep your self awake?
well, not unless I let one go :))
@silverpenguin hahaha cute, didn't think of that
haa i once was sleeping in a room full of people... I let one go and woke a few people up.... never tried to hard to pretend i was asleep in my life
who did that
zzzz zzzz zzzz
yeah some were trying to pretend like that in the military ... not much point really to be too bothered by flatulence if you're training for the shit hitting the fan tho
@DavidFreitag that's going to be quick: I have no experience with either.
I work on a proprietary OS, not on embedded Linux.
12:47
@MarkBuffalo sure
13:13
@TildalWave yes, clearly I wasn't still here :p
13:30
@SEJPM What do you think about a post about trying to detect NSA supply chain interdiction?
@MarkBuffalo WTF is that?
@SEJPM NSA intercepts your shipments, and plants bugs in it, and then sends it to you
It's not just the NSA that does it... the Chinese do it in the U.S. too
@MarkBuffalo sounds like a fun question
yeah, ok. give me a few minutes to see if I can find something. if so, we can do it
"Can I notice whether my trusted hardware has been altered on its way from the factory to me?"
13:32
yeah, something like that
ah, here we go
should I focus on network stuff (only) and the like or should I also include smartcards and certified hardware?
not just networks... hard drives, etc
trying to find something
13:49
@MarkBuffalo, the question is ready to be posted
I made it "general", didn't restrict it to postally delivered HW
the bonus question this time is: "does the situation change with FIPS 140-2 certified hardware?"
I can't answer this right now
@MarkBuffalo ok, ping me when you're ready, I'll save the question in a word document
14:27
yeah, I don't think I want to cover this
I got a bad feeling about this
@MarkBuffalo so a different question?
I duno :(
I think I'm gonna peace out for a bit
14:45
my office smells like poor life choices
@silverpenguin made by you?
@SEJPM yes ... its like a mixture of old KFC and subway...some salty tears also
oh and im pretty sure there is some old chinese food in here somewhere also
but i have not found the remains yet
sounds like you ordering system may be suboptimal
my office is destroyed... i was ill last week so lived off fast food... and also im changing up my server HDDs ... so i had to take apart 13 SAS drives... so many fucking screws man
and cases
1 and half grand of sas drives destroyed T___T every second killed me
15:34
That's disgusting, man.
I keep a clean desk at work
You could be making other people sick...
@MarkBuffalo my own personal office not work office xD im actually a clean person... just not when im sick... cleaning my office at mo
@MarkBuffalo isn't that a security policy?
so all of those SAS drives are personal
i like my 2xquad core xeons with 32gbs of ram MWAHAHAHA
WTF, you own(ed) 13 SAS drives for personal use!?
15:43
yes
that's like 50TB isn't it?
lol nah low GB
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Q: How does a clean desk policy provide security benefits?

yzTI'm starting to study for Security+ using Darril Gibson's book. I took the pre-exam and one of the questions is “What is the most important security benefit of a clean desk policy?” The choices are: Prevent illnesses due to viruses and bacteria Presents a positive image to customers Ensures se...

total at about 1TB of sas
@silverpenguin 100GB / drive?
15:46
yea
I just used it for VMs
and those Xeons are pre-Nehalem?
@SEJPM Aye i beleive so
its about 6 maybe 7 years old now
it spent about a year being a hardcore minecraft server
@silverpenguin are those Xeon E5s?
if yes, then they may be Nehalems
@SEJPM :P i cant remember, currently collecting dust
@SEJPM Also when you do as much work as i do at my office... its very hard to keep a clean desk... VERY hard.. not dirty... but like paper, screws, hardware etc everywhere
the app devs have it easy... they just program shit
16:17
clean corridor policy + locked doors
16:40
@SEJPM Yup
 
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18:29
on live chat with support for my ISP
why cant they just let me in the building and il fix it
these chumps cant do anything
18:46
I wonder how much money would be lost of the internet went down world wide for 5 minutes
19:26
@silverpenguin at least billions
@SEJPM ponders
If I'm reading figures correctly, there is more than one trillion USD capital flow per year
so surely ... we would need to take that figure... and devided it by the amount of minutes in a year and times it by 5 to get a good estimate
3.5 bn USD on a single day in april :O
(bottom right chart)
19:31
sry, replace billions with trillions
isnt a trillion 1million billions?
nah
thts dumb
yea u right
3.5 tril
e_e
@silverpenguin 1 trillion = 10^12 = 1 thousand billions = 1 million millions
@SEJPM I googled it T_T i realise this now..its not a number i often deal with
sometimes i deal with 100s or 1000s
xD
20:01
I was going to say we'd have a slight uptick in productivity from people not browsing Reddit for a few minutes, but really, we'd all just be mashing F5 until things started working again
@etherealflux nah the google chrome dinosaur game will save us
20:30
hm, I was trying to diagnose a slow wireless connection on my home Windows server
so I decided to try disconnecting and reconnecting the wifi
..remotely
@etherealflux clever
I am vry smrt
well, perhaps it had a dormant cyber pathogen on it, and I just saved the cyberspace from digital extremists
20:48
What would be a good first program to write if one were to delve in to information security. I've done a bit of shell scripting already but I was thinking maybe something involving python network programming?
21:10
build a network scanner or something? :P
21:37
hmm, python isn't so hard to learn
this is too easy
21:49
build a network scanner with powerpoint
22:05
@MarkBuffalo yeah it's trivial
this is next-level hand-holding right here
All I need to do is roll my face across the keyboard, and get as many keys as I can on the faceroll, and I'll produce usable code
most programming languages (at least those that weren't intentionally built to be obnoxious for code golfing purposes) don't really require much "learning" any more, it's perfectly possible to just dive straight in and learn to swim before you drown, as long as you have fair foundation
22:36
@MattClendenen Well I stalked you a bit and see you've answered on aircrack-ng and friends, so how about using pypcap to dump packets from a wireless interface in promiscuous mode? It's already done as part of the aircrack suite ofc, but, there's quite a bit to learn in there.
It really depends what you want to learn I guess.
23:24
@TildalWave yea, it seems like that. but python is next-level easy
it's the easiest thing I've ever seen
23:42
@diagprov I want to learn it all. What exactly is "dumping packets" I understand what they are but what sort of Intel could be gathered from that? I guess I'm asking what part of aircrack functionality would I be aiming to emulate?
@diagprov Looking for something that would be able to show that I've learned something about networking and python. I liked shell scripting but it's fucking ugly and I miss building functions. Shell scripting has functions but you know what I mean
man this CTF is slapping me like a bitch AGAIN i suck at this
@silverpenguin what are you stuck at?
I need to try those out sometime. Always nervous that I'll be clueless, hah
and brb inhaling food
23:58
@MarkBuffalo everything lol im terrible at this...
currently trying to buffer overflow something
i get the theory of bof.... very simple
but it seems the app handles the bof so tht doesnt matter now anyway

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